Bethel or Beth-Hell? Q & A Show
Chad Davidson and Joe Schimmel continue discussing our "Bethel or Beth-Hell?" series and add some more important new details as well as answer some of the questions that came in after our series aired. We also spend the last half hour answering other questions from our live audience.
To view our complete 4-Part series on Bethel, visit the Playlist link below:
• Bethel or Beth-Hell? 5...
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No one on earth can answer questions faster than Pastor Joe Schimmel. Hi spits out scripture like his ABC's. God bless him
@NextLevelTruth
2 жыл бұрын
He’s on point for sure
The basic difference between Christianity and witchcraft is that Christianity is based in "Thy will be done" while witchcraft is based in "my will be done". The former is humility, and the latter is pride. Humility is the root of all virtue, and pride is the root of all sin.
@nitsuanomrah6997
2 жыл бұрын
Well said, thank you
I have so enjoyed this series. Would be soooo interested in a Disney series. Thanks guys, you're such a blessing. x
@andybis3251
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah Disney Nightmare...definitely Wolves in Sheep Clothing !
@NextLevelTruth
2 жыл бұрын
Agree I’m recently realizing Disney owns like.. everything 😕
That little drama skit to end racism was about effective as Kenneth Copeland ending coronavirus.
Too many apostles and not enough servants! We need healing and tender hearts to reach the lost and wounded.
Magic. Spells. Witchcraft. Unbelievable. Repeat it three times, louder the last time, make a decree, use a magical prop (the staff). I got saved out of stuff like this - the occult.
The show starts at 3:24
@1songbird7
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, God bless you 💝
@juliemayes2027
4 жыл бұрын
ressa thank you xxx
I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!❤ You a well grounded scriptural basis for your criticisms. I knew bethel was bad, but wow! You guys real dug deep and down to where the cow eats the cabbage. Thank you sooooo much.
This is very disturbing. Heavenly Father please help the people who are deceived by opening their eyes to Your Truth. Heavenly Father we can't give You anything Lord, You are the creator of All things in the heavens and the earth and the seas, everything is Yours. Your mercy and goodness endures forever, Lord please help the blind to see how truly beautiful, caring and loving You are by Your grace and mercy are we able to come to You by the precious blood of Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior. Thank You Jesus for Everything.
@juliemayes2027
4 жыл бұрын
TheBlubunni Amen
@inTruthbyGrace
4 жыл бұрын
"Heavenly Father we can't give You anything Lord, ..."
Really great descriptions of BSSM (Bethel School of Sorcery and Magik).
Recently just came out of NAR church , im so grateful for this videos . This is just plain which craft , whe I was like 16 they where demons at my house , every day at 3 am they will bang loudly at my wall 3 times , this is an insult to trinity . When this woman hit the floor 3 times I remembered what used to happened at home. We must expose them! . Please keep adding videos like this 🙏
Thank you guys so much for helping to expose such fraudulent doctrine. I know your motive is love for the Gospel and a burden for the souls who are caught up in the satanic dragnet called the "NAR," of which Bethel Church is the flagship. I pray God will bless your efforts and grant many of said souls repentance unto salvation and knowledge of the truth in Christ Jesus.
GFM thank you so much this Q/A session, it was very helpful. God bless you. Amen
God bless you Men of God for keeping our eyes open!
"Streamed live 7 hours ago " Unfortunately I was in my bed asleep.. Love what you're doing!!! God bless Good Fight Ministries ♥♥♥
Great work as always! Excited to hear you are doing some videos on the occult influences of Disney. Continue to tear down these idols and worship in spirit and truth! God bless!
TIMESTAMPS Bethel witchcraft onstage 5:10 Should we appoint ourselves apostles and then decree? 12:49 Can you be a partaker of a spirit? 23:19 What spirit is behind Bethel? 25:19 Is there significance to precise occult practices? 29:26 Todd Bently and the ministry of BAM! 40:34 Can angels minister to us? 43:11 Grave soaking? 55:54 Are you dividing the brethren coming against Bethel? 1:03:49 Should churches play Bethel music in their worship? 1:08:58 How should i go about telling a church leader that Bethel is not good? 1:12:52 What if somebody says they feel uplifted when listening to Bethel? 1:18:55 Q@A Who are the two witnesses in Revelation? 1:23:44 Did Jesus call us to be Christians? 1:35:22 Has the first seal already been broken? 1:38:10 Is it ok to sing Disney songs in worship? 1:40:10 Did Jesus bear our emotional and physical pain through his atonement on the cross? 1:44:24 What is your definition for a modern day prophet today? 1;49:18 Do you have to wear a head covering as a woman? 154:47
@ingela_injeela
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@eeg122
Жыл бұрын
TY.
Brothers I love how you bring the truth of God's Word with the Scriptures. And exposed darkness in Jesus name
It took me a couple of days but I've finally been able to get through the series. Now I am beginning to understand why they asked Jesus, "who then can be saved?" Jesus said, "what is impossible with man is possible with God." Luke 18:26-27 May God richly bless you and your children for the work you have done and continue to do. All the glory be to God.
I love you two, plus John Macarthur.
I couldn't get past it when I learned they hosted a spiritualist who came and they set up a sort of fair with fortune-telling booths and tarot cards with "Christian" icons and phrases on them. They even decorated like a fortune telling tent and did a whole event surrounding it. Crystal ball and everything. Later, they even put out a press realeade about it.... They said it wasn't factually their people but thay they supported their causes and they would not condemn what they were doing.
I love this one too! I believe the same that God still does miracles not like the false teachers say that happens. You guys explain it so well! Your videos are good to share with anyone and I have shared them with friends. Easy to understand and you guys show scripture to back up your points. Thank you
My heart is broken for the sbc. The Baptist Church in general is circling the drain. They are not taking any steps towards Biblical Literacy, in the ones I've been part of. Their is an epidemic of Biblical illiteracy in these Baptist Churches. I hate it, but most don't care and are not willing to put time into God's Word. "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed (of Biblical illiteracy), rightly dividing the Word of Truth", 2 Timothy 2:15 says. God's Word is Awesome and It is worth studying. This is how I develop intimacy with Jesus. The Man that took away my cocaine addiction. Thank You, Lord!!
I went to a small church of 50 people in the Chicago area that is part of the Evangelical Covenant denomination, but they are really NAR. The assistant pastor knew C Peter Wagner personally and considered him his spiritual father. He charged people to attend a class he taught at our church and it was NAR teaching he learned from Wagner Leadership Institute, including the 7 mountain mandate. Sadly nobody seemed to read their bibles and believed everything he taught. This NAR teaching is so rampant and can be hid behind other denominations in small churches.
“BELOVED, BELIEVE NOT EVERY SPIRIT, BUT TRY THE SPIRITS, WHETHER THEY ARE OF GOD, BECAUSE FALSE PROPHETS ARE GONE OUT INTO THE WORLD.” 1 JOHN 4:1 BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS (JOHN 3:3)FOLLOW GODS WORD & JESUS CHRIST IS THE WORD OF GOD! JOHN 1:1, REVELATION 19:13 KJV 🙏
Thank you for this ministry
Looking foward to this
Thank you so much for all your hard work.💕
I disagree that Brannon was a heretic. However, having been a part of Bethel at one time I do agree with you about Beth-hell
That's exactly what word of faith pastors would do. Declare it and it's done. Nothing is achieved without God's will, not ours.
Hi, I’m new to your channel and I just want to thank you both for opening my eyes to some things that I thought were true but really were lies. Thanks again and I am so looking forward to your series on Disney and marvel. God bless
How do you expose this information to a gospel preaching church that uses the music from Bethel + doesn't see how this is not the best idea so this church might actually see the danger in any association??
Excellent. Thank you!
This is the nail in the witchcraft coffin. I pray they repent. GOD bless you guys for compiling this. It isn't comfortable to expose false teachers and this is very helpful.
I love all the scripture references you always use
New age yes BUT ALSO Out and out WITCHCRAFT
@laurenlimebrook9828
3 жыл бұрын
Same things really.
It's always a "good fight" with Good Fight Ministries.
@yourregularspontie8587
2 жыл бұрын
I agree
That clip is so ridiculous i could not even watch it how this people is mocking the word of God. Thanks guys for all the effort you put in to exposing these false doctrines these so called prophets are teaching the world. God bless you Love you guys.
Not only did the Bible warn us about what is happening today but even Mark Twain had some good insight into it when he said, it is easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled!
The bamming going on with Todd Bentley reminds me of kria's so many eastern mystic worshippers experience as an auto response as demonic spirits enter into them. He loses control of his speech like jerks and twitching with his bam. None of this church is even remotely biblical. They all manifest fruits of satanic worship and not of the Holy Spirit. 1John outlines true spirit of Jesus. You must read the whole chapter and don't stop at "testing the spirits". Almost every person stops at that verse but basically the whole of those few chapters puts testing spirits into context. Never cherry pick verses without knowing the full context of what's written or errors will occur.
This is what happens when people don't know the WORD. The Word of God has all the answers. And people like that should not be allowed on a stage and do this in the name of Jesus. This is strange Fire (Leviticus 10)
My understanding of the basics of the atonement was that I was a slave to sin and Jesus gave himself as a ransom for me. When someone pays a ransom, the person who was held hostage (or slave) is freed. In this case, instead of money for my ransom, Jesus gave Himself for me and took my place. 2 Corinthians 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. That day on the cross, Jesus became my substitute in taking my punishment for me. My Heavenly Father poured out His wrath towards my sin onto His Son instead of onto me. Meaning I will never have to experience the punishment of my sins because Jesus bore the punishment on my behalf.
It was so important to her, that they do it three times, like in the movie. She got this wrong even compared to the movie, Gandalf did it once.
I'dv genuinely love more information on what you shared about Vineyard originally thinking the laughter movement was demonic. Do you have any video/audio/print sources for this? Would very much help when sharing my concerns with loved ones in the movement.
@goodfightministries
4 жыл бұрын
This is part 1 of the series mentioned: kzread.info/dash/bejne/foqClK5tqNfAgKQ.html
Can you address the prophetic rooms and healing rooms sometime? I've been to both several years ago and since seen the error. I would like to hear from you. You said you're not cessationist, so I'd like to get some feedback. I appreciate it!
@49:20 of video you mention the Vineyard movement. Have you done a review of their theology? I attend a vineyard church and until I saw this series I never looked into the worship songs being played but now am second guessing why they play bethel music and others you mentioned in this video.
@RandomChristianMusings
Жыл бұрын
I, too, was in Vineyard. I was asked to leave the church back in 1992. One day, I'd asked The Lord to please tell me if I was being deceived. I loved Him so much, and didn't want to be sincere, yet sincerely deceived. I had just finished reading Dr. Walter Martins book, "The Kingdom of the Cults." 2 weeks later, the Pastor told me that he hated me and had felt this way for a long time. There's a book called, "The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse." To me, it reminds me of the power dynamic of Vineyard. *Take care, dearest one. I will ABSOLUTELY pray for you as soon as I'm done posting this. Shalom.* 💜💗💜
Hi friends! I was wondering if I could ask for some specific advice from you - do you manage your own Facebook page if I were to message you directly there? I've been on a journey of discovering the truth and leaving the WoF movement since last year and I'm just learning more and trusting God each day I really feel that I was led to this channel and I've needed to watch this series. Thank you so much!
@goodfightministries
3 жыл бұрын
Yes we do! You can message us on there or email us at contact@goodfight.org
I am with you guys. Yes there are some good songs by hillsong and bethel But with what i've seen is going on within both groups, Even changing religions. I refuse to listen to either or go to church where they play their songs In fact i'm looking for a church where I moved, It's very hard to find a church that isn't playing their music.
The Spirit behind that woman with the staff is a very dark spirit and if only they would realise the true power when we are truly His children especially the power through The HOLY Spirit to preach The Gospel but of course it’s not what they want is it but preaching The Gospel is true power seeing people saved from the kingdom of darkness
Of course, Gandalf was dragged into the abyss after he did that. Too bad the Balrog didn’t snatch them down with him too. 😥
Hi guys, Mark 3:23 'satan can not cast out satan' , how does this fit with Bethel who look like they are in cohorts with Satan, when they cast out a demon, is it smoke and mirrors and they actually don't cast out anything
Is Rob McCoy from calvary chapel, part of the Bethal ministry
Have you guys seen the "Let us worship" gatherings in Redding CA? more false revival and fire. sad that people continually fall for this stuff. So encouraging to hear you guys and more and more Christians not singing their songs in the churches.
For newer Believers, how do we know if the music at the church is Bethel or even Hillsong?
@chelseamatchett
3 жыл бұрын
The church I went to always posted the "credentials" of the songs in the corner of the screen and you could see if it was bethel or what not. It's kind of a hard thing though, because there are many single artists that fall under Bethel that you won't know until you look it up. Maybe make it a practice to write down the songs you sing at church and then look them up after.
@laurenlimebrook9828
3 жыл бұрын
@@chelseamatchett Our church sings only the Psalms or hymns. It is the best way to worship according to the bible. I feel so much better than singing worldly songs based on worldly music. Bethel and Jesus Culture are just rock and roll bands.
For Bethel and New age to corrupt Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings" is just a shame. J. R. R. Tolkien was a devout Catholic, but a firm believer who was friends with one of the greatest Christian minds; C. S. Lewis. I don't think that LOTR and Narnia are evil. I prefer Narnia over LOTR anyday, because of the accuracy of The Gospel in the text. I truly believe that C. S . Lewis was one of the most brilliant Christian minds to ever exist. I could be wrong, and I pray that God helps me discern what is right and wrong.
Did CS.lewis write the Lord of the rings before or after salvation? Anyone know?
@jenni8759
4 жыл бұрын
Lewis did not write it, JRR Tolkien did. He wrote it from a Christian perspective where Gandalf is an angelic like character. It isn't intended as a glorification of magic.
@toolegittoquit_001
4 жыл бұрын
That was J.R.R. Tolkien. He and Lewis were close friends and corresponded regularly. Of course, both were believers
Is that the same lady that plays Maggie on Chicago Med?
This is in reference to Bethels Gandolf wizard staff...Leviticus 19:31-kjv-Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee
You say soucerers won't Inherit the kingdom but what if they repent a d stop that life?
Good fight Ministries please do an expose on Lana Del Rey's new age antichrist, witchcraft, based music which I believe is contributing and leading many people astray in our time. Thank you for considering
Todd says bam bam bam & constantly repeated hisself coz he can come up with Hods words to say coz all of these people are of the evil one. We are not to pray to angels coz they can’t & won’t do anything unless God tells them unless they are the doomed angels. You couldn’t pay me to ever go to a church with this chaos, my blood runs hot just listening to ol Todd yelling ! Man these people just don’t know the truth.
Pretty sure God allows things to happen and not Satan. I’m new, but am I right?
@BloodBoughtMinistries
4 жыл бұрын
God allows things to happen yes. But it does mean he causes all things to happen.
Wouldn't it be best to avoid Vineyard Music as well as Bethel and Hillsong? I just heard one song recently that asked God to send His fire.
@BloodBoughtMinistries
4 жыл бұрын
Rather avoid it then, if you don't feel good about the lyrics rather avoid
@susieqds7351
4 жыл бұрын
@@BloodBoughtMinistries Yes, I believe we need to be aware of the theology of the author of the music. Vineyard Movement started a lot of what is NAR today after the founders got kicked out of Calvary Chapel. It's so easy to get into the song without thinking about what the lyrics are saying or what the terms used mean to the author(s).
Do they know they are false apostles?
Bill hands her the staff as a king in his court handing the scepter. You cant address the king without permission
You guys think John Hagee is a doctrinal sound pastor???
@goodfightministries
4 жыл бұрын
No we do not. Not only the connection with Bethel, but Joe mentioned on the show the “Dual-Covenant” theology that has been espoused as well.
@myronthiessen
4 жыл бұрын
Good Fight Ministries yeah for sure. I mean exposing John Hagee is one of the easiest things. And I thought that his son associating with kris vallotton wouldn’t be such a huge shock
@goodfightministries
4 жыл бұрын
Interestingly enough, we were asked by someone from San Antonio, if we could make mention of he connection. The reason being that many in that area have no idea.
@laurenlimebrook9828
3 жыл бұрын
No, he is not.
Bethel and others like them is a judgement from God because so many people don’t love the truth.
I’m curious about what you find wrong with Hillsong. I’m aware that Brian Simmonds tries too hard and sometimes puts his foot in his mouth but it is nothing like the heresy from Bethel.
@toolegittoquit_001
3 жыл бұрын
Quality not quantity. Still heresy
@chelseamatchett
3 жыл бұрын
They are Word of Faith. We really shouldn't support any movement that isn't based on the true gospel.
You guys are wrong about Todd Bentley. Look up pro-wrestler Bam Bam Bigelow. He was popular a couple of decades ago. It's not Flintstone/Bam Bam theology. It's Bam Bam Bentley theology. You'll get it once a see a pic of Bam Bam Bigelow. All Bentley is missing is the tats on the head. ;-)
Wait is this Hogwarts school or Magic or Bethel ? 🙈
@Marlaina
2 жыл бұрын
I was about to comment the same thing. When can we start referring to Bethel as Hogwarts?
@NextLevelTruth
2 жыл бұрын
@@Marlaina well I already do 😆. It isn’t like it isn’t accurate! I tried to warn one person I know that used to live out here in Mass but moved to Ca just to go to that school. And he’s always posting about how it changed his life but you rarely ever here him talk about Jesus or God.. it’s so strange. I sent him some material on it, but he won’t respond, they never do. No one cares about truth anymore 😕
John MacArthur is a cecessionist and pre-tribber very dangerous combo
@rnwks2008
4 жыл бұрын
What is your take on if/when the rapture will take place?
@toolegittoquit_001
4 жыл бұрын
That is nonsense. These minor doctrinal differences should not separate us.
@laurenlimebrook9828
3 жыл бұрын
@Layla Bartholomew We are already in the vials in Chapter 16,17 and 18. The Revelation is the prophetic history of the church and has been happening from the beginning after Jesus ascended. This is the Historic interpretation which says that Revelation has been being fulfilled throughout history....2000years. For instance, the seals have been opened and the trumpets blown and we are now in the 7th Trumpet which contains the vials. [bowls]
The Lord of the Rings is a story. Like a fairy story. Just a fantasy. Gandalf is a character not representative of the supernatural as it’s understood by the new age standards. Bethel have just used it to create their own fantasy.
@davidwing7645
4 жыл бұрын
Jared K Well, no. Tolkien wasn’t inspired by wrong motives at all, but the story has most definitely been hi jacked by New Age and like minded, wrongly spiritual people. It’s Satan’s MO to take innocuous things and pervert them.
@jenni8759
4 жыл бұрын
You should really look into what Tolkien says about his stories. He was a Christian man who created his works from a Christian perspective. It's not "just fantasy" it's also not satanic.
@toolegittoquit_001
4 жыл бұрын
Jared K Absolutely incorrect. Tolkien wrote this during WW2
@davidwing7645
4 жыл бұрын
Jenni - I was meaning that the genre of the book is ‘fantasy’. It wasn’t intended to belittle the ideas and themes of the work. And yes, Tolkien was a Christian and a scholar!
Masonic
Is this a clown act? Or a demonic delusion.
Che Ahn has a kundalini. Saw video of him having massive kriyas