I find it crazy that so many Australians and Brits still don't get that Peugeot has really levelled up big time since 2012-2014. Now they are on same level as VW. It takes intellectual honesty to admit it. It seems that so many of you are stuck in the past. Peugeot nowadays is a mid premium car maker. About the price, those who complain need to get that ALL car manufacturers are increasing prices. Wait to see Audi or VW prices for 2023, I can assure you that you'll be crying. Peugeot offers fantastic value for money. Same quality than German cars for 10.000 or 20.000 less. Do the math. And this comment comes from a German car engineer.

@mirkozlikovski9553

Жыл бұрын

no, though I absolutely agree with what you say about Peugeot, is - seeing the material quality of VW ID.3 & Co - sadly slightly difficult to agree with. especially about the perceived quality levels... I wouldn't really agree about it, since practically all current models of ex PSA brands (including Opel) surpass what we can find in ID family (and even Golf) by "a mile"! especially by the DS, and Peugeot too.... while their reliability numbers are near one to each other for quite some time (at least a decade)! in fact ( I'm 56 years old), I owned and drove a bunch of PSA and VAG (mainstream and premium) cars, and I never considered (or experienced) Citroen and Peugeot as particularly inferior brands to VW! each of them had (and still have) its own "focus", strengths and weaknesses that consequently leveled them to the point where "personal taste and preference" basically becomes deciding factor. so, "looking down" on Peugeot as "unworthy brand" is a short sided "bar counter" logic...

@waynezheng7629

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry but if it's VW quality and VW price, then there is almost no reason to buy the 308 over a Golf. Leaving everything else aside, the crazy depreciation alone should be enough for anyone to think twice about buying anything Stellantis.

@garnray8568

Жыл бұрын

@@waynezheng7629 what a sheep you are. The 308 is so much better than a Golf, you sheep, how can you not see it is just beyond me

@mirkozlikovski9553

Жыл бұрын

@@waynezheng7629 hm... more or less everything depreciates as a falling rock... I owned Audi A4 B7 that, when I sold it after 4 years, lost over 50% of its value (and no, low mileage didn't help) and something rather similar happened with my previous gen. P508SW.... what if the reasoning should go "if it has similar or slightly better quality, similar reliability, similar price and similar depreciation, why wouldn't you buy the one you like better?

@charlesdr1981

Жыл бұрын

Peugeot own Faurecia who make interiors for Audi and VW.

the power department is lacking for a 50k+ car.

@Valkatron

Жыл бұрын

Same feeling from me. They are probably wanting people to choose the hybrid over this one.

@satanslittlehelper3

Жыл бұрын

Save up and look around for a Diahatsu Charade Turbo which could go on club plates now

that wagon looks beautiful 👍👍

That matching green jacket is almost Olivene Green! This car has taken a while to get here but it seems it was worth it. I'm impressed by the light weight of this 308 which is a bigger car than the previous model. That interior looks gorgeous and it appears that the software is now well up to date. Apart from their sport GTI models (which now appear to be history in the petrol line) Peugeots have always been fantastic cruisers. I remember my old 504, 505 and 406 only had about 100 kw with no turbo, but lovely to drive. BTW, that blue paint job on the wagon is beautiful. Also, I believe that there is a fold down rear armrest on the hatch but not the wagon.

@Mexxx65

Жыл бұрын

Pity the PHEV is the weight of a small tank.

The matching polo shirt is working nicely

This car (especially the wagon) would be unbelievable if it had just that little bit more performance (especially for its price)

I remember in 2021 when new Tucson and sportage arrived, they used to be 58K on road for top models

Had a chance to drive one in syd, it drives really smooth with 8 spd but bit engine noise and 1.6 hybrid only avavailable with hatch..then more expensive

1.2L 96kW 3cyl for $55k is a bit of joke though tbh. Nice design but.

This car is a real looker. But, I have to echo the other comments 1.2L & 96kw. Yeah, nah!

Going back to amazing, arguably best balanced in class, driving dynamics and icockpit was a game changer with 308 T9, a line that was once broken with terribly dull 307/308. Once you try the small precise steering wheel there's no going back, any other car will feel like a bus.

For the price, I think it should be at least a1600cc, turbo charged engine . Fuel consumption would still be acceptable. Remember the old power to weight ratio. As an example: Back in 1974, our Ford Falcon 6 cylinder sedan, was not as economical as the the 302 V8 Windsor engine, due to the fact that it's increase in power worked less to pull the same body weight around. So the same could be said of this Peugeot. 1200 cc against a 1600cc Turbo, Granted, there would be a slight increase in overall vehicle weight due to the larger engine, but I wouldn't think that'd add up to much in much higher petrol consumption, if any. A well appointed interior, good road presence, stunning green Olivene colour. Love how it reacts in sunlight. Excellent presentation, thanks for sharing...

Mmm I do like me a sexy wagon...$50k for those outputs is pretty steep though and I kinda worry about the post-purchase support. Bloody shame there's no gti in wagon guise

I love it! 🤩

Hi Tom, is the 360 camera live or 'pre-recorded' like the 508?

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

It’s actually live this time around.

@kakoiigaijin

Жыл бұрын

@@chasingcars Thanks and thanks for the reply.

I had a test drive of the 308 GT it’s beautiful inside and out. But the engine just lacks. When pulling away from stand still there is a delay. So forget trying to get out into a small gap on a busy road.

By the way, a torsion beam rear suspension has far less problems and long term durability than any multi link suspension. Mazda tunes the torsion beam in MX-30 and Mazda 3 where there’s no noticeable difference from personal experience.

I love the design 😊, moreover, love the design of the new Prius😅. I just wish brands such as Toyota design a funky retro quirky small car like Fiat 500 or Mini.

I prefer the look of the T9 308 actually, much more elegant and timeless design with the beautiful diamond like DRL's, has more presence than this new one. But I do LOVE that green, WOW! Another strange omission is the lack of fold down armrest with cupholders in the rear. T9 308 had it, why not the new model!! Especially at this price!! I think its way overpriced now with this engine in it, it should be GTi performance for this money!!

@mirkozlikovski9553

Жыл бұрын

that's probably because the back rest of the wagon he was in folds in 40:20:40 segments and the central part allows you the access to the boot and transport of longer items, but is most likely too narrow to fit a decent armrest with cup holders in it...

I really like this. Both the moustache and the car.

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Tom it's a shame you didn't review the rear seat of the hatch, which would have less space. Who buys wagons these days anyway? You correctly mention the low weight however recently I drove a 2015 308 Access (base model) manual which weighed around 168 kgs LESS than yours with the SAME mechanicals. Was the most impressive car I have ever driven and it was worth about 20% of the cost of the new model you reviewed. I'm not sure this car has really progressed much and I think the older one looked better.

Wish we had this in the States, either a hybrid or a high horsepower model. We don't get hatchbacks or wagons in the USA which sucks. Only gas guzzling SUVS. Maybe things will change when inflation hits 20%. (IT alteady has)

It looks beautiful ❤️

At this price, I don't think I can over look the Full electric Rear wheel drive MG M4, yeah its Chinese but its got impressive UK reviews. When the Electric version of the 308 comes it will probably be competing with the Cupra Born as well.

Nice car and nice country side. Where is that place?

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

South coast of NSW.

I wonder why they didn't use the 114kw/240nm version of the 1.2l turbo that the 2008GT uses

@mirkozlikovski9553

Жыл бұрын

because they are pulling this engine version out of production.... not really sure why

@renardargent6487

Жыл бұрын

@@mirkozlikovski9553 Whilst they're at it, pull that model off the shelf & re-design that awful, bulbous front end into a design that doesn't look like it's too big for the rest of the body work which in turn make the windows look smaller than they are.

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

That would be sweeter, wouldn't it.

Since when has Ned Flanders been reviewing for Chasing Cars?

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

Since 2012

Strange review, mainly testing the hatch but using the wagon to highlight rear seat space, some other reviews highlighted noisey rear suspension when running 18” wheels. Unsure where Peugeot in oz are heading, is the operation profitable? Do they honour warranties? Autorai international have a good 7 minute review on differences between base and hi-spec models in Europe, i guess someone will review the aussie base model sometime soon…

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

“Do they honour warranties” - warranties are legally binding and backed by Australian consumer protection legislation. Brands don’t have a choice in this matter.

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

Sorry you found my work strange, Greg.

Is that the hired help at 13:58?

I'm skeptical about manufacturers calling cars premium I suspect they have material left over from higher trim levels that they are no incorporating in their regular cars charging us extra for what didn't cost them any extra to begin with

55k used to get you a decent Golf GTi or base model Golf R

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

Used to!

@wheresmycheese8511

Жыл бұрын

Still gets an I30N premium

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

i30 N Line remains an awesome deal. Mazda 3 G25 is too

Looks great inside and out, but it does sound a little underdone power wise. A shame you didn't do 0 -100 and 80 - 100.

The local distributor can't catch a break, can they? They waited for over a decade to finally have some attractive products only to price themselves out of the market for both the 2008 and now the 308. It certainly doesn't help that the Japanese Yen and Korean Won are both so weak at the moment, making logical mass-premium competitors like Mazda thousands less.

I tried a Peugeot a while back and just couldn’t work with that steering wheel. No matter how I adjusted my seating position, it always obscured the instrument cluster. So typically French…

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

Fair enough. Works for me, though.

@Luckie666

Жыл бұрын

I read about all of that. But when I tried I could easily see the instruments over the steering wheel.

Such a bizarre decision to launch a 96kw $55,000 hatchback. Who are they aiming this at. The usual Peugeot customer will struggle to get in and out. It won't suit a family due to size, and the younger buyer is not paying $55,000 for 96kw.

@jhref

Жыл бұрын

How won't the wagon suit a family?

@davidperry3531

Жыл бұрын

It all comes down to power to weight, which is only 1265 kg , to give sparkling performance.

@wheresmycheese8511

Жыл бұрын

@@davidperry3531 0-100 in 10 seconds is not sparkling performance

@wheresmycheese8511

Жыл бұрын

@@jhref because the wagon market is dead and there's 100 better SUV options for $55,000

@davidperry3531

Жыл бұрын

@@wheresmycheese8511 It’s not all about the time to 100 kph (9.7) but in the general driving and how low in the revenue range does torque take effect. My Mi16 recorded 9.2 and that was considered a hot sedan in its day.

Wish I had the money for the wagon

Have all the ex Honda Australia staff gone to Peugeot I'm sorry 1.2 litre for that price is a joke

@unclebanga5976

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure all the German companies have engines from 1 to 1.4 litres with very similar outputs and for much more Money. So whats ya point? How about driving the thing rather than looking at the spec sheet for a change. Just a suggestion.

@renardargent6487

Жыл бұрын

@@unclebanga5976 Exactly what my petrol-headed son keeps saying to me :/

Great looking car, fuel economy.Sure, it hasn't got stacks of power, less is more sometimes

I owned 207CC, 308 and 407, also drove a 408 oversea. I do like the driving dynamic although sometimes would think if it could be a bit softer. The interior and equipments are alway great for the money but the reliability of the engine, especially after ages, that can drive you nuts. After years maintaining and replacing parts, I learned quite a lot on how to fix a Peugeot via forums all over the world and do seeing they refining the design of parts when buying parts. I believe those engines should be pretty reliable now but I have already losing my trust in it and the price of spare parts could easily match the premium euro cars all even exceeded. The lack of hot hatch version make me feel like the brand has lost its sporty heritage. For this price, there are too much choices and if premium is the way to go, the branding is not there yet. Are they really believe that the name of Peugeot worth extra 10K?

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

Malaise era Peugeot product isn’t much to write home about. EMP2 changed a lot.

@cloudsu007

Жыл бұрын

@@chasingcars I think they should name their engine in the way VW dose to show ppl the upgrade they have done instead of repeating "1.2T puretech". (I know they got code names but no one really cares about that)

I love the 308.....super hi tec....hi quality....asthetic....different....i have a golf 7....definitely better then golf 8 Nice r3eviewby the way..... And please....PEUGEOT don't do same crap loke Toyotas.....no hybrid craps... 96kws are enough people. My Golf 7 hs 92 kws.....thats more than enough....i can not take the most of it......there is coppas and camaras everywhere!!,!

The only real downside of this car is the wet timing belt system with all the known issues.

Peugeot 🥰

For that price it needs to be at least a PHEV

@wheresmycheese8511

Жыл бұрын

The phev will be $70,000

@renardargent6487

Жыл бұрын

Hope I'm wrong but, with Pug France, Oz & Ateco believing it's a "premium" brand, IMO $70++ will be nearer the mark :( @@wheresmycheese8511

It’s gorgeous. But that steering wheel is a no from me.

What are they smoking - can I have some? 😲

Lovely looking car and I’m sure 1.6T out of 408 would be nice however a green estate/wagon 1.2T just perfect 👌

I might get a used BMW 530 d manual

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

Sure, why not?

The equivalent of a Vauxhall Astra or Toyota Corolla. Actually a nice car if you live in France. Not so nice in Australia where the dealer network is absolutely POOR if you have an issue and God help if you need a spare part. When in Paris do as the French. Just not applicable in Australia or USA. I would really take the pragmatic alternative from Korea or Japan.

@bigchief2331

Жыл бұрын

I own a Peugeot in Australia and there is no issue at all getting parts, and plenty of independent mechanics around. I had a fan controller fail in my car, got it diagnosed at the local indy, part delivered and fixed the same day. There's also a very good dealer in Sydney called Continental who have knowledgeable staff at the parts counter and keep good stock. I do agree experience at the dealers can vary substantially but that goes for all cars, I prefer dealing with independent workshops as they are usually cheaper and more knowledgable.

@airlinesecrets

Жыл бұрын

@@bigchief2331 That would be fine with an older Peugeot. The most modern examples need dedicated diagnostic equipment

@bigchief2331

Жыл бұрын

@@airlinesecrets mine is a T9 308 so it’s not old. The diagnostic equipment and software is available to anyone, they use the same system that Peugeot dealers use.

Kiama/Gerringong gods country... :) Again, being a peugeotphile, any comment I leave here, will most probably be tainted....green..... I don't think the 308 was/will ever be a big seller in AU, seems to be in the middle of nowhere market in AU with far too much better competition..cheaper. And for all its great exterior looks, interior is just as bad as the previous 308. I am sure the 308 interiors works for no aussies. And just like Mazda is doing, flogging off an antiquated torsion beam rear axle. Not a decent multi-link rear like some of its competitors. Tom didn't Peugeot give the keys of the SW "Estate" Wagon to any journalist at the launch? Possibly a 308 Estate full EV or PHEV, might have some interest here. We shudda got the new 208. Great market segment for Peugeot to be in here in AU. And it wudda sold like hot-cakes here.

Good luck getting in and out with that low steering wheel. Also good luck with french reliability.

Hi all, in regard to the comment about the interior not working for anybody, having driven the last generation 308, just drop the steering wheel to it’s lowest position and adjust from there. I am 187 cm(6’2”) and the instruments are clearly visible. As for the statement there are cheaper competitors, true but not better. Nothing from China is worth buying. What save in the purchase price will come back to haunt you in the long term re. reliability after warranty, weird interiors which fall apart and corrosion.LDV, Kia/Hyundai, GWM all poorly assembled with not a hint of style. Prices have risen so it’s a fact of life.

I hate Peugeot's DRLs. They're enough to have me disregard their entire lineup. I find them so distracting. I don't mind those colours though. Peugeot call the wagon colour, Avatar Blue, but it looks green in every single shot.

@BennnWJK

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. The DRLs are insanely overrated.

Anything is better than a VW product

$55k for a miserable 96kW??? Peugeot is nuts.

Underwhelming for the asking prices. Also, being a Euro it will have soft brakes meaning 4 new rotors and pads at around 40,000 kms @ $1,700 or so. No thanks

@peterries3340

Жыл бұрын

My 308 is on 160,000 km and rear brakes untouched, front pads and rotors changed at 120,000 and cost around $700.

How the hack is 1258KG consider light XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD???????????

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

It’s extremely light for a new car in 2022.

$50k and the rear view camera looks like it’s from a Nokia 6500

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

Huh. I thought the new 360 cam was half decent.

@wheresmycheese8511

Жыл бұрын

New camera looks fantastic

We'll start from the start 😂

“Leather feels like the one in a vehicle double the price” erm…. Like an S class or what? Bentley level peugeot already….

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

An S-class isn’t $100K. Try a Genesis.

Insane…. Peugeot is as premium as day is night….

@garnray8568

Жыл бұрын

Ridiculous comment. I am German, been working in the car industry for 23 years , mainly for VW group, as an engineer, I think i am qualified enough to tell that Peugeot now is considered as mid premium in continental Europe, and moving fast to become an upmarket brand. They have dramatically levelled up since 2012-2014. Design is just absolutely stunning, interior very stylish and they offer better value for money than anything the German car makers do nowadays. It's time to understand that people change, companies and brands change as well and it's incredibly unfair to keep judging Peugeots based on what they were in the 90's, since they have improved so much. Time to stop living in the past. Come to Germany, Austria or Switzerland and you'll see Peugeots everywhere.

@mirkozlikovski9553

Жыл бұрын

true, Peugeot is not (yet) premium for us here in europe too....but it's not that far off and its models in their top trims sure feel like it is (I should know since I have last gen 508, and I had a couple of A4 before it).... but the funny thing is that at things you "down under" consider premium, we here wouldn't give a second look! so, judging things by "the taste or preference" isn't really a measure of quality....

@georgealex19

Жыл бұрын

@@garnray8568 I also worked in the automotive industry, but not for 23 years (kudos to you), I’ve also been to Germany with work to fix a bunch of showstoppers. But I have also been in the market and bought new cars and you are really wrong when saying Peugeot offers better value for money than any German car, considering current prices. One simple example: the audi a4. You can get, for what Peugeot is asking, a very decent Audi A4. I am saying this because Audi offers discount packages and slashes the price, while Peugeot gives you a couple of grands discount and that’s that. So sorry, but Peugeot is not worth it. And if you’re so familiar with Peugeot, how come you don’t recommend Citroen or DS as premium cars since they’re the more upmarket brands in PSA? Citroen’s 30% more expensive in terms of parts and service, yet you tell me that a 308 is worth €50k? Really? Then how much should DS be worth? Which actually have outstanding styling and interior materials? €70k? You know what, at the end of the day it’s your right to do it so please, as a German, go ahead and buy the 308 at €50k while I as a foreigner will buy your Audi A4 fully loaded for the same amount 👍

@georgealex19

Жыл бұрын

@@mirkozlikovski9553 I agree and the 508 indeed has been a more upmarket model. But it’s miles apart from the 308…. And if you look at the used market, the 508 loses most of it’s value, you can pay €35-40k new and end up selling used for €8-12k…. While an equivalent A4 will go for €18-22k…. Great for the used buyer, I guess.

I don't think I will trade in my 100Kw, 400Nm Turbo-Diesel 307 Wagon for an overpriced Daihatsu Charade

@chasingcars

Жыл бұрын

Unusual sentiment coming from a Peugeot person. Usually your kind understands these cars better than most.

I’m glad consumers have a decent choice of cars, but I would honestly rather just play it safe and buy a Cerato, i30, or even an Impreza.

@bigchief2331

Жыл бұрын

What is there to play safe about?? Peugeot's are very reliable cars these day, and significantly nicer than any Korean alternative or the dated Subarus with thirsty underpowered engines and noisy CVT's

@renardargent6487

Жыл бұрын

@@bigchief2331 Agree. "noisy" = droning CVT

@vs6300

Жыл бұрын

@@renardargent6487 and frail

I rather just get i30 N

@bigchief2331

Жыл бұрын

Peugeot make much nicer cars than Hyundai ever has or will

HAHAHAHA!! 96KW!! ZOOM ZOOM!

@mirkozlikovski9553

Жыл бұрын

why wouldn't 130 hp be enough for a car that weighs 1200+ kg?

@bearhood2004

Жыл бұрын

@@mirkozlikovski9553 if u used that kind of logic, why human build turbo charged engine in the first place? why build engines with much higher horsepower when 'just enough' engine will do?

@mirkozlikovski9553

Жыл бұрын

@@bearhood2004 why? because we can! and because on some odd occasions they serve the purpose, because they really are needed..... but... what does all this have to do with the fact that 130 hp is simply enough for the normal, every day use of the car by the average user/owner?! I agree it's not enough to chase Nurburgring records, but that's hardly this car's purpose...

@bearhood2004

Жыл бұрын

@@mirkozlikovski9553 bla bla bla....go on then buy the car $50+ with 96kw engine.

@mirkozlikovski9553

Жыл бұрын

@@bearhood2004 no, thanks... I'm quite happy with my 2.0 l, 163 hp diesel 508 SW II... 😜 (but just to put into perspective.... it weighs almost 1.6 T and have rather similar power to weight ratio as this 130 hp 408)

Underpowered...no thx

Its not efficient if it needs 95 octane

It's just too ugly.

@glenncole7721

Жыл бұрын

Get yourself to the opticians ASAP. Your spectacles are broken.

pReMiUm... 😂😂😂😂🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮

I just bought a Mazda cx30 for my wife for $38K it has heaps more power than this crap and it has 2.5lt engine.

@wheresmycheese8511

Жыл бұрын

Yet has similar performance, heavier on fuel, less features and ancient design

@mirkozlikovski9553

Жыл бұрын

@@wheresmycheese8511 ....and is completely different type of car

@unclebanga5976

Жыл бұрын

Ya cx30 only wishes it was as nice as this. This is much better looking and more refined. But I guess all you care about is power, like most Aussies.