Very polite, detailed, and thorough description of exactly how and why the apologist is either misleading or wrong. Dishonest is a 3rd possibility, but Josh is far too nice to ever suggest that.

@martifingers

25 күн бұрын

I agree. I don't think deliberate dishonesty is really the issue. My working hypothesis is that apologists simply have so much invested in the subject that a critical reading is (or would be) emotionally disturbing.

@brianbucher1313

21 күн бұрын

Christian apologists have the honesty of a used car salesman

This is why examining a person's CV is so important. Josh is far too nice to do it publicly, but I'm not. This is PRECISELY what you should expect from a professor who teaches at Biola University - not to mention getting her masters and PhD from openly evangelical institutions. No one should be surprised.

@clearskybluewaters

25 күн бұрын

lets cut to the chase Mr Pat when are you releasing a video? its time to stop playing around

@discoveringancienthistoryw5246

24 күн бұрын

As soon as the summer excavation season is over, I'll be putting out a few videos on my channel. I promise. 😉

@LittleBitVic

23 күн бұрын

I'm beginning to suspect Biola University is just here to teach apologetics... My parents were baffled by my distrust of accredited religious universities during my college application process -- accreditation is always good, they thought -- but I wanted to be an Evolutionary Biology/Genetics researcher, and I was determined to get the leading edge of Biology education. Even in 2015, I saw the war fundamentalist evangelicals intended to wage against science deemed sacrilegious. I attended public school under the Texas State Board of Education, after all.

Im not sure how this woman cannot see her own intellectual dishonesty.

@daltonadams4672

21 күн бұрын

She is following Martin Luthers' advice that it's acceptable to lie for the religion.

@LM-jz9vh

18 күн бұрын

She's an apologist. I've yet to come across one who is honest.

I must have missed that passage in the Bible that said, "Thou shalt excuse and explain away all problematic words of this holy text."

she says ''I think servants is a better term for it than slaves'' well I bet she does, since she has engaged in the intellectual dishonest practice of severity softening common amongst anyone who's trying to justify an immoral act.

My biggest problem with these guys is that we've outlawed indentured servitude and debt slavery, because those practices are also morally repugnant. But the ancient Israelites also had chattel slavery and daughters were sold as property for money to be used by men and the book says that was ok.

I don't have as much of a problem with the Bible depiciting and endorsing slavery and genocide, I'm sure that the same and much much worse was happening all over the world at the time (and since) and I don't use the Bible as my moral framework, as I do with the desperate tap dance Bible apologists do to try and pretend that we're not seeing what we're seeing.

I still don't understand her argument. god didn't want them to commit genocide just erase them from history is still genocide

26:20 "If Dr.Imes would like to discuss with me" If she does agree to discuss with you, I will eat my hat 😂

YHWH: "Leave none alive" .... Her: "I mean, it's reaaaallllly about objects" Um... uh... She is in real-time lowering the value she places on people in the command. Just because you interpret a focus of objects doesn't diminish the value of the people ALSO commanded to be destroyed. It's like saying, "Destroy my neighbors house! Burn it to the ground! una*ive the children, mother and pets! Destroy their toys, beds, kitchen!" If you think my point is the objects, I don't know how to help you.

@niddy-2.0

25 күн бұрын

Besides, wouldn't it be just as much a death sentence to remove people of all their assets, home and land? So much for the objects focus...

@utubepunk

24 күн бұрын

Her cognitive dissonance is palpable!

I’ve typically found Imes thoughtful, but oof, the sanitizing of these concepts found in scripture smacks of the comparative religions approach that privileged Israelite/Judaic/Christian religion in the Bible as better than their neighbors, which Dr. Bowen lays out well. It’s perfectly fine to allow the tensions within scripture to exist and not soften the more unsavory portions to make it more palatable to readers. AND, to say “this is problematic even if it was part of the socio-cultural practices of the time and should not be considered good or normative.”

@psicologamarcelacollado5863

23 күн бұрын

Yes, but not if god wrote it or inspired it to be written, right? I mean, god should know better, regardless of what every nation was doing back then in that region of the world.

@BrentJohnson-ki7jy

23 күн бұрын

@@psicologamarcelacollado5863 that is one option, however, this is a theological assumption that one brings to the text. How we understand divine revelation requires not only the character of God, but also the character of human beings. Human beings are naturally limited and products of their time and place, which impact the way they understand who God is, what God does, and what it means for God’s people. Divine revelation does not require that God supersede those realities.

Anyone who claims to know the Bible and defends the Bible’s view of slavery by only referring to the verses on inslaving fellow Israelites is dishonest and deceitful period

Her wording just got to me. "People died..." as if they just fell over of their own accord in these battles as described. It's just so bizarre, and she was consistent about it, so these wording choices seem intentional.

I think there is some merit to the idea that a degree of context is needed to explain how slavery in the Ancient Near East differed from the version most familiar with modern audiences, however it is just that context not an excuse. Slavery in the text truly isn’t the issue either, rather it is the insistence that the Bible should be the basis for modern morality. What I find most troubling is the legacy and continued impact of Christianity leads to excuse making, lying, downplaying ,and so on in an effort to reinforce modern power structures and ideologies. . That combined with the insistence that the Bible and what it contains must be viewed differently than other texts from antiquity in non devotional contexts leaves a bad taste in my mouth. No one is apologizing for Cato the Elder’s view of slaves or saying it is a model for how to run labor relations, yet that process is exactly what apologetics is doing for the relevant sections of the Bible.

They just keep throwing you soft balls, Dr. Josh!! 😂😂

@crawleyenterprises4532

25 күн бұрын

💯

@zach2980

25 күн бұрын

He’s batting 1000!

The claim that servanthood is a better translation than slavery needs to be examined. The necessary conditions for being a servant are the liberty to sell one's labour to whoever one chooses and to receive remuneration as a right. Neither of those conditions are satisfied by the regulations governing foreigners in this condition only in the most limited way, i.e. as six year contract paid by the forgiveness of debt, for Hebrews. To attempt to excuse this by saying the regulations forbid keeping someone by charging them excessive room and board stands the argument on its head. That condition is peonage and only applies to someone being paid and otherwise free to take their labour elsewhere.

@ThinkitThrough-kd4fn

24 күн бұрын

It's a trick to make it sound better to modern ears. Servanthood in the bible is essentially the same as slavery.

Whenever I see people try to separate the slavery in the bible from the slavery of the south. It strikes me as being very misinformed or underinformed. If you read through Albert Bledsoe's essay on liberty and slavery for example, you would see that the hard passages like leviticus 25:44 are exactly how the proslavery south defended slavery.

“Every marriage relationship in the ancient world involved the exchange of wealth between two families” is a nice way of saying “marriage in the ancient world was human trafficking where dads were more of a pimp to his daughter than he was an actual father and the book I use to get my morals from views marriage the exact same way”

I am struck by two main things watching your response. One, you do an excellent job clearly communicating your perspective and sources, and know the topic well Two, I have read and watched you way too much on this topic, because each time you played a clip of her, I had a pretty good idea where you were going with your response. As soon as she said 6 years, I immediately knew you were going to bring up Hammurabi’s 3 :) Keep up the good work!

@DigitalHammurabi

25 күн бұрын

Thank you so much!!!!

She must be living in an alternate reality.

Wow, that's a deceptive and dishonest apologetic. I'd almost expect it from a full time apologist lacking training in the field like a Turek or McDowell, but not an academic. The constant omission by apologists of the passage about taking slaves from the nation's around you while talking about the verses dealing with debt slavery as if they were all the Hebrew Bible has to say about slavery, is just maddening

@aralornwolf3140

24 күн бұрын

As a person above mentioned... she was educated at an openly evangelical university... like Biola. There is a very clear _bias_ involved in their education. They even _admit it._ I'll quote the university's website here: "The Articles of Faith, presented here as originally conceived by the founders of the organization, have been and continue to be the stated theological position of Biola University and are an essential part of the Articles of Incorporation of the university. Where “man” is used referring to the human race it includes both genders. Inasmuch as the university is interdenominational and yet theologically conservative, the Articles of Incorporation contain a doctrinal statement which is given below: The Bible, consisting of all the books of the Old and New Testaments, is the Word of God, a supernaturally given revelation from God Himself, concerning Himself, His being, nature, character, will and purposes; and concerning man, his nature, need and duty and destiny. The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are without error or misstatement in their moral and spiritual teaching and record of historical facts. They are without error or defect of any kind." There are several more paragraphs if you want to check for yourself... but I am sure you see why this "academic" institution is very good making excuses for their faith instead of conducting proper critical critique of their unholy texts. For if she did that... she would be _fired._

@ThinkitThrough-kd4fn

24 күн бұрын

@@aralornwolf3140 Anyone who signs on to a statement like that is NOT a scholar. That statement of faith is the opposite of how a scholar approaches ANY topic. It is anti-scholarship and deliberately so.

Thanks for sll you do, Dr. J. Hope all is well with you and your family. 🖖

Psychedelic Bow Tie Man! {:o:O:}

Yes, more response videos please (when you find the time).

@CaliforniaSurfer-gc2xv

25 күн бұрын

christendumb2 minshift do great shows christendumd2 woke me to THIS FING EVIL

I really didn’t expect much when she decided the NIV was going to be the best translated source.

Bravo! Excellent response. This is the type of presentation that can reach many. The tone of respect is so important. More of these, please!

Josh and Megan must have the most fascinating dinner conversations! Great stuff, as always.

excellent video...continue this type of videos.

2:05 She says reading the New Testament without the Old Testament is like walking into a movie 3/4 the way through. I think this is fair since the New Testament references the old. If she had said the opposite that would be a problem (reading the old testament without the new...)

❤❤❤ I appreciate this channel more than words can express.

Thank you.

Another great video! Thank you 🎉

While I doubt the widespread application of these laws in practice. It's plausible that slaves in ancient Israel were comparatively better off than in other Middle Eastern societies of the time. Historical records indicate that slaves in ancient Babylon, for instance, were subjected to severe punishments, including mutilation and execution. Babylonian literature, including myths and epics, often portrays the harsh treatment of slaves, reflecting the prevailing social attitudes of the era. Dr. Imes is correct in emphasizing the importance of understanding biblical laws within their historical and cultural context, a widely accepted principle in biblical scholarship. It's crucial to note that our modern conception of "harsh treatment" is challenging to apply to ancient contexts. For example, as recently as the 19th century in England, it was not uncommon for employers to beat their employees. The point about the debt not being added to under slavery is no small point; English employers could find their employees often for quite arbitrary reasons. These fines often represented a substantial portion of a worker's wages. Furthermore, Dr Imes accurately points out that Hebrew words like "even" and "amah" can have multiple meanings (slave, servant, subordinate) depending on the context. This linguistic nuance is vital for a comprehensive understanding of the texts. It's also important to consider the economic realities of the ancient world. In the absence of a welfare state, many individuals faced a stark choice between slavery and starvation. In this context, slavery often represented a transactional arrangement where individuals exchanged their labor for sustenance and shelter rather than simply forfeiting their freedom without compensation. In 1000 CE, almost 10% of the English population were slaves because of this point. While these points do not justify the institution of slavery in the bible, they may provide a necessary context.

hi pleas tell mw how i can learesn short texts sumerian ..like praying to sumerian gods .whre i can find this texts?

Someone asked my history teacher why robbery was punished more than manslaughter and she explained in a era where everyone has weapons upon themselves strife leading to honor murder is understandable as lesser to robbery, where the victim is often killed in the process. The killing part was understood as part of the robbery!

The problem is this woman is NOT a scholar even though she identifies as one. She is an anti-scholar. Her job is not to analyze texts to discover facts or truths. Her job is to help people feel better about the things they were taught to believe. She MUST arrive at a pre-ordained conclusion or be fired. Scholars do not work this way. She is an advocate engaged in a deceptive form of propaganda.

Damnit Dr. Josh, I missed the live broadcast! An interesting video to choose to respond to. A quick question. Is it your opinion and interpretation that the laws in Exodus 21:2-32 only applied to native Hebrews as is specified in the first few laws, but not specified in others. Like 20-21 and 26-27. Are these only native Hebrews debt slaves or all slaves? Doesn't seem to clear to me, but you seemed to think so here? And I'm sure Dr. Imes has already contacted you for that online discussion Josh....I look forward to it

Gee, Josh, maybe she leaves it out because it counters all the BS she was spouting.

When these apologist bring up the difference between biblical slavery and US chattel slavery, I wish someone would ask them if they would support biblical slavery being enacted in the US, or if the slavery we had in the US had been based on biblical law if it should have been abolished. I assume they would not support that. If that’s the case why? Is it that biblical slavery is still immoral even if it’s not as bad as US chattel slavery?

I wonder if there are any surviving extra Biblical documents that detail the treatment of slaves that was followed in those time.

Out of morbid curiosity, If an Israelite chose to go free and leave his wife and children behind how did society look at that man? Or if he stayed with his family did he get looked down for becoming a slave? Seems to me to be a lose-lose proposition.

An apologist being dishonest in defence of the faith?! I'm shocked... not really.

Wow, I wasn't expecting to see Dr. Josh respond to someone who taught at the college my parents met at. Even though she's clearly too young to have taught there when my parents were attending (in fact, her parents might be too young to have taught there when my parents were attending), I feel... called out by proxy. Or by proxical proxy.

When one "believes " in sky fairies and magic all is possible. The apologists have spent untold years trying to justify the nonsense contained in their magic books...

I'm sorry that you've been more recently known as the "Biblical slavery guy/scholar", but sharing your extensive research, translations, and citations is clearly necessary if inaccurate Biblical slavery apologetics are being repeated by not only your average internet apologist but also other specializing scholars. Using your _Did the Old Testament Endorse Slavery?_ resources in a practical refutation like this also makes it a great, accessible listen for an impoverished sap like me! Levitical laws fit so clearly among other Ancient Near Eastern civilizations' laws that it's a disservice (and ethically questionable) to try to view it through a vocally singular, theological, and divinely ordained lens. There's more to learn about any ancient text when read as a piece of literature from its author(s)' time, region, and culture. How can we learn what the author's intent and influence are if we try to plaster our own modern intent and philosophy on top of it?

Nice Tie.

Lying is a sin, but lying for Jesus is a virtue.

Genocide is an overstatement? Do these people listen to themselves?

@Bugsy0333

19 күн бұрын

What do you call it ?

@user-gl5dq2dg1j

19 күн бұрын

@@Bugsy0333 A travesty. Fortunately the book has no little to no tie to history but the fact that it has been used to justify all sorts of genocides is horrifying.

@Bugsy0333

18 күн бұрын

@@user-gl5dq2dg1j Agreed !

@Bugsy0333

18 күн бұрын

@@user-gl5dq2dg1j Agreed !

As it happens in India? She better show me the laws then.

Genocide is genocide!

@CaliforniaSurfer-gc2xv

25 күн бұрын

PEDO ARE PEDO SLAVERLY IS SLAVERY EAT YOUR KIDS, MEAN EAT YOUR KIDS HEY EVIL YWH DID TEH WATER GENOCIDE,, FIRSBORNS, GENOCIDE 2, AND HAS HIS TORT CHAMBER. OH WHAT A MONSTER I AM TO CALL HIM EVIL.

BOOOOORRRRRIIIINNNNGGGGGG. But seriously: I want to talk to you about Leviticus 25! I have so many questions and a few thoughts that differ from yours. I read it a bit more positively, but I am willing to be convinced otherwise.

Basically 'slavery was nicer back then'. Yikes!!

Love how MR ALL PWOERFUL LET US MESS WITH HIS WORD. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Didn't Yahweh specifically mind control the leadership of all but one Canaanite town so that they wouldn't surrender peacefully or negotiate requires, but would instead fight back against the Hebrews?

Cherry picking g at its best. Wonderful response, Dr Bowen.

i don't buy that the female slaves not going free was to protect them. there were laws there to protect her in the case that the buyer or his son took her as a concubine, but we know from the text that there were other purposes she might be put to: namely, to pop out a new generation of permanent slaves by being bred with a male eved. she was then 'protected' from leaving with her husband when he went free? no, the text makes it clear why she is forced to stay. furthermore, freeing her is seen as a form of compensation if she's maimed etc. and the deuteronomy revision seems to think freeing female slaves along with males is a step towards making the institution less exploitative.

@nickbrasing8786

25 күн бұрын

I'd be interested in Josh's thoughts on where the wives married to the Hebrew debt slave came from? Could they be both native Hebrew AND foreign women chattel slaves? Given that there is some prohibition in the Bible to marrying a non-Hebrew. I know converting wouldn't free the woman (or man for that matter), but would that allow them to marry if they started as a foreign chattel slave? The verse itself doesn't seem to clear on it. Josh?

@pansepot1490

24 күн бұрын

Biblical “laws” and actual ancient Jewish/Israelite practices are two different things. “freeing her is seen as a form of compensation if she’s maimed” sorry, to me it sounds more like a master getting rid of a mouth to feed that can’t repay him with work.

@joshridinger3407

24 күн бұрын

@@pansepot1490 we only have the laws, and can only speculate at the actual practice. the text frqmes manumission of slaves as a form of compensation for maiming them. you're free to rewd other secret motives into that, but it doesn't acfect my point.

@joshridinger3407

11 күн бұрын

​@nickbrasing8786 the text says this applies to israelite slave women, but the bible is all over the place on inter-erhnic marriage. remember, the bible does endorse the wholesale incorporation of foreign wives through military conquest.

Would it been proper for you to bring up Biola University's Articles of Faith? Just so your audience understands the pressures she's under when talking about the morality, or the lack thereof, within the bible?

@ritawing1064

23 күн бұрын

Indeed: in fact, no institution with preformed religious underpinnings should be allowed to call itself a university at all, it is oxymoronic.

21:57 so basically, the daughter is being sold as what we'd call a s*x slave... Yeah, as much as I like mythology, it should never be used as morality.

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What these apologists refuse to acknowledge is that if it was their god who wrote this text, then there is no excuse or explanation regarding the whys, it is just that this god believes in keeping human beings as property. It is very simple, but it requires them to admit that their own morality is superior to that of their god. Pathetic. Plus, this woman was talking to a child! And the child didn't know how to ask an intelligent question and seemed to be in awe of her. That was as easy as taking candy from a baby!

It was superbad to see Dr. Josh on Emma Thorne's channel last weekend! Y'all oughta swap "Citation Needed" merch! And, c'mon, that bowtie today is off-the-charts bad@$$! As to this concept that an owner could do what they liked with a slave, there was an interesting exchange between a student and Prof. Noam Chomsky at Tufts University on April 22nd, 1997 in which Chomsky cited the pro-slavery lawyer and theorist George Fitzhugh. Fitzhugh's argument was that, as against the wage servitude of the Northern states, where people rented their labour and could be discarded, to a Southern owner a slave was an investment that needed to be cared for because so much time and capital had gone into raising that slave for their labour. I mention this because Prof. Imes opens her discussion of slavery by mentioning the Atlantic slave trade.

Biggest issue with this type of semantic apologetics is that it doesn't matter what word we ultimately end up using, aside from bare minimum surface level optics that targets people who haven't read the more unsavory parts of the Bible. Even if we were to concede for the sake of argument and swap every single instance of the word "slave" with "servant", the Bible still explicitly dictates how to treat, acquire and punish both indentured Israelite servants and involuntary permanent foreign "servants". _"See, the Bible doesn't permit acquiring foreign slaves from other nations, beating them to death or passing them on as permanent property, you silly skeptic! It merely permits acquiring foreign _*_servants_*_ from other nations, beating them to death and passing them on as permanent property! It's completely different!"_ 🤡

Hey, Dr. Josh, I have a question. Let’s say if we compare Leviticus 25: 44-46, with Deuteronomy 29: 10-12 and Deuteronomy 5: 12-15, would it be plausible that these author(s) believed that foreign chattel slaves are part of the Covenant under the God of Israel? And that the passage in Deuteronomy 5 is encouraging Israelites to treat slaves with compassion? Given verse 15? If the answer is that Deuteronomy 5 only applies to Israelite slaves and not foreign slaves -but since the word “slave” is used in a general way, couldn’t we say that this law applies to both Israelite and foreign slaves? If not, then why? Lastly, I’m not trying to say that OT slavery laws are good, I’m a Christian, but I would say it’s foolish to try to say that these slave laws are good. But given these passages, are these OT writers, specifically the ones in Deuteronomy, trying to create a humanitarian ethic for how to treat slaves? Both Israelite and Foreign?

@AlexLightGiver

24 күн бұрын

Jesus tells us to just let it go. ( Slavery) 🙏 🙏

@pansepot1490

24 күн бұрын

Best way to stay a Christian is stop reading the Bible. That’s why Catholics are still the biggest brand of Christians, nobody encourages them to read the Bible, the Jewish part especially. It is understood that it is most metaphors and a mix of legends and history of the Jews, and therefore it’s not inerrant theological doctrine. Take the Bible for what it is, pros, cons and baggage, and just rely on faith.

2:23 Yes. You can't explain the N.T. without the O.T. All of Christianity is predicated on the O.T. In the first book you have to hook the gullable with this idea there is a sky daddy that made everything and somehow there was this human being who was a witness to him doing that. Oh wait? That part of a human witnessing it was left out? Well isn't that odd. The next part, paraphrasing and jumping ahead past man being just a mud gollum made out of mud and his wife was made from his mud rib....the next part is about a tree with magic apples in it in which some talking snake happens to live. Okay, so now we have our reader/listener bought into it. If they haven't run to the door after the talking snake and magic apple and missing witnesses bit, we can keep going. Next, we use "God done it" and explain everything with this MAGIC ANSWER in the next tiresome, absurd, boring, and absolutely appalling excuses for human behavior. Oh yes, we are the bad ones but those guys are worse.... apologetics. Yawn. I'm hoping at this point my long winded explanation is honoring the long winded boring ass explanations that apologists give. Yeah, mine isn't as magicy doodle woo woo and is in the language of today. Yes, my description is accurate. Anyway....we go through all this long winded collection of stories that are worth killing over....while we neglect that during the time period of this supposed event, my ancestors never heard of the crap. My ancestors were fashioning bows and arrows and spears and things and trapsing around in the forrest, while the greeks were living in City States and fighting with each other and fishing from the sea. Meanhwile in India, people existed at that time and didn't really give a damn what was going on with some sun baked people in the desert. Over in Japan the world was business as usual too during all this extra special time of god in the O.T. Down in the rest of Africa there were also people extant at the same time as the O.T. but they don't matter. Next we get to the part where we label everyone else accoring to this great puddle theory. Somehow we needed to save all of the animals but not the plants because it is impossible to drown things such as Giant Redwoods. Clearly according to the Great Puddle Theory giant Redwoods can hold their breath while they are submerged under ocean for six months. Wonderful. So anyway, jumping ahead and intentionally neglecting the part where the two girls violate their own father when they get drunk and those bits where abortion are written into the bible as being okay, along with full endorsement and biblical canonical laws regarding what it is okay to do with slaves... Skipping past those parts we have this story about This Dude. Now this Dude is the most important person to ever Dude and he said some stuff, therefore all the magic is true because Bob said so and Bob said that he read it in this magic book. Moving on, we quickly skip past This Dude and get onto the juicy part on how to grift by this dude named Paul who never met This Dude but somehow knows all about it. Let's just ignore a whole bunchy of resty of the stuffy and get to the end. Finally we got another guy that finishes it all up with a bunch of batshit nonsense in the final book that is even more wackydoodle than magic apples and talking snakes. Now we've gotten into bizzaro land. Sounds Legit. Must be true.

Here All: Jesus have spoken on Slavery. " Just let it go". 🙏 🙏

No problem with the Bible describing genocide and infanticide commander by God, angels directly killing hundreds and thousands of people, Israelite god airstriking entire cites. The problem is that major religions today claim that it's the God, absolute good, absolute love... This is the problem.

@CaliforniaSurfer-gc2xv

25 күн бұрын

WHAT HE COMAMANDS DOES, TO PREGNANT OWMAN, ANIMALS, TO KEEP VIRGINS, DISPOPSE OF MALES HIS THUGS TOOK STONING OF WOMAN, CHILDREN SELL YOUR DAUGHRE EAT YOUR KIDS EVIL FREAKS. HWO CAN ANYONE BE HAPPY, COOL WITH THIS EVIL GARBAGE I WAS DUPE, BUT DIDN'T READ ANY OF THSI TRASH PEDO BOOK, THOUGH JUST BUNCH OF STORIES, DIDN'T GO TO EVIL YWH STEALPE CORP SO NO ONE TOLD ME ANYTHING A BIG TBAKS TO CHRISTENDUMB32, HIS FIRS VIDEO SHOWED ME EVIL YWH BOOK IS ALL TRUE, AS EVIL YWH SAYS IT IS ALL TRUE I THEN QUIT. THEN PLAYED THE RSTS OF HIS SHOWS, 200 HOURS, AND MANY I CAN'T PLAY TOO GROSS, BUT I GOT MOST OF IT DON'T EAT WHEN YOU READ THIS BOOK ANYONE.

@CaliforniaSurfer-gc2xv

25 күн бұрын

Don't you love how EVIL PEDO YWH CAN'T GET HIS OWN WORD CORRECT

I will never ever understand apologetics. She is saying that when the god of the Bible sent some barbaric conquerors to go invade a land of people who never attaqued nor invited those conquerors, the god of the Bible didn't ask the conquerors to kill anybody, but to only smash other people's gods and so-called idols, which means the people whose land was invaded didn't have the so-called "free will" to worship any god they wanted. In other words, people had the right to worship anything but if they worshipper any god other than yahweh, they would face a genocide. And somebody with a PhD can absolutely justify it.

No one can prove that My sea even existed. And Israelites are Canaanites.

The bassement-level of the apologetical excuses were deeply disappointing.

@CaliforniaSurfer-gc2xv

25 күн бұрын

THEY ARE EVIL. THAT;'S THAT THEY EITHER WORKL FOR THE CLUB, THE RULERS THAT CRAETED THSI GARBAGEM, AND USE IT NOW ON PEOPLE MAKE MONEY OR DON'T WANT TO ADMIT IT'S ALL LIE I CAN TELL YOU IT HAS RUINED ME GLAD I KNOW ABOPUT EVIL YWH, AND THAT ALL SKY MONSTERS ARE MADE UP, AND EVIL ASL YOURSELF, AND JUSTIFY THIS WORLD,. AND TELL ME THERE IS A LOVING SKY MONSTER YOU CAN'T NOT FUN TO KNOW THAT OG I LOVE HOW PEOPLE TRY AND DO THAT, JSUTIFY THIS EVIL WORLD CAN YOU IMAGINE MEETING THIS THING, SAYING IT'S REA. EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW HEY SKY MONSTER ARE YOU EVIL. FUNNY YOU MENTIONED THAT, YES AI AMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. and then he laughs LIKE EMPEROR PALPATINE

Slavery Kidnapping Sale of human beings forced labor abuse is NOT allowed in Judaism Torah laws. Ask any Orthodox Jew or Rabbi. Period ... תודה רבה שלום

4:41 "Killing people was not the point of it." That doesn't sit well with a whole bunch of bible verses, lady. Deuteronomy 20:16-18 1 Samuel 15:3 Joshua 6:20-21 Numbers 21:34-35 There's more where that came from.

Though yes, she is wrong. These OT passages are manifestly about obliterating certain peoples and their practices.

@epicofgilgamesh9964

23 күн бұрын

*This website is designed to spread the vicious truth about the Bible. For far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called God of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children.* I have included references to the Biblical passages, so grab your Bible and follow along. *It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said Thou shall not kill.* For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses (Joshua 6). In Judges 21 He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! *Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody!* In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 & Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). ***This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person.*** ***Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK.*** If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself. *Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven:* For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it (Matthew 19:12). *I don’t know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.* The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice. *And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear:* It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid (Luke 16:17). There are many more quotes on this topic at my Do Not Ignore the Old Testament web page. *If you follow the links on this site you will learn about all the nasty things in the Bible that are usually not talked about by priests and preachers.* www.evilbible.com/ Watch *"Context!!!!!!"* by NonStampCollector (A good video for believers who try to rationalise Biblical atrocities and immorality by saying "Out of context".)

I also cannot fail to notice the chasmic void of self-awareness on the part of people who presume to morally look down their noses at ancient peoples who lived in extremely brutal and uncertain times and places in history, where lethal violence, dispossession and the enslavement of one's family was not the remote possibility that it is for sheltered, comfortable, modern Westerners.

@BurnBird1

24 күн бұрын

Your argument would have some validity if it wasn't for the fact that these laws and traditions are supposed to come from an all-knowing diety. What does the savagery of the people have to do with anything?

@ConsideringPhlebas

24 күн бұрын

@@BurnBird1 People in extreme situations may have to resort to drastic measures to ensure their survival, just like any other organism. God knows this, and therefore, in some circumstances, gives commands and authorization to carry out such things.

@BurnBird1

24 күн бұрын

@@ConsideringPhlebas Well yes, if god orders one people genocide, resulting in many wives and widows now without homes, it would clearly be immoral to not take them as s3x-slaves. Why would god have his people act just as immoral as their neighbours, therefore making his laws indistinguishable from those of the terrible pagans?

@epicofgilgamesh9964

23 күн бұрын

​​@@ConsideringPhlebas The Abrahamic god isn't real, champ. The scribes were claiming to speak for their imaginary god. The Israelites were doing the same thing other cultures from the ancient Near East were doing in writing god stories and myths. -------------------------------------‐------------------- *The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* ("The Sumerians were the people of southern Mesopotamia whose civilization flourished between c. 4100-1750 BCE." "Ancient Israelites and their origins date back to 1800-1200 BCE.") *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Hammurabi - World History Encyclopedia"* (Hammurabi (r. 1792-1750 BCE) was the sixth king of the Amorite First Dynasty of Babylon best known for his famous law code which served as the model for others, *including the Mosaic Law of the Bible.)* *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? *"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"* Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"* *"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"* *"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Atrahasis Epic: The Great Flood & the Meaning of Suffering - World History Encyclopedia"* Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"* (8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science) *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei (This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies) *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei

Have you read or studied Jewish interpretations of the Torah? You’re influenced by classic Christian anti-Judaism.

Thank you.