Best workout split if you are Natural
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Still miss this guy. I’ve been working out for 45 years and a good portion of how I train now I learned from this man. RIP sir.
@IAmRickMagic
Жыл бұрын
🙏
@stoneeh
Жыл бұрын
So, who runs this channel now and cashes in the ad revenue?
@JustSomeDude31
11 ай бұрын
@@stoneeh His wife or children most likely. And well deserved at that in my opinion. I'm glad they keep his legacy alive.
@Oculed1
11 ай бұрын
No one cares dude
@speedy_fast
11 ай бұрын
@@Oculed1everyone cares but you apparently, you left comments angery at people for showing respect to a dead guy, put the phone down and smell the roses friend
Fly High John ❤
@OfficialEricElemen
Жыл бұрын
🙏
@walter7335
Жыл бұрын
Agree with dssquared.. i miss his knowledge his personality and demeanour. I learned a lot from john. You're missed my friend
I never get tired of listening to John. Never forgotten 💪❤
We miss you John! Thank you to who is posting on this channel ❤
I would add, as a natural lifter of 32 years experience, that you can vary loads and volume workout to workout, so if you do train everything twice per week, you can have a heavier lower volume day, and then a lighter higher volume day. For example, on my first back workout, I often do heavy deadlifts, followed by heavy barbell rows, 8 sets total. That's it. Then on my second back day, I'll do Pullovers, Chest supported wide dumbbell rows, and Lat Pulldowns, all going for higher rep range, for a total of 12 sets. By doing this, you balance volume against resistance, stimulate the muscles in different ways, and also retain your ability to recover. Great insight as always from John. RIP 😞
@mirzaljubovic4227
Жыл бұрын
Good point, hitting the same body parts with different exercises is, by my opinion, the best possible option for correct stimulation and more complete development.... So what do you prefer for weaker body parts, forcing them more often with lower intensity?
@davidlloyd2594
Жыл бұрын
@@mirzaljubovic4227 I don't agree that increasing volume and frequency equates to bringing up lagging body parts- it's normally a question of working out why they aren't being stimulated in your biomechanics within a balanced routine. For example, I know that my back is lat dominant, so when I train back, I begin my workout with movements that intentionally target my rear delts and rhomboids, when I am at my freshest and can give them my full energy. This also means that when I move on to rows and movements that are lat dominant, my middle back and scapulae retractors are primed and better engaged to act as secondary agonists, in those movements.
@tareaws.8548
Жыл бұрын
What about chest ? And shoulders please
@ayda2876
3 ай бұрын
That's not realty how it works tho..if you have bas genetics on your biceps if you do them twice a week in many cases they won't grow. You have to do more sometimes @@davidlloyd2594
@SyNc26K
3 ай бұрын
HSP TRAINING (Heavy,Stretch,Pump) Full Body 3X A Week Made By Team 3D Alpha!
"optimal" does not mean "obligatory". youll be fine training your muscles once a week. you ll get there in 4 years instead of 3. dont miss out the life or neglect your responsibilities for the sake of muscles.
@bigoofinthechat5496
3 ай бұрын
Facts. You’ll be good training your whole body three times a week. It may take you 6 years but don’t miss out on responsibilities for the sake of muscles.
@ThugWaffle351
3 ай бұрын
@@bigoofinthechat5496yep that’s exactly what he said lol
@bigoofinthechat5496
3 ай бұрын
@@ThugWaffle351 Yep and I was agreeing with another example 👍
@hattaraporsas
Ай бұрын
No. Whats more importanter than muscles? Huh?? Thats some pencilneck shit
@karamelflan
Ай бұрын
@@hattaraporsas it is importantest to muscles, and also life. Moral lesson: Chase women at night. Fulfilling activity for the whole family
Thanks John. As a natty this makes me feel better and will tone it down a bit. I knew it wasn't normal for me to feel exhausted 24/7 and trying to max out every time.
@carlodonn8983
Жыл бұрын
You do realise john died about 2 years ago ?
@MrTmenzo
Жыл бұрын
@@carlodonn8983 yes
@gerryboy3699
Жыл бұрын
day on day off works best for us natties long term, if your too bored on your day off, go for a 30min run or swim.
@westfieldartworks8188
Жыл бұрын
I grew, particularly in the smaller muscle groups: Shoulders, Triceps, when I stopped hitting them so much. I also train to near failure twice per month only. Mike Mentzer talked about this overtraining problem quite a lot.
@Nightowl7982
Жыл бұрын
@@carlodonn8983 you do notice he posted this 2 weeks ago right?
Took me a long time to deprogram myself from the starting strength cult mindset of full-body only workouts. Splits are so much more fun and when you’re having fun, it’s so much easier to get into the gym. “Optimal” doesn’t matter if you’re dreading your workouts
@sh0ckwavex
3 ай бұрын
Sounds like you got caught in the trap of romanticizing the theoretical side without actually enjoying it or excelling at it. If you do it properly, you're done in 3-4(5 at most) months. Plenty of their programs after SS are not full body. I'd agree though. Squatting 3 times a week gets old quick. Plus, only doing 5 reps and aiming to increase the weight every workout gets technically demanding very quickly. Without a coach, many people find the weights increase too fast before they know wtf they're doing. Vs PPL or a bro split. Playing around with volume. Not worrying about forcing the weight up so fast you're crushing yourself before you've got the hang of it. 0-2 technically demanding exercises per session. Followed by stuff that's easy to get 90% the hang of after a couple of times and then you can just have fun getting better at your own pace.
@ContentUniverse2024
9 күн бұрын
@@sh0ckwavex 'not worrying about forcing the weight up' bro needs to learn the term progressive overload lmfao
@sh0ckwavex
9 күн бұрын
@ContentUniverse2024 you ever done starting strength bud?
Only just found this guy recently and miss him already. Wish I found him earlier in my training. Super down to earth too.
As always thank you John (family/friends).. I'm still bangin out full body 3 times a week with active days off in between as a newb.. but I always store away the knowledge John gives us and implement as much as I can as far as technique and execution. Thanks! 🙌
Thank you John. Time rolls on and John’s training principles are still the bedrock of my training.
@JesusOnlySavesEternally
Ай бұрын
I’ve been getting back into serious training as a natural forty year old, and this type of talk on training theory is like water in a desert. Much needed, and appreciated distillation of old school bodybuilding training.
Still so strange seeing this very nice chap. Great tips and information is such a friendly way. Very much missed.
Still great to watch and learn from this no.1 guy, still so sad that he's gone 😢.... Massive cheers to the people that's putting these posts together ! RIP big man. UK 🇬🇧
@Oculed1
11 ай бұрын
"Durr durr durrr tea durrr innit durrr" -andrewbarnes
Thanks so much, Dog!! You're always an inspiration to me!!
Solid solid advice as always! god this man is missed but so happy we have so much content to fall back on. RIP mate.
While I like the pump, 5x5 has been the most fun I've had lifting. Recovery for body parts is spot on. Not every part is the same. My calves take a week to recover after even mild sets, but I can blast my quads, hamstrings, glutes and pretty much anything on my back side and I'm good the next day. Chest takes a couple of days, biceps and grip I can do every day, abs are once a week. That's also not even consistent either. Because some times my entire posterior chain will crap out on me and I'll be down for days at a time doing a regular day at the gym. So it's important to know how each body part recovers.
This was always one of my favorite clips of John. Love the "inject" line
Took me a lil while to learn this and apply. It is working, watched this one a few months ago an didnt 100% get it right away, He was a damn good teacher!!!
Pull Push AB routine is great! 1 exercise for each bodypart( some exceptions: 2 back, 2 for quads, or chest, in 4 sets, 4-20 reps, 1min/1:30 rest. More frequency, less exercices...
Absolutely amazing advice. Will always miss you💪
Never-ever have I heard of a guy so emphatically focus on the fun you can have in the gymnasium. Meadows is a GOAT, miss this man!
Just came across this. One of the best!
Even now this great man. Giving out priceless advice when it comes to fitness. Thank you John. I know your looking in on all our work outs now. Rest in peace sir.
Really enjoyed your advices, a lot of knowledge and healthy common sense approach. TX John. R. I . P
@jishani1
3 ай бұрын
His healthy common sense approach didn't seem to help him. But hey, I'm sure it'll be better for you, right? 😂
Hey John! Thanks for the tips
Thank you sir. A real professional advice!
Moderation is hard since I love working out. I have fallen into the "hit every body just 2x a week very hard" and over a couple weeks I get weaker and weaker or I can't stay consistent with the schedule because I'm too tired one day etc... Now I generally do a heavy chest/shoulder day, arms, heavy legs and back day... My legs i only do posterior work right now, so i tie back in at the end... My arms are my smallest relative area so they need their own day... Chest and shoulders day i might do a back exercise plus JM press for triceps...
Great video. Thanks 👍
I misss you so much John, 🕊. I love your methodology in training and it has been one of my favorites to do. Mentzer/Yates/Meadows for life 🙏
I am a 63 year old natty. Wasn't always. I noticed my recovery takes longer than ever now and have to take a day between workouts. I still train as hard as I can but I'm fatigued the next day. I really don't know what to do anymore. So, I'm taking a break for a short time, maybe 2 weeks, then I'll start again from the beginning and monitor my recovery. I can't stop forever, not after 48 years.
@user-ny5dy4tz4y
3 ай бұрын
I hope all is well how is life going?
@steelphantom9105
Ай бұрын
61 here, I had to go to every other day because of recovery. So I went with a 2 day split Day 1 Quads,Chest,Shoulders,Triceps, Day 2 Hamstrings,Back,Biceps. It gives me 96 hours between hitting those muscle groups which seems to be the sweet spot for me.
This is great advice! Something I'd add, however, is that tendons don't recover nearly as fast as muscles do, even if this too may vary between individuals. I tried all kinda frequencies and mix them from time to time. Once per week with a really high intensity workout (not to be confused with Mentzer's HIT) works the best for me. Every single time I've reduced my frequency I've gotten bigger; an upper-lower split made my foundation and it worked, but I got injured several times because I just wanted to do it all in every workout, which was obviously a bad idea. Intensity+volume+frequency will kill anybody's joints and tendons. You must either sacrifice one or tune all of those down a bit to get results without injuring yourself. Currently the only part I work twice per week are my arms, as biceps are a genetically weak spot of mine (pretty big, but the insertion is the opposite of Arnolds', so I need to grow it more to actually get the great peak I'm looking for). RIP John Meadows, you'll be remembered for a long time in this community.
amazing advice... thanks brother
A. Chest Back Shoulders B. Legs Arms Mon Wed Fri Rotate A and B those 3 days week, every muscle is worked 3x in 2 weeks. Good balance of frequency and volume for intermediate and advanced lifters. Total Body workouts 3x week past the beginner stage is too much work when doing 2-3 exercises per muscle group and 2-4 sets per muscle. Workouts can be 2-2.5 hours long. A and B splits 3x week can balance volume and frequency nicely for bodybuilding, allowing ample stimulation in a reasonable amount of time like 45-75 minutes per workout. 🤷♂️
I always liked John's personality. I still enjoy watching these videos today. RIP John.
Best answer to this question hands down
He was my favorite to watch and learn from.
I miss John so much,sending prayers to his family and friends.
I often train too much and it impacts my recovery and strenght sometimes. It is very hard to handle and a science for sure. Good video
solid shit, he was a great human
John thank you for your hard work i will keep watching your videos and i will keep learning .We miss you brother ❤😢🙏
I can attest to that recovery variability. My old training partner could train body parts again in half the time it took me to recover. He was basically hitting everything twice as often as me and improving in every workout. It didn't take long and he left me in the dust.
@steelphantom9105
Ай бұрын
Genetics plays a big role in recovery from training.
@demetriuscooksey7147
Ай бұрын
@steelphantom9105 100% My buddy was genetically gifted for bodybuilding, not only in recovery but how he was built as well.
I like clips with subtitles like this.
Thank you John🥀
The community around this guy, tells you a lot about the quality of man he is (was).
I needed to see this.
Really good advice even though you are generally able to train a muscle again after 48 if you are natural its not really sustainable to blast every body part twice per week with high volume.
upper lower repeat for me works so well. legs mon, upper Tues, legs thurs and then upper fri. not all body parts are the same either for me certain muscles high volume and others high intensity.
I started as a distance runner before lifting. When i still had my distance runner endurance, I could recover crazy fast.
I’ve done pretty much all the different splits but the one that I enjoy most is whole body. I love seeing my whole body pumped at once and is a real motivator. But if I am doing just push muscles that day I wish I could have a bicep and trap pump too hahaha
My man will always be alive
Woow just amazing knowledge..thanks from oldest and biggest democracy on planet india ...I fallow u ..and I seen awsome results
I don’t just say this cause this great man’s gone but this awesome man was the best out here always kind always trying to share help people with his knowledge not once did I hear him being anyone down always positive always full Of love for us RIP mountain dog your a LEGEND always brother guy like share hi contents go help his family for he gave us all so much for nothing 😊😊😊😊
When i was a teen my track coach put us through a weight circuit routine for the first time. One of the machines was a type of leg press that had two placments for your feet. I gave exceptional effort and my legs were sore for two weeks. I couldn't even jog without pain and had to pull out of a meet.
Thanks for explanation
He was the best workout instructor. Was a good man
Miss you, Mountain Dog!
FACTS FACTS FACTS. I train my weak points 3x per week. I also incorporate full body workouts but I put a different bias on each one to focus on my weaknesses and goals.
A much-missed gentleman. Gods-speed to you, Sir. From GB.
I have followed this advice recently by splitting my routine into a push pull legs three days a week. I thrown in the Mike mentzer philosophy of 2 maybe 3 set warmup then hit it on one working set to failure. Training more than 4 days a week doesnt fit in my. schedule.
@user-db6tx1hs5o
Ай бұрын
How did it go for you? Was thinking of this plus a fourth day to hit what needs extra work
@BLS1976PACHAPTER
Ай бұрын
@@user-db6tx1hs5o this split and philosophy is good for those like myself who needed a back to basics routine and it helped me achieve the right mind set. Starting this year I went to a push pull total body training four days while adding one more working set the idea is best the last working set rep range. It's a killer
The best! Miss you...
Rip. That’s me! My legs are sore for four days, but my upper body in only sore for a day.
This guy doesn't seem like he is gone, he is still alive for me!!😢
I would say 3-5 days is the sweet spot. I’ve been doing an AB split. A chest shoulders and triceps, B legs Back and Biceps. Monday A Wed B Friday A and the next week B A B so your working each muscle 3 times over 14 days. Focus more on intensity using rest pause. The B workout is a killer. You can’t walk hardly after putting legs and Back together but it feels class. The extra rest days makes up for it.
@DG-nb6fe
Ай бұрын
Why not do… A. Chest back shoulders B. Legs Arms Better balance I’d say.
@adammac4960
Ай бұрын
@@DG-nb6fe yeah it sounds it to be fair like. Legs on back day leaves you in bits. I think the guy who invented Doggrcrapp training stuck biceps on leg day. It was Dorian Yates and mr America heart who mentioned doing back and legs together I think it’s so you can fit deadlifts in but it’s taxing
JM was a saint, at least outside of sessions
Still learning from you John. Still so much to take in from your wisdom. Rip buddy
Did John ever say what was the best split? What I got was PPL/PP only hitting legs once a week depending on recovery.
For how much time should I do the same split but changing the exercises
Rip John u were the master of bodybuilding true champion 💪
I do legs on tuesday. I'm still sore on Friday which means if I train them Saturday I'm still sore tuesday... I just train legs once per week... admittedly it's usually front squats, leg press, ham curls. walking lunges... quite the marathon!
@adammiller9179
5 күн бұрын
Do less
Is this a repost or timed upload!?
One of the most knowledgeable individuals on the planet-it's unfortunate that he's no longer with us.
leg day is the worst for me, take me close to a week and half. so im trying to get my legs more to keep up with my upper.
@adammiller9179
5 күн бұрын
Don't hit them so hard. They shouldn't be sore near that long.
I WILL ALWAYS MISS JOHN RIP BROTHER!!!
John was a stud and sooo helpful. I don’t like the AI chopped up version of him and want to only see full length John video.
I get pumps after one chest and arm exercises if I go hard
I agree about full body workouts.. they just do not do anything for me 👍
@nikpetrovic3877
Жыл бұрын
full body is really just a modified PPL that takes into account that 3 days might be good rest for the L portion but that you dont need 3 days to recover from the majority of the PP exercises the only advantage of PPL is it is easier to remember what you are doing that day. otherwise why would you wait for the next pull day if your biceps dont need 3 days off to recover?
@stevenmanning2436
4 ай бұрын
I tried PPL one workout, never even got to the second P or L…I immediately didn’t like it. I’ve been doing one body part a week for 26 years and I don’t see a reason to change. Sometimes, waiting the week seems too long, but I’m not doing calculus as far as programming. But, I definitely do calculus as far as mastering the fundamentals.
@riokinsey2134
3 ай бұрын
If that was your take away, you need to rewatch it. He is talking about a FUN FACTOR ONLY...GETTING A PUMP. Metabolic fatigue is not and never will be the MAIN factor to growth. That belongs to progressive overload/resistance, which full body / push pull/ upper lower are excellent for. Talk about "reading into something" or "hearing what you want to." I think you completely misinterpreted the message, my friend. He was simply saying 1. YOU CANT HAVE THE FREQUENCY MAXIMIZED FOR ALL BODY PARTS SIMULTANEOUSLY, THEY RECOVER AT DIFFERENT RATES. 2. YOU WONT GET THE SAME DEGREE OF PUMP DOING A FULL BODY ROUTINE. NOTHING MORE
Also when he’s saying your weaker muscles.. does he mean the muscles that recover quicker? In terms of upping the frequency?
@Dirk_van_Tonder
Ай бұрын
No, I think he means your personal weak points. Like if you have a big upper body but small legs, hit legs twice as often
@SuperhumanNationTV
Ай бұрын
@@Dirk_van_Tonder thanks man!
Straight talking, no BS. "leg day once a week", so make sure you don't skip it!
After I started TRT I can train every body part every workout execpt pecs which can take over a week to heal sometimes even 2 weeks. But like arms, shoulder back and legs, they are ready next day do matter if I train light or Yates Heavy Duty style. i am not training every bodypart every day but they are ready. and some say a little bit of testo has no effect =)
@8000860
12 күн бұрын
At what age You started TRT? It was by Your desire or by need?
@bogse
11 күн бұрын
@@8000860 I took measurements over maybe 8 year period and T was always low normal or low abnormal dpending which laboratory since they are different. Anyway, I didnt drive to get it since I knew its hard to get it and biggest reason was that I have male pattern hairloss so I was scared I will lose my hair fast. I have eaten DHT blockers maybe 15 years so even Im on TRT I guess it blocks it enough not cause more hairloss. Just in case Ive taken a bit more DHT blocker. I was in Thailand and there are TRT clinics. I was so frustrated with everything so I thought why dont I give a shot for it. So I did and BAMMM, soon I lifted more weights than I have ever lifted with my 30 years of natural training with low T. My T started to get so low that I didnt want or had energy to go to gym, libido/erections were basically non existent, no morning erection. Now I have morning wood every morning. If I would have known what I know now I would have strated this at least 10 years ago. I will be on TRT as long as I live, going back to that low T shithole isnt an option for me anymore. You know it when you start to feel like a man again, dont want to go back and why would I, the health benefits of TRT for low T guys are huge. I really started to study it after I went on TRT and learning new stuff all the time. I was 47 when started. I should have started maybe 35 but better later than never.
What about abbs
Train a body part roughly every 3 to 3 day's did I hear that right 😂😂😂
I hope your killing it in heaven. Thank you for the videos. 🙏🙏🙏
I wonder if this approach is good while cutting too?
@adammiller9179
5 күн бұрын
The approach to recover before hitting a muscle again? Why wouldn't it be??
@SuperhumanNationTV
5 күн бұрын
Just thinking about SFR.
first!! miss you king❤
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❤️🙌
Legend in the game ❤
I miss this guy
whoa
Rip john. Im thinking about ppl and Arnold 6 day split
i got scared when he said "inject"
Mike Mentzer would disagree with this frequency. I wish I could have seen a good live debate on this topic between these two Heroes.
How old was he when he died and why? Rip
1.36 took me 2 years of training to learn
Monday: Legs Tuesday: Chest, tris (Upper chest) Wednesday: Back, bis Thursday: Chest, tris (Mid chest) Friday: Legs Saturday: Chest, Back (Upper chest) Sunday: Arms this is the best split
@lisciastylisc8931
Ай бұрын
rest days?
@edzam.
Ай бұрын
@@lisciastylisc8931 friday if feeling weird but usually no rest days
Sorry didnt get all that. What is the best split then? Can someone timestamp it?
@Dirk_van_Tonder
Ай бұрын
There is no best split; the one you choose should align with your recovery time
Miss him . Give all the science but also " have fun" ! that is what most "expert" don't get it .
The problem is , and this is what it makes annoying : I got weak legs so my training split weekly is around leg. But if they are sore for 3/4 good days. That is hard to program the rest. My back can be ready after 24h the problem is it s a strong point. So if I wanna be symetric and have a harmonious physic, that is when things get tricky 😅
@maalikserebryakov
3 ай бұрын
That’s why Brosplit is best If you actually train hard it takes Nearly a week to recover
@MaximusAdonicus
3 ай бұрын
Pro tip: Your legs are sore for 3-4 days BECAUSE u train them only 2x/week! Hop on the squat train and do squats 3x/week! Your legs will grow and get stronk AF!! Only add calves 1-2x/week and deadlift on the last day. No need to do anything else for legs (for now). You can do whatever u like after the legs on each day.
Love John , but if there was one thing he could tell us now we know what it would be. Stay effin natural as long as you can and when you do decide to start do the very minimal necessary. This is an ultra marathon, not a sprint.
I was just doing upper body one day... lower body the next? I've tried 4 day breaks between each body set too, which had my best chest increase. Hard one because my back muscles are dominant from being a linesman. I literally climbed every day for 2 decades, So learning to do chest isolation was hard for me, took my first 3 years to see gains. Also hate to be this cunt, But chest is only for aesthetics, As far as my body is concerned. Doesn't actually help me with anything. Training it feels more like a chore than being genuinely happy for it