I purchased one of these about a month ago and have found the quality of cut to be a large step up from the cheap saws available. I had to adjust my fence approx 1/2 degree out of the box, which took me all of about 2 minutes. It's good to see a review from someone who has years of use with one of these saws 👍

I picked this up during a Christmas sale at a great price but wanted to wait until I've had a chance to use it for some time before I posted a review. Having used it for the past few weeks I will now say that this is a very nice saw. The motor is powerful and the included blade is even pretty good. The brake is very smooth and fast. The miter is very Easy to use kzread.infoUgkxPeGkHOMe05FySypTOvYumxMn-xi39oRe and adjust and rock-solid when locked into position. The only drawback I can find is that the bevel adjustment only works one direction, which makes you think a little bit when making cuts. All in all, a VERY nice saw at a great price (when on sale). Highly recommend.

I have had the KGS 216 M for a couple of years now, and I am quite pleased with it. I bought it at a local hardware store, and it was actually the cheapest option in stock as it was on sale. It is however my first mitre saw, as I had already learned the lesson about not buying the cheapest option years ago, when I bought my first hammer drill and plunge router. The gearbox on the hammer drill (Power Craft) broke first time I used it, so it couldn't even finish one job. Same with the router (Power Super). I bought it to make dados in some fence posts. The handle on the left broke almost emidiately , and the cheapo 8mm bit (6mm shank) broke after about 50cm on the first post. My dad had to finish the dados with a cirkular saw. The manufacturer even had the gall to write "Profi" on the box of a $20 tool... 15 years later, and the hammer drill has been replaced by a Bosch GBH 18V-20 rotary hammer, and the router by a Bosch POF 1200 AE, a Makita RT0700CX4 and a table mounted Triton MOF001. :)

Man, I love your bench!! The retractable socket looks superb.

Great review, clear and to the point. Thanks!

Just bought this Metabo this past weekend. Great piece of woodworking kit

@alexballstoyou6335

3 жыл бұрын

Which one?

Thanks, great content, will get the saw soon.

I picked up the 216 a few months back based on your video….it is awesome for my DIY projects…the value for money is unbelievable Considering I picked up on clearance sale. Not a perfect saw but awesome awesome for DIYer like myself…awesome video

I've the same saw since 2 years, and managed to break the dust-bag after a week... (clumsy move on my part) Apart from that, this is indeed a very useful tool and smart buy! :-)

great review my dude!

thanks for your response

Great review. I know what you mean when you say the first saw you buy is a cheaper one. I did the same thing.

I have the same saw and I'm very happy. I'm working with it almost everyday. It's the perfect tool for my work. Best regards! :)

@bkastel1

4 жыл бұрын

Is it accurate? When doing angle cuts are they precise or not? Some people have bad experience with Metabo...

I also don't like the depth stop idea. I bought KGS 305 model as I wanted to have ability to cut 10cmx10cm, and soft start (without modifying it and losing warranty). The same here, it is super accurate, I didn't have to adjust anything, just checked the angles, and pretty much the same, using it out of a box for over a year. Also I'm still using originally provided blade, as it is surprisingly good, and leaves nice cutting edge.

What a saw, got mine this week from TopDog Toolshop and already am very impressed with how it cuts. TopDog, their service and prices are incredible, give them a try, you wont be disappointed,

3 years on and still accurate cuts, probably worth the investment

@jescowan26

4 жыл бұрын

I got a budget second hand one, no rails just a drop it still goes great on small stuff, accuracy isn’t spot on and I can’t leave it plugged in or it overheats, but what do you expect for a freebie

Nice review, and I wholeheartedly agree. I've had the smaller version (KGS 216 M, 1500W, 216mm blade) for a few month now and am very happy with it.

@ofahlstrom

3 жыл бұрын

Where is the KGS 216 made? Thinking of getting one but curious if made in China...

@esweet100

2 жыл бұрын

@@ofahlstrom They are made in China.

Hi! I'm using the same saw and very satisfied overall. Two things I'm a bit bothered about, first is the tilt angle scale is bit hard to read because it's placed just below the slider and because of this, find it hard to read the exact tilt angle. And second is that on the 0 degree straight cut (with 0 degree tilt), looks like my saw somehow needs some adjustment because it's not cutting in a perpendicular way, it's off by 1 degree or so, any ideas on how can I adjust this?

Hi Thanks for providing a review about this Metabo machine. Could you please let me know how to calibrate it, the one (exactly the same model) I bought does not cut a a proper 90 degrees angle. Thanks

I’ve had mine for a couple years. The laser doesn’t work anymore and I have since read it can be an issue in this model. Otherwise pretty good. I modified the dust catcher sleeve, made a bigger one which works well with dust collection attached. Threw the dust bag away.

Is there any micro adjustment of the 45 degree bevel/ tilt position? The same for the default, 90 degree straight cut position?

Just came across your channel as I was looking for reviews on this saw before purchashing. Its so lekker to find a South African woodworking channel. I am a total newbie at this all. I have a Bosch professional circular saw, router and 18v drill I recently purchased as well as a DeWalt random orbital. Unfortunately I have no space for a table saw as I work outside under a car port and have to bring all my tools in at the end of the day. I was looking at the bosch pro sliding mitre but I chose to order this for the bigger 10" blade

@WoodshopJunkies

2 жыл бұрын

This is a great saw for the money. There are obviously better saws on the market but definitely not in the same price class.

Great review. I own the same saw. Excellent product. Mine wasn't square out of the box though. Keep up the great videos. Kind regards from the Netherlands.

@Duran-Richardson

4 жыл бұрын

Howzit bud. I've just bought the kgs216 m model and it is ever so off. Did you manage to get the cuts right and what did you do to get it right? Thanks in advance

@berendbotje6629

4 жыл бұрын

@@Duran-Richardsonjust search for miter saw adjustments or squaring a mitre saw. There are some excellent how tos out there. Adjusting the laser isn't that well covered I found out last week. But that can be figured out with use of the manual.

@habbekrats123

Жыл бұрын

Also from Netherlands, overall very satisfied with the saw which I have for about three years as well. Only issue lately is that the blade-guard does not fully retract and need to help it slightly from time to time. Anyone with the same issue?

I really like this method. My only concern is how you ensured the vertically of the augured 20mm holes? I would think if you were slightly off vertical the dogs either wouldn't fit or they also wouldn't be vertical either. Great video and channel

Good day. I bought myself one of these saws not to long ago. I would like to know how thus the clamp on the saw works or fastern the wood to the saw?

Great review! Can you estimate how much space does it require behind the saw?

Hi Jean, Ive had my Metabo Kgs254M for 2years and it works every day. Recently it started making growling sounds as soon as you release the the start-up. I started researching on what the cause can be for this growling sound. What I found was the gearbox needed some grease, took the blade off, sliding guide and undid the 2 screws holding the gearbox in place cleaned out all the old grease and replaced with new grease. It now runs quite again. I did check for any broken teeth but I was lucky I think because I caught it in time. But it is a great machine. Always listen to your machines they do need maintenance and cleaning after some time.

@gareth7762

2 жыл бұрын

Hi there, thanks for your insightful comment. I have a question for you if you don't mind, is the motor brushless?

@hannesvanvuuren4787

2 жыл бұрын

@@gareth7762, hi no it’s not a Brushless motor. What did find in the end, one of the bearings on the Armature had disintegrated, luckily I caught it just in time. Replaced it and I’m cutting again. I wanted to replace both bearings but unfortunately the Engineering Company one had the one. But I have ordered 3.

I have bought the metabo KGS 216 m. I have connected it via auto contact on the vacuum cleaner it starts but the vacuum cleaner does not stop when the saw stops some experience with this problem. With My Bosch saw it works

Nice review looking at this saw. Which saws did you have before?

I was wondering if the blade 255mm fits to this miter saw? Have you tried? What happened if I used one? And what best blade for this miter saw to cut steel would you recommend? Thank you!

Hello) please do you know how to adjust the 45 degree bevel stop? It is inaccurate on my 254 kgs, thank you, best regards Mulisy

Thanks, I’ve had the 216 for 5+ years, been perfect just put wooden zero clearance insert in. Yours has a dust chute behind the blade, I imagine that improves dust capture a little🤔

I have a problem with this saw, i cant get the saw blade square with the bottom base. there a tiny offset that need to rotate the blade a bit more clockwise, but there is a stop...

I got the kgsv version instead. The variable rpm is really handy when cutting aluminium and even steel. The festool was even better... but at 2.5 times the price for less cutting width and same power... not justifyable.

Noticed you slipped a few frames of the video, where the guard hits the wood before the cut is complete...!!

I have the smaller saw of these. Definitely get the bigger one if you do general construction as the smaller one might not have enough depth to cut through the beams that you use. What I like is dust collection. A bit escapes the connected vacuum but otherwise it's very well contained. The laser is useless. For mine it was off the center and the laser beam is too wide for the precision that I need. Instead of the laser, I just align the marker line with the saw blade tip when the saw is off, then start the saw and make the cut. The blade is very good, does not wobble in any way and I get very precise cuts with it. The motor is very loud but that's not a problem with protective headphones. I also have Metabo 4m saw stand (KSU 401) which works really well with these saws. The height of the stand with the saw mounted is perfect for me (5'10) without causing back problems. The stand is not super-stable, the legs are a bit weak and might take damage when you use it for cutting heavy beams but it's low weight and quite compact with legs folded into transportation position for portability.

Floor sander and direct stick timber flooring GURU here, been using one of these for nearly 10 years, only negative thing about it is it is noisy, and the laser line fails... Love Metabo products...quality just like me PeaceFromOZ

Which saw is better in the same price range

@Woodshop Junkies you still use the Saw now in 2021 ?

What vacuum collector do you use?

I would like to add that your review covers this saw well. It is a really nice saw and mine is running 1.5 years now with no hickups, no visible wear and still running the stock blade. I even cut aluminum with it and it just keeps performing with zero play. It is well worth the money. Great video

@anandyahamdi

4 жыл бұрын

Are you sure it's ok to cut aluminum with the stock blade?

@foekie

4 жыл бұрын

@@anandyahamdi Yes you can absolutely do that. I have cut lots and lots of aluminium with it. Still running the same stock blade and it is still sharp. Take it nice and slow with aluminium and you are fine.

@anandyahamdi

4 жыл бұрын

@@foekie How many teeth the stock blade has? I'm planning to order this metabo.

@foekie

4 жыл бұрын

@@anandyahamdi 48 teeth if I remember correctly. You can buy an aluminium blade if you really want though. I had one and my wood blade cut far better. Since then I use the wood blade.

@anandyahamdi

4 жыл бұрын

@@foekie I see. Afaik for aluminum usually use 100T. Thanks for share

Considering buying the "KGS 254 M 602540000" and looking at the specs it can also cut aluminum and cooper sheets,etc.. can it also cut steel tubes 30x30x2mm ?

Guess I'm a little late to the party for the discount lol... Great review... I'm currently in the market for a mitre saw. Really keen on the Bosch Axial Glide, but alas, no stock in the country currently, plus the cost is a bit rough for a weekend warrior like myself. This looks like a decent saw for someone like myself... Great to hear a fellow Saffer on the tube... +1 sub....

@katlegomohlala5545

3 жыл бұрын

Try checking online stores its 30% cheaper than competitors.

Im a Pro and have had 2 x 216s never missed a beat and always seems accurate.

@antigay4123

3 жыл бұрын

No they're not.

Thanks for a great review. I need to replace my Ryobi soon and this looks like a great fit for my shop. One question thou. Where do you get your Teak from? I have been looking and stugle to find.

@WoodshopJunkies

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Hansie. I haven't worked with Teak. The closest I come to Teak is Kiaat (sometimes called African Teak). I buy from a local exotic wood supplier called M & A Timbers.

I wonder if you can help me. I recently bought a kgs 254 plus and I am trying to fit a different blade than the one supplied. Now my model is a bit strange, the inner blade collar has two nipples that locate on a very specific type of blade which is driving me nuts as I can't find a 254 negative rake 60T blade with these holes cut of of the blade to accommodate the nipples. My question is, have you fitted a none metabo blade to yours? If so how did you get around this nipple problem. Hope you can help. Kind regards Lee UK.

It's says on a bevel cut 47 degrees but mine stops at 45 I is there anything I'm missing

I have just ordered one now, thanks for the super informative review. One question, the 'exhaust ', can you elaborate?

@Axel.No1

3 жыл бұрын

sawdust

Thanks for the information after watching your video i bought one from Takealot

Are the detents for the 15, 30, 45 and 90 degrees accurate? Can you just let it click into position and lock it up or is there "play" in the detent positioner? This is a very common issue in cheaper saws. I'm still on my second cheap saw and looking to upgrade.

@WoodshopJunkies

4 жыл бұрын

I will be honest, I have only used the 0 and 45 but I haven't had any issues. In the video, I simply turned it till it clicked into place and tightened. As for play, there isn't really any but if you force the turn table while it is latched you will be able to move it very slightly.

I own a KGS216M for about 7-8 years. Not happy with it. The price was good, so it says it all. Should have added 100 euros and bought a decent Makita with 216mm blade. Tried it - the sound, handling, stiffness were like a magic comparing to Metabo saw. Metabo blade wobbles, it's impossible to make precise 45 degree cuts (for example when installing baseboards). Recently I changed the ball bearings, reducer etc. - it was cheap, but didn't change the performance. Later on I'll avoid cheap mitre saws.

I have the same saw . works extremely well. Wasn't square out of the box...

@WoodshopJunkies

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's why I mentioned I think I just got lucky.

Aluminium, yes / no?

I have the smaller 216. Can’t get it to cut straight. The cutting line changes as it’s pushed from all the way out to all the way in. It always leave a bit of the pencil line.

@loganmedia1142

Жыл бұрын

Fence not at right angles perhaps?

Super Video

What about angle precision

Just ordered a 216 M; I have been frustrated with the small cutting width of my non-sliding Ryobi. Should have spent that bit more and bought a sliding saw the first time round.

@WoodshopJunkies

3 жыл бұрын

You won't regret it Steve. They are very nice machines for the money.

@strandloper

3 жыл бұрын

@@WoodshopJunkies Was on Takealot Daily Deals today for R3,699; looking around, that seems to be a good price.

I got a crappy version of that saw. Mine is kgs 305 m. It was a big disappointment from metabo. Problems started right at the beginning. First I noticed that the blade and the fence are not square. So i adjusted that. Second, blade and the base were also not square, ok it is adjustable. When I got all set up correctly it was still not cutting straight. The problem was that the slider "drifts" about 2mm to the left side of the base. So if I make cut 305mm using slider the blade forces itself against left side of the workpiece and therefore bends the blade right making twisted cut. So if yo make a cut like 300x100mm piece it'll be square at the beginning of the cut and out of square on the other end when you push the slider all the way back. If you use that saw locked down on mitersaw position it is possible to make square cut. Also the base of the saw and turntable are not aligned, turntable is tilted down to right about 1mm. And finalli worklight and laser went out about 1 month after i got this saw. Blade woble was also quite big on that saw. Left to right about 1mm, but i got that fixed grinding the flange. I have adressed local reseller about these problems and metabo headquarter about these problems, but they said that all those issues are in normal tolerance of that tool.

@peterch6909

4 жыл бұрын

Same here...

@altuspienaar7679

Жыл бұрын

I believe if you want a cheap saw stick to a smaller blade size as it will reduce any possible blade deflection. If you need a large blade you should only buy top models. I am considering buying the 216 because I can't justify the expense of a top of the range model for the work I am doing but still need a reasonable amount of accuracy.

Have this machine, brilliant just as you said it was. However having had it in storage the blade guard has been broken. How is the guard replaced? I can't find any KZread videos and Metabo UK have not responded. Can you help?

@WoodshopJunkies

Жыл бұрын

I have replaced my guard twice in the past. It is very simple. First you remove the blade. Behind the blade is a circlip keeping the blade guard in place. Before removing the circlip make sure to unhook the spring that keeps the guard closed when the saw is up. When fitting the new guard be aware of the placement of the guide roller.

@garywilson2076

Жыл бұрын

@WoodshopJunkies many thanks I got that far, but somehow when I lower the blade to cut, the guard also lowers so somehow I have fitted the spring incorrectly. Any chance of a video or sketch? Even a photo of how the spring fits would be great. Your more responsive than Metabo has been, thanks for that. Gary

How woud you say is the accuracy? Is this an accurate saw? Or does it gets inaccurate with time and you have to readjust it all the time?

@peterch6909

4 жыл бұрын

I just have my one for 3 days i am not happy i would try to tune it but my one was not accurate from box... not happy

no bevel?

Hi Jean. I want to upgrade from my Ryobi mitre saw to a Metabo. I have the same shop vacuum as you. Can you please explain what fitting you use to connect your vacuum to the mitre saw? Thank you!!

@WoodshopJunkies

4 жыл бұрын

With the Advance Vac you get a rubber reducer for the house attachment. It fits into the dust port on the KGS254.

@karookind3529

4 жыл бұрын

@@WoodshopJunkies baie dankie, Jean!!! Waardeer dat jy so gou antwoord. Theresa Botes

Hey, thanks for the review... So I applied the discount code and saw that it's only a 2,5% discount. Is that correct!?

@WoodshopJunkies

4 жыл бұрын

On the 216 yes because that saw is currently already on promotion. They are offering a further discount to you guys.

@TheQuaanit

4 жыл бұрын

@@WoodshopJunkies oh! Makes sense! Thanks for clarifying

Hi, I liked the video but was hoping you'd show how to remove and replace the guard cover. Any chance please?

@petermills9755

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Andrew did you manage to find any info on removing the guard cover, mine doesn’t slide with the blade, think the guard slipped back while cutting timber heard a bang and that was it, just can’t work out the mechanics of the arm that lets it slide back and forth with the blade, only happened yesterday 27/08/2021 Thanks from Australia 🇦🇺

@andrewmackenzie4233

2 жыл бұрын

@@petermills9755 Hi Peter, Sadly, no. Yours is the only response. I finally gave up a couple of days ago and binned it all as it was so unsafe to operate.

@petermills9755

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewmackenzie4233 Thanks Andrew, Contacted Metabo Australia about mine, told them the saw is not useable and very unsafe, they ask me to take to a service centre, on which they would review the problem, hinting it might have been a user problem, so not holding my breath, the saw is only 4 months old, should have bought Makita, anyway stay safe, and thanks again for your reply

Hi there, I know this is comment is a year late but I'm curious to know if the 216 has any major drawbacks rather than the 254, seeing as the 216 costs almost half the price. Would the 216 still be fine cutting any type of wood?

@WoodshopJunkies

3 жыл бұрын

The 254 is slightly more powerful and can handle larger stock but 90%+ of the cuts I make, I would be able to make with the 216 also.

@TheAppocalipz

3 жыл бұрын

@@WoodshopJunkies Ahh thanks for the speedy reply. That is awesome I'll definitely go with the 216 then

I can't find any information on the motor on this saw. Anybody know if its brushless?

@gareth7762

2 жыл бұрын

I have the kgs 216 m and I'm happy with it but I still would like to know what kind of motor it has

First saw was a Ryobi which was fairly ordinary. Current saw is festool which is spectacular but horrifically expensive!

@user-nq1ii9ob6e

5 ай бұрын

Вы из какой страны и сколько у вас стоит festool kapex 120?

@JS-rz5gx

5 ай бұрын

@@user-nq1ii9ob6e I'm in New Zealand and they currently retail for about $3,300 now which is about USD$2000. Its a great saw, but honestly it IS a crap tonne of money.

@user-nq1ii9ob6e

5 ай бұрын

​@@JS-rz5gx у нас в России данная пила стоит 3000 долларов США.средний заработок гражданина 500 долларов США.

Tips. Very important if you would like to saw with precision. (avoid torsion as much as possible)! Always choose a Miter saw with a handle positioned in a vertical line above the saw blade. Everything must be aligned, slide rails, handle, and saw blade,it is much better this way the blade will not tilt. Because there is some torsion in the aluminum housing . And choose an engine with softstart on it to prevent wear of the gear and worm shaft. It is very important that everything is aligned. Here are some examples to show how the handle must be positioned above the blade. Bosch gcm 800 sj / Bosch gcm 8 sjl / Evolution rage 3 / FESTOOL KS 60 / HITACHI C12RSH2 / FESTOOL KS 60 E KAPEX / Metabo KGSV 72 Xact (This also is the case with the Miter saw without the slide rails). If you want you can test it yourself at home if there is torsion in the aluminum housing. Step-1. First you make a saw cut from +-5 mm deep in to a flat piece of wood about +- 20 mm thick. To this with the normal handle positioned on the right side of the Miter saw. Step-2. Then repeat this by pushing the saw blade down with your hand (finger) on the aluminum protective cover were the saw blade is cased in. Just now only do this without the running engine. Step-3. Now you can see if the saw blade will be positioned in or next to the saw cut. If the saw blade is (+- 0,2 / 0,5 mm) next to the saw cut then there is torsion in the aluminum housing. Step-4. therefor it is much better to choose a Miter saw with the handle positioned vertical in line above the saw blade. Conclusion: how further away the handle is from the saw blade how more chance of torsion in the aluminum housing. .

Cus taxes and or insurance..

Hi nice video, is the product made in china or Germany?? Thanks

@ofahlstrom

3 жыл бұрын

Wondering the same. Did you find out?

@capturebysin4310

3 жыл бұрын

made in china，Very disappointed, it can’t cut very accurately

Anyone bought from topdogtoolshop before? Any feedback?

@atjohnson4831

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, tried them this year. Very responsive sales team which is good but stock has been an issue so check availability of items before you buy. I'm still waiting for some order items 3 months later but it has been a pretty crazy year

If only this machine was for sale here at a comparable price. Nope. Overpriced and very expensive Bosch is the only choice for a sliding miter saw. The rest is cheaper but still overpriced chinesium without the feature.

Nice review. I find it almost never pays to skimp on the quality of tools. you generally find that, as you have indicated, the better tools just work better. Myself I prefer a 12" (304.8mm) miter saw over the 10" (254mm) versions, just as I would not mind a 12" table saw over my 10" ... but this is a place where cost wins ... if you are not cutting a lot of 4" + thick stock, then the 10" is probably just fine. If you look up " Fisher's Workshop" channel he has a build vid on his miter saw dust collector ... Also Justin Depew ... both went to great lengths to capture as much dust as possible from the miter saw - as you use MDF a lot, you might benefit in such a small space ( Justin's shop was even smaller and in the middle of his apartment) Keep up the GREAT work and congrats on the partnership!!

Not impressed, squaring up the blade to the table is a hassle, the blade that was supplied isn't running true.

У меня 305м только вышел обзор на пилу на моем канале!

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Ahhhhhhhhh bored

The motor are using coal. This will cost you money in the long run.

Which saw is better in the same price range