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I feel like they are off on the price point here. You can get a Furitek Lizard for $50 and a Komodo Micro brushless motor for $35 which is less than this package. You can also upgrade it with a bluetooth to have an amazing amount of control. Unless they add bluetooth and more ability to adjust the settings, I just feel like we are going to see this on clearance in a year or two. It might be worth it to buy it then.

Thanks for the review and overview. Always a good view.

Thanks for the video I just ordered one of these for my ax24 I’m very excited great turnout ✌️

Always good to have more options

This is awesome! I have always liked spectrum products!

The instructions that come with this kit are worthless. Nothing about how to connect to existing 2in1. I would have never got this to work without this excellent detailed video! Thank you so much

I added the furitek with Bluetooth and a spectrum receiver. Now I can drive my 6s Typhon, Losi 22s drag car, and my Scx 24 bronco with my Dx5c remote.

Interesting. Nice to see some more options in the micro brushless area. I may have to try this out!

@rcdriver

Жыл бұрын

Options are always good! Thanks for watching bud!

@shanehall8447

Жыл бұрын

Yup more options, more better.

@wootwootjr

Жыл бұрын

​@Shane Hall more options isn't always better. Inrunner with no esc tunability? Waste of money

@shanehall8447

Жыл бұрын

@@wootwootjr depends on who you are and how you build

@shockman8014

Жыл бұрын

Options that compete are indeed nice. In what way would this compete? Price? No. Performance? No. Programmability? No. Better than stock? Not in any of the ways listed. Maybe in longevity? I don't know. If it lasts 4 times longer than stock electronics at 4 times the cost I think it a wash. My V2 stock electronics slow crawl better by the looks of it but maybe this has more torque at slower speed.

Very cool!!

I'll wait for hobbywing to do it right with their own branding and specs. 3s is a must for me.

@2fmrc

Жыл бұрын

Yesss! Someone with some sense here lol

@Luke-en2tk

Жыл бұрын

I'm quite surprised they haven't already

@tarantula-man

Жыл бұрын

Yep

@ka4172

Жыл бұрын

I hope for waterproof motor.

@redndeyes

Жыл бұрын

@Luke I've asked a while back they said they are working on expanding to smaller scale support soon, no time-line or any other details given. Maybe now that this garbage is out of their line the can start on theirs.

Nice system

For a receiver, I'd recommend checking into micro receivers, such as those intended for Mini-Z. There are receivers for Spektrum, Futaba, FlySky, Sanwa, and others. As for the connector, one could either use an adapter, or switch the ESC's connector.

Finally something other than the Furitek stuff. Props to Horizon for this.

For $90, I'm dangerously tenpted to throw one into both my scx24s... My gladiator already had the reciecer swapped to the "older" unit.

Nice,

It's cool to see someone else jumping in the brushless 24th scale crawler sene but between furitek and and mofo i dont think its gonna be as big of a hit as they think id love to see it take a 1-3s not only 1-2s none the less its cool that its sensored

@R_Long

Жыл бұрын

Lookup Dinky rc ESC, a serious SLOWCRAWL attempt on Furitek's FOC. I hope Mofo will start carrying Dinky rc ESC. Nick talked about it enough.

@Br0rB

Жыл бұрын

It's probably gonna sell really well, to people that aren't that into the whole 24 scene yet, and don't know you can get way better stuff for almost the same price.

Give this a try in the carisma msa monster truck you checked out a few months ago if you can i think thats a pretty good fit for this system, if a bit pricey of an upgrade maybe.

Thanks for the review! I'll admit I was a bit underwhelmed with the slow crawl performance & noise, however I've been spoiled with Furitek Lizard Pro ESC w/ FOC and MoFo RC SMP & BAM brushless motors

@rcdriver

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Yeah, it’s not a system that will appeal to the experienced modeler which is why I took a basic approach to the video. It’ll be a fine easy drop in for those just looking to get a little more consistency than the stock setup.

@Br0rB

Жыл бұрын

@@rcdriver That could be achieved with just a better brushed motor though, for way less money. And stuff like the Furitek options are about the same kind of level of difficulty to install, but has way better slow crawl and bec.

@rcdriver

Жыл бұрын

@@Br0rB And if someone doesn’t want another brushed motor? There isn’t a one way only rule in building a model. Options are good. I love my Furitek systems but 2 of the 3 systems I own required extra work to get them hooked up. Not everyone has the skills or knowledge to do that. It may be simple for you, but not everyone. I’ve been doing RC media for over 30 years. I constantly see first hand how basic products like this one are necessary in the hobby.

@Br0rB

Жыл бұрын

@@rcdriver I would think that if people that have a 24 scale crawler and want something other than brushed, they are already a step up from being just a casual driver, and would know about some of the other options already. I think it's more like that their hobby shop will be pushing this setup, rather than a nice brushed motor. Given that I haven't tried this combo, it's hard for me to say that my brushed setup is better, but just from watching the video, I'm pretty confident that my stock v1 SCX24 with a 050 Injora pro motor can crawl slower than this, and just as smoothly. And that was a 10-15 Dollar upgrade. :)

I wonder if it would work in any of the 1:18 FMS stuff?

Good drag break? Have you removed the worm gears then?

I have the furitek and cost more, this firma micro combo according to the video is good value, not super slow but is enough

How hard is it to fit in the Betty ? And would you buy it and why

$90? I just got the fusion se 1800kv for $70. Seems a bit steep for micro electronics that have no programmability.

I think all crawlers run too fast when you reverse them. Is there a fix for that ?

I know it’s an old vid but I’m thinking of getting this for my gladiator. I do have a fair bit of weight it’s got metal axles wheels links gearbox shafts an all the other injora bits an bobs will it still work well with all the weight with it being sensored because atm I am still runing the stock motor an it’s chronically underpowered

I guess they got tired of furitek eating their market share. I might get one. Edit: I think the furitek is worth it for the tuning ability and being able to run 3s.

@joeycarlson9589

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! Also shouldn’t need to be sensored to work well.

@ethrrr

Жыл бұрын

you could also flash am32 to a hakrc esc and buy some cheap plane|quad motor :D ..scx24 upgrades are waay overpriced, honestly I am surprised that they didn't asked 130 for this combo :D

@JUSTHAVEFUNRC

Жыл бұрын

@@ethrrr yeah i agree but a lot of it is paying for the convenience. The brushless system in my trx4 (fusion se 1800) costs less than this and around the same if I bought a new program card.

@JUSTHAVEFUNRC

Жыл бұрын

@@joeycarlson9589 I don’t think the furitek are sensored but they communicate with the esc. Idk if it’s the FOC but the furitek can go suuuuper slooow. This seems barely smoother than a longer can brushed setup.

@praetor47

Жыл бұрын

pretty much everything currently available in the aftermarket is a better buy than this PoS

Would it work in a kyosho mini z 4x4

I bought one. Direct replacement and u can use the standard battery.

Is it waterproof? i dont rhink so with open motor case.

Mofo rc is the go to for scx24 motors ROP and SMP for the win

How fast can it go?

So it wont work with the blue rx trucks with out changing the tx

Wondering if this esc can be plugged into my Flysky Noble receiver as I do not use the stock Axial esc/receiver combo?

@rcdriver

Жыл бұрын

It should. So far I tried it on a Flysky MG7 and Futaba 4PM. Works fine. It seems the only hookup issue is with the 2-in-1 RX/ ESC combos that don’t have the channel 2 port.

Do you know Greg, will the stx3 with telemetry radio systems work with this esc/motor combo?

@rcdriver

Жыл бұрын

The old STX3 with SRX300 receiver? That’ll work as its a standalone radio system. The only compatibility issues are some of the 2-in-1 RC/ESC combos that don’t have an option to use the channel 2 port to plug the new brushless ESC into.

Ya. That motor is now in my pit fan…I finally found a place for this motor and esc that makes it proud.

An interesting option for sure. Looks like it still doesn't hold a candle to the Furitek system though.

@rcdriver

Жыл бұрын

It’s a step up from stock, but no, not on the Furitek level.

I think people talk trash about this because it does not fit their needs or meet their expectations. This is a good option for someone how want to keep things simple and functionnal. Personnally I don't care about BT chips and million settings. I run brushed and it suits my needs well. Even running 2s is enough for my needs. That said, id be interrested to see this setup on a built rig on a outside rock crawl course. To see how the low crawl control can be.

@rcdriver

Жыл бұрын

You hit the nail right on the head. It’s a shame some are so hyper focused on their “ways” that they don’t see something may be useful for someone else.

@ALL_OFF-ROAD

Жыл бұрын

Id like to see this system on an outside course, id be interrested if they slow speed is good and has good punch.

Will you show us a motor that doesn't cost as much as the rig? I like these little things cuz they are cheap and small. I dont want to spend the price of a 1/10 scale(after upgrade cost) to make it a little better. There are just so many choices I'm afraid I'm going to choose the wrong one, there must be a decent 50 dollar range motor. I just dont know enough to know which it is.

Not being 3s compatible is a deal breaker for me. Too bad though, it would’ve been nice to buy anything else but furitek

@redndeyes

Жыл бұрын

Just wait hobbywing will make their own

@Luke-en2tk

Жыл бұрын

​​@@redndeyes small scale RC cars is about the only category Hobbywing don't do brushless stuff for

@Calcapwn300

Жыл бұрын

@@redndeyes I'm hoping! if they can do an option thats waterproof and programable from the card, i'm all in. 2-1 would be even better! after all, there isn't a lot of room in these little rigs.

@redndeyes

Жыл бұрын

@Luke I reached out a few weeks ago they gave me no time line but did say something was in the works. With this garbage spektrum of their hands I bet it's any day now

@redndeyes

Жыл бұрын

@@Calcapwn300 read what I replied to dude above you

I wonder if this will fit into the FMS Atlas 6x6

@Griller1977

Жыл бұрын

You're gonna have to change the pinion and likely fabricate a motor mount.... Plus it's not much better than a stock system. The slow crawl he showed in this video didn't look any different than my ax24 with a 66t Injora brushed motor on the stock electronics.

@Br0rB

Жыл бұрын

Furitek has a setup that will be a straight swap for the stock Atlas 6X6 system (as well as the Enduro/Hobby Plus/RGT/FTX 24s).

Decent price but probably splurge for the furitek if I were you.

Do you think that it would work in the UTB18 capra?

@rcdriver

Жыл бұрын

No, way too small of a system for a UTB18.

@redndeyes

Жыл бұрын

Hobbywing coming... just chill. I bet they gave spectrum 1st sales on this mediocre unit. Wonder what they have in store with their own branding.

@2fmrc

Жыл бұрын

Not with that bec. Probably barely runs the 1/24s

I would only go brushless for more wheel speed...... If it's the same, what's the point .

@rcdriver

Жыл бұрын

Power consistency. Where the stock brushed system can stall, the BL system will maintain a smooth consistent progression.

This slow control looks terrible compared to the furitek. Even when i run 3s, i can go 4 times slower and way faster when i want

Looks good but that 5 volt .3amp BEC it has is going to be a problem. Might work fine with stock servo but I have a feeling even an E max servo might blow that BEC. Honestly the slow crawl you demonstrated was not that impressive . Granted this was a quick review. Thanks for posting it.

@daylightdies7194

Жыл бұрын

I’m about to find out lol I’ve bought this due to cost the furitek is £150 in the uk that’s quite a lot

@BeauFPV

7 ай бұрын

im with you on that one bro,at the end of the day they are just so small i dont think you need a lot else. all this programming shit aint needed unless you want to look cool or live in the USA lol@@daylightdies7194

Will it work in a trx4 m?

Im still a brushed holmes hobby v2 electronics guy but they are getting closer on price 65 bucks for a system and I'd be a team brushless guy lol

@mikellewis2346

6 ай бұрын

I have a holmes hobbies 66t 050 motor in my scx24 deadbolt, and want to see if it will take 3s for more wheels speed when needed. Do u run yours on 3s ??

@rcjoe406

6 ай бұрын

@@mikellewis2346 no never felt the need for 3s on a 24 rig . I run the power fans motors off Amazon now I take the stickers off the motor for heat get a 2 pack u will be impressed for the 18 bucks 👌

I have a thing on using licensed products straight out the OEM and going as far as I can , even when thing break I replace with OEM. Also , I don’t crawl my scx24, they aren’t designed for it .. they are designed to be trailed / overland driven .. you can fully upgrade the rig , which is nice , to make it into a crawler but honesty I think I would rather buy a direct crawler designed for the task then upgrade it to make it better . People get into trouble when then try to turn something into something it not designed for and I guess the trouble would be the constant $$ and failures

@BearcatRC

6 ай бұрын

serious valid point my friend. but what is a real "rock" crawler then? (newbie here)

@Daniyoyo

6 ай бұрын

@@BearcatRC are you referring to 1/24 scale ?

i'll just stick to my furitek setup

@ba_dupri78

Жыл бұрын

Same 😂

@demise138

7 ай бұрын

I will too when i could find one in stock

It feels weird being first.

@rcdriver

Жыл бұрын

It’s ok. These things happen 😂

$90?!?!

Nowhere near the control of furitek. Disappointing

still noisy!!!!!!!!? new transmitter and reciever if you have new scx24... No buy from me

what an absolutely idiotic product! pretty much the only reason why you'd want a sensored inrunner over an outrunner is the waterproofiness... which goes out the window with a huge hole in it. the tiniest, smallest outrunners currently available will outperform this tiny puny dinky thing with ease. hell, i wouldn't be surprised at all if the plethora of 050 brushed motors with a decent brushed ESC [and the V2 in the gladiator/bronco qualify] would actually be better, because there should not be any doubt a decent 130 will eat this thing alive then there's the question of the 1-2s capability, the noise, the small underpowered pathetic BEC, etc etc etc i thought FINALLY some competition for Furitek... and all we got is a useless PoS that's worse than the small sensored inrunners that have been available for a loooong while now [Hobbywing... or lots of other manufacturers if you go shopping in the MiniZ aisle], which kinda suck for crawling

@Griller1977

Жыл бұрын

The kicker is that Furitek just dropped their newest 18\24 scale ESC today also. The pro version is 4s capable and can run 2 full size HV servos at the same time, with Bluetooth built in. This is just so lacking it's ridiculous.

its all too small for me to work on it, ill stick to 1/10 for my part

Wow... It's the same as a $10 stock motor... 🤔

@rcdriver

Жыл бұрын

No, it offers more consistent power control than the stock system.

This is Horizon not market researching the hobby again before releasing this. these will not sell good.

@Griller1977

Жыл бұрын

Especially when they drop the same day Furitek drops a far superior system that's 40\70 amp with up to 4s. Lol, I know it's just the ESC from Furitek, but this video doesn't look any different than stock to me. If the motor can take more than 2s it might be worth pairing with the Furitek, but as far as I'm concerned the ESC is trash.

@KT_One

Жыл бұрын

Same for the EXC 1/24 Barrage I was excited to buy. And then found it wasn’t set up for crawling at all. Sold it a few weeks later.

@rcdriver

Жыл бұрын

For sure the “experienced” hobbyist wanted more. But what the experienced fail to realize over and over is that they don’t make up the majority of the RC world. They are the small (vocal) chunk at the top of the RC pyramid. They’re so engrained in their segment they block out the bigger picture. The big portion is general to occasional enthusiasts who are the majority owners of small crawlers for fun. This system is for that crowd and who I reviewed it for. Is it better than stock and help them crawl more consistently in a easy drop in package? Yup. Is it the best thing out there? Absolutely not. It’s just another option for someone to consider.

@OutlawFarmersRC

Жыл бұрын

@@rcdriver True. I am used to working in a Hobby shop that caters to crawlers. I would say most of my customers already know by watching YT what they are looking for. about 10% don't. These are for places like Hobbytown style catch all stores.

@allyoucando8486

Жыл бұрын

​@RCDriver_Online What you say is right, Furitek is the main only option for the best performance, but for those that want something, don't break pocket this one, or keep the stock system

That's pretty fast for being the lowest speed, and it's quite dissapointing that it's paired with such a weak BEC. Sure, it's nice that it's fairly easy to install, but so is the Furitek stuff, and that seems so, so much better than this. My Furitek rigs have way, way better slow crawl and a stronger BEC that will handle much better servos than stock or Emax - and it's not that much more expensive either. I don't understand why they would release such a underwhelming product, when they could have done just a little more tweaking and made something that was on par with what is already available. I guess it's because they know they can push it to people that don't know better, and that will pay too much money for something that could be achieved by just buying a better brushed motor for way less. In my book that's pretty shady.

@rcdriver

Жыл бұрын

For sure the “experienced” hobbyist wanted more. But what the experienced fail to realize over and over is that they don’t make up the majority of the RC world. They are the small (vocal) chunk at the top of the RC pyramid. They’re so engrained in their segment they block out the bigger picture. The big portion is general to occasional enthusiasts who are the majority owners of small crawlers for fun. This system is for that crowd and who I reviewed it for. Is it better than stock and help them crawl more consistently in a easy drop in package? Yup. Is it the best thing out there? Absolutely not. It’s just another option for someone to consider.

@Br0rB

Жыл бұрын

@@rcdriver Absolutely, the majority is the casual hobbyist. And for them it's easier to just get the stuff from the same brand, that I'm sure most hobby shops will be pushing. It's more that they are getting a "weak" product, compared to what others offer. Sure, it looks nice and has a better presentation and packaging than Furitek (which is basically the only one-stop shop for a nice Brushless combo for small scale), but would it have killed them to up the specs a little? I'm sure they will be selling a lot of these, even though for most people with even the tiniest amount of knowledge about how to use a screwdriver, they would manage setting up a Furitek pretty much just as easyily as this.

I see Horizon has dropped the price to $50 on sale. Still not worth it.

@rcdriver

5 ай бұрын

Still not worth it to the experienced modeler. But what the experienced modeler forgets, chooses to ignore or is unaware of is they don’t make up the majority of users in this industry. The general fun haver does. People that bought RC for simple fun. Bombing around yards; occasional users. For them this system is fine for a swap from stock. I’ve talked to plenty of shops that have sold a bunch of these and it’s always the same story. The fun-havers buy them and it works for them.

@BreydonsRC

5 ай бұрын

@@rcdriver I see no benefit of this system versus dropping a PN Racing motor in, which gives the truck loads of power and much better slow crawl performance than stock for $52. From what I have seen and heard of the Firma system, it has terrible slow crawl performance. I have seen two types of people in RC since the 80's. Those who work on their RC's, and those who dont. So I don't see this system selling unless hobby shops do as hobby shops do and push inferior products on their ignorant customers to make a buck. Likely installing this system for the customer to boot. The point is, it's an inferior product for the money. I'll be surprised if they don't discontinue it, or do a complete redesign to better compete with Furitek. The huge sale on this ESC kinda shows that to be quite possible, as I have seen other products from Horizon follow the same pattern. Huge sale, then bye bye.

Not slow n smooth enough sorry

Spektrum is the Apple of R/C. 🙄

@TheLastTater

Жыл бұрын

100% 😑

@Griller1977

Жыл бұрын

But Apple actually works.. It's not for everyone, but it actually freaking works! This is like selling a Mac from the 90s as a new and innovative system.

@jakeboxhero

Ай бұрын

Overall it’s more horizon hobby is the Apple not just spektrum

Too little too late imo.. the 24th scale scene is very dead in my area and spektrum is trash overall.

This is kinda a half baked idea. Only gen 1 electronics will work and you can't tune it?......Really?🤯

@Griller1977

Жыл бұрын

Half baked? Nah, these engineers are from California and have way too much access to get fully baked! 🤣🤣

Yeah no!

Do not buy this junk

This spektrum firma micro is junk brushed motor is much better

Horizon Hobby junk....AGAIN

Naw, I wouldnt suggest those at all as most are looking for more control for their scx24. Furitek or go home. None of my customers will have that in their scx by my suggestion, and I would advise against it..

Haha.... spektrum must have just gotten out of the pool! What a let down......