Andre really summed up the biggest issue with his truck with his comment about not wanting to roll the windows down and have dust get inside the beautiful cabin. Built for trails, but too nice and expensive to take on trails.

$104,000 for a truck! My God that is crazy

@DesertRox

6 ай бұрын

That was a house not to long ago!!!

@jayk.2276

6 ай бұрын

Right? I paid $130,000 more for my house 4 years ago in the suburbs.

@terrysoule8441

6 ай бұрын

That's 25% more than my first house

@G-Rated

6 ай бұрын

Have you seen the truck? Y’all make these comments and don’t even watch the reviews. Just go around to every high dollar vehicle you can’t afford to complain about pricing.

@jayk.2276

6 ай бұрын

@@G-Rated seeing the truck doesn’t make you feel better about how much it costs. It’s not always that someone can’t afford it, but rather feels like their hard earned $104,000 could be much better spent. Would you buy a $100 fast food cheeseburger just because you can afford it?

Those trucks look enormous off-road

@Antihero-4132

6 ай бұрын

Idk why we don't go smaller with better suspension and better turn ratio... these trucks are built to tow 😂😂

I own a ram, and that particular ram is super badass. But boy, is that GMC cool.

@JonBecker81

6 ай бұрын

I think I’d rather have the Ram. A. Cummins B. Looks better C. Does just as well if not better than the GMC thanks to how well that LSD works. Yeah the GMC is more comfortable and has better tech but you could get all that on the Ram if you wanted to fork out the money.

@G-Rated

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@JonBecker81You will not get it at the same quality that is of the GMC. Stellantis technology is not on par with *gm* and that’s no secret. Traction control is apart of that since these things are electronically controlled.

@JonBecker81

6 ай бұрын

@@G-Rated not that I could afford either one of them anyway.

That GMC AEV truck is a beast!.

@DJTAZ1996

6 ай бұрын

I said same thing. It took that trail like a boss

@Wicked_RotF30

6 ай бұрын

Until that section where it hit frame right? DODGE ACTUALLY COMPLETED THE COURSE...

@millertime8835

6 ай бұрын

​@@Wicked_RotF30only once. Dodge is junk

@thomaskunz8029

5 ай бұрын

Did you miss the part where it has bigger tires? lol@@Wicked_RotF30

@traciweisenbachCITB

3 ай бұрын

@@Wicked_RotF30NO IT ACTUALLY DIDNT SOOOOOO

AT4X HD... the name sounds Ultra Heavy Duty..what a beast. Love the tall front end. Awesome video TFL

Both are amazing vehicles, but if I had 100k to play with I'd go for the GMC. It's more comfortable, has better tech, and everything on it is factory warrantied

@brandonruhl1639

6 ай бұрын

You can get the same comfort and tech in a 2500 Rebel with a warranty and it’s cheaper.

@distant2near

3 ай бұрын

On gas models, AEV Prospectors have computer controlled features for suspension and load. They're so smooth and quiet, for having 37" mudders, my girl has no problem sleeping when we drive. You have to see for yourself...

I like case's logic. I too am 6 pack capable but don't come equipped with it.

If y’all haven’t tried it I’d recommend taking one of the front sway bar end links off for off-roading. I did it on my ram 2500 and it made a notable difference. It seriously improved the off-road comfort.

@TheHouseofTitan

6 ай бұрын

Same on my f350. Makes a huge difference

@GeorgeOrwell-tp8dw

6 ай бұрын

Or, make it fair and take power wagon, with electronic disconnects

@JogBird

5 ай бұрын

toyota has electronic sway bar discconnect

So glad you mentioned the horrible throttle control while crawling in the ram. It's literally one of the reasons I sold mine. They gotta fix that. I know the straight axle is supposed to be stronger too, but man that GM rides SO much better. Love the video!

@yeahboi355

6 ай бұрын

A tuner will allow you to change the throttle sensitivity. I can make it where full throttle is 5% of the power.

@BruceDragon-sf1tr

6 ай бұрын

It's junk, every Dodge/Fiat is trash bro🤷‍♂️

Drove a Chevrolet 2500HD ZR2 with the Duramax. Amazing! But huge! Been a while since I've driven a HD truck.

Crazy prices! The GMC is gorgeous and to me, the Ram looks the same as it did 10yrs ago.🤷‍♂️

Wow the GMC is beautiful beast.

The AT4X for sure!!! What a truck!

That GMC is a beast. Great looking, powerful monster! My pick, easily.

In a quarter million dollar battle to the death!!!

I'd love to see an off road test of the 1/2 ton GMC Sierra with the X31 package and the 3.0 Duramax over that same terrain.

@DEATHx27

6 ай бұрын

I just bought one of those and I'd love to see them test it off road.

The power wagon by ram has a front locker…that alone makes it better. I’m a gm fan and not having a front locker on the gm for the price is a downer for sure.

The GMC has a ton of cameras, plus it has rear lockers. The interiors are about equal. In other words, put 37s on the GMC.

Great job guys keep it up 👍

2:13 The "six pack abs" bit is as funny as y'all have ever been!😂

You can technically buy the AEV Ram from the factory new also. Just have to buy from an authorized AEV Ram dealer.

@distant2near

3 ай бұрын

They are made every other year, the Chevy and dodge models. And it's the only way to get the AEV Badges on your truck.

The power wagon don’t care

REALLY wish SOMEBODY would offer their off road set up with an 8ft BED. You know, some people like to go off road AND actually work for a living, ie, would like to carry a piece of plywood from time to time. 😳

The Ram's rear LSD is really impressive, I thought it was a locker at first. Far better than the G80.

@donleamon8653

6 ай бұрын

Helical LSD’s are pretty smooth, even the Power Wagon comes with it and ELD.

@freedomisntfree_44

6 ай бұрын

The g80 is garbage

@Tiovergudo

6 ай бұрын

Good thing the GM didnt have a G80 and had a proper locker rear end

@donhappel9566

6 ай бұрын

@@freedomisntfree_44 Spoken like a man who ones one! (yeah...me too. I put it in the 'better than nothing' class)

@fishinguns4975

6 ай бұрын

GM should have put a helical LSD in the front of the AT4X and ZR2. Can’t believe they didn’t do that…

You can walk into several Dodge/Ram Dealerships and get a Prospector XL that has the 3/36,000 factory warranty that is locked f/r, metal bumpers and 40” tires.

@dcl97

6 ай бұрын

Those are Ram dealers who are also AEV dealers. The warranty is also through AEV and if you read the fine print is not nearly as comprehensive as a true factory warranty. No loaners, no roadside assistance, no payment deferrals, while it's getting repaired, it's not transferable. If their parts cause damage to a factory component they won't cover that either. This GMC has a full actual factory warranty that covers everything a normal new vehicle warranty does.

@RDS4x4

6 ай бұрын

@@dcl97 Hi there, the GMC/AEV and/or RAM/AEV if done through the GMC or RAM dealerships still have the factory GMC and/or RAM warranty. It works the same for both. For both, AEV accessories are included on the window's sticker and insured as a whole (very expensive) insurance.

@donhappel9566

6 ай бұрын

@@dcl97 Given how pathetic the factory warranty was on my 2022 Silverado 1500, it's hard to imaging it being worse! only 36K miles (hit that in a year); no loaners; etc. Aside from the overall 'eh...they all do that' mentality of GM dealers.

@jonathancole6124

6 ай бұрын

My gm dealer gives me a lifetime warranty on powertrain on the at4x hd aev duramax!!!

Excellent comparo, thnx guys

Just bought the 2024 GMC AT4 crew diesel loaded.. You get what you pay for and this truck is awesome. The cameras and the towing is the best! 32’ fifth wheel feels like nothing on the back!! No complaints at all

So the AT4X doesn’t come with a front locker on the 3/4 ton and you only get it on the 1/2 ton?

Looking forward to this one, thanks!

Great video!

As someone that does a lot of mountain hikes and has to rock crawl trails to get there. I can tell you there is no way in hell I’d take a heavy duty truck up a trail. So damn big I’d lose the paint on both sides of the truck. Even half ton trucks are getting too big

@rockie307

6 ай бұрын

With the mirrors folded in there the same width as a half ton. I didn't believe the specs at first but it's true I measured my f150 and super duty same width. Trucks are definitely getting bigger but my superduty is narrower then chevy toyota and ram 1/2 tons. The long wheel base and height make it tough sometimes but doable. Definitely don't get a heavy duty truck if your not carrying weight though when empty they ride rougher add weight and they smooth out.

@aevnate4140

6 ай бұрын

There is an AEV Bison Colorado that would do the job!

@tyb3938

6 ай бұрын

No doubt, our jeeps loose paint, my 3/4 ton, would loose more than paint. We use the 3/4 ton to tow Airstream 3-5 miles off pavement and set basecamp. It would be nice on long trips to leave the jeep at home and at least be able to slowly get fairly far back, but definitely not all the way we get the jeeps. At4x will shortly replace our 9 year old denali, as soon as recession has dealerships willing to negotiate a little

Now let's see that gm vs the power wagon vs the tremor superduty

Both impressive rigs.

That GMC is a beautiful truck. If I had it, I would never take it offroad. 😂

Great comparison!

Is it really a better off-road truck than one that has selectable front and rear lockers on solid axles, sway-bar disconnect, bead lock capable wheels, 12k winch, and off road suspension. Standard.

@brandedmcgowan9414

5 ай бұрын

Power wagon 💪🏿 of course or a Rubicon from Jeep

What do I think? I think if you are going OR on a frequent basis and or want to, these are not suited for that. They can get off the trail, that is for sure. They are capable to go places you would not want to daily these, but that does not make them ideal for it. That's what I think.

Im ordering the AT4X HD AEV duramax!!!! All black.

The GMC appeared to do this trail both easier and smoother than the Ram. Not sure what the metal pinging noises were coming from the Ram but it didn't sound very reassuring. Very impressed with the AT4X HD overall, just wish it wasn't so dang expensive.

@sostrucking

6 ай бұрын

They should have both been AEV upgrades not just one. I would hope the extra money would make it go through the course easier.

@MrNismopro

6 ай бұрын

There were more noises coming from the GMC, in fact Andre made the reference “Titanic noises” coming from the GMC. He also mentioned that the GMC was very tippy. Having solid axles on the RAM makes off roading much more reassuring. IFS on the GMC is more better on road manners. I felt that the RAM did leaps better overall off road.

@MZZHZZWZZ

6 ай бұрын

@@MrNismopro I would rather have a slight body groan at full articulation than the Rams metal pinging noise that literally sounded like something was breaking every time it was on a bind. Never once did the GMC look like it was in any danger of tipping. Anyone that watches TFL knows that Andre is a bit dramatic.😏It's a given that solid axles are more at home in the rocks, but pretty much everyone else including SXS's and desert race trucks are using IFS for everything else. Despite having smaller tires and less lift the GMC still made smooth easy work of this course.

Could you slap a GoPro under the front for offroad stuff and watch it on your phone via the app if your vehicle doesn't have a front camera?

Really nice video. GMC Sierra super nice. Ram getting old in the tooth

Love the context. I prefer the Tremor stock even though the GMC looks better..or like I have a F250 with a Carli 3" level and 37 12.5 20's.. Excellent articulation with the Carli springs and their shocks. Rides more like my GMC 1500.

That Ram is such a great truck and in hind sight, it was a great deal!

@WW-wf8tu

6 ай бұрын

Frankly, surprised they still have it. Perhaps this is the beginning of the end of its ownership. Been awhile since they put it in a video.

@AkioWasRight

6 ай бұрын

@@WW-wf8tu It serves other purposes off-camera.

The RAM looks and drives 10 years old in comparison. Damn GMC knocked the Sierra HD out of the park! 🔥

4:48 multimatic started with the 2015 Chevy Camaro Z28. I believe that is the first vehicle consumer oriented vehicle that GM released. After that the prior gen Colorado ZR2 got it then the 6th gen Camaro ZL1 1LE. Then the new gen stuff that we have today are starting to get them now.

@is6566

6 ай бұрын

Correct.

@scorpionsting47

6 ай бұрын

@@is6566 almost. *2014.

AEV trucks are amazing! And for anyone who should find themselves buying one, remember this. If you're gonna drop $100K, spend just a little bit more and make sure to get the Sway Bar Release and the upgraded rock crawler feature they swap your Hill Decent switch out for. You get to control your crawl in 4-wheel low with a toggle switch on the shifter by .03mph increments. No gunning the engine or falling quick in holes. Just a smooth crawl. I love driving my 2016 Prospector. I really do. 😊

Good to know some good components on a non AEV Silverado could obtain nearly the same result.

Take a power wagon through there😎

@pnwdweler4100

6 ай бұрын

Diesel to diesel comparison.

I don’t understand why there’s so much hype about getting off-road packages from the factory. They’re expensive from the factory. You can get much better aftermarket parts after you purchase the truck. And you get to really pick what you want.

@aevnate4140

6 ай бұрын

This is a good example of both options. The Ram was built with aftermarket parts, where as the GM was built from the factory. Some people don't want to pick and choose they want a truck that is ready to go.

@NoVaRedacted

6 ай бұрын

It’s all about warranty stuff

Bring back the days of affordable working man’s off roaders.

@KJV0812

5 ай бұрын

Will never happen because people keeping buying these trucks (somehow)

Can you put 37”s on the GMC, will they fit without rubbing?

Hopefully Ram watches this and takes notes on how to have a winch and a diesel on an off roader…. Cough!!power wagon and HD rebel…

@distant2near

3 ай бұрын

AEV also makes the 3500 HD Cummings Diesel rock crawler along with the 2500 and Rebel. That is one Hell of a truck.

I feel like the AEV Cummins would be a like for like comparison. As they’re both AEV built and you can buy both from a dealer.

I just saw on AEV’s website they are still doing rams

@jonathancole6124

6 ай бұрын

Not with a factory warranty!

I bought the AT4 in January’24 and I love it

@solomonecclesia5253

Ай бұрын

Just bought the AT4 in March. I love it as well.

You know….. I grew up doing what these guys demonstrated on my families cattle and sheep ranch in the mountains of New Mexico. The main difference is we did the same in 1960’s Fords, Chevys, International, Dodge and Toyota trucks…. Most of our vehicles didn’t have AC so we kept the windows down work the rifles in the rear view window. Dust dust dust and more dust. We literally would hose out the entire inside staying clear of the fabric seat. I’d go with the GMC just because I love the look.

i like the gmc but prices are insane

Can you get front and rear locking differential in a 3500 Denali

Both trucks look amazing and perform well on the track considering their size, but factory mods should not be a comp to consider since you can also get a Ram AEV Prospector on 37s from factory. It would be nice to compare a GMC HD AEV vs a RAM HD AEV to see how torque and original equipment compare under same articulation and flex components; just an idea for future videos.

@donhappel9566

6 ай бұрын

Pretty sure you can get the Prospecter XL on 40s right from the dealer via AEV. Not exactly "factory" but factory supported and full warranty. Somebody will double check me on that I'm sure.

@RDS4x4

6 ай бұрын

@@donhappel9566 Yes you can, I'm waiting for mine; a 23' 3500 Limited 6.7L Cummins HO Prospector XL on 40s.

@donhappel9566

6 ай бұрын

@@RDS4x4 Certainly not a "bargain" truck, but very nice indeed.

I could watch the rear suspension camera view for the whole video. I love watching the springs, sway bar and all that stuff do it’s thing going over that terrain. What’s that pinging sound at around 11:11 ? I heard it several times on the ram. Is that the LSD? Doesn’t sound very good.

@yeahboi355

6 ай бұрын

That sound it the tread on the rocks

@JonBecker81

6 ай бұрын

@@yeahboi355 it sounded really metallic.

That dodge would have better throttle control if it was regeared for them bigger tires.

104k? What? It better massage my front side as well for that price!😮

What is happening with the UAZ Bukhanka series ?

Yall should have went with a Carli Suspension 3.25” Back Country Kit with Carli Eventure shocks.

@Combatinho

6 ай бұрын

No EVenture yet for Ram that i know of.

That really is a Massive Diff Andre... 😂

No front locker?

I wish AEV made bumpers for my F150. Their bumpers are smooth and look OEM, which I like, as opposed to jagged corners and welds.

I like the GMC but as far as best factory HD off road truck it’s hard to beat power wagon factory front and rear lockers, solid axles, and winch…. I don’t think either of these could go anywhere near as many places stock for stock.

@MS-mr4zm

6 ай бұрын

Huh? The power wagon is down on power big time & has 33” tires how you expect it to outperform this thing?!?

For off-road driving you MUST air down for comfort and for better grip....but it does decrease the diff.clearance

Apples to oranges but the Ram is very impressive. The HD Ram Rebel would be a better comparison.

@phild9813

6 ай бұрын

I don’t think they are that far apart. More like comparing apples to crabapples.

@R32vdubb

6 ай бұрын

Compare it to the RAM AEV PROSPECTOR XL, apples to apples

AEV also has a factory warranty with Ram. The AEV Ram XL is much more capable and has drive train and power steering upgrades. It would have been nice to have this addressed at the beginning of the video. I would love to see the pit two TRUE AEV trucks head to head.

I like the Dodge and its solid front axle. $104k for the GMC no thanks, that should get me a Peterbilt.

You guys need to air down in Rock crawling situations to make for a smoother ride and more grip

@zacateco5010

5 ай бұрын

Agreed hundred percent

I probably missed the build / overview of the Ram video. But it's nice to see a vehicle that was bought and built. Which I could see a lot of people doing, in order not spend so much up front. It would be cool to see TFL add 37's to the AT4X or (do similar 35's to the 1500) to see a before and after. I was surprised how well the Rams limited slip did. The G80 takes way too much more effort. Lastly, with your wide presence now, can you all start complaining about vehicle prices? Their obviously not listening to consumers.

The issue is the AEV package is only offered on the 2500. Those AEV bumpers weigh 350lbs which reduces the payload. Chevy should have offered the AEV on the 3500 which has more payload.

“Im six pack abs capable” im dead hahaha

Take some air out of the tires ride would greatly improve and traction.

Why wouldn't you run the 3 factory trucks against each other?

I’d love to come back on the show and demonstrate to what a moderately breathed on Ram can do.

2:19 did you just Yada Yada solid front axles??!!

In the full size HD segment, how much of a difference does IFS vs Solid axle really make?

@donleamon8653

6 ай бұрын

Depends on your use of the truck, just like most decisions. Are you pulling a 5th wheel down the highway 90% of the time, or are you plowing snow in the winter, working in the oil fields, at job sites in remote spots, run many miles of graded (washboard) dirt roads? IFS is much less forgiving of abuse.

@blank0fff

6 ай бұрын

GM has a few shortfalls in the ifs for sure… but there is a reason off road race trucks, Raptors and TRX’s use ifs. Kryptonite has some nice stuff to strengthen the GM ifs if you have one. Just sayin’

@AkioWasRight

6 ай бұрын

If most of your time is spent bashing over things, then solid front is much more durable. If you spend of your time at high speed, like on the highway or even just high-speed dirt roads, then independent front is generally much more durable. Also, in the case of GM, it's not just IFS, it's a torsion bar IFS. If wish to add a small lift, an advantage to that type IFS is the relative simplicity of the torsion key, making it easy to add slight lift or leveling. To do the same with a SFA would require many more parts and adjustments to make everything work correctly. However, if anything beyond that, there are way more modification and upgrade possibilities with SFA. If you are a serious off-roader and you want to go all out on the front suspension so you can have the capability and durability for very rough terrain, the SFA is absolutely superior.

@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806

6 ай бұрын

@@donleamon8653 Solid axle trucks can get death wobble.

A great driver with 35's can often do more than a novice on 37's.

They used to market remote license plate or rear of a vehicle cameras before it was common from the factory. Why not mount one on the front of your Ram?

These giants did well. I'm a Polaris or CanAm off road guy cus that's what I can afford.

I was planning on buying a new power wagon but I think I'm sold on the at4x HD aev

These trucks are super expensive, large, heavy, tall. Terrible off-roaders but let’s be real we all would still get one because they look cool and we could maybe handle floods/blizzards better than the average car. And you know what sometimes that’s reason enough.

Great looking trucks but why can't you get a full size truck with just a single or extended cab with the same off road packages? I don't understand the benefit of having a massive crew cab as the only configuration, which is really long, off road? That said this is still a mouth watering video lol! I really like the new guys style and approach to presenting. Congrats on his continues success!

@GooberLoofer420

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, at best you can get the 4x4 off road package on the Ram’s with a regular cab, you’re really limited on interior options though. That being said, you really don’t need most of that stuff the basic 4x4 comes with the same LSD their Ram has

@shmac96

6 ай бұрын

That's good to know. I haven't played around with Rams configurator for some time.@@GooberLoofer420

Do you really need Fox Shocks or Multimatic shocks if you are just going up mountain roads and rocks? I just like tire size and torque and transmission/gears.

@kamakazioverland4584

6 ай бұрын

Shocks make a huge difference in comfort. Buddy has a Colorado on a 6 inch Rough Country lift with their shocks. I have a 4 inch BDS lift on my ZR2 that keeps the Multimatics. The Multimatics aren’t the greatest at low speed stuff but my buddy with his Rough Country shocks gets tossed around like a red headed step child. His truck rides like shit on road and it’s absolutely heinous off road.

@markspence3750

6 ай бұрын

I have a feeling the reason the Rough Country shocked Colorado your friend has is because it's a dang 6 inch lift! LOL That is a HUGE lift no matter what the truck is. Is he riding on 40's? In my opinion, anything more than a 2 inch lift is probably too much for any truck/SUV. The lift needs to be just barely enough to fit the tires. Your thoughts? @@kamakazioverland4584

I love that GMC

You guys went with the wrong suspension system… BDS is trash. Thuren or Carli are the only two names I would use for a RAM HD. Carli probably has the better ride quality but Thuren owns it in the down travel numbers, most down travel of any RAM HD aftermarket suspension. I have a full Thuren build on my 19 Power Wagon, ride quality in the rocks is great and it takes a lot to get a wheel off the ground.

@Jay-me7gw

6 ай бұрын

I just commented that the flex on the rams rear axle over the razor rocks looked pretty underwhelming. Im pretty sure my F150 with some cheap Bilstein 5100’s has more travel. And the front seems like it didnt have much uptravel as they didnt even seem to be able to get the 37” tires near the fenders. I wonder if it rides poorly because its on the bump stops a lot.

@jamesngotts

6 ай бұрын

@@Jay-me7gw yes, because BDS doesn’t address the things that actually add flex/travel with their system. It’s simply a for looks lift package that maintains towing numbers but adds zero off road travel. In fact it’s actually detrimental to performance because it lifts the trucks center of gravity but adds no down travel to maintain stability

I’d get a Carli suspension or AEV on the RAM over a BDS

You should have put a Carli suspension on that RAM. You wouldn't even spill your coffee. My 21 RAM MegaCab costs way less than that GM AT4 even with the top of the line Carli suspension I installed. Buy a baseline truck and spend your $ on the suspension, tires, and 17 or 18 inch wheels.

@omardevonlittle3817

6 ай бұрын

whatta you into the truck for? sounds like a unit

@TJY2K

6 ай бұрын

I tried telling them before they installed the bds system. Carli is the best way to go.

@donhappel9566

6 ай бұрын

@@TJY2K I'm not a Cari fan; I just assume they are another desert-y company and not much of a crawler company, but given just the name BDS (literally the PC version of Big D!ck Suspension) I have to assume they are crap.

@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601

6 ай бұрын

​@@donhappel9566than you assume wrong...bds is one of the top aftermarket suspension companys. And bds stands for "better designed suspension"

@captainm7155

6 ай бұрын

I had Carli on my 2011 Ram 2500 with the Cummins. I am once again looking for a 3/4 ton truck, and it will definitely have a Carli system. They make very quality suspension systems.

Should’ve done Carli suspension on the ram

@smjakober

6 ай бұрын

agreed

RAM LSD is way better than the GM G80.

😂 Ram dealers offer the AEV Prospector Power Wagon with 37's or 40's with warranty.

HD AT4X alone is 98k but yes i would choose this over a TRX for the capability. AT4X AEV would be a vacation cabin 😅😢

Do a towing test a fifth wheel for both!

DSSV partnership started in the Camaro Z28

Trucks are crazy priced . I have trx and people use to say that's that's way too much for a truck but as you can see their all crazy money now