A good option is using a backpack and put it in the basket: great capacity of loading because, if you need it, you can carry the backpack on you and have the aditional basket capacity for extra load, easy grab and go (more than paniers), isolation from elements if you use a water proof backpack.

@georgewarren5565

3 жыл бұрын

Or as I do, bungee the rucksack onto the panier rack

@vaseklepic12

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgewarren5565 I did that for some time, but it was quite anoying to make sure nostraps are dangling from it, basket seems much more convenient. It should be bolted on though, just so that potential thief would have to carry at least a screwdriver

@kevinsbikingadventures278

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I do that all the time! I commute by bike almost every day. And if I need to suddenly pick something up, then I'll take the backpack out and carry it on my back as an exception.

@EPeltzer

2 жыл бұрын

So you gotta carry your stuff from home to the bike, then from bike into office right? Backpack in basket for me. Then, as you say, if you need to do a bit of shopping on the way in, or way home, you put on the backpack and put shopping in basket, doubling your capacity. Backpack is also a good shopping bag if its not too full already. Panniers, only a carry handle, a bit awkward, harder to attach and detach.

@tmayberry7559

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevinsbikingadventures278 it extends the storage capacity of the basket

Back pack IN the milk crate! Perfect!

@jesselduque2858

3 жыл бұрын

Or even backpack in the basket could work.

@CoreyBrass

3 жыл бұрын

Nailed it!!!

@keisreeman

3 жыл бұрын

@Dane Wade Blazing Saddles part deux!

@harshbarj

3 жыл бұрын

Till you hit a bump and out flies the backpack. Had that happen once. But I tend to go fast, at least 20-30 km/h.

@Paulski25

2 жыл бұрын

or even backpack in permanent panier as long as the backpack is not too large. That has the added benefit that you can store stuff in the other panier that you only need for your bike (rain gear, small pump and some bike repair stuff) you might need en route. I know flat tires aren't really an issue any longer but I wouldn't want to leave without the option to repair a flat tyre if needed.

Panniers on the back, crate on the front. Backpack goes everywhere with me. And a step thru bike avoids the need to throw your leg over whatever you have on the back!

@kishascape

2 жыл бұрын

True but it's not necessary. You just step over the top tube while leaning the bike, similar to a touring motorcycle.

@underballbutter

2 жыл бұрын

Also add a basket to the back for more capacity

@hil449

2 жыл бұрын

@@kishascape yet but its annoying

@kishascape

2 жыл бұрын

@@hil449 Unless you a delivery rider or something it's actually not bad and you get used to it. Motorcycle cops do it hundreds of times a day.

@Redhornsandeyes

2 жыл бұрын

You could put the backpack in the crate if you don't want to wear it

Panniers all the way... easy to attach, waterproof, no sweaty back.!

@henkvanhulst5867

3 жыл бұрын

And safe, low centre of gravity

@valho9

3 жыл бұрын

Agree!

@jazziered142

3 жыл бұрын

And if they're not waterproof you can always line them with a trash compactor bag... The way hikers line their backpacks.

@jholotanbest2688

3 жыл бұрын

The problem with panniers is that I am forced to either carry all my stuff on my hand which sucks or I have haul my whole bike around which also sucks.

@tallonhunter3663

3 жыл бұрын

@@jholotanbest2688 i have seen several examples of sling/back packs that have strap stows and pannier clips.

ah, my favourite lunch. 3 cans of beans.

@grintalcycles8266

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't want to be in the cubicle next to him after lunch.

@pedroabni

3 жыл бұрын

yeahhh !!! and the coffee bottle was empty lol

@RiderOftheNorth1968

3 жыл бұрын

The secret of the bike commuter: TURBO BOOST!!! ( Disclaimer: not for recliner bikes)

@vittocrazi

3 жыл бұрын

@@grintalcycles8266 if you eat them regularly and properly cooked, they dont make you toot much more than any other food. sadly, the gassing period is so freaking terrible that most people dont get through it.

@j2simpso

3 жыл бұрын

And here I was thinking Shifter has decided not to use gas and other fossil fuels 😅

Fun fact, the word "panier" is French , it means... basket! What you call "pannier" is in French "sacoches". The word panier comes from the Latin "panarium" and it means a basket for bred.

@jessicagamboa9139

3 жыл бұрын

Cool! Learning something new everyday. Thanks Didier

@theymademepickaname1248

3 жыл бұрын

Another fun fact, perineum is a fancy way of saying taint, gooch, or grundle.

@marcellavigne7507

3 жыл бұрын

oui j'ai remarqué ça moi aussi.

@robertbrawley5048

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't know that

@instantinople3796

2 жыл бұрын

Funny thing. The captions said "panties" instead of panniers.

I think there are a couple factors that were missed. First, most people probably already own a backpack and/or milk crate. The convenience of already owning something is pretty high in my books. Second, not everyone commutes to an office. As a student panniers make less sense because they still need to carry my gear around once I'm on campus. The backpack is the preferable method between classes. With those panniers in particular, they'd be a nightmare to try and fit them under a desk in a crowded lecture hall.

@irrelevance3859

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I don’t know if bags fit in panniers

@muhilan8540

3 жыл бұрын

backpack in milk crate seems like the best option

@bipbop3121

3 жыл бұрын

Pannier's differ quite a bit. Not all panniers are joined like this set, different sizes, different methods of carrying them (including backpack type options). The main thing really is rack > back, whether you put the backpack, messenger bag, pannier(s), basket, etc. on it.

@JoshuaShepherd

3 жыл бұрын

Start where you are, use what you have, do what you can.

@atimholt

3 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking of getting a good sized pannier (panniers?), perhaps large enough to set a backpack in, if the need arises.

I like the working class aesthetic of the milk crate. Wouldn't be surprised if it became a fashion choice someday.

@H_elios

2 жыл бұрын

Green with the word organic in block letters.

@RedSaint83

Жыл бұрын

Even though you have an Ø in your name, you clearly aren't Danish, otherwise you'd have known about Puch Maxi's with milk crates on them. Quite the symbol indeed here in Denmark, or used to be at least, not too many Puch Maxi's around anymore. Try searching for "puch maxi mælkekasse" for images.

@sirflaps7619

Жыл бұрын

In the Netherlands bikes with a rack + milk/beer crate on the front are very popular.

Watching you get on and off your bike made me glad I bought a bike with a step through frame.

@MakeitorBreakit591

4 ай бұрын

Step threw is my go to, no shame I ask for the " lady's bike" every time. No accidental nut smash if I slip off the pedals easier to get on and off .

I would use a permanently attached milk crate on my summer beater because an old crate would blend in perfectly with the rest of the bike.

@chemicalmayfly5932

3 жыл бұрын

Not long after I got the good bike I have now, and had a particular rear rack installed, I got the collapsible/rolling crate made for that rack, with the proprietary cleat and spring-loaded latch on the bottom to secure it to the rack. I can slide it off, extend the handle, and drag it around on its little wheels, or fold it down flat. I can also use an after-market lock to further secure it to the rack so nobody else can just make off with it if I leave it on the rear rack while the rest of the bike is locked up at a bike rack. Granted, this option has now gotten a great deal more expensive than it was when I got it. But, I'm generally torn between this option (with my backpack in the crate) and my panniers for my commute to and from campus. Much depends on what all I need to carry with me. For groceries, I would actually just take the panniers into the grocery store (pre-COVID) as my "reusable bags" and load up the groceries directly into them, but my main set of panniers are actually individual ones rather than the joined "saddle bag" style, and each one hooks onto the side of the rack, with a toggle behind to secure it. So the people in the store never found it too odd. They're also insulated specially for groceries, so they're pretty sweet, and they were only about $20 apiece, at the time. Sadly, the don't make that style anymore.

@patlevv7382

2 жыл бұрын

🎯😜🆒‼️. B O T H

This video gives me the impression you have wonderfully smooth roads. Try it on Belgian cobbles and I fear the basket will be half empty and the milk crate may have fallen off. Moreover, with the latter stepping on and off the bike seems painstaking. Good video, though.

@NonApplicable1983

2 жыл бұрын

My basket had a pretty secure lid on it. It wasn’t lockable, but it only ever came lose if I tried to jump a curb a little too hard.

@womenfrom0202

2 жыл бұрын

@@terenceharris5610 you definitely are not familiar to Belgium roads, I agree with 2ndbariton

@kevinsbikingadventures278

2 жыл бұрын

It depends where you are in Canada. Here in Ottawa, the bike trails are fairly smooth, but then some roads get heavily damaged from heavy trucking and freeze-thaw cycles. I do understand what you are saying though; I've biked on some of Montréal's cobblestone roads and it can get quite bumpy! I like to place a backpack in a basket, and luckily it was very snug so I didn't have the problem of things bouncing around.

@hjeffwallace

2 жыл бұрын

This video gives me the impression that you don’t have to carry an extension ladder to work.

@swift7169

2 жыл бұрын

@@terenceharris5610 oh that sounds like a good idea. Never thought of that.

#1 and #4 are clearly the best options. Secure, safe and convenient. #1 probably has more space and is more comfortable, and #4 is more versatile. #2 could launch your laptop out onto the street if you hit a pothole. A basket like that also makes you very prone to theft. #3 is basically just a big basket.

Something not mentioned that most don't consider is a backpack will significantly lessen the shock of bumps. That is a big consideration when I am biking with my camera gear and/or electronics.

@Andythecreature

11 ай бұрын

i would argue that it's you who's providing the shock absorption, not the backpack, but your point still stands i'm a backpack advocate, to the point that you'll rarely catch me without it

If you ate all those beans for lunch...you would have turbo jet power for your ride home!

@Taladar2003

3 жыл бұрын

That is nothing, have a look at kzread.info/dash/bejne/hI2nts6fmKe5dLw.html :-)

When I was a student post-retirement I used a backpack in combination with an attached basket. Pack backpack with computer, books and lunch. Throw it in the basket. Have easy access to stuff all day around campus. Best of both worlds. Also: a step-through bike solves the leg-over problem.

My favorite is a backpack in a kid's seat it works like a basket but has the added advantages that you can secure the backpack in place with the straps for the kid and if you're cycling in traffic cars give you all that extra space thinking you're carrying a child. It also has extra carrying space as the backpack can be hung by the straps at the back of the seat leaving room in the seating area for an actual kid or yet another backpack. The foot rests and the straps are also great for holding things like coffee thermos and water bottles.

If your luggage is not super huge, my favourite option is a nice, waterproof messenger bag or backpack. You don't have to detach it from the bike every time and it doesn't compromise handling. On top of that you get extra style points 👩🏼‍🔧

In the UK a bike commute is often combined with a train commute, in which case a backpack is most convenient because it makes the bike more portable up/down stairs & on/of trains. You also have a lower wind drag coefficient with a backpack than with panniers. That may not be an issue with a short commute, but you don't want to turn yourself into a parachute with a long commute. The real downside of a backpack is it's sweaty in summer.

@berniethekiwidragon4382

Жыл бұрын

I wish they can accommodate bikes on London commutes. Typically no bikes on trains at rush hour, unless it's a folding bike.

@washx2k755

Жыл бұрын

@@berniethekiwidragon4382 I can’t even fit bike on bus in U.K.

@GTMarmot

Жыл бұрын

@@washx2k755 Yep I question the premise as well. I live in the UK and it just isn't true (from my experience in the south east and Greater London).

@washx2k755

Жыл бұрын

@@GTMarmot so u guys don’t have problems with Arriva bus?

@GTMarmot

Жыл бұрын

@@washx2k755 I don't use buses but those who do don't take bicycles on them as there's no space for them in the rush hour.

To whoever asked the question, I'll be grateful for he created a video of it.

I guess we all start with a backpack. For commuting, I'm not comfortable with a basket or a milk crate as items in them can easily be stolen.

@mavenfeliciano1710

2 жыл бұрын

Put an oversized bag in the basket and then put items in that. Then remove the bag with items if needed to take with you. Leave the basket/crate. It also makes bike more cumbersome to deter theft. More cumbersome = more time and energy to take the bike. If your commuting you shouldn’t need to worry about it during the actual commute as you will be riding. It’s before and after the actual commute.

@kishascape

2 жыл бұрын

That's why I just use a pannier, out of the way, holds load close to together more securely so less movement and space taken, and mine comes off to become a backpack.

@tconnolly9820

2 жыл бұрын

Never ever leave anything on your bike that you are not prepared to have stolen. Bags, panniers, lights.... I've seen the wheels or seat taken from locked bikes. I've seen many locked wheels in bike racks and the rest of the bike gone. 😟

@thecaveofthedead

2 жыл бұрын

@@tconnolly9820 in crime-ridden cities like mine the concern is also things being grabbed out of a basket when you're stopped in traffic or at a stop sign. I agree though that some of that can be solved by having a backpack in the basket which is lashed down. But yes. In my city leaving anything of value unsecured on the parked bike you'd be really surprised to find it still there when you came back to it.

@leandrog2785

2 жыл бұрын

@@tconnolly9820 Lol who locks their bike by only locking a wheel to the fixture? The absolute minimum which i would consider doing is a lock going through the front wheel AND frame.

Wald 582 collapsible basket. I've used them for decades. They're the size of a paper grocery sack and attach to your rear rack. Collapse when not in use. They keep the weight low like a pannier. My bike friends mock me but I'm the one carrying the beer home after the ride.

@tropezando

2 жыл бұрын

Yessss this is the winner right here! I have dual 582s with optional homemade liner bags so I can carry groceries out of them.

@albertgauche9271

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been using a pair of Wald 582s for over twenty years. Combined with a cargo net you can haul a lot of stuff.

@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333

Жыл бұрын

Are they easy to attach and remove? I’d like to get a basket as well, but I don’t want to have to unscrew/screw in a bunch of nails every time I want to take it off and put it back on. Or have it be a permanent fixture on my bike.

@billwright8257

Жыл бұрын

@@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333 They're permenantly attached but fold away very flat. I suppose you could attach them with zip ties if you wanted to.

I doubt this will be seen, but knots and lashings have earned great respect from me and are applicable in more ways than I can count. To secure the milk crate to the bike rack, I think the “taut-line hitch” and the “constrictor knot (or clove hitch)” with some creativity would work. They’re relatively simple knots many can learn here on youtube, just make sure you use a good rope with enough friction between itself. 550 paracord is the classic and quite available.

@Kalmaro4152

Жыл бұрын

I need to buy rope.

Ortlieb's waterproof panniers are pricy, but worth every penny! (Plus you can ride with either one or both in a pair)

@nowayout8773

3 жыл бұрын

I would check the hooks periodically because my ortliebs vibrated loose and basically you can't hang them. The bolt fell out once and i was lucky to have a basket on the front to transport it. I have a long commute and it was night. The basket saved my ass. It's the same with fender screws and losing a screw is no fun.

@TC-im8eq

3 жыл бұрын

Just don’t put a water bottle inside the ortliebs, they are waterproof both ways. The water bottle popped open and I had pannier soup. Expensive, but I’ve had mine over a decade so really it’s 10$/year...

@d.rabbitwhite

3 жыл бұрын

I have the same pair since '99. Never had any thing happen like Nowayout, but then again I check them regularly, or move their position which is in effect, a check. I use them when walking about, as well, as I live in a rainy area.

@Bagledog5000

3 жыл бұрын

Mine are going on twelve years old now, one of the best items I've ever bought for my bike. I've ridden through torrential rain, and everything has stayed dry inside.

@Korina42

3 жыл бұрын

@@TC-im8eq ooh, I did that once! Unfortunately my iPad was in there with the bottle. :-(

Decades ago when I rode an upright and didn't have a car I had a milk crate attached to the rack on the back. One time when I wanted to buy a tree for my yard I made sure the container fit in the crate and off I went. Everything was balanced so it went well. This was in warm weather so when I passed the fire house with the firemen out front sitting in their chairs it gave them a good laugh and shouted about how it was so hot I had to bring my own shade. The tree was sitting so high that I had to ride far enough away from the curb so it wouldn't hit the small trees planted on the boulevard. Now with my recumbent I just use a bag hanging off the back of my backrest.

@Arlae_Nova

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, if you ever visit the Netherlands you can see the magic of students moving with their bikes. Sometimes complete couches are moved on simple bikes.

@leandrog2785

2 жыл бұрын

@@Arlae_Nova Cargo bikes?

The cheap plastic crates. We Dutch sometimes have those on the front of the steering wheel. GF on the back, 2 backpacks on the front. Steering is very heavy with the weight, but we still go!

@_implying

2 жыл бұрын

the dutch know how to show a girl a good time!

I currently use milkcrate and pannier. Works great for groceries as well as my work commute. When weather gets colder i can store my layers for colder nights compared to afternoon ride to work. The milkcrate is permanently affixed to my rear rack, and is the same carrying capacity as an large ALDI bag, so i grab 1 bag and and carry my panniers and hang them on the cart for groceries. Keeps me from over buying.

panniers are good for low center of gravity (stability) but have to be back far enough that your heels don't strike

I have been pondering this idea for the last week. This video hasn’t come at a more perfect time. Thank you!

I started out with a backpack and to be honest it worked pretty well for years. Decided to try out a small pannier "accessory bag" to carry repair tools, water and other bits and bobs and leave the backpack at home (majority of belongings stayed at work). Because of it's small size shopping wasn't feasible. I replaced it with a large plastic box secured with zip ties, was really great for convenience (chuck stuff in and go) and carrying heavy items, but got tired of the leg stretching manouevre to get on and off the bike lol. I've now gone back to panniers - a 2 in 1 convertible type from Aldi that can change from a backpack to a pannier. It's admittedly not the best quality, but has lots of space to carry everything I need, and even handle some shopping extras when on the way home. Much easier to get on and off the bike too as it's lower down! I took it a little step further and attached some metal helmet QR buckles to a woven bag and the rack (to carry any large items). Seems fine up to about ~12kg before the buckle pops open (over bumps) so I typically load it up to ~4-6kg.

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience. It's so helpful for others to hear.

@lois6187

2 жыл бұрын

I have aldi panniers that convert to backpack. Can’t beat 13 euro.

Toss the backpack into a basket and secure with cheap stretch net. Most convenient, organized, fast, secure.

@bipbop3121

3 жыл бұрын

yea, cargo net is superior evolution of the bungie.

@stsstz2586

3 жыл бұрын

Backpack is not really comfortable for longer rides because you get sweaty underneath on longer rides (>5 km).

I went from box on a rack, to panniers, and now I use a backpack. I prefer the backpack of all the methods. I made sure to get a pack made for cycling, which has a structure that keeps the pack off my back for airflow and the straps curve in a way to follow a riding position. Plus it has a mounting area for my rear flashing light. I live in Vic and it rains a lot, and no issues yet.

I like the first option because it protect your items from rain. save you a lot of weight from your backpack

I’m a backpack type of person. I’ve been wearing backpacks my whole life. It’s just comfortable and feels secure. I also find it convenient as it’s easy to carry, doesn’t require any fiddling to get on or off the bike. It’s just a grab and go solution. I understand how not having a bike can give you a sense of lightness and freedom but for me, that feeling turns into a feeling of worry that something is missing or forgotten.

@johnesparza9149

2 жыл бұрын

When my backpack is too heavy, (student), my back just starts hurting...

Before the panniers, I used milkcrates and zip ties. I even used the collapsible vegetable crates. They’re longer and hold more, but can make the ride a little sketchy.

@arturogonzalez276

Жыл бұрын

Do the panniers make it good for groceries

@JaydelCorro

Жыл бұрын

@Arturo Gonzalez panniers are awesome. They close securely, and most times, you can just drop your shopping bag into them.

This channel has been really helpful, I just bought my bike and I'm getting everything I need to go to work without many problems

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing! Good luck to you

Thank you , to show the demo of 4 different type to carry things on cycle. and use it properly. Thankful for videos.😊

One thing you didn't consider, if you are carrying your valuable stuff in an open basket or crate and have a crash all your stuff is going propelled all over the road and very likely ran over or otherwise destroyed. Panniers keep your stuff with your bike and a backpack keeps them with your body. I tried carrying textbooks around in a backpack once and the considerable weight causes extreme pain in the posterior. Panniers are the only way to go in my opinion until you get up to a certain weight after which a trailer is the way to go.

yup, I'm with you on the panier. I have done the milk crate on the back when I lived in a hot country - I fastened it on to the back rack - it was really good.

@31xrg

3 жыл бұрын

Never stow a computer where it could bounce out!

@dawsontennant3900

3 жыл бұрын

@@31xrg yeah I actually got careless one time and threw my laptop into the crate on my bike before going to work. I missed and the laptop landed on the concrete driveway. It survived, but I felt kinda no too clever about it.

Love your review and taking the risk of sharing what you think is best to use. Most youtuber would play it safe. Thanks.

I usually keep an insulated reusable grocery bag in my basket, it keeps everything secure because it has a zipper and when I get my goods after work they stay cool! This was a cool video, thanks for doing the hard work.

One of the big factors is vibration. Backpack has the least vibration transmitted to your stuff. A pannier has some vibration but gets the weight off your back. Anything sitting on the rack is going to have a lot of vibration. Don't put a laptop in a milk crate because over time it can shake things up too much.

Got a hybrid between pannier and backpack (Ortlieb Vario PS). Love it! On the bike it's off your back and off the bike it's not awkward to transport and/or looks "weird" which is in my opinion the biggest downfall of pannier bags.

It was almost nostalgic seeing mount royals campus, also super helpful to get some insight from someone who's prepping for calgary commuting 🤣

Good info. I'm still using the small backpack and yes @30° it still makes you sweat! Thanks

A cargo net can vastly improve the basket and milk crate's functionality. I still prefer panniers for carrying lots of stuff and a trunk bag for less stuff, but the problem with lots of capacity is that it encourages you to carry more stuff. Ask me how I know.

@hexxed4245

Жыл бұрын

How do you know

@Korina42

Жыл бұрын

@@hexxed4245 😄 Because I've carried much too much stuff.

front basket or backpack! because after every bump I want to check that I still have my stuff - after loosing bag with all my keys I'm paranoid.

I love your channel!!! I live in Calgary and always fancy the idea of bike commuting. I’m so glad that you’re here❤❤

Thanks for the video, I love your basket, and decided to buy one as soon as I saw it. I bought an Axiom Market Basket LX, it clamps on the rack in the same way yours does.

Carrying low keeps your CG low, which make steering more controllable. I use a BoB trailer that I have had for over 25 years. I still Love it. It still works great.

I'll stick to my backpack as a primary choice. Works well because once you're off the bike it's better than carrying something on your hands, and most journeys outside of commuting involve that, for example walking around town shopping once you've cycled there

Just discovering your videos! thanks for making them. So helpful now that I just purchased my first adult bike :)

I'm so glad you like panniers too. I bought some when I was riding through Europe and liked them so much, I've used them ever since. I keep them loaded with tools, inner tubes, cold weather gear, rope and bungee cords (for lashing big loads onto the rack). Yes, it's heavier but I'd rather have the security of having the gear and not having to think about it.

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree. I have some repair tools and a spare tube in my panniers, and I leave them there are all times.

When picking a backpack: take one with waist strap and chest straps. The waist strap will carry most of the weight, the chest strap will keep things tight. There is zero mounting and demounting work. And it is usable outside of your bike comute. A good backpack however will cost a bit more, than the other options. Here in Germany I assume 60-100 € for a good one. In the end, it is an individual thing I think.

I need to upgrade the way I am carrying my groceries, thanks for the video.

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

One of the most useful commuting and shopping setups I ever had was a large Wald rear pannier basket. Drop backpack or anything else in there and throw a bungie cord over the top. Always worked great, and it was cheap.

Omgosh, I'm in ❤ with the blue 💙 panniers... Must save up for those babies!

One option not presented here are the folding baskets that can be added to either side of a rear mounted rack. The pro of these is that they're permanently attached to your bike so if you're out and about and grab something on a whim, the baskets are ready to go, but otherwise fold neatly away when you don't need them. The con is that you're always carrying around that extra weight whether you need them or not. Also, if you're using your bike for a grocery shopping trip, you'll want to be careful not to buy more than can fit into the baskets, barring any additional carrying capacity you might have in the form of a backpack or something. You can also still bungee things to the top of the rack, as long as it doesn't interfere with the baskets hanging off the sides. Oh, and one other con - since the basket is made of metal wires welded together, watch out for sharp ends on the wires. One time I was carrying cans of beer without putting them in a bag, and one of the beer cans got punctured, resulting in wasted beer!

@matthewcain2880

Жыл бұрын

I love the folding basket! The only downside for me is that they’re heavy

@adamlytle2615

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewcain2880 yeah for sure. Generally manageable but every once in a while I'll take the rack /baskets off and my bike will feel so light.

Great video! I'm using a basket in the back, I made it permanent so it is secure and tight enough. I feel like this is the best option because I can use any bags that I have and just throw the bag in the basket while commuting. (Not throwing my stuffs one by one like you did, that's not practical actually lol) Ohh I also make it more secure by adding an elastic rope so the bag or anything inside the rack wont fall off while I ride.

For larger loads, the best is a trailer. I have one you can dismantle in a few seconds and put it in the trunk, just like the foldable bike. This offers the best modularity and you can carry tens of kilos safely.

Thank you very much for creating videos. And these videos help me to bike to work, now I am almost able to not use my car! Thanks again!

you forgot the front basket

@cdgonepotatoes4219

3 жыл бұрын

they're a good way to catapult all your stuff to the side, at least that's half the front baskets I see on the market.

When I've used a milk crate, I used multiple bungies so it wouldn't move as much. But, yeah, panniers are the best way I think.

Thanks for the info. Dig the vibe too.

I've owned a Topeak MTX Trunk Bag for a few years now. It's great because it starts small, but the side panels open and you get two big panniers to carry a lot of stuff. I also bought their collapsible MTX Rear Basket (crate). It has a telescoping handle and wheels (like luggage) so I can take it into a grocery store and use it like my own little shopping cart. I added their cargo net and groceries are secure. I've been very happy with those two products. No backpack for me when riding.

A bike trailer is really nice if you are grabbing groceries on your way home.

One other consideration is weight distribution. It is amazing how much of a difference it makes in bike handling between items stowed low in a panier vs the same items high on your back.

@LeagueOfLegendsQc

8 ай бұрын

Care to explain? I'm currently into making the switch, I'm a new rider that's annoyed with back sweat on my way to school and my 30 min bike commute. Don't have a rack on my bike either

Thank you! Great advice, this has made it easier. I found a pretty nice pannier online. Cheers!

Thanks! so glad i snatched all those milk crates back in college.

I've never seen a crate strapped to the back of a bicycle before but I love the idea for carrying misc junk. My panniers have holes in them and the Velcro on the back side of the bags is a pain to deal with especially when it's raining. Might give the old crate a try some time.

backack and one handed biking when carrying cargo short distances (5 miles or less) has been my preferred method for 12 + years lol

@keisreeman

3 жыл бұрын

@Stephen Beary damn I live in fear anytime I ride one-handed.

My favorite 2 milk crates one on either side of my rack hooked with s hooks and a bungie on each side, also the type of backpack makes a huge difference! 2 weeks of food one trip

OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO!!!!

A frame-mounted front rack works really well as well. Also a messenger bag that attaches to the rear rack, like the Ortlieb QL3.1 types work really well if you need to take all the stuff with you.

@lindatisue733

3 жыл бұрын

Does a front rack make your bike wobble, especially going faster? I've had front baskets and not tried a rack because of the wobble.

@TheSJCieply

3 жыл бұрын

@@lindatisue733 Front racks that are mounted to the fork or handlebars do. A number of cargo bike manufacturers, mainly in the Netherlands, make bikes with racks mounted directly to the frame. In this case, the bike is often more stable. Since these bikes are designed to be ridden upright, most (probably over 80%) of the weight is in the back of the bike, so a front rack balances out the back. I'm not sure you can easily retrofit a bike to have a front rack however. Here are some examples: azor.nl/azor-fietsen/

@lindatisue733

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSJCieply Thanks for the link. When I need a new bike I might be able to find a Dutch bike with the frame rack.

Thank you for these videos! If you're gonna visit Prague someday, let me know and I'll do a cycling tour for you:D that'd be fun. Anyways - I'm bike commuter for more than 5 years and I still mostly wear backpack, because when you arrive to your destination/transfer, it's the most convenient to carry around while walking. I also bought some Danish bags for side attaching, but I only use them when I go shopping...

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

I'd love to visit Prague some day. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Your analysis is very helpful. Thx sir 🤝

Splendid, put my basket on. I liked this video yes!!!!👍😅

Never been fond of the way front things affect the steering, but I guess it'd be okay as an extra thing for light stuff. I've always preferred panniers, although uh I pretty much never take them off (even with regular groceries or not overly valuable stuff inside). Never felt like it was strictly needed here in the Netherlands living outside the city, mostly doing my basic shopping in surrounding towns. In one of those towns it's apparently still safe to keep an unattended unchained bicycle pump for people to use at the small sidedoor for repairs etc of a bike store, has been like that for years. I do typically use a backpack in addition to that since I leave my panniers on the bike, stuff for an office commute easily fit in there and when shopping at more than one store valuable things will be in the backpack if possible. Did get one of those fancy hiking backpacks by Osprey though that has a hip strap so the weight isn't on your shoulders. And it has an inward curving back, reduces storage space a bit but that air gap between me and the backpack reduces the sweaty back problem. Realised now that I've seen the school kids having something useful as well the last few years. Some of them seem to have regular pannier bags but with something mounted on top of the rack as well that can securely hold on to typical school backpacks.

"3 tins of beans... that could be lunch?" Me: *laughs in British*

I use backpack for 16 years & luv it, can use on any bike I have w/o change.

Really appreciate this!!

The backpack is a really sweaty option in Australia - really horrible! I agree that panniers are fantastic. And they’re more secure than the baskets, which would not even be an option for carrying expensive items in dodgy areas of the city.

I use a milk crate with 2 bungee cords. works great!

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

Happy to see another bungee man!

A good shoulder bag, like a camera bag. For short distances like biweekly visit to a grocery store a bag or two in handlebars has worked for me always.

I needed this video. Thank you ❤

I just always make my own panniers out of buckets of some sort.

@raffisandoval9103

3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant! Like permanently attached baskets on the side of the bike?

@buckettraveler8398

3 жыл бұрын

@@raffisandoval9103 My first ones were permanent but I bought the mounting hardware from Arkel. They are made to survive a nuclear blast so I keep moving them to revisions. I'm on version 4.0 now.

A cargo net would be worthwhile for your basket or crate

November 2020…. Thanks for your videos!

I’m looking at the exact same Vincita Bags. They match my old road bike perfectly

You’re lucky ‘cos you live in a country where the roads aren’t dotted with potholes big enough to cause your stuff to fly out of the basket. Here in the UK, potholes are becoming a very serious problem for both cyclists and motorists with no end in sight.

@steyraug96

19 күн бұрын

Voting in the wrong people. From the US, we have the same problem. Too many people who vote, shouldn't: they are first order or magical thinkers, no idea the complexities or costs, and they don't care. So politicians pander to their wants, and take from those who produce, while taking a lot off the top and getting rich. Education doesn't help, especially now; they're teaching kids to answer, not to think. They think interaction should be like a video game: they select from a few answers, they don't process anything, articulate or understand anything. Which is the intended outcome, really. Good workers, not good thinkers. Thinkers challenge the status quo, which is profitable for those running the society...

Dude.. I was looking through your videos.. was wondering if you had a vid on the bike in this vid.. anyway.. what is it???

As a postman I use an over the shoulder mail bag. Easy to use and no sweaty back. Weight distribution can be a bit tricky at times tho.

As you said: I started with back pack. I got use to it. But now my commuter bike got a bike rack and I am using it. I added.... drums here.....🥁.... the MILK Plastic Box!!! With bungee cords!!! I use bungee to adjust the box to the rack and other bungee to secure the cargo. Hello from Puerto Rico!! 🇵🇷😊🚲

Does anybody know what bike is he using ?? I like it so much.♥️

Put a few wipes in ziplock. Don’t need whole case.

loving your work 😍

I have both Panniers and backbag, panniers for summer time, back bag for winters, both work perfectly.

where do you get a milk crate from these days? Disadvantage of backpack especially at night I ride with a reflective vest the backpack obscures the vest,

@DavidDouglasToth

3 жыл бұрын

Found grey, real deal milk crates for 8 bucks each at target yesterday. 1st time I've seen them for sale. Normally not for sale and just taken by people.

@pharaohsmagician8329

3 жыл бұрын

Just go steal one from behind your local Walmart go at night time and be very quick as there's usually trucks unloading at night time but they definitely will have empty periods of time. Early morning is even better, you could try from behind other grocery stores but Walmart is the best as they package them loosely with just some plastic wrap securing the pallet of stacked milk crates. Also you can ask a local Asian convinence store if you can buy one of theirs for a few bucks, probably you can also ask a McDonalds if you can buy one just make sure you appear friendly and well dressed when you ask and ask the manager in store directly. If they say no come back a few days later and try with another manager....

ah someone snatch my laptop ... lol

Used a laptop backpack starting outvand hated it. Loved the pannier rack and it changed the commute so much. One pannier and one laptop special pannier bag is what I use.

My old cargo rack had a spring arm on the top that laid flat most of the time, but I would often use it as a way to quickly clamp my backpack or messenger bag to the top of the rack (often kind of wedged against the seat post). It actually worked quite well and was very secure, and made it so I could use the same bag that I would want for the day anyway and just slip in on and off my bike very quickly. I think they make pannier systems that rely on spring arms like that as the main way to secure them, and those systems are very quick and easy to take on and off. Oh and I managed to use it to secure pizza boxes in a pinch when I got carry out.