Between fear and deterrence: Can Europe defend itself? | To the point
Destroyed cities, power plants and critical infrastructure: many areas in Eastern Ukraine are in ruins. And an end to the Russian aggression is nowhere in sight. In the midst of the war, Ukrainian President Zelensky is lobbying for help to rebuild his country. He’s asking Germany for aid, but also for more weapons. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz is promising further support but wants to avoid an escalation of the conflict. Germany and NATO, however, must be ready to resist a war if things go wrong. We ask: Between fear and deterrence: Can Europe defend itself?
Our guests:
Nana Brink (Table.Media)
Daniel Brössler (Süddeutsche Zeitung)
Roman Goncharenko (DW)
00:00 Opener
03:00 The war in Ukraine: Are allies finally delivering enough?
04:30 Video: Olaf Scholz’s slow decision-making
06:15 Will Germany waste more time in supporting Ukraine?
07:25 Scholz will never make a decision unless it’s agreed with the US.
08:20 Will NATO send military trainers to Ukraine?
09:00 Is Germany’s fiscal policy a danger for Europe?
10:20 Are parts of the German population siding with Russia?
12:30 Is there still an anti-American sentiment in Germany?
14:30 Can the peace conference in Switzerland be the beginning of a peace process?
15:40 Video: How prepared is Europe for a war with Russia?
17:25 The military procurement in Europe needs to be improved.
18:00 Will Germany be combat-ready in 2029?
19:51 It takes Germany five years to deploy one brigade to Lithuania
22:00 How much denial is there still in Germany towards the threat of war?
23:00 Fighting a war is still unthinkable for many Germans.
25:00 Would Russia lose a war against NATO?
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A very famous line by Winston Churchill is,' you can surrender to a dictatorship for peace but I just don't know what kind of peace you are talking about.' WIsdom for Germans who suffer inferiority complex after WWII
@amalia_ag
15 күн бұрын
Churchill is the preferred "go to person" for Elites that like to quote a historical leader. But nobody tells us that Churchill was a ruthless racist, a supremacist. He came up with the Iron Curtain. Very democratic indeed.
@duncansmith7562
11 күн бұрын
Russia is not a dictatorship, unlike Ukraine, so Churchill's words don't apply.
@ryanwalters6184
11 күн бұрын
@@duncansmith7562yeah okay 👌
@krishminj6919
10 күн бұрын
Winston Churchill killed many Indians in British Empire era .Winston Churchill is not war criminal. West want to Putin war criminal.
@juozasaleknavicius7928
10 күн бұрын
@@duncansmith7562what? How they are not dictatorship lol. Its total fashist state with a leader. Read more and educate yourself more.
As a Finnish woman I do think it us outrageous that the border countries to Russia are the one’s who seem to be the only European countries who have to act as a shield for rest of Europe. I do hope Germany and all other countries step up militarily ASAP. I do not understand countries where citizens do not require their armies to be strong enough do defend even their own soil… pS. What is wrong with conscripton ? In Finland is has only a positive effect on the whole society. It brings young men from different parts of the country, different backgrounds and different socioeconomical standing TOGETHER, at a vulnerable age, it brings structure and self confidence for those who lack it and boys grow to become men. It is truly a glue that keeps society together and keeps patriotism at a healthy level. And it is very cost effective and really the most reliable way to have a good defense force. And yes women can take part too, but i would say our “ military” last for many years and it is called pregnancies and family leave taking care of babies and toddlers, which make a huge gap in our working careers.
@mgronich948
13 күн бұрын
Russia was not a threat to FInland, until it joined NATO.
@gyzq
12 күн бұрын
If I may, how old are you? FYI, there is bullying in the army just as there is bullying in schools.
@user-g5xnx7gjqb
12 күн бұрын
Are you really a Finnish woman, and not a Ukrainian bot?
@user-mc3lk3me2n
12 күн бұрын
I’m 27 and haven’t had a girlfriend in 10 years I don’t care about anything anymore
@ErikaRatilainen
12 күн бұрын
@@gyzq 44
I spoke to some Germans. For them the war is far away and they don't want to accept times have changed. It's more comfortable that way.
@Blanka1100
15 күн бұрын
They are lucky to border Poland from the east.
@freen3x3r
15 күн бұрын
Dont listen to this dude. The most germans i know are feared of war. And West puts oil in fire !
@eddastrohmayer251
15 күн бұрын
German people fear the war and are very umsatisfied with their government following US-war path !
@morrisonreed1
15 күн бұрын
@@Blanka1100 germany has hangups and embraced insane policies . Poland is very different .
@ademirrodriguez4209
15 күн бұрын
Enlist yourself WARPIG
Same Germany and Europe different crisis. Often Europeans lecture America to remember the lessons of WW2 especially her delayed participation in the fight against authoritarianism and evil. Like Germany and most of Europe today, America was not a party to the war in Europe for years and provided millions of dollars in military support, equipment and ammunition to the United Kingdom. After America declared war on the Axis allies, committed troops and suffered hundreds of thousands of dead American Soldiers, evil was destroyed and millions of people were set free. For over 10 years, Europe watched Russia invade Georgia and Ukraine, killed Ukrainians and annexed lands while radically cutting their defense budgets, forces and manufacturing capacity. For 75 years every American president criticized Europe's over dependence on America and insufficient efforts to defend herself. Today, Germany still imports Russian LNG and oil and needs 5 years to stand up a brigade in the Baltics and requires America to transport them their. The sad reality of human history, those enjoying the best lifestyles must suffer war first hand to motivate them to do anything about evil on their doorsteps.
@alwynlvv5429
9 күн бұрын
Europe will be in peace and prosperity if US stays out of Europe and dissolve NATO.
@robertduluth8994
4 күн бұрын
The soviet union lost way more than the 400,000 the amis lost. They also industrialized most of their allies. We should learn.
@joefenlon9162
Күн бұрын
This will be a huge learning lesson for Europe as well as the rest of the world
@506thparatrooper
Күн бұрын
@@robertduluth8994 soviets like the russians today have no regard for human life. Citizens are merely slaves of the state who die to enrich the ruling class.
@DH-vt3ql
Күн бұрын
@@robertduluth8994would have lost more if the Americans would’ve not supplied them and England. Probably with prolonging or even losing the war. Out of approximately 30 countries in that act, the Soviets and British received the most aid. Stalingrad would have not turn the tables.
Lol, five yeats to build up troops in the baltics. In 1934 five years could build an army that conquered half of Europe. The germans are lacking will.
@NoobGamer-sc9lt
4 күн бұрын
tiktok generation doesn't care besides the population in 1934 elected and even marching in the streets by tens of thousands to support the regime when there was a draft all say Ja keep dreaming
😂 No. They do not have the Will. Though to be fair Poland, Greece, and a few others are clear eyed about their adversaries.
@stephenhill545
15 күн бұрын
History will force them to arm themselves, whether they want to or not. America might not be there.
@tedcrilly46
14 күн бұрын
Stephenignorant647
@ricardosmythe2548
12 күн бұрын
The problem of motivation disappears if Russia forces the issue by threatening a nato state. European powers are a sleeping giant
@Tomx0101
11 күн бұрын
The Brits may be able to handle it. Rest of Europe is like a soft pretzel
@tedcrilly46
11 күн бұрын
@@Tomx0101 fortunately russia has no teeth.
No one can bully you unless you show sign of no guts!
WE are Not ready! WE want Peace, now and forever!!
@NotUnymous
9 күн бұрын
Who is this "WE" that you're talking about? Are you Legion? 😂
If Europe want, they can defend them for sure, and they must do it from now
@gchvjbjchxx
9 күн бұрын
Europe is now the largest importer of Russian natural gas
Europe will be ok.
Godspeed and god bless 🇳🇱
Europe has the potential to defend itself against Russian aggression, but it will require significant investments in military capabilities and a united political will to do so. Russia believes Europe is divided and lacks the resolve to stand up to its aggression. If Europe had been more united and resolute in mobilizing its military potential at the start of the war in Ukraine, the conflict could have been brought to a swifter conclusion. However, post-Cold War complacency has atrophied Europe's defense capabilities. Ultimately, European governments must be willing to pay the price for rearmament, and populations must be ready to defend their homelands. Making it clear to Russia that Europe has both the capability and will to resist aggression will be crucial. Without a credible deterrent, the cost of containing a resurgent and revisionist Russia will only grow.
@logician3641
15 күн бұрын
A deep cut for the beloved "Social Programs" of the Europeans?
@PropaneWP
15 күн бұрын
@@logician3641 The Russian economy is a fraction of Europe. We are already building the necessary factories.
@divisiona3974
15 күн бұрын
@@logician3641probably not. We see cuts in spending on financial aid and programs in Africa, the middle east and so forth. But it's unlikely that we will see cuts in spending on social programs, health care and the likes. But it will be interesting to see. We will see how the EU Parliament will form the following weeks and know a little bit more.
@logician3641
15 күн бұрын
@@PropaneWP You're gonna need em...
@PropaneWP
15 күн бұрын
@@logician3641 You sound bitter
I just love how the sound accompanies the beginning of the show. Berlin Style 😊
Russia needs to be forced out of Ukraine
@eddastrohmayer251
15 күн бұрын
CIA needs to be forced out of Ukraine then Russia will follow !
@Blanka1100
14 күн бұрын
@@eddastrohmayer251 Russia must stop blaming USA for every russian failure. And Ukraine decides on its own. It is not soviet backyard anymore.
@eddastrohmayer251
13 күн бұрын
@@Blanka1100 If a country allows CIA bases on its territory it is not sovereign any more ...
@berndgertzu6361
13 күн бұрын
@@eddastrohmayer251 wtf have you been influenced by
@eddastrohmayer251
13 күн бұрын
@@berndgertzu6361 ???
Where is Boris Johnsson?
@inthendwealldie
15 күн бұрын
Boris was the PM 2 years ago, the new PM is Rishi Sunak. These days Boris is now I think a backbench member of parliament
@yllbardh
15 күн бұрын
Boris Yeltsin?
@eddastrohmayer251
15 күн бұрын
@@inthendwealldie He has a lot of blood on his hands ...
@mihaicozma4054
15 күн бұрын
In London and every week he fly to USA. 😂😂😂😂
@lappo2534
15 күн бұрын
In his basement with a lil kid most likely
Learn from history and don't make the same fear based mistakes of the late 1930s. Stand up against the despot Putin without fear, isolationism and appeasement, before it's too late. Support 🇺🇦
@eddastrohmayer251
15 күн бұрын
Zelensky-bot
@PavlovsDog-kl8mo
15 күн бұрын
@eddastrohmayer251> you damn right I am. But to put it more accurately, I am a self funded anything anti-bully bot. And I would even stand up for you if someone invaded your home and stole your children. Now, please, tell me what it is that you stand for?
@eddastrohmayer251
15 күн бұрын
I stand for diplomacy and peace!
@zolandia5262
15 күн бұрын
@@eddastrohmayer251Your "peace" is just Putin's military solution
@eddastrohmayer251
15 күн бұрын
@@PavlovsDog-kl8mo I do not defend aggression or a dictator ! Has Austria defended a dictator when chosen Neutrality? No, it has chosen peace, security and full sovereignity for itself!
Sometimes the Best Defense is a Great Offense.💪🏽
@amalia_ag
15 күн бұрын
Ukraine has just proved that last year in Rabotino.
The certain tension, frequencies of sound, with the shade of nato-blue ... pierces the brain. We really have progressed since the days of a tube TV and flashing of the subliminal messages... no flashing distractions, bleeding colours, lines, and weird artifacts... up to a point, well rounded and squared.
The EU has about 2 million *active* army/navy personel. Of course we can defend ourselves. Then there are the reserves.
@johnadam2885
15 күн бұрын
Doing a NATO drill is not the same as fighting Russian army. See how NATO ran away from Taliban 4 years ago. Cowards cannot fight.
@esQmo
15 күн бұрын
You won't and cannot defend yourselves. America has convinced you that you were nothing without them
@summer031977
15 күн бұрын
When was the last time Europe defended itself? Having soldiers and knowing how to fight is not the same. Just ask Russia.
@thegreatdane3627
15 күн бұрын
@@summer031977 when was the last time the US, russia or China had to defend themselves? None of them have fought against a peer since ww2.
@RazorMouth
15 күн бұрын
@@summer031977 yeah just ask Russia, 2 years in and they don't seem to be learning.
Well after all upgrades in their military equipment absolutely but it’s more important not get under impression of weakness by failing to analyse own potential and prevent that happening!!!
The caption referring to EU's fear was all wrong. Europe hates the Russian annexations & missile attacks on civilian homes, it wasnt a reaction out of fear. They act in unity to collab for the purpose of deterrence. The EU are all out giving the go signal on Ukraine to hit military targets inside Russia while the rest of democracies calls for Russia to abide by the UN charter & rules based order.
Defending Europe is the one thing and attacking Russia is something else
@robertsmith5744
15 күн бұрын
China will own Siberia within 20 years.
@PhilipZeplinDK
15 күн бұрын
No one is attacking Russia, Ivan.
@ricardo3699
15 күн бұрын
Unless they attack us first@@PhilipZeplinDK
@grigol101
15 күн бұрын
@@PhilipZeplinDK Germany actually declared war on Russia. German weapons along with German instructors are in Ukraine. Russia will find a way to respond.
@hhKJgf1M8a0rzt8hP
15 күн бұрын
why won't russian banks allow people to access their money?
Europe? One of the wealthiest regions in the world, home to some of the top 10 most important countries. Of course it can defend itself. The question is: WILL it defend itself? Does it WANT to defend itself? That's the point.
@pin00ch
15 күн бұрын
Its all about getting mentally prepared to go it without the U.S. We see Trump coming and need to realise that we can and should stand on our own 2 feet.
@olivergarcia2304
15 күн бұрын
@@pin00ch Spot on!
@cristinaximera9663
15 күн бұрын
Without the US the EU top 10 most important countries will first be at each others throats again. There will be nothing left to defeat.
@bgdabg6769
15 күн бұрын
The question is not Will we defend ourselves. The question really is DO WE HAVE ANY ENEMIES OR DANGER at all?
@user-ct7mw9yu6n
15 күн бұрын
@@bgdabg6769Well a man called putin bombed neighbor country for more then a decade and makes nuclear drills I don't know ? You tell me
In this comment section: Badly written Russian copium, as usual.
@avex3903
15 күн бұрын
the kidnaped ukrainian men and the ones dying on the romanian border after zelensky's bandera regime mined it agree with you nafo bot 🤗
@tylerdurden4006
15 күн бұрын
Search "ukrainian organ harvesting law" and see how the west is literally butchering ukrainians for profit...
@tayler2396
15 күн бұрын
@@avex3903 He was talking to you, Ivan.
@JG-xi4tu
14 күн бұрын
Indeed
Yes
Europe must stick together, be strong and get stronger! We’re all in this together ❤️ 🇪🇺
@amalia_ag
15 күн бұрын
No kidding? Where are you writing from? And who is "we"?
@nerin3624
14 күн бұрын
No we are not.. sober Lithuanian here
@troy66777
14 күн бұрын
@@amalia_ag German, how about you? This is Deutsche Welle after all, should have figured that out for yourself 😉 “We” meaning non-Russian Europeans.
@amalia_ag
14 күн бұрын
@@troy66777 Non-Russian Europeans are not "we". "We" in your mind are the vassals Europeans, the sycophants of Ursula vdL. If you are German, you should know more and better. But if your first name is Troy, I got it.
@troy66777
14 күн бұрын
@@amalia_ag I do know better, at least better than you apparently. Where are you from “Amalia” (if that truly is your name 😉)?
Yes.
5 times more people, 10 times higher GDP and A LOT more factories. Why wouldn't Europe be able to defend themselves, maybe a bit slow but when everyone changes to WARTIME "settings" war equipment kinda has priority over a "not crucial" things like a car or a plastic slide or dinner plates or a chair... Like we are not even trying now to push military equipment, we are trying to keep the "happyhappy joyjoy setting" while helping Ukraine.
No objective person believes Europe is prepared to defend itself. Not materially, not psychologically, not politically. Exceptions are the Baltic/Scandanavian countries and a few in Eastern Europe.
@tedcrilly46
14 күн бұрын
They cant beat Ukraine. Day 840.
But dont worry , Russia is running out of missiles since 2 years ago and are fighting with shovels. Theres no reason to get panic. 😂
@piotrmalik4908
14 күн бұрын
Russia is runnng out of its conventional missiles, but obviously not nuclear missiles...
China had land disputes with Russian for hundreds of years, then realized that you can't choose your neighbor, you have to deal with it.
@Jimmy4video
15 күн бұрын
They are waiting till Russia is at its weakest, then they will "resolve" the land disputes.
@bogdanmeleszczenko1271
13 күн бұрын
China will get back his land in time- but current focus is /Taiwan and Russia is useful as junior resource partner ( for now).
@user-g5xnx7gjqb
12 күн бұрын
Read Ukrainian media in Ukrainian and you will find out that Ukraine wants the collapse of Russia and lays claim to the southern regions of Russia and Siberia.
Defend against who?
the analysts looks like they are trying to reassure themselves 😂😂😂
@ricardosmythe2548
12 күн бұрын
Europe has a military budget 5 times the size of Russias. Has far more active duty troops, more numerous and more advanced air and naval power than Russia. Russia is bogged down fighting a single Eastern European country. If Europe took the gloves off it would absolutely batter Russia
@RobBrody2999
10 күн бұрын
They also look like they have investments in arms manufacturing.
How about asking some ex-military folks instead?
@zawiszaczarny7876
14 күн бұрын
Becouse western media is dominated by propagandists, not specialists.
As an American, I wish more leaders would think independently like Macron, not Scholz. We need allies who can be ALLIES, and look us in the face so we can reason TOGETHER.
@tayler2396
15 күн бұрын
Macron says the right things, but France's contributions don't match the rhetoric. Germany is doing better than France so far.
@ErikaRatilainen
14 күн бұрын
That is like the only good thing I have heard him say EVER, so otherwise i would not trust him to be a good leader, i believe most people of France actually agree with me. I liked him until I started to really look into him and what he says. He also has the problem that he thinks he can speak for the whole of Europe, although he only represents France. I see him as unreliable and two-faced, so could not trust him as a leader. Regards from Finland.
@drache3019
14 күн бұрын
Macron wants to send Nato troops to Ukraine, which is likely to escelate the war to a nuclear one. Scholz is trying to protect humanity from ww3 so I don't really get your point.
Yes we can
ukraine joining nato in any near future depends solely on the fact whether the usa wants to be dragged into direct conflict in the very near future or not. So usa will not hurry at least for few decades and wait for current crop of ukrainian leaders to retire from politics. The ukrainians have shown that they have it all to drag the americans into direct war with russia so the americans will handle the ukrainians carefully and not provide ukraine membership of nato.
The guy on videolink talks about peace negotiations in Switzerland and says that two very important countries will not participate, and the most important for peace negotiations is Russia, which will not participate in the peace summit in Switzerland, is this guy normal?
@Percival5
15 күн бұрын
His nomarl it just you who's a fool, how can you have peace summit without Russia?? Two parties must be there not just ukraine
@bgdabg6769
15 күн бұрын
Russia is maybe the only country really needed for talks about peace. It can be done without any other country including Ukraine but not without Russia
@benkeeley7612
15 күн бұрын
It’s an Orwellian “Peace summit” that clearly means War.
@markojuric4954
15 күн бұрын
@@Percival5 He did not even mention Russia in the context of peace talks in Switzerland, and without Russia no talks make sense. I don't know why you are replying to me with an answer that I have already written.
@garystewart3110
15 күн бұрын
Eventually there will no longer be a Russia
Europe can only defend itself if all nations work together but if they fail to do there is no chance against Russia
@JohnnyMacaw
13 күн бұрын
yeah sure LOL Russia won't use nukes
Defend itself against whom?
Astroturfers and tankies coming to the comment section in 3... 2... 1....
No thanks 2 Mercle
where is the independency and conscription and for whom .
I don't see this resolving without an escalation, and Scholz' conciliatory remarks are naive. The question now is what sort of provocation would be sufficient to justify that to the people of democracies at stake? Where is the conflict threshhold?
They should understand compromised issues, it doesn't depend on them, it's not what they want at the moment. It's what they have and what they should do, pressing to fight to desmis the compromises will lead them to be suide for starting a war because they don't want to fulfill their compromises.
💔
Wrong people at the table to clarify this question
But what fear ?!! Europe gave not fear !! You have fear not Europe!!
@stephenhill545
15 күн бұрын
Afraid of who?
The answer in short: No.
@ricardosmythe2548
12 күн бұрын
Your nations military is a joke internationally. Cope.
I feel everywere should do the question pamphlet to see who is able to fight if war breaks out just ask feel me do it everywhere so we have some idear?
Playing with FIRE😂😂😂
Defend can be through many other possible ways beside military power.
We don't think about our own security being involved in unsecured acts.If they don't want to fight why are they fighting? Why do they blame Russia and send weapons to Ukraine, what are the weapons for?Russia is on it's protection, why do they press them to fight.why the pressure to fight? Russia never started any fight.
No way
Seriously! FAFO!
No, not unless it is a fully integrated effort, wagding war in the 21 centrury is beyond the means of 20th century nation states that work together on a ad-hoc basis.
Europe had a lot of tiktokers and youtubers so it's yes!
Putin was right about Germany. He said that Germany is never an independent country.
@user-ct7mw9yu6n
15 күн бұрын
And what has Russia gained in its genocide war against Ukraine 500 000 death soldiers ?
@staris12
15 күн бұрын
So Germany is only independent if it is friends with Russia (currently destroying largest country in Europe) and adversary to USA? Otherwise it's USA puppet? Yeah, that's some logic.
@olivergarcia2304
15 күн бұрын
Putin is a person dreaming of grandeur while robbing his entire nation for the past 20-30 years. Putin isn't correct in any analysis of Germany in any metric whatsoever!
@gchvjbjchxx
9 күн бұрын
In the entire NATO, only France has relative independence, and the other countries are just puppets.
Brah I recognise that intro music from PlayStation 1 demo disc
II really believed Germans are sensible people, but they obviously are not as a collective. My son will not fight for Germany!
@jeet125
15 күн бұрын
Then surrender to putin is the best option.
@denisgorjunov304
15 күн бұрын
No one is threatening Germany except biased CIA TV.
@eddastrohmayer251
15 күн бұрын
Right, stay all at home and no war will take place!
God bless Olaf Scholz.
there goes our tax money 😡
Germany yeah you're right 😂😂
Scholz says "no child born in Germany will face war" 😅 If Germany keeps track on current pace, no child will be born ever again...
@jeet125
15 күн бұрын
No they will not face war, bcoz this Germans will surrender to Putin instantly without having a second thought.
@hhKJgf1M8a0rzt8hP
15 күн бұрын
comrade, have you tried going to the bank?
@luxubukid
15 күн бұрын
That give me Chamberlain peace for out time vibe.
@ragesmirk
15 күн бұрын
Putin is a wanted criminal
Olgino isn't sending its best in this comment section
when they say ukraine wining...what do they mean by that or how does ukraine victory look like??
@gchvjbjchxx
9 күн бұрын
The glory belongs to Ukraine, the core assets belong to NATO, the occupied lands belong to Russia, and the Ukrainian people have received huge war debts. In summary, Ukraine wins.
The reality is having the pomp and pageantry of woke soldiers and reservist with decent salaries and benefits is one thing. Forcing a conflict that has the potential (as we have seen in Ukraine) to consume a hundreds of lives 'per day' is beyond sitting down with crossed legs having a fire-side chat.
Can Europe defend itself? YES!
@jesusaguilar4585
15 күн бұрын
Can it defend itself without the military of my country, the United States of America?
@AlexandruVoda
15 күн бұрын
@@jesusaguilar4585 It depends, but the answer might still be yes. Even in the horrifying scenario of Trump wining and then blocking any USA contribution to NATO, Europe still has far more capacity of everything (industrial production, people, international relations, finance, technology, etc.) compared to Russia. Enough to overshadow Russia several times over. The major issues are unity and political will. An Europe that lacks unity can be picked apart piece by piece. An Europe that doesn't have the political will to fight back will just lose. Just like the USA militarily now acts as glue between Japan and South Korea, they did the same for NATO. And I would argue that, in the post-Soviet period, playing this role was more important to NATO than the military might itself that the USA has (a majority of NATO's military might).
@georgekung2003utube
15 күн бұрын
day dream
@NurBull
15 күн бұрын
Istead of spending additional 1% of GDP for defence give 0.5% of the GDP to Ukraine.
@Milianaire
15 күн бұрын
@@AlexandruVoda Europe does have the industrial production, people, international relations and tech. However they do not have the will to fight, eastern europe sure but europeans in general have zero will to fight and die. Russians however don't even care if they die fighting, thats why youll lose. Americans at least still have people who will and want to fight. Good luck o7, but im sure uve never served and never intend to, because the typical european mindset is someone else will do it. I will be happy to be proven wrong
No, let everyone invande, pay everything, give a place better than the people who help building your countries have and learn their culture, because it worked perfectly in their countries
From the positive point, every country is back to support Ukraine because they realize that Putin threat is real, and they must deter as much as they can before the threat come to their own land but, on the other hand, every country in Europe is preparing to defend themselves , even Germany consider themselves that they need time to strengthen defense until 2029 , let say 2031 for every Europe countries to prepare themselves The question is "What will happen when every Europe country is well defensed and ready for the war?" The main objective of supporting Ukraine is to deter Putin threat as much as possible so that Europe has time to strengthen defense. but now Europe is Ready for the war ... it will become the time they let go of Ukraine ... It is the sad truth 😟 Ukraine is just a poor Pawn between the West and the East
Peace now you bloody warmongers!
War is not about weapons (!), but about the readiness of a nation to fight. In 1940, in a few weeks, Germany defeated the British-French troops, which were twice as large and better armed. If people are not ready to fight, nothing will help the nation (or Europe). So far, the only nation in Europe that can fight is Ukrainian.
What? Are we gonna help rebuild Ukraine so that when Russia wins they’ll have a shiny new country? 😂
Nope
Imagine a war and no-one shows up.stay home people, don't get involved.
@quentonhorton1053
15 күн бұрын
Blasting John Lennon
@amalia_ag
15 күн бұрын
People in Europe were bullied during Pandemic by their governments that now want the same bullied people to go fight for Lindsay Graham (for example). One young man, when asked two years ago if he would go to war to fight against Russia, he replied (Pandemic was not over officially): "If it's online, I would go".
@solconcordia4315
13 күн бұрын
@amalia_ag Ukrain's drone pilots are "fighting online" against Russia's invading army in Ukraine. One doesn't have to be physically in the battlefield with Russia's invading troops in Ukraine to be fighting them.
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Europe? Russia even takes years to conquer Europe ukraine? Thats insane when you say Europe 😂
NO
Against whom? Ottoman empire?
Slow agony
"I'm comfortable", lol she's comfortable with WW over in 3 minutes. Deranged.
"Loan" HAHAHAHA! We'll never see a cent of that money ever again.
@ragesmirk
15 күн бұрын
It's Russian frozen money😂
@anssiluomaranta34
15 күн бұрын
@@ragesmirk he is right though - russians will never see that money ever again... 😁
there can only be peace if the non-occupied parts of Ukraine can join NATO. otherwise Russia can breach any "peace deal" whenever they want
DW- "An end is no where in sight"......wasn't it just a few weeks ago that Putin offered peace terms?
Nobody wins We will all die.
I really wonder how the men of Germany feel about such cloaked conscription. Both Russia & Ukraine has had (and I suspect continue) to deal with defectors and dodgers. Interesting.
More than 2 years into the war and Russia only manages to occupy 20% of Ukraine and that is at massive losses The question is can Russia actually attack Europe? Meat wave assaults only work if you have more people than the people that you are attacking
@patrickcowan8701
15 күн бұрын
And why does Russia want to invade Europe. It actually seems europe is trying to invade Russia.
@jonluberio5109
15 күн бұрын
Russia is fighting NATO not Ukraine. How many NATO special forces have been killed by Russia? Russia doesn't want to take over Ukraine but destroy it. The main goal is archieved. There won't be Ukraine in a years time and NATO can't win this war against Russia. NEVER.
@michaelwilson9921
15 күн бұрын
Russia has zero interest in attacking Europe. Putin has stated that over and over. But he did attack Ukraine. Why? Because back in 2007 he announced his red line. Which was that neither Georgia nor Ukraine would ever be allowed into NATO. And no Putin doesn't want all of Ukraine. Read the Minsk Agreements or what was negotiated in Istanbul to verify. His main goal is Ukrainian neutrality.
@TheoOosthuizen-xs2nq
15 күн бұрын
All that is true, but what must be taken into consideration is that Ukraine doesn't present an existential threat to Russia, if European countries get involved it will be another matter and it will get nuclear. So if you want to die for US interests go ahead.
@bgdabg6769
15 күн бұрын
Obvious lies. They are not treath, or media/ governments lie about their losses.. not to mention why we raise that question, why would Russia attack anyone in Europe. Maybe we provoke them so we are expecting it? Anyway, many obvious lies that bring us to the great danger and we already have great price for our intentions. Billions are gone + prices are higher for random people.
Be aware of China threats.
Czech Albatrosses Jets trainer jets please!
it could maccers
Strait out no
Its never going to be enough for the freeloaders. Ukraine's military leaders lack a clear strategic plan to take their territory back.
If i live in Spain, why should I be worried 😂😂😂 I'm too far with Russian border it's your problem 😑😑😑
Europe is not in position to fight with Russia. Middle East problem and Saudi Arabia not using Petro dollars this war will be very costly.
where are those comments.
Russia can’t even beat Ukraine! What does any other country have to worry about? Russia can’t fight!😂😂😂
@RMIDRIS
14 күн бұрын
Well, Ukraine have lost about 25 percent of their land.
@giorgossof21
13 күн бұрын
Most ignorant comment online
Can Yugoslavia defende itself from german attempt to break it aprart ? And an end of german agression is no where near , so germany go to war first time since 1945 . on sovereign country SR Yugoslavia in 1999, laik it did in 1941 .
@naskutak
15 күн бұрын
They are hipokrate. they did not change sense 2 world war.
@amilaperera1
15 күн бұрын
Well said
@bck481
15 күн бұрын
What are you babbling about
@olivergarcia2304
15 күн бұрын
stevanjakovljevic Germany ... Germany... Germany... but Russia good. Brainrot much?
@antebratincevic6764
15 күн бұрын
@@olivergarcia2304 I am from the former Yugoslavia and I can only tell you that Russia never occupied Croatia, where I live, but Germany did.
EU leaders are confident they can win the war against Russia. The simple thinking is if Russia can not take down Ukraine in 2 years, then there is no way for Russia to win against EU.. Seem logical but Russia has lot of nuclear bombs. I hope they don't misinterpreted the wars and underestimate Putin.
Reaction or panic.
@SanjayKumar-ei4sn
15 күн бұрын
Panic due to lack of collective society
@eddastrohmayer251
15 күн бұрын
Warpropaganda following sillyness!
Did east germans not learn their lesson from ww2 divison ? They were super happy not to be under russian control... do they now haev stockholms syndrome or something ?