Biannual Update 2017

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  • @EndTimeBibleIntelligence
    @EndTimeBibleIntelligence7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you brother... appreciate your effort in educating the world on all these overlooked topics of our Christian faith!

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much!

  • @edwardburnette4179
    @edwardburnette41794 жыл бұрын

    Loving these works thank you so much and yah bless all your works on thiese stuieds

  • @xenohelix
    @xenohelix5 жыл бұрын

    All of the listed ideas sound really great!

  • @asims1956
    @asims19566 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for doing all the work to make these videos...I enjoy them very much...I have been studying the Bible for the most part of my life and over the last 5 years have focused more on the early Christian writers and the Septuagint. I post write-ups about this on Facebook occasionally and it is always received very well by those who want to know more about the Christian faith and history. I hope that I can get more interested in studying these writings and the early church by doing this...You are doing a great service here in making this information available... the videos are well done and a great blessing for me an many others. Thanks so much for your work.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so very much for sharing. That is such an encouragement! It is exciting to find others who find a passion in this as I do. :) God bless!

  • @chefrasercooks3922
    @chefrasercooks39227 жыл бұрын

    It's not coincidence that the Lord told me to Study on the early church and progress form there to do this exact same thing as to follow it's history and the schisms and separations. then leading us into the many doctrines of today. And now I have found this channel. Great works so far! I use other references to 'test' this channel and I find it right ion time. God Bless,

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    I agree. The early Christians are a breath of fresh air to be among all the many doctrines of today. Yes, please test this channel. As I shared in this video, I welcome any questions, challenges, or criticisms. We're all on a journey to be like God, and we all have something to offer to others in God's Kingdom. God bless!

  • @chefrasercooks3922
    @chefrasercooks39227 жыл бұрын

    I've got a lot to catch up on!!

  • @roddumlauf9241
    @roddumlauf92417 жыл бұрын

    I've been wearing a t-shirt that simply says, "Got Septuagint ? " What a great conversation starter . Thanks for all the Early Church material you've been supplying . It's a puzzle to me how the modern Evangelical church (sect) can think they are more "biblical" than the men who were approved and ordained by the Apostles themselves.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    That is one of the greatest things I've ever heard of! I have to get one of those, haha! I saw that Amazon is sold out. :( Thanks for the support. I agree!!

  • @traceursebas
    @traceursebas7 жыл бұрын

    You have been a wealth of information to me, thank you so much. Allways enjoyed your videos ever since I stumbled upon in when curiously looking for info on the Shepard of Hermas on youtube.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing! I appreciate the encouragement. I'm glad these videos have been so helpful for you! God bless!

  • @DonMan81
    @DonMan816 жыл бұрын

    I just discovered your channel today and I can't get enough! I had originally searched for information on the Septuagint when I came across your channel and I was so blown with the information you provided. Then, I found your videos on the early church fathers (whom I like to call "Jesus Disciples: The Next Generation", lol. I've heard their names before but was never really sure who they were or how important they really were to the growth and spread of the Gospel. I'd love to see more in-depth videos on each of their works, history and contributions to our understanding of Christian doctrine. I don't agree with everything they say or teach but that by no means diminishes their value to us today. In some regards, I believe the church as a whole has a lot to learn from them that I think we as modern believers have forgotten or simply demphasized. I'm still looking through all of your videos trying to take them all in. If you haven't already, I would really like to see more videos on the New Testament's usage of Septuagint scripture quotations and the comparison to the masoretic text. I am thoroughly fascinated by early Christianity as well as the intertestamental timeframe between the OT & NT that lead up to the coming of Christ. Keep up the good work and you are indeed keeping the spirit of our forefathers in Christ alive and well! May God the Father bless you and keep you in the Spirit and in our Lord, Jesus of Nazareth, The Christ.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for commenting. It is exciting to find others who are interested in this great time of history. I like your title... Jesus Disciples: The Next Generation. :) Like you, I am also very fascinated by the intertestimental timeframe. I grew up not knowing anything about that time. Having read the books of the Septuagint that describe it, it has been amazingly enlightening. I wish the 1st and 2nd books of Maccabees were talked about more. Thank you for everything you said! I'm glad that you have received so well these videos on Pre-Nicene Christianity. God bless you!

  • @DonMan81

    @DonMan81

    6 жыл бұрын

    Could you refer me to a good English translation of the Septuagint. Also is there a Bible out there that contains the English Septuagint as well as an English New Testament bound together?

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    The NETS translation is probably the most scholarly. www.amazon.com/New-English-Translation-Septuagint/dp/0195289757 The only Bible that I know of that contains both LXX Old Testament and New Testament is the Orthodox Study Bible. www.amazon.com/Orthodox-Study-Bible-Hardcover-Christianity/dp/0718003594 I recommend both of these translations. I also recommend Brenton's translation because it is free (public domain). God bless!

  • @neilhasid3407
    @neilhasid34077 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your intelligent and sensitive update. I look forward to watching the videos. I am reluctant to subscribe. Perhaps later. Can I unsubscribe if I find it troublesome. In any event your dedication and integrity are most evident.

  • @RexDavid
    @RexDavid7 жыл бұрын

    thank you so much for your work!

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much for the encouragement! God bless!

  • @chefrasercooks3922
    @chefrasercooks39227 жыл бұрын

    when I am done my studies of the early saints, i will get into the history of the texts, I am basically putting together a log of 'schisms', as I am led by the Holy Spirit... I want to teach to get back to the roots of our scriptures.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    That is fantastic. May God bless your research and whatever fruits He brings out of it.

  • @danm7527
    @danm75276 жыл бұрын

    what an important channel! i love early Christian history. subscribed

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for saying that and for your support. May this channel be a blessing to you!

  • @Paul020253
    @Paul0202537 жыл бұрын

    An excellent series, I personally would be very interested to hear what u have to say on any of those subjects-plus the ones you normally do-such is the quality of your work. Sorry I cannot be more definite, but I am always keen to see your latest video.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the encouragement! We'll see what I can complete in the next year or two.... God bless!

  • @chefrasercooks3922
    @chefrasercooks39227 жыл бұрын

    Keep up the good work I am using it in my studies

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing! God bless you in your studies!

  • @Nivalian
    @Nivalian6 жыл бұрын

    This is a great channel. Please keep this incredible channel up. Did you ever think doing a chronology from Creation to Christ with the AM date along with the BC date? I was wondering what your AM dates come out to be. As of 9/24/17, The Jewish calendar has the date at 5778. Ussher has it at 6021 (4004+2017) Other scholars throughout history have different dates that far and between. Thanks again for all what you do. God has definitely placed you here doing this type of work.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the encouragement. I'm working on more videos, but it is going very, very slow. Because... life. I would appreciate your prayers that I find the time to make quick progress. One day, I hope to make my own calculations on when the world was created. Have you seen my videos on the Septuagint? Because of many reasons, I would not calculate the creation of the world using the Masoretic Text and modern Jewish calculations. I would use the Septuagint. As with so many subjects, the Pre-Nicene Christians have already done so much work for us. I have more to read about it, but they place the creation of the world in 5530 BC. Thanks again for your very kind words. God bless you!!

  • @frikandelthaisaus
    @frikandelthaisaus5 жыл бұрын

    I would be interested to see video's about 'Overview of church history' and also 'Do these passages belong in the bible?' And I hope you keep making more video's, this channel is awesome!

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the encouragement and support! I recorded your suggestions. :)

  • @terratremuit4757
    @terratremuit47577 жыл бұрын

    I think you should pursue the extra videos! The "how we got the Bible", "Church history group study" and "textual variant synopsis" videos sound like they would be very interesting.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the input! I will work on those videos. But we'll see what I am able to finish in the next year or two. God bless!

  • @williamlamb1754
    @williamlamb17547 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting videos! Your Septuagint series motivated me to start learning Koine Greek (Was reading through Brenton's and other LXX's like Sweete and the NETS and realized they differed at various places, and then I wanted a critical edition like the critical "Septuaginta", which aren't available in english) So I really appreciate that!! Suggestions on Topics: Maybe "Pre-Nicene fathers on The Devil", what they believed about him, and what early church teachings about him. Maybe "How Pre-Nicene fathers viewed scripture" A lot of the Alexandrian fathers according to my knowledge viewed scripture Allegorically (not subtracting the literal meaning of it but asserting that multiple meanings can/are meant by it, aside from the True literal meaning, such as Paul's True interpretation of Sarah and Hagar or the "Do not muzzle an ox" ref in 1 Cor.) Or Maybe "Pre-Nicene fathers view of Melchizedek" Hebrews criticizes it's audience for being "Spiritually adolescent" and that they can't bare "meat" but need to restate the "milk" of God, but claims "We have much to say about this" (Melchizedek matter)

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for commenting! Yes, now that I am aware of the greatness of the Septuagint, I wish I had learned Koine Greek--when I had the opportunity. Because of the Septuagint, you just need to learn one, ancient language and you can translate the whole Bible. So great! :) Thanks for the suggesting the topic of the Devil. I hope to get to that one day, but I feel that there are more important topics that should be addressed first. I doubt that I could make a video on how the Pre-Nicene Christians viewed Scripture. Each writer had their own approach and interpretations (though the important stuff was agreed upon and universally believed). Even Origen himself approached Scripture from three different angles (see my video on him). But the main thing that I learned from their writings is that they did not demand a Biblical canon. That is, which books were Scripture and which ones weren't? NONE of them were dogmatic about that. Melchizedek is an interesting topic. I recently saw this video about what Christians and Jews believe about it. He talks about Melchizedek somewhere in the middle of the video. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iH1l27SNc5nRd6g.html

  • @williamlamb1754

    @williamlamb1754

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for the response! And I would say that it's not too late to start, I started Basics Of Biblical Greek by Bill Mounce maybe about a year ago, and God has really guided me along to be able to read it pretty good, surprisingly (and i've tried hard at French for about 2 years), but I know you have so much other things to study and present to us, of great importance. Yeah, agreed the Series on their view of God is WAYYY more important and fascinating, especially since this is a "Sect" turning point (most different denominations of Christianity have pretty different views on this....which i think need to be address to bring these, to the "Truth") Also your point about scripture cannon is also WAYYY more important, than the Devil... (because different sects use different writings, which cause divisions in the what "we/them" perceive to be "Truth") Like you've expressed in the LXX series of the extra books bearing witness to the Truth, through true representation or identification of the Trinity, and prophetical message. So knowing the full extent of what Pre-Nicene's viewed scripture before a strict universal canon (I believe the canon should be decided by the Holy Spirit, by the Word of God; when the spirit of truth comes "he" will guide you in all truth) And thanks for the video on Melchizedek, (and the maker of that video has other cool videos which interest me!!!) But idk, if you're familiar (a bit off topic of Pre-Nicene, but something for personal studies) are the Dead Sea Scrolls, the sectarian writings, their view of Melchizedek (even the fact that they apply God's names like El or Elohim and "The favorable year of Melchizedek") seems very plausible to coincide with the book of "Hebrews", and other beliefs such as those predestined to the "Lot" of the Messiah who are "The Sons of Light" vs "The Sons of Darkness"....

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yes, I wish I could get into the Greek. Thankfully, there are tools, such as E-Sword, that allow a person to know enough to be dangerous. :) No, I'm not familiar with various writings on Melchizedek and his connection with the name of God or other things. I'm just familiar with what is written about him in Genesis and Hebrews. Thanks for discussing!!

  • @ricardoo6824
    @ricardoo68247 жыл бұрын

    Keep up the good work, I'll be looking forward to it!

  • @SCHNEIDSz
    @SCHNEIDSz7 жыл бұрын

    I look forward to more about the deity of Christ! There's a lot of attack against this today, despite the vast evidence from scripture. Adding in the early Christians beliefs on it help to distinguish the idea that Jesus became a god by centuries of tradition and exaggeration. What the early Christians believed about salvation is very important too! Keep up your work brother.

  • @VaughnMalecki

    @VaughnMalecki

    7 жыл бұрын

    GodismyJudge For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus [1Ti 2:5 KJV] If you can agree that "the man Christ Jesus" is not God, then you must agree that the "Lord Jesus Christ" is not God......because they are the same person. There is only One God, and there is only One Jesus, the Messiah (Christ), the Son of God. Church "fathers" invented the business of a duel nature that is completely foreign to the NT authors. 2 amazing books I'd love to recommend to you are. They Never Told Me This in Church! By Greg S. Deuble Moral Transformation - The Early Christian Paradigm Of Salvation by A.J. Wallace & R.D. Rusk

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing that. Yes, the divinity of Jesus is something that I feel would be the greatest thing I could share on this channel. The early Christians wrote more about this than almost any other topic! I'll do this eventually!

  • @matthewleary3329
    @matthewleary33297 жыл бұрын

    I'm primarily interested in your ideas for videos on Church history and various translations of the Bible in addition to the regular stuff. I would also be interested in videos about some of the lesser known books that are not universally accepted among Christians (i.e. the books of Maccabees, Enoch, and books particular to certain Traditions).

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your input! I will work on that, but it may be a year or two before I finish. God bless!

  • @vishalreddy9472
    @vishalreddy94726 жыл бұрын

    Your work is really eye opener to the Pre-Nicene Church of Christ. Thank you for your videos. But do you know of any church today which follows the Pre-Nicene Church? Can I count on Irenaeus of Lyons as my teacher of the Faith?

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for saying that! I'm glad this channel is a blessing to you. Sadly, I have searched high and low and I cannot find a Christian group today that is the exact same as the Pre-Nicene Church. There are some really great Christian groups out there, and there are some bad ones. I have found peace in my search for the true church, and I am willing to help others (like yourself) find peace within a body of fellow Christians. If you would like to hear my story, I don't mind sharing it. Feel free to email me. postapostolicchurch@gmail.com. If you are seeking something greater, I am happy to help you with that. Or, if you want to learn more and continue to work where you already are, then that's great too! If you want Irenaeus to teach you, you can read his writings. He's a smart guy. Really, all the Pre-Nicene Christians are smart guys. If you need help (or easy access) to their writings, please let me know and I can share some handy links.

  • @PhillipOnWater
    @PhillipOnWater7 жыл бұрын

    I would love to see you create more videos on textual critical issues, the apocrypha, and on chronology.

  • @VaughnMalecki

    @VaughnMalecki

    7 жыл бұрын

    PhillipOnWater yes!

  • @PhillipOnWater

    @PhillipOnWater

    7 жыл бұрын

    Textual criticism especially... Or perhaps Greek/Hebrew word studies, manuscript studies, or comparing early church father quotations, etc.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your input! I will work on a series on Biblical texts and how we got them, but it may be a year or two before it is finished. God bless!

  • @campcharlotte4497
    @campcharlotte44976 жыл бұрын

    You are doing a great job on this. Thanks so much. This is very important history. Do you know of any early writing that addressed the feast days or celebrations the early Christian celebrated? I would be interested in this history. Based on my research so far they were celebrating biblical feasts but called them by a different name. For example, the Day of Atonement was called Michaelmas.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for asking. Off the top of my head, as far as the Pre-Nicene Christians believed, the only feast day they celebrated was Pascha. All others were developed by various Christians after the Pre-Nicene period. You mentioned Michaelmas. That feast was not created by Christians until the 400s.

  • @campcharlotte4497

    @campcharlotte4497

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for the information.

  • @ButlerianG-Haddinun
    @ButlerianG-Haddinun7 жыл бұрын

    random 2 questions since you have so much spare time: dyu think Tolstoy in "Bethink Yourselves" was an appeal to return to pre-Nicene Xian practice? & 2) have you seen the Egyptian hieroglyph "NFR" commonly referred to as "Nefer"? really like your work if I could help I would help as in if you want to outsource some homework I got the time =)

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the questions, but I don't know enough to answer them. Sorry! I really, really appreciate your offer to help! If I find something I can pass on to you, I'll let you know. :)

  • @grimvaderdehoff8364
    @grimvaderdehoff83647 жыл бұрын

    Brother, I love your videos! Although many of the things you have shown are stuff I have learned on my own. You have created a great reference set. Please do all these series of videos. Another Idea.. IS nathan really Solomons older brother? Nathan is also a verb meaning Give or deliver. May the LORD JESUS bless you!

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    I'm very thrilled that you have learned the same things and find these videos to be good references. That has been my goal. Thanks so much for that encouragement! Sorry, what do you mean by Nathan being Solomon's older brother?

  • @grimvaderdehoff8364

    @grimvaderdehoff8364

    7 жыл бұрын

    Post-Apostolic Church We read the story of Solomon being born after the child that died. DAWYD took to him the wife of Uriah the Hittite. Yet in other places in scripture He has an older brother named Nathan from whom The Messiah JESUS comes! But the spelling in the old Text uses the verbal form of the Hebrew word Nathan. Also, Nathan is a name used commonly with the ROTHCHILDs! The historical Hittite empire at the time of Solomon consisted of most of Greece and Syria. Shalmanezzer "Peace Branch" Salmon shalman and Solomon are the same word meaning peace. Anyway it's just a hair brained theory of mine. Solomon the 381 of 666

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for explaining. It looks like David had 4 sons from Bathsheba (1Chr 3:5). I don't know which sons were older than the others. The Scriptures are not always chronological, so I do not assume that Nathan is older than Solomon. But I would guess that Solomon was the oldest of the four because he became king.

  • @ClaytonMenezesprofile
    @ClaytonMenezesprofile7 жыл бұрын

    Love your work. My wife and I are learning a lot from them. We are both very passionate about early Christianity and following Christ truly in the zeal, power, and knowledge of the early Church. Would like to hear your opinion about which Bible translation is good for study. I believe that the Septuagint and the Textus Receptus are true preserved copies of the Bible. Do you have any idea of any translation that incorporates both of these?

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much for the encouraging words! I'm so glad this channel has been such a help to you! I believe the best translation for study is: many. When I study, I like to use this program called E-Sword. It has many translations (including ones in the ancient languages like Hebrew and Greek). I like seeing them side by side. With that said, here are my opinions about translations. I like an accurate translation. I have found that the ASV is extremely accurate--better than the KJV in every way. I also like to look at Jay P. Green's literal translation. I like an easy-to-read translation. Middle-of-the-road translations are good. The NIV is fantastic and probably the best. The ESV and HCSB are also great. The HCSB is my personal favorite because it reads very closely to how I think. For younger readers, the GNB and the NIrV are the best. I like a dynamic and powerful translation. Dynamic translations loose a lot of the original meaning, but I have found that the NLT is both very, very accurate and reads very powerfully. I love to use it in public speaking. But be careful, translations like The Living Bible and The Message are complete rubbish. Unfortunately, all those translations translate their Old Testament from the Hebrew Masoretic. Because of that, I feel it is important to also have an Old Testament from the Septuagint. I suggest Brenton's translation because it is extremely accurate and public domain. Because it was translated 150 years ago, it is slightly difficult to read. I like the original languages. In using E-Sword, I love seeing the original language and having the definition to all those words at my fingertips. You're looking for a Bible that is both Septuagint and Textus Receptus? There is one translation that delivers exact that: the Orthodox Study Bible. The Old Testament is from the Septuagint, and the New Testament is the NKJV, which is the best modern translation which is related to the Textus Receptus. I have a copy of the OSB and I love it. I hope all this information helps. God bless you!

  • @ClaytonMenezesprofile

    @ClaytonMenezesprofile

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your prompt response! I was checking out the OSB and was planning to order one today or tomorrow. I have many many Bible translations and have been reading all of them for the last 10 years. I'm an apologist at heart and really like accuracy. I don't like the NIV or any of the modern translations because first they don't use the TR, which even the early church fathers quoted from (For example 1John5:7 about the Father, Son, And Holy Spirit). Further, they cause people to doubt than believe. Giving so much access of textual criticism might help someone who is well-studied, but what about these Bibles in the hands of a simple person? They would soon come to a conclusion that the Bible is NOT God's Word, and is NOT accurately preserved. Since you use the OSB, I had a question; does it promote Marian veneration? What about certain Orthodox practices that are certainly not accurate in regard to what the Apostles taught? I was really excited to read the preview of the Bible on Amazon btw.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    That's so great that you use a lot of translations. Thanks for sharing! And I agree with you about how many translations can confuse a simple person--especially when the translation butchers the original meaning. I've been going through the differences between the Textus Receptus (Byzantine family) and the older manuscripts (Alexandrian family). I've been looking at which family the Pre-Nicene Christians used. So far, I have not found any patterns. Some writers favor the Alexandrian family and other writers favored the Byzantine family. I have more studying to do, but the only thing I have learned for sure is that both variants existed in the Pre-Nicene period. Over the next year or so, I plan to share some of these differences in a video. You mentioned 1John 5:7. Interesting, that verses was never quoted before 350 AD. That is, from all the evidence we have before 350 AD, that verse did not exist. Even during the Arian controversy (early 300s), it was never mentioned. And so, "church fathers" such as Augustine may have quoted it, but 1John 5:7 was never quoted by the "early church fathers" of the first 3 centuries of Christianity. Thanks for the great question about the veneration of Mary. I know the Orthodox Church promotes (and usually requires) the veneration of icons. This is very sad because such practices would have been condemned as outright heresy by the Pre-Nicene Church. On the other side, Orthodoxy does not deify Mary as the Catholic Church does. For example, the Orthodox Church does not accept the Catholic teaching of Immaculate Conception. One thing that I like about the Orthodox Study Bible are the pages devoted to what the Orthodox Church teaches on various doctrines. More than I expected, I have been impressed by their understanding and stance on various doctrines. For example, their stance on the relation/balance between grace and obedience is amazing. While the veneration of icons is idolatry, I have really, really been blessed by the study notes in that Bible. Thanks for the great discussion. God bless you!!

  • @ClaytonMenezesprofile

    @ClaytonMenezesprofile

    6 жыл бұрын

    Post-Apostolic Church I think the earliest record of the 1John5:7 by the early church fathers is by Cyprian in AD250. Cyprian wrote: "The Lord says, "I and the Father are one;" and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, "And these three are one." (Cyprian, On the Unity of the Church, point 6) Good to know that you are researching this.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    Sorry for the very late response! I found what you were saying about Cyprian. He says, "And these three are one," referring to the Trinity. (www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.i.html) However, we must ask... Is he quoting 1John 5:7 (the part that is in question) or quoting 1John 5:8 (a part that is genuinely part of John's letter)? The part that Cyprian quotes is found in both verses. It's hard to tell. First, if he was quoting from verse 7, then why didn't he quote the whole thing? And why didn't any of the early Christians quote it? Second, if he was quoting from verse 8, then he is taking the unity of the Spirit/water/blood and making an analogy to the unity of the Father/Son/Spirit. In other words, he may not be quoting verse 7, but is still using verse 8 to support the Trinity. I found this which speaks to our conversation very well. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum#Unity_of_the_Church) After doing my research, I agree with Wescott and Hort. My conclusion is this. Cyprian's quotation isn't clear cut (because he could be quoting from verse 8). And with the silence of verse 7 through all the other Pre-Nicene writers and the silence of verse 7 all through the Arian controversy (a time when they needed such verses), I still do not believe that 1John 5:7 is genuine. In fact, my new theory is that the person who added it, added it because of Cyprian's statement! I found a number of places in the Ante-Nicene Fathers where the writers had every opportunity to share 1John 5:7 but they didn't. Clement of Alexandria even wrote a very short commentary on it, and he did not mention 5:7. When Tertullian was defending the Trinity, he danced around the idea that is expressed by 1John 5:7, but he didn't quote it or refer to it. But he only danced around it. Why he would purposefully ignore the best evidence he could deliver? The best answer is that 5:7 was not in his Scriptures. In the Treatise on Rebaptism, the author quotes 1John 5:6-8 and leaves out the passage in question. It was not in his Scriptures. THEREFORE, it is because of these reasons that I do not believe this passage is genuine. I'm still open to your thoughts. Thanks for this GREAT discussion! God bless you!!!

  • @localguide1611
    @localguide16117 жыл бұрын

    awesome work. i think this is a very little known area of Christianity. I'm not sure why, seems very important to me. especially on doctrine, many of the things debated today would have been sorted out in christian history right?

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    I agree 100%. What you said is the exact reasons why I love this stuff. I have found that History really is one of the greatest teachers. I thank God in how He teaches us through it. God bless!

  • @TheAnnoDomini
    @TheAnnoDomini7 жыл бұрын

    An excellent source of what the earliest Christians believed and practiced is located at www.churchfathers.org!

  • @mateusek11
    @mateusek116 жыл бұрын

    Hey friend, I have found your channel by your Septuegint videos and after that I have become curious about post apostolic writings. To be hinest i thought that if anything is there left there are some catholic marters writings etc, but this was just what I knew was available. Ive watched just few videos but already thank you for your work, it made me intrested in the topic of thise writings and I may read them. Just wanted to write few words ;) But my main thing im writing with is question if you are planing to make some movies based on thos post apostolic writings about doctrinal issues that you adressed at the first video in your chanell. I tell you I have been stretching my brain not once sometimes in the same area and it would be very intresting what they were thinking about. If it is not something you are about to make in close future, maby you could recommend me anything to read/watch in this topic. Sorry for long post. Great work. Ps. I am not saying that I agree with them fully but christian living wise I see the TheLastReformation movement to be one of the closest to what christianity should look like in my opinion based what I read in Scriptures. If you dont know it, chceck it :) May Jesus bless you.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much for commenting and for your support! It is encouraging to see others get excited about early Christianity. :) Yes, I'm planning on making videos for all the topics I listed in the introduction video. Granted, it will take a lot of time because there are so many topics! But I have arranged them in an order of importance (to the best of my understanding of what is important). So as you said, since some of your questions aren't going to be answered in the close future, I do recommend searching KZread and other websites for this. But be careful: there are some places that will quote the early Christians but are not presenting genuine early Christianity (because they do not truly believe what they wrote). If you have any questions, feel free to send me an email. I am happy to answer any of your questions directly and quickly. :) postapostolicchurch@gmail.com. The best crash course on early Christianity is this. www.amazon.com/Dictionary-Early-Christian-Beliefs-Reference/dp/1565633571 Thanks for telling me about TheLastReformation. Wow, there are a lot of great things in it! Its unrelenting focus on Acts, its preaching on Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and true Discipleship to Jesus, its rejection of church buildings, its teaching on living like Christ and actually being FREE from sin.... So great! I watched their trailer and I was glad to see what they said about Constantine. He certainly took the Empire and the Church and married the two. If you noticed, this channel focuses on that time BEFORE Constantine. In fact, I heard one expert in Pre-Nicene Christianity say that Constantine did more damage to the church than the Reformation did. What TheLastReformation is missing the mark is its teaching on faith healing. The kind of faith healing Torben teaches is not according to Acts, nor how God works, nor according to what the church was like immediately after the time of the apostles. Second, I like how they reject traditional church, especially church buildings, but the fact that TheLastReformation rejects the use of the word "church" isn't being true to the book of Acts. Speaking personally, I don't think these things are heresy at all. I am willing to support what TheLastReformation is doing. May they keep changing lives by the mercy, grace, and power of God. :) If you would like to chat more, I would really enjoy that! Feel free to email me. God bless you too!

  • @mateusek11

    @mateusek11

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hey, thanks for response. Also thanks for the refrence to the book. It is indeed fascinating to dig deeper into writings on early christians although with a mind that they are not inspired or not classified as it by some believers we need to read them in light of what we know is inspired. I will respond here just becouse anyone who would like to look at our conversation will have this possiblility and maby get something good form it ;) To be honest everything what is connected with God in any way is fascinating but more than reading, talking about I am trying to exercise more of talking TO God ;) About TLR. I see many things they teach what from beginning of my conversion was natural for me. No one told me about who is God in catholic church and just few days ago Ive been on y cousine wedding and he made in in Catholic church and preacher was talking "as we are in the tample of God" refering to the building. Without having indoctrinated wrongly before it is for me easy to see that what TLR is teaching is what the Bible says. For me personally I dissagree in their approach in water baptism as a mean to salvation. Although I cannot think why a true believer would not be fully imersed after being born again :D You mentioned about Constantine and how he influenced chruch. One who will spent some time researching how he influeced church will notice that rome combined christianity with worship of sun god surely it does not equal christianity. I will tell you also that I am going for 3 week trip from TRL movement, which is gathering of 15-20 christians who will be living in one house for 3 weeks, go out, preach, heal, fellowship, seaking God. After that I am looking forward to go for some mission. Coudlnt find the fullness that I desire, ,going to work and leaving with parents. I think it's great opportunity for many with similar desires. Back to your concerns about TLR I would like to ask you what you mean that "The kind of faith healing Torben teaches is not according to Acts, nor how God works, nor according to what the church was like immediately after the time of the apostles. " Basing on.. Mark 16:15-19 "15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.” ..I see it just as it is writen to exercise what it says aswell as there are many similar commandments to excersise. About the word church I havent seen them rejecting the word and I have watched many teaching (I have to before arriving ;p) and havent found this. I think that they just reject the nowadays definition of church as a building and I think positively they empeshise church as a believers. And the last thing I would like you to comment further on is you said; "Constantine did more damage to the church than the Reformation did" I personally think that reformation was good, having known some of history I would never tought that reformation could have been bad but I am thinking from theologicaal point of view. Becouse I know many people died and so on, it is obviously damagint to humanity. I wrote alot but it is just something to think and discusse alot right? ;) I think you did not, but just in case, any question I ask you to answer or comment further has a seaking spirit, gentle one ;).

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing so much great stuff! I appreciate you taking the time to chat with me. About water baptism... I totally agree with you about: why would someone not be baptized if they believe in God? For me, I am amazed to see what the apostles taught in the Scriptures (and the early Christians taught) about the significance of baptism. Keep studying it, my friend. :) That's a great passage from Mark. To understand what Jesus was talking about, we can look to the apostles and to history to see how God fulfilled what Jesus said. Of course, we see those healings and such during the time of the apostles. But when we look to history and read what the writings from those who knew the apostles, they didn't claim to have the same miraculous power as the apostles did. That is not to say that God can still work miracles--He can! But again, from those who knew the apostles and left us writings, they didn't talk about faith healing. Thanks for clearing that up about "church." It is so exciting to see more and more Christians realize that it is NOT the building. I appreciate your seeking and gentle spirit. My spirit wants to join yours in the same attitude. We're all on a journey toward God's truth and one day reach our destination, who is God Himself. God bless you, your time with the brothers, and your future endeavors in missions! :)

  • @mateusek11

    @mateusek11

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks alot for chating with me aswell. Being even more simple about the gospel. I came to Gog actually by the healings in which i believed. After I believed everything is possible, I saw healings in Jesus name, it was good, and after some time I came up giving my life to Jesus. And from the beginning for me it was talking about God, about the simple fact that God exists but also when someone said/says, something wrong/hurts or "I have this problem" I prayed, becouse I have seen it in practise and in Bible that this is happening. Why would we not do whats good. Ive seen healings and different miracles. To be honest I am not comfortable with naming it "faith healing" as we know how bad connotation "faith healing" has. There are false prophets, false healers. Even satan can do miracles, right. So if you are more oriented to preach the gospel not necessery with signs to follow it is also one way to choose. I recently read in Bible about the wife who by her attitude toward husband is saving souls with saying nothing about God. Proverbs or maby Corynthians. So there are numorous ways for person to be saved. I just experienced miracles of healing, I have also got to know a very clear God hearing prophet (female) and her gift is indisputable. Her hearing God I may say saved me from many more tourbles as I were on wrong path, having this in my heart but also was strongly lured in wrong doing. Healing as christianity is always by faith, so "faith healing" sounds like waterish water :P And from experience many people are coming to know Christ and repent after seying healings on themselves or others. My friends are making videos and recording conversation with various people and noe of them was Haidi Baker. I have not researched her or neither I listen her but this testimony I remember she told. She told that she brought with her the doubtfull unbelievers (cameramans or someone) and she was somewhere in Afrika, you know. And she went to some people from whom 1 or 2 were blind. They saw their cloudy white eyes. Heidi prayed, they eyes restored. They fell down on knees and repented. I dont know If you know brother Suprise Sithole. He has best book showing how God moves through people also now I have ever read. "Voice in the Night" Just amazing stories. Back when I was unbeliever I would say. Nice fairytales or sci-fi ;) www.amazon.com/Voice-Night-Miracles-Changing-Africa-ebook/dp/B006N5OANE So whats your view on healings nowadays. You think God does heal more sovernly than thought people? Or somehow else. Sometimes you got to know to pray for someone particular, after JEsus tells you so, sometimes you hear nothing, you pray and there you have healing. Sometimes it doesnt happen. But I feel beside it is amazing to do and see it, I reognise this practise as one should follow christian ;) Cheers

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    I really love hearing more about your story. So wonderful! That's exciting that you have seen miracles and such. :) Thanks for asking about my personal opinions on healings. There is so much I could say, so I'll be brief on a bunch of points. In advanced, thanks for your interest in my thoughts. (1) MOST IMPORTANTLY, we cannot put God in a box. God has the power to do anything in this world. He can violate nature's rules anytime He wills. So one thing I will never say is, "God doesn't work like that." Who am I to tell God how He should operate? And we cannot force God to perform miracles for us. (2) Yes, I believe God can miraculously heal anyone at anytime for anything. I've heard so many, many stories of it happening. (3) I don't believe that Christians have the power to heal anymore. But back to point #1, I cannot say that God would never allow it to happen. That is, if God wants to cause a miracle to happen through someone, He can. But the spiritual gift of healing isn't around anymore as it was during the time of the apostles. (4) Miracles are not proof that God is real. As you rightly said, Satan is able to perform signs and wonders. Miracles proved God during the time of the apostles and establish the church, but this is no longer the case. Today, miracles and healings are a BLESSING--a true gift of God. (5) Lastly... Miracles are never deserved but are grace. Miracles cannot be forced to happen; God is not obligated to do anything. Miracles do not depend on a person's faith. Those are my personal thoughts.

  • @shamuthewhale5354
    @shamuthewhale53546 жыл бұрын

    Are you a Catholic or Protestant? I'm not saying your videos are biased I just want to know what perspective these videos are from. Love the videos, very informative.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the encouragement and support! I don't consider myself as either... especially after finding the early Christian writings, I prefer the label Post-Apostolic. That is why I named this channel the way I did. I don't want to share any perspective than their perspective. Anything personal I share is only to inspire discussion, not doctrine. But, I will share that I have never been Catholic. To the best of my ability, I try to keep my personality and bias far away from what I do on this channel (with the exception of these biannual update videos). God bless you!

  • @shamuthewhale5354

    @shamuthewhale5354

    6 жыл бұрын

    I see, thanks for the response.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    Cuauhtili, the truth of Christianity does not belong to this church or that church, this denomination or that denomination. I believe the best source for the truth of Christianity (outside of the Scriptures, of course) are the writings of the Pre-Nicene Christians. They do not have allegiance to Catholicism nor Orthodoxy nor Protestantism nor anything else. Any seeker of God's truth will look far and wide in order to discover God's will (though He is not far from any of us). Through the Scriptures, through prayer, through the Holy Spirit, and through the writings of great Christians who preceeded us (and even knew the apostles) are all ways to seek out God's truth. It is my purpose to bring the Pre-Nicene writings into arms reach of more Christians. And this KZread channel is not the only resource to learn about all these things. God bless you.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    What a terrible thing to disregard Christ's words and contradict the Scriptures! Where have I done that?

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    What is most important is whether I disregarded Christ's words and contradicted the Scriptures. This would be a serious error and sin! What from the videos made you think that? I want to get it corrected or explain what was meant.

  • @XAVIER00783
    @XAVIER007837 жыл бұрын

    nice! :)

  • @chivasboss
    @chivasboss7 жыл бұрын

    Can you recommend me a Book the first Christians first century and 2nd Century???

  • @TheAnnoDomini

    @TheAnnoDomini

    7 жыл бұрын

    obed v www.churchfathers.org

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    7 жыл бұрын

    I believe the best book about the writings from that time are the actual writings from that time! This is a "Reader's Digest" version of the Christian writings during those early centuries. It is a huge help to this channel. Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs www.amazon.com/Dictionary-Early-Christian-Beliefs-Reference/dp/1565633571

  • @IHeIReigns
    @IHeIReigns6 жыл бұрын

    Are you catholic? I keep seeing people saying thank you for defending catholicism. Im honestly wondering because i have no idea what denomination is true christianity the way it was in the time of the apostles.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for asking! No, I am not Catholic. Yes, people are interpreting these videos as defending Catholicism. Even though I don't believe that is true, I don't mind that they think that. The Pre-Nicene Church was very, VERY different from today's Catholicism. But this doesn't mean that Catholics are not Christians. I believe they are! The criteria for being a Christian has nothing to do with the signs in front of church buildings. What denomination is true, apostolic Christianity? Speaking personally here, I don't believe there is one today. There are some really great denominations, and there are some really bad denominations. What is most important is that each person finds a church where they can best serve God and where God can cause them to grow. There are many congregations out there that will do this. I've been part of a congregation that hindered me in major ways. Today, I'm happy to say that I'm part of a congregation that supports me and all my work for the Lord. It is an indescribable blessing to find a congregation that truly cares about the love of God in all its beautiful forms. I give thanks to God who gave me this peace. If you are searching for a place where you can serve God and grow in Him, I am willing to help you find that and to walk with you in that journey. God bless you! PS. I like your KZread profile pic. :)

  • @IHeIReigns

    @IHeIReigns

    6 жыл бұрын

    Post-Apostolic Church yea someone else said my profile pic is kind of concerning i asked him why and he wouldnt tell me. Lol but anyway i appreciate you responding so quickly and kindly... I have been exposed to God and the bible all my life since childhood. I have however have fallen away from loving God and keeping Him first in my life. I am diligently seeking answers and truth as of late. I get really confused at times with all the answers out there and videos. Some saying catholicism is a cult of Jesuits others saying protestants are of satan and on and on. My mom goes to a baptist church but because of all the stuff I have exposed myself to on the internet about church I feel it has hindered my wanting to go to a "church" and to find the right one. I dont understand where the catholic church came up with sacraments and i dont know if i should observe sunday or saturday as a church going day. I was at one point convinced that the kjb was the only bible I should read and that all the other bibles are lacking or missing understanding in some ways. I am not baptized and dont know where i should go to get baptized or by whom and I don't know where I should do communion. I believe God is 3 persons but 1 God and Jesus died on the cross for our way to the kingdom of heaven. I believe its through Gods grace through our faith that we obtain this and not by our works. However to have true faith, the fruits of the spirit are present and slowly there is a change within. Yesterday i watched one of your videos and it made me think you need to basically be a saint to be worthy to go to heaven, it really discouraged me in a way. I know im only human and i will make mistakes but for some reason one of the videos from yesterday i watched put a lot of doubt in a lot of what i believe. Correct me with whatever you think needs to be addressed here because I am humbly looking for answers.

  • @IHeIReigns

    @IHeIReigns

    6 жыл бұрын

    So i just read a summary about what the ante nicene church believed about salvation and woah..... that was a blow to my core. This actually scares me these teachings and i know my flesh disagrees with them but i feel my heart agrees with them.... I never truly understood the real meaning of baptism and am now in haste to find somewhere to get baptized. Im curious however if I am to get baptized how am i supposed to know the man who baptized me is of God. The fruits of his labour or observing his teachings because I don't want to be baptized by just anyone. I want to be baptized by someone of God and not of Satan if you know what I mean. If i don't receive the Holy Spirit until after I'm baptized than how can I discern whether someone is of God or not. I also thought the Holy Spirit was with me because when I focus on Him and keep my eyes on Him, I truly mean I get a burning chest, a sort of comfort in my core it's very hard to explain however when I don't seek God and live in the flesh the burning feeling is never there.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    6 жыл бұрын

    It's so wonderful to hear your story. Thank you for sharing! It sounds like your views have been swayed to and fro a lot lately, but that's part of the learning process, I suppose. Then your talk about what you believe is super reassuring! I'm sorry you got the impression from one of my videos that one must be a saint to be worthy of heaven. One side, do not think that one must achieve a certainly level of holiness or righteousness to make it to heaven. There is no specific point of achievement when a person becomes a saint. On the other hand, it is worthwhile to define what a saint is. The way Catholics define it is gives the wrong impression. A saint is really anyone who is walking with God, desiring to always do His will. This is more of how "saint" is used in the Scriptures. I hope that, with this channel and our conversations, you will find answers that are not polarizing. That is, one side says Catholicism is a cult and the other side says Protestantism is of Satan. Those are polarizing views. I don't believe that God's truth is ever that extreme. Except for the question: are you on God's team or not? Everything has to do with God and Jesus. It's not worth arguing about denominations and Bible translations. I'm really happy to see you asking questions about sacraments, baptism, communion, Jesus' death, faith, and the fruits of the Spirit. These are topics worth investigating! I would be more than happy to discuss any of these things with you. And it will be my goal to present the things that I know fairly, sharing things from many angles and letting you decide what to believe. As you said, we are all human and we make mistakes. It's good to be on this journey toward truth with open minds and with love toward God. I'm impressed and glad you are looking into what the early church wrote about salvation and baptism. That's wonderful you are looking for a place to be baptized! Here are some things to think about: (1) I do not believe it matters who does the baptizing. It is the faith and conscience of the person that is being baptized that matters, not the person doing the baptism. (2) It appears that the Scriptures teach that one receives the indwelling of the Holy Spirit at baptism. But that does not mean the Holy Spirit wasn't working on you before baptism. The Scriptures talk about the Holy Spirit's role with people both before and after baptism. I feel that it is after the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, God's power is more manifest in the Christian. This allows them to display and live out the fruit of the Spirit with greater power--then when they did not have the Holy Spirit. God is ever-present at all times! (3) When it comes to baptism I can really help you find what you are searching for. If you feel that I can help you, please email me. I'd love to help however I can! I don't mind continuing our conversation in these comments, but if you would like to, I also prefer communicating through email. Feel free to email me if it works for you too. postapostolicchurch@gmail.com God be with you, Brandon. It sounds like God has great things in store for you! I'm excited about the possibility of going on this journey with you, if it is the Lord's will. I am praying for you! :)

  • @catarinobernardojoao1824

    @catarinobernardojoao1824

    6 жыл бұрын

    My révérend have said to me thé problèmes is the Dogma..... There are some différents Dogmas !!!!!

  • @VaughnMalecki
    @VaughnMalecki7 жыл бұрын

    For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus [1Ti 2:5 KJV] If you can agree that "the man Christ Jesus" is not God, then you must agree that the "Lord Jesus Christ" is not God......because they are the same person. There is only One God, and there is only One Jesus, the Messiah (Christ), the Son of God. Church "fathers" invented the business of a duel nature that is completely foreign to the NT authors.

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