We’re watching a man create history right now. Creating new way to “statistize” the game of basketball, you are an absolute genius!

@alexsanchez5104

4 жыл бұрын

Darryl Davis who tf r u

@mitchellholcomb1561

4 жыл бұрын

@Darryl Davis I don't know how credible your stories are, but I know that last part is a damn lie. You hear the term "extra pass" at least a dozen times on every NBA broadcast.

@258miki

4 жыл бұрын

dude basketball is just 10 men throwing a ball n jumpin

@mitchellholcomb1561

4 жыл бұрын

@Darryl Davis I meant the bit about you being credited with first suggesting these advanced analytics.

@okmillyy

4 жыл бұрын

Darryl Davis You really gotta be racist dude?

When showing Kobe and how he drew people to him and could pass out to open shooters even if not directly it shows how hard it is to measure Curry. He doesn't even need to ball to generate such attention and drag players around. But how do you even measure that

@shonensaiyan

4 жыл бұрын

Or Reggie Miller

@JackFury

4 жыл бұрын

@Gannon Rice steph has a ridiculous gravity

@Eliras24

4 жыл бұрын

ye, but Kobe had (over that) the skills and height to score anywhere and over double or tripleteams, what Curry could never do. And yet Kobe never had the recognition of that "gravity" as Curry does. Strangely. Maybe he was just too much and was easier to watch away from his greatness

@Eliras24

4 жыл бұрын

@@JackFury yes but mostly can't overcome it and HAS to pass, instead Kobe could score AND pass in those situations. I hope some days the disrespect on Kobe would stop. Luckily someone is starting to understand how actually good he was, like this channel here

@JackFury

4 жыл бұрын

@@Eliras24 Kobe did not pull people as far out as Curry though. Curry has such extended range and a quick release he scares defenders into giving him an inch. Different kind of threat But my comment was not to compare. Different types of players and one on one you'd rather face Curry ever time. Just commenting on the positives a player brings you cannot measure in a stat line

You are really onto something here with your metric breakdowns. I've never been a fan of metrics. To me metrics don't fully encapsulate what happens on the basketball court and only illustrate part of the picture. You breakdown the weaknesses in standard metrics and address what's being glanced over, then find a metric that addresses the flaws within the standard metrics. Keep up the good work. I hope that coaches begin to adopt your way of looking at stats and evaluating players. It can be very helpful. I still can't get on board with open mid range shots being a bad idea though. :-P

@raygivler

4 жыл бұрын

The the midrange is only bad in general, but if you only got a couple seconds on the shot clock, a midrange is a higher percentage shot than a clock violation. It's simply one of your last options, not one of the first several.

@isdere

4 жыл бұрын

I think he has another video explaining why mid-range shots can sometimes be a good idea. I think you might enjoy it!

@dennisgodman2743

4 жыл бұрын

Great comment, I feel more or less the same way

@rfconnor3887

4 жыл бұрын

I see where you’re coming from, but I have found a lot of good sources on basketball metrics that focus on the flaws of using a given stat. One of the best blogs, although it no longer is updated , is skepticalsportsanalysis

@Ryukikon

4 жыл бұрын

Mid range is a good and important shot to be good offensive player. If you make mid range shots then you open game. If someone keeps making mid range the defense must come to him. Which means he pulls defense which creates openings

Really challenging the way we look at the top playmakers in league history.

@kefkapalazzo1

4 жыл бұрын

Shit Rondo made some challenge that lmao

@henrybuchan4688

4 жыл бұрын

@Grady Shuffett Not better than Jordan Bill Russell or Wilt

@j.r.2674

4 жыл бұрын

Kevin Wall We ain’t talking about the best players. They are talking about the best playmakers, and you know damn well Wilt and Russell weren’t playmakers. 😂

@jasonmonroe9018

4 жыл бұрын

Darryl Davis and yet LeBron rates out as one of the best when he is graded by this criteria.

@j.r.2674

4 жыл бұрын

Darryl Davis Assists averaged don’t mean anything and I don’t know about you but the rules of NBA have changed a hell of a lot since then. Calm tf down as if I attacked you god damn 😂

I’m a simple man. I see a Thinking Basketball Video, I click, I like, I enjoy

@outty7049

4 жыл бұрын

NotZay be original

@Oncopoda

4 жыл бұрын

@@outty7049 right?! Lol.

@NotZay

4 жыл бұрын

KillerB86 its a basketball video lol not that deep

@Oncopoda

4 жыл бұрын

@@NotZay also true

I'm curious to see what Manu's stats would look like with these metrics. He made a lot of high-risk-high-reward plays. So. Fun.

@tommywolmart265

6 ай бұрын

He's a really good example of well balanced as a scorer and passer

@frizzyrascal1493

4 ай бұрын

Manu is a once in a lifetime kind of player. My absolute favorite guy to watch dribbling a ball. Sometimes, he just goes off, but he always tries to create a situation. His swift moves, the eurostep and his creativity were off the charts. Yet, he was never selfish or forcing anything. But he was THE guy when the Spurs needed a bucket.

Really recommend watching his Top Playmakers of All Time Podcast where he features some of these stats

@santiagoperezfernandez9757

4 жыл бұрын

Xander Sanders where can i listen to?

@nickmclawhorn5559

4 жыл бұрын

@@santiagoperezfernandez9757 Spotify

@3frenchlads

4 жыл бұрын

@@santiagoperezfernandez9757 If you don't like/dont have spotify premium there are a number of free podcast aps you can get too

@theprophet9656

4 жыл бұрын

@@santiagoperezfernandez9757 look it up fr. Thinking basketball podcast on google and scroll because hes done like 27 podcast

@theofficialphil

4 жыл бұрын

where can I find it?

Finally some recognition on Kobe's playmaking abilities. People really sleep on that aspect of Kobe's game.

@Dotsetc

4 жыл бұрын

Which is what is explained here. Without context 5 assists careerwise doesnt seem crazy outstanding(it actually is for a SG) but if you lack the context of not just how he got his assists or how him having the ball made the team more dangerous instantly, but also factors as him playing in the triangle offense system that heavily limits high assists for a player but increases assists opportunities per player. Someone like Curry is an severly underrated playmaker for the exact same reason. Known for shooting in a system in which the offense flows through everybody, but preferbly ending in the hands of the main option if nothing opens up. They mostly start the play or end it, which in a triangle offense motion system, makes it incredibly good to rack up 5-7 assists.

@dominic64tblightning24

4 жыл бұрын

yeah but they overrate his defense so it balances out

@DavidJimenez-he1tv

4 жыл бұрын

Dominic64 TBLightning mans is 12x all defensive. how is his defense overrated. 🤣🤣🤣

@MohamedHassan-dm9df

4 жыл бұрын

Dominic64 TBLightning his defense isn’t overrated tho

@wipe919

4 жыл бұрын

@@DavidJimenez-he1tv Some of those defensive selections where unwarranted.

Always thought I understood that there was a difference between pass first guys and assist guys. Thank you for quantifying it, keep doing what you’re doing man.

I always thought a stat like this would show how much better Dirk was at creating open shots for his teammates then given credit. He often had a ton of Hockey assists if you watched the games.

i love being bored looking for something to watch and coming across a new Thinking Basketball video

I’m glad I stumbled across this channel. I have been watching only Thinking Basketball for the past few days now.

Dude, you inspired me with all those amazing analysis and drew me into the field of statistics.

@raygivler

4 жыл бұрын

And learn data visualization. You can download Tableau Public for free. They have tons of free videos on how to be a chart master.

@huangalex2063

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your advise! In fact, I am a senior in high school now and I am applying for a statistics major. Really appreciate the suggestions from you guys and I will definitely go check out that app.

This channel is honestly fantastic. Not only is the content unique and extremely informative, the man knows how to teach. The professionalism shines through in every video.

Love how you break basketball down to a science. There truly is more to the game than meets the eye.

Got a short essay to finish and a quiz on chemistry tomorrow but do they really matter when a channel like this uploads?

@j.r.2674

4 жыл бұрын

Facts Verse Presents:

@JBreezy1k

4 жыл бұрын

Hold on you go to my school nigga

@hoppy23

4 жыл бұрын

They dont matter when ya can watch this and drink a couple beers smoke a blunt with a buddy do they 😂😂

@BlueGrovyle

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, they do matter.

@adamtwarowski1053

4 жыл бұрын

Good luck bud

You’re videos are extremely underrated and extremely creative and detailed. You touch on topics regular analysts wouldn’t talk about. Nice video.

You sir, are an absolute genius. Thanks for consistently putting out awesome, interesting content. I'm not someone who really understands metrics and stats, but your videos make everything a lot more clear!

The “Net” result haha I love that

I really enjoy your deeper take on statistics. I work in business development and performance. I reference you to my colleagues; as to the way statistics can be misleading and overly effected by factors. It's an opportunity to look deeper into the numbers, with an eye toward how they interact. If you ever read this comment, Thank You.

Really enjoyed this one, definitely changes the way you think about passing numbers

You make stats very easy to digest and learn; normally I have a hard time keeping up. Great vid!

The reason why you are one of the best basketball youtubers out there. You're even better than the majority of the so called "experts" in espn or other networks.

Respect what you are doing here in this video. That was some serious work

man I love these videos. Basketball is such a crazy game to analyze statistics

Subscribing to your Patreon seems the same as funding grants at a university.

@morganm1868

4 жыл бұрын

2 or 4$ per month bro

Best basketball content. Better than KZread and ESPN. Insane stuff brother

I am absolutely loving all the new content 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

Man this is the best basketball analyzing channel.

When I play NBA 2K I have around 4 to 5 turnovers but because I make most of my turnovers from passes my team overall as a lower turnover rate because I make all the mistakes and the rest get the most efficient shots despite the fact that my stats look bad from turnovers I still make the passes because the team benefits from it more and your video really showed well the analytics behind that because I always felt like I should not have a high number of turnovers but also even with a high turnover rate I also was a very tenacious and skilled defender meaning from the 4 to 5 turnovers maybe 2 of them actually result in a score for the other team.

This is such a good channel. I really think the "hockey assist" (2nd assist) should be a stat that is tracked in the NBA

This guy makes me love statistics

Keep them coming and I'll keep sharing them with my friends.

Well, yeah, hasn't Rondo been accused of assist hunting for most of his career? There was a stretch where he had the longest active streak of double digit assists and he kept forcing passes just to keep it going.

@MrDemarrious

4 жыл бұрын

Rimuru stfu

@kefkapalazzo1

4 жыл бұрын

Demarrious Bishop truth hurts

@Heatlifer77

4 жыл бұрын

Rimuru true but countless coaches have talked about how smart he is on the court

@TheNamesDitto

4 жыл бұрын

That was Sacramento.

@MrDemarrious

4 жыл бұрын

Kevin Bertalotto all I’m saying is everyone vouches for his IQ and Passing ability without being able to shoot.

Probably the most well thought out video I've seen in a long time. Great second and third level thinking, Ben!

Brilliant video as always Ben. I wish more people understood these concepts instead of saying "Stats are for nerds who never played the game"

@taptiotrevizo9415

15 күн бұрын

Those people are just.box score watchers

Need to show this video to any fan who says Ben Simmons or Lebron are turnover machines... Lebron and Ben Simmons make those elite passes which have a higher value.

@TheNamesDitto

4 жыл бұрын

And the fact that LeBron does this while creating shots with his offensive skill set makes it all the more impressive.

@tonyschimmoeller4439

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure what Simmons does but LeBron doesn't throw a ton of "elite" passes. Well at least he wasn't in recent years. He was mostly a drive and kick passer to an open 3 point shooter. Now he does occasionally have "elite" pass here and there but he isn't doing this on the regular like say a Steve Nash was.

@ardo141

4 жыл бұрын

Kyle lowry is the best pick and roll passer in the league right now

@curtiswilliams8285

4 жыл бұрын

@@tonyschimmoeller4439 One of the things both have in common is their ability to create open 3 pt opportunities. Which other that layups are the most important and. "efficient" shots in basketball Ben does it more with transition opportunities while LeBron is better at it in half court possessions, LBJ is the better offensive player and through that creates for his teammates through that. I'm a Sixers fan so I obviously watch Ben Simmons all the time. He has an advantage with his height to see over defenses but his "gift" and value as a passer is he knows how to "throw people open" the way a great quarterback does his recievers in football. He actually has great vision and anticipation especially in transition and open court opportunities. He can be lazy with his passing and decision making overall and he'll go for the flashy pass at times too often(there are times where making the "simple pass" is part of "winning basketball"). Not to mention, he's usually the primary ball handler on a "pass heavy" team and that leads itself to a high volume of assists and turnovers so stats have to be examined from that context wrt Ben Simmons. But he's a great passer nevertheless and remember he just turned 23 years old and is about to enter his 3rd year in the NBA. Can't and shouldn't be compared to LBJ. Not fair to either of them but LBJ is the better offensive creator easily but Ben doesn't get enough credit for his own play making and "gravity" especially as a passer and finishing at the rim/in the paint/restricted area because everyone focuses on his flaws so heavily.

@curtiswilliams8285

4 жыл бұрын

@@tonyschimmoeller4439 Steve Nash and LBJ have different games and play different positions. Steve Nash is/was "the prototype" size wise as a PG. He "needed" the dribble, rather crafty dribbling, to create scoring opportunities for his teammates so his dribbling was his "gravity." LBJ because of his size, and scoring "gravity"(especially in the paint/restricted area) leads to scoring opportunities without him needing the dribble as much as Steve Nash to create open looks. The ability to create open looks especially 3 pt opportunities and execute with "the right pass" is "elite passing" and since LBJ has always been a "willing passer" especially in comparison to players his size and position(remember he's 6'8" 270 lbs and a POINT FORWARD) and doesn't "need" the dribble to "see" those passes allow turn "simple" passes into "elite" passes and he's a great passer BTW who knows the game inside and out and anticipates those looks happening before it happens. Since Ben Simmons was mentioned: There's a video on KZread from SBNation, called "Simmons, The Magician." Yea, very hyperbolic especially since he was just a month into his rookie season at the time. But it's actually a great video. In the video, it compared how the "elite" point guards or primary ball handler needs a high volume of dribbles before getting an assist. Ben Simmons, partly because of the offense that he plays in but most importantly because of his height being able to see over a defense doesn't use or "need" the same volume of dribbles to get assists and his assists generally happen earlier in a possession than the "average" point guard. The catch 22 with Ben, because he doesn't "need" the dribble to create those scoring opportunities, it leads him to having bad habits like "picking up his dribble" which actually limits him from seeing and creating more scoring opportunities especially in the half court whereas Steve Nash is one of the greatest ball handlers/dribblers of all time and knew how to "keep his dribble" like all the great "crafty" point guards in NBA history creating those elite scoring opportunities and passes that general public see. So what I'm saying is that LBJ and Nash were/are "elite" passers. Their games are different and how they use it to create scoring opportunities with their passing is different.

Easily my favorite KZread channel.

@bolt7047

4 жыл бұрын

Same

I really appreciate all the theory you put in your videos. I hope you realise how good everything you do. My only gripe is the length of those video, I'd love t to see a 40+ minutes dissecting anything basketball relate.

@reformeddoomer6777

4 жыл бұрын

@Darryl Davis shitt, I'll be honest I'm only 19 years old. I never really watched MJ play but I find the theoretical aspects really intriguing.

Highest iq basketball analysis KZreadr

@Jay-dn2pg

4 жыл бұрын

Not really iq, he just studies the game more in depth.

@Jay-dn2pg

4 жыл бұрын

@Darryl Davis You're only looking at it from the surface though. You're coming to that assumptions because LeBron plays with shooters for the most part and I don't blame you. But if you watch LeBron consistently, he's definitely one of the best passers in the league. He's one of the only players with the strength to make cross court bullet passes to shooters and get off difficult passes in the air because of his strength. Also in Cleveland, with kevin love, he had countless post drop passes to him and just like kobe, when he went to the free throw corner post, he would draw in the defense and kick it to shooters or find a cutter. Or even drive and kick or drive and skip which he did a lot with Korver and Jr.

@TheTariqibnziyad

4 жыл бұрын

@Darryl Davis add to that the fact that LeBron doesn't move off ball, and outside his high number of assists all his teammates hardly have over 2 assists , which means that he doesn't pass to run a system and win, he passes to get his assists, which get to predictible at the crunch or against good defensive playoff teams.

@Jay-dn2pg

4 жыл бұрын

@Darryl Davis He does that pass in the air across the court into the corner like I stated that he's the only guy that can do that using a bullet pass and he did it very often in Cleveland. Wow so now Jordan is an elite playmaker...Jeez. You're just following the stigma set on LeBron that he's a stat padder or stat chaser. In the early part of James's career, he didn't have deadly shooters on the cavs but still had similar assist numbers. You're trying to say that because he had tall shooters, that means his passing is overrated and MJ was a better passer. Plus you're one of those guys that uses hypotheticals as facts in an argument. One of the worst people to try to argue with. You must not watch LeBron a lot because you didn't get the point I was trying to make. LeBron can make bullet passes in situations where he's in an awkward position in the air and have the pass on target. And you using height is kind of a reach, most shooters on the wing are gonna be about 6'5" and up and that's only a 2-3 inch difference from a lot of the shooters on LeBron's team. It's isn't a lot harder to pass to a guy 2-3 inches shorter. And please explain why LeBron's passes don't have "rhythm". "Has James ever ran a 1 on 2 and not let the ball hit the floor". I\m pretty sure there's some. He's been in the league for 17 years so there's bound to be some instance of it but i'm not gonna search for it. A lot of his fastbreaks come from him reading the passing lanes and also him trailing his teammate for an alley oop. And plus, I honestly don't know what the ball touching the floor on a fastbreak had to do with his playmaking ability. I'm expecting you to say "It's how basketball is meant to be played" or something cliche like that. "Also has never gone up for the jump shot in the lane then adjusted while floating in the air and found a player inside for pass then dunk all while in the air". Lebron does this instead of dumping it off into the lane, because he's never really had a dominant inside big on his team except for javale recently, I know he's done it before with Shaq but not often because Shaq obviously wasn't as dominant. But he did this a lot in Cleveland rifle passing it to most often korver and JR in the corner or wing, which again, shows how his strength helps him. And no, everyone can't make these passes like him because they aren't as strong to rifle the passes as fast as he does. They'd have to lob the ball more which makes it easier to intercept.

@govols2214

4 жыл бұрын

Darryl Davis Lebron is absolutely an elite passer and better than Jordan at it. You’re right about Bird being better, but not by much tbh. You’re just nitpicking tbh

Is no one going to mention that Ben made a pun and then laughed at his own pun? I love this channel Ben! Keep up the good work.

This is why I am not a rondo fan. You put it in a great way

God, I love this channel. The basketball nerd in me is exploding!

Adding actual values of passes and turnovers to rate are needed to be done long ago. You took a historic step towards better stats analyzation like what Luka done for the 20 yr-olds

since 10 seconds into the video I cannot get Lebron James out of my head. Great job exploring a complex topic.

Jason Kidd and Nash were so great to watch

How are you not working for NBA teams right now? (or maybe you are) Anyway, this content is amazing, keep up! I got also a question: what is your way to experiment these new stats you create, to see how insightful they are in describing players and teams?

Stats hurt my brain but your voice is nice so it makes me feel smart

I think this says a lot about the progression of the game as of late too. More teams are taking sg/sf/ reallytallandfastpfs and running through them because they generate threat. They force help even if its a little sag off.

This is such a great video! It really annoys me when people bring up assists out of context, especially when comparing players like Curry and Westbrook. Westbrook's a better passer, in my opinion, but Curry's gravity and scoring threat create way better opportunities for his teammates, but some people still have the nerve to say Westbrook's better at everything than Curry other than shooting (not even kidding)

@qwikscopez6619

4 жыл бұрын

Westbrook is one of the premier creators of all time, infact he's got the highest creation in a season

@kritav1111

3 жыл бұрын

You do know Westbrook on an average generates the highest number of points from his passes right? Only LeBron James and Ben Simmons come close to the numbers. Last year he literally generated a potential assist every 3 passes which is one of the best in the history of basketball.

Wilt had a lot of these "Rondo assists". Jokic's assists are more like Nash's or Magic's. THAT'S why Jokic is the best passing big man in NBA history; sure, maybe he hasn't led the league in assists (yet) like Wilt did, but the assists he makes are consistently some of the most difficult, creative, and valuable in the league.

@Thanosdidtherighthing

4 жыл бұрын

Yup. Wilt was no doubt a very good passer but most of his assists came from his scoring prowess and size so after drawing doubles and triple teams, there would obviously be a an open man . Jokic ‘s assist come more from his vision than his scoring ability.

This man is doing gods work. I would drop everything right now to humbly serve as your understudy 😂😂😂

You’re like the Vsauce of basketball. Nice stuff

Interesting concepts! So well thought out. You obviously put a shitton of work into these

Love the channel, please do a JJ Redick breakdown!

This was a great video. I enjoy seeing stats contextualized, It always irked me when people would levy heaps of praise on Rondo for getting assists that anyone could get, vs. players like Bron or young John Wall that would spoon feed guys wide open looks by drawing the defense and kicking it out. Only wish I could see the season by season metrics and see whether it agrees with my sensibilities of which players are the best passers (Lebron, Jokic, Harden, etc.)

@tonyschimmoeller4439

4 жыл бұрын

This video downplays Rondo's playmaking ability though. He was elite at the creation part of passing as well. He didn't have the offensive game to attract attention like those you mentioned but he still created shots. In his early years he was more of a facilitate to the guy who creates but that changed as he improved. On a side note, I don't think players that drive and kick are really the best passers. It's easy to pass the ball out to an open player. They may be good playmakers or shot creators but that doesn't mean they are great at passing. I could pass to a wide open player if the entire defense collapses in on me. The best passers are the ones that create lanes that others are unable to create, imo

@ItsTheDark

4 жыл бұрын

Tier 2 Patreon supporters get access to all those metrics

@chriscc14

4 жыл бұрын

rondo is still a great playmaker tho

@willhooke

4 жыл бұрын

@@tonyschimmoeller4439 I guess this follows then. Not being a great passer (eye of the needle) doesn't mean you cannot be a great playmaker for your team. But instead of your hand/arm doing the work, you need to drive, or post up, and collapse the D, for the better look for your teammates.

@willhooke

4 жыл бұрын

It might have even been on this channel, but something I found very interesting was that there are three kinds of assists for a 3. Round the arc, drive and dish, post up. Throwing the ball around the arc got the least effective 3 point attempt - because Shooter has to twist to get aligned with rim. Drive and dish in between. Post up the most effective - because Shooter is already aligned with rim. So post ups, drive and dish, and mid range game are all still important, despite a simple "3 + layups" mentality that Morey Ball can cause people to assume is its conclusion. Fun times!

bubble heads are fantastic. the guy who made them is a true professional.

You're amazing. Thank you.

I love your work

It’s eerie how similar your breakdown of Rondo is to mine circa 2010. I had friends swearing he was the reincarnate of Magic Johnson and I always maintained its not hard to look that way passing it Pierce, KG or Ray

@sydneycole3180

4 жыл бұрын

Dennis Godman then why does Derek fisher average less than 5 assists a game ?

@dennisgodman2743

4 жыл бұрын

Sydney Cole Usage rate

This comment is for the algorithm. Great vid!

Your work is a gift to the basketball community . Where do you get the numbers from ? Please share

Very interesting video. I wonder if you've considered a stat that tracks passes leading to a quality shot that misses. It seems to be that the goal of a good offense is to create high-quality field goal attempts, some of which miss. For example, off a Curry/Green pick and roll Green makes a great pass to Klay for an open corner 3 and it misses, it is still what the offense was looking for, but there doesn't seem to be a stat that tracks offensive execution in that way.

Come back with this series!

1 minutes 20 seconds i immediately subscribing...

Ben would make an amazing professor/teacher. (Great video as always... how do you collect the data about missed passing windows? Is it by actually watching or is AI able to help?)

It's simple I see thinking basketball I click 😁

Thats a good analogy. A team of good passers makes a great team

Usually don’t get lost, but you got me lost in this video a few times hahaha

You are the BEST!!!!

DeMar DeRozan evolving his game to be an elite creator only adds to his value while extending his career. Awesome to see.

You are the real MVP

11:05 was I the only one who noticed the "net" pun?

I liked the video thought you'd talk about Westbrook bc all of his turnovers and assists, glad you talked about Rondo

@natsudragneel4144

4 жыл бұрын

If he talked about Russ I would have destroyed him by explaining with my counter argument

@buddyfats4768

4 жыл бұрын

Natsu Dragneel how so?

@kritav1111

3 жыл бұрын

@@buddyfats4768 Westbrook generates the most potential assists and potential points and passes per assist almost every year.

Bright future ahead for you

Ben this one is great as always but I do feel that for people who are pretty new to this, it goes a little fast. Not sure if it would be better as a 20 min vid or 2 separate ones

This same video at the end of lamelo balls career will be a masterpiece in my opinion.

I was waiting on this video to mention Nash because he was on the thumbnail but I got disappointed, remarkable basketball analysis as always, though

@Nerfgunninja

4 жыл бұрын

Deep Fried Lasagna look up his write up on Nash in the backpicks.com goat list

New fan!! I’d love to see you tackle steal responsibility stats... Steals forced vs steals collected... your thoughts?? Great Stat creation!!

Get this guy on the Lowe Post Pod!

I see thinking basketball video I click thinking basketball video

This would take so long, but can you do a top 10 list for every position at some point? Today or all time either one would be so much fun to watch

@qwikscopez6619

4 жыл бұрын

He's got a top40 all time on backpicks.com

@benk.9608

4 жыл бұрын

@@qwikscopez6619 awesome, thanks bro

I love this stat series you should do another. If you ever get into an argument about Kobe's efficiency. Just tell them this: Kobe career in the playoffs: 48EFG% MJ Career Playoffs: 50EFG%

Hi, is there somewhere that we can see results of all stats calculations that you did in your videos?

GREAT VIDEO

Teacher : What is the Pythagorean thereom Me : How the hell should I know, I'm not going use all this extra math shit when I'm an Adult anyways. I know how to count. Thinking Basketball : Oops !

@lionelsenga3752

4 жыл бұрын

well to be fair no Pythagorean theorem was used in this video, but statistical measurements (too many to list) were used(also sorry to destroy the joke ;;D)

@commentgod9445

4 жыл бұрын

@@lionelsenga3752 The joke just means that Thinking Basketball makes a good deal of us feel like we should have payed more attention in our are advanced math classes. It doesn't literally mean you have to know what a pythagorean theorem is to watch. the vid or fully understand it ... Or that they used it to get any of these numbers. Just means they use hella math and you gotta pay attention. I could have said "what's the square root of Pi" or any dumb shit that and got just as many likes. Good you know your math though.

@8:55 Man, I wish Yao had played more seasons. I feel like he was just getting going right when his body turned on him. Anyone agree?

@rpg23245

4 жыл бұрын

Sad that if Yao was injured T-Mac was healthy and vice versa but the team was still doing fine.

Ben Taylor, you're an absolute NBA Savant. Have NBA teams been approaching you for consulting? I know I would.

i love analytics (more of a hockey analytics guy myself but my favorite hockey stat RAPM is based on basketball RPM) so i love your content. raw box score stats are far from the entire story, same as raw goals assists and points in hockey

@dominic64tblightning24

4 жыл бұрын

dhsilv2 i’m talking about the hockey version of RAPM

I would like to see a ranking of top passer ratings of all time. That would put a better perspective on the beat passers that played in the NBA

@qwikscopez6619

4 жыл бұрын

he did one in his podcast infact if you scroll through these comments youll find the list however its more just the top playmakers not passers which ben differentiates

Could you do an episode where you take players like lonzo ball and put them in and compare people? I would enjoy seeing that kind of thing

I'm thinking about supporting on Patreon. Would it be possible for you to provide a sample of the spreadsheets you mention on your Patreon page so I can assess whether I would like sponsor?

Give this guy a few months and he will be signed by an NBA team for a huge sum. This guy is gonna change the nba

Hey I hate to ask but I gotta ask: can you do a video on Kobe? In case you already hadn’t

@qwikscopez6619

4 жыл бұрын

you should read his article on kobe

Creating open shots also related to good coaching and good play and good rosters/combination. How number shows these?

i'd want to see a ranking of this box creation its impossible though for old stats unless you manually count stats while watching old games...

@qwikscopez6619

4 жыл бұрын

you can regress the stat to other things to get a ball park, i personally think ben over penalizes passers in the 60s but it would still be a good estimation or atleast better than what we got

Best in the business

The problem that I have with the creation stat is that different coaches have different focuses on double teams. Other teammates also has a great effect. If you look at the example used with Kobe, of course he was going to get double teamed. He was extremely ball dominant and, other than his time with Shaq, he didn’t play with a prolific scorer. Looking at Rondo this way is flawed as there was pierce, Allen, and Garnett on the team. If Rondo was double teamed then one of the other players would be open. This was understood by other teams so Rondo would naturally have less “creation” according to this video. Just like most stats, an adjusted creation stat would need to be created before it could be accurately used to calculate its intended target.

What about hockey assists? Are those more useful than traditional assist stats?

I know this video is hold so you're probably not going to see this comment but what are your opinions on John Stockton then? He has a load of assists but from the footage I watched, it seemed as if his go to move was just to dish it out to the Mailman is the low post and have him do most of the work.