FYI, you could use SHAPER_CALIBRATE instead of TEST_RESONANCES and just let Klipper try to find the optimal parameters for the input shaper for the requested axis!

@rebelangel66

Жыл бұрын

You can add AXIS=x to select the axis. So SHAPER_CALIBRATE AXIS=x to calibrate the x-axis. Same for y.

@PedroLamas

Жыл бұрын

Modbot already does that in the video, I was just pointing out he doesn't actually need the charts, he can just let Klipper select the best value given the results

@justintime7721

Жыл бұрын

I just got my sonic pad and now x and y is separate, /you run x then you move it to y and then hit next

On a side note, we (the Fluidd devs) have just realized that Creality has broken our license by changing Fluidd code (including the main logo AND THE COPYRIGHT!!) and not shared those changes... it's nice to see Fluidd in use in such a product, but it is a shame we were never contacted about this and they just decided to change the code and remove any reference to Fluidd or the team who actually maintains said code...

@iikkakonola

Жыл бұрын

Can you get any help with possibility to get a lawsuit against them?

@PedroLamas

Жыл бұрын

@@iikkakonola we won't bother with that, it's not like we do this for the money (hint: there isn't any to be made!), but would be good to actually know beforehand they were going to use our code and maybe ensure they actually follow our license terms...

@iikkakonola

Жыл бұрын

@@PedroLamas yeah well, morale or manners differ quite a bit in some countries. Still, kudos for making the world a bit better place with that software. I am still on a verge with marlin, waiting if i should swap. Don't just know if i should get that sonic pad just yet.

@TH3DStudio

Жыл бұрын

Creality is no stranger to stealing code from the community without credit or proper source code provided. Sadly, not many consumers seem to care about companies respecting open source licenses...

@reliablerusty7039

Жыл бұрын

@@iikkakonola Methinks you should think about how Creality obtained the software for that tablet and then decide.

As stated by Nero, 3d printers have been capable for a long time limited only by the available software (and crap hotends). Self configurating firmware isn't something everyone wants to do. The sonic pad is just the first step in bringing Klipper to masses. The day is coming soon where 3d printers will come with Klipper pre installed. Fun times.

@zulubreaker9295

Жыл бұрын

It's pre-installed on the FLSUN V400...still waiting for mine to arrive.

@urban2153

Жыл бұрын

@@zulubreaker9295 Congrats on the new very fast printer.

@freedome4070

Жыл бұрын

Yep klipper is magic dust, the ender transforms into core xy, great.

@saltwaterrook4638

Жыл бұрын

Already comes on the 400 as well as the Bambu labs machine.

@scotthancock8225

Жыл бұрын

@@saltwaterrook4638 Bambu Labs does not use Klipper or any fork of it, it is a ground up custom firmware

Looks like Creality has now implemented Mainsail support as of Nov. 2nd. I would love to see an update to this video that focuses on the fixes and Mainsail support.

As a many years Linux and rPi user I found Klipper it quite easy to install on a standard rPi. However without the Linux/rPi experience Klipper is not the easiest thing to manage, simply too many details. This looks like a leap forward in users friendliness and if Creality manages it well could soon become the standard to operate Klipper. As to the hardware the price looks perfectly fair to me. In essence this is a low end tablet as far as screen, memory and processor go with Linux + Kipper instead of Android. Add the additional ports plus the included bits like the accelerometer and I don't think they can make it much cheaper (at least initially).

@MrStoffzor

Жыл бұрын

With 0 prior experience with Linux i managed to install xubuntu, klipper and mainsail on a laptop which is now happily controlling my cr-10 V2. Just takes some researching, all the info is readily available out there. But yes, sonic pad was announced just as i started looking into klipper and I was seriously contemplating holding up until I could get one.

@jakemosely9377

Жыл бұрын

Right, the extra $70 or so seems very worth it to me to just have it done. Plus all the additional features and a more friendly UI.

well shit, this is significantly better than I expected from reality, ar more put together, kudos to them on this

Thank you. I was waiting for someone to explain what this sonic pad thing was all about.

Thanks for the review! Looking forward to test print comparisons pre and post Klipper install once the input shaper issue is resolved.

@MrStoffzor

Жыл бұрын

Before and after: sharper corners, less ringing and ghosting, faster prints due to higher acceleration. Potentially less stringing if tuning pressure advance on a bowden (my experience)

Thanks my boy for turning us onto this filament. I've ordered twice now and I love the way it prints. Very cheap price but great quality.

@ModBotArmy

Жыл бұрын

Awesome I am stoked to hear that. I am really looking forward to them having additional colors in the future to :)

@mcorrade

Жыл бұрын

@@ModBotArmy ya me too. Do we know what colors are coming and when?

I would love a more in depth video about the sonic pad. Thanks for all you do!

This looks so cool! Had anyone, but Creality done this...

@zulubreaker9295

Жыл бұрын

Actually - see FLSUN Speeder Pad

I love that this is a simple option and hope that they keep it open source. That way klipper is easier and we can keep developing with more platforms for free.

@PedroLamas

Жыл бұрын

They forked Klipper, Moonraker, KlipperScreen, and Fluidd, changed the source code, and then didn't provide those changes as required by the licenses... how is that keeping open-source?

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

​@@PedroLamas sounds like they are really forking over the open source community

just got mine installed on a ender 5 plus. After a very long day of installing it and getting it printing properly i gotta say im very happy with it. its printing far nicer quality and faster aswell. Loving all the new features my printer has with it. One of my favorite features is a small one but helps alot which is the wifi. Sometimes u gotta slice a few times to change settings and being able to send it wirelessly saves alot of time over all. The only complaint would be the installation process. The instructions arent very clear and i ended up bricking my machine for a frustrating 45 mins or so. But in the end it was all worth it.

@themysticmakers4908

Жыл бұрын

What was your issue getting it setup? I'm having an issue when it says plug the printer to the screen. I do, it says connecting. Then gives me a red klippy error box on the top half of the screen. Anybody have an idea??

@istayhighi1540

Жыл бұрын

@@themysticmakers4908 it was something to do with the firmware. I had to create it manually or something like that to fix that issue.

Thanks great post. I had asked around (and on creality live feed but they don't answer questions like that LOL) and tried to find out whether these ran more than one printer at a time, This week I thought they must or everyone would be saying. I ordered Thurs then saw your video, the only one I had seen that told me "just one printer" lets hope it gets sorted, I have seen today that a printer flashed using pad will only run with pad attached. I always find loads of info after 🤣🤣🤣

Suitable for self-assembly 3D printers!

So, the Sonic Pad, itself? Very slick. I like. However.... Bad on Creality for failing to keep the printer's onboard control panel operational. I would insist on keeping the onboard controls operational, in case the add-on Pad were to fail. Based on that, I'll be passing on the Sonic Pad. Raspberry Pi with a touch screen and OctoPi is the safer solution.

Great vid well done! Price point is the killer for me!

it makes it easier to bridge the gap and I respect that, but for those who already have klipper on this will be a step back... you can use the New BTT CB1 and RPB4 kit $40 + find an old tablet and place it near the printers to control the klipper. I do like their ADXL kit tho, I hate wiring that thing everytime I want to do input shaping.

Sucks for us folks who have printers like the S1 plus though...

Got one of these, aside from the Klipper aspect, the sheer utility of having a full blown easy control mechanism for almost all the settings during printing, not to mention the ease of use, web interface etc. Most deffo worth it for me. Way better than the limited UIs you always have.

Idk if was your doing or not but I'm glad it ask to switch to the Y-Axis!

I totally agree with your recommendations to the features that should be implemented to give equal functionality as per a raspberrypi installed klipper instance. If modified to accommodate the flexibility it is value for money, especially with the shortage of raspberrypis at the moment. I have held off as I want it confirmed that these upgrades have been implemented successfully before I start buying these.

@lilvenaz

Жыл бұрын

It is more of an endgame mod imo

@MrV8rick

Жыл бұрын

@@Happy3dprinting they said I won too LOL

@Happy3dprinting

Жыл бұрын

@@MrV8rick guess we are all winners, sonic pads for all 😂

@MrV8rick

Жыл бұрын

@@Happy3dprinting and a s1 pro

Would be really cool to have Klipper on Android. The USB port on a tablet is bidirectional so it can host as well as client.

I would love a vid on how to use this pad on other printers

Is this compatible with the S1 Plus yet? As the plus is just a larger S1 would I use the same firmware or would it have its own dedicated firmware?

Good review I needed the info.

I really hope they do open it up and allow SSH access and/or flashing your own operating system. Because not only would have have to trust a device from Creality in your home network that, even if not malicious, might have very outdated security, but the device is probably also quite crippled compared to what could be unlocked with custom software.

So this effectively "breaks" the original display. Since the pad is a replacement screen, can you unplug the original one or is it required to boot up? I have been looking at Octoprint, but have been licking myself for never buying a Pi in the last several years when I had a chance. This seems to add most if not all Pi functions, in a stream lined interface for a descent price (considering the current Pi pricing and detailed setup to get it working). An out of the box functionality is awesome. I assume you writing the Klipper to the Ender main board effectively erases the original Marlin code or does removing the pad and restarting the printer bring back the Marlin interface and original display?

Would this work too with modified printers? Like I have CrTouch installed on my Ender 3 V2, can this profile still be used or do I have to use the S1 profile where CrTouch is preinstalled? I'm completely new to Klipper and have no idea if you can easily modify it

New big update yesterday. Multiple printers at same time capability is biggest new feature imp.

Apparently there is a way to set up klipper screen on an android device I found one video tutorial but unfortunately it's in Korean I have so many android phones and tablets just siting here doing nothing it would be nice to repurpose one for this especially one of my old rooted 2015 fire 7 tablets

Would be nice to hear you discuss what the Sonic offers other than wireless access and a webcam, and if the stock touchscreen becomes an ornament.

@Mojo1094

Жыл бұрын

I would like to know this too. I have changed out my screen and went with straight Marlin firmware, but if this would help with the chronic bed leveling issues I'm going through that would be fantastic

works great .. if you have a stock.. creality machine, mines not stock, how well does it handle replacement MCU's.. mine has a SKR 1.4 E3 in it, i doubt that's going to come out of the box..

Sold out.

Great video!

I got mine too. Having some issues with first layer but not a bad product.

Yeah, I can't even get to the logo. Just the dots before it boots. No clue how to get mine running, or how to hard reset the sonic pad. but thanks for the video

Oh the rabbit hole but it was worth it

I bought one of these. I have an Ender 3 v2 and an S1 Plus. A lot more involved with getting the Plus to work since it wasn't an option. I had to select the Pro and then make changes within the Printer.cfg. Not exactly the plug and play I was hoping for but it's gotten me into Klipper so...

I have a pile of Orange Pi Zero 2 boards and have used one of them for Octoprint with a 7" touchscreen enclosed in a case that attaches to my aluminium extrusions and can be moved to the correct angle for viewing, its a great device and has freed up one of my Raspberry Pi 4 boards for another project, I could buy 2.8 of these Orange Pi and screen setups for 1 of the Creality offerings, I realise these are ideal for novices who dont want to install software themselves but they are far too expensive IMO for what they are. I would want to see how this Creality device pans out, ie what faults and shortcomings it has because every Creality product always has faults which never get fixed by Creality instead choosing to let the community to repair their products, if this is the case then I would say people are better off with the Orange Pi setup from the start.

@EricStorms

Жыл бұрын

I’ve recently been looking at banana and orange pi boards. Being a novice myself, in your experience is there enough info out there for someone like me to get I to print and/or clipper running on one?

@Ruboka

Жыл бұрын

did you only use octoprint or did you also use the orange pi for Klipper? Or does the orange pi zero 2 not work well enough for klipper? If this is cheaper and usable I would really like to go this route further. This sonic pad is interesting for sure.

@woodwaker1

Жыл бұрын

Andrew, good analysis. I found that a touchscreen is not a requirement or really needed for Klipper, I just use my web interface and an old LCD display to observe temps. I have my concerns about Creality, there has been a lot of discussion about their "borrowing" ideas from others. I can see this being useful for Creality owners, but can't see anyone else using this. I think they do need to release their software for examination and modifications by the users.

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

I disagree with the premise of the sonic pad. The whole point of installing Klipper is to give yourself more options for tuning and firmware configuration. seems like with the sonic pad you get an upgrade path, but ultimately it's a dead-end.

just got mine today and can't get it to work on my ender 3 max

First off great video simple and concise .Run 2 v2 for rc plane parts .Don't see this as a must have upgrade .Not the money .Both my machines run jyers( yes I know it's old ) but it gives me all the capabilities I need .My thoughts are buy a better / more capable printer .PS I'm not tinker I'm a tuner Again great video showing its plus .

No native Ender 3 v2 Neo compatibility??? They launched at the same day didn’t they?

Got the sonic pad just recently, and the x/y swap for the accelerometer is fixed now. Only thing is, they didn't include a bracket for the bed, so I got one from printables

I got my Ender -3 S1 Plus yesterday set it up to run with my Creality Sonic Pad plugged in the USB to the Sonic pad theen plugged the other end the usbc end into the printer and switched the power on 230v ? Flash flame out of the socket and killed the board !! Why ? I could be wrong but after looking at the USBC plug it had melted , was it put in the wrong way round ? Its not idiot safe it can be reverst ,then looked inside at the board !! Toasted ! Was it the plug the wrong way round that did it ? If it was let this be a very DANGEROUS WARNING to other potential printers with the same setup as mine !

*Are there any 3D printing experts available??* *Would I be able to flash the Ender 3 S1 Pro firmware to my Ender 3 S1 with this setup?* (Details below...) I'm getting back into the hobby after a few years' hiatus. I've modded plenty of devices both software and hardware so I'm not worried about any of that but have been having trouble finding information (likely due to the terrible naming scheme Creality uses which confuses Google). Now, onto my question... I just bought an Ender 3 S1, Sonic Pad, and an all metal hot end upgrade kit. *Would I be able to flash the Ender 3 S1 Pro firmware with this setup?* I want to be able to print at 300° so I can use more professionally graded filaments like Nylon Carbon Fiber, etc. I ended up getting insanely good deals on all of this equipment, which is why I didn't buy the Pro version but essentially just upgraded my standard S1 to an S1 Pro. (Which has still saved me like $300 doing it this way so long as this actually works).

8:20 correct me if im wrong, but an accelerometer can usually measure all 3 directions nowadays. I cant see the problem here.

Hello, question, could you make a review of this hot end? " Upgrade Bimetal Heatbreak High Speed Flow Ender 3 Direct Drive Extruder Dual Hardened Steel Gear Volcano Hotend"(is the direct drive version not the bowden) i can put the link up if you want

How can you get the pick printer option in your sonic pad cause I have the same interface like yours but I couldn't connect multiple printer because of missing of this future

looks like a great product! think I would be able to use this with my CR10 v2 that has a BTT SKR3 v3 board?

Question: Can you use this without the original control panel? Or as a replacement control panel.

If they add multiple printers this could be a great value. If you have say, 4 credulity printers and want to klipperize them quickly and easily. As is, it's a tough sell. Klipper is great, but an mks pi is $40, and while a touchscreen is nice it's by design not needed for klipper.

Has anyone used a sonic pad on an Ender 5 Plus? How fast can you print now?

@christopherc3214

Жыл бұрын

I want to know this also. I'm about to purchase the combo pack (5 S1 and pad) but not sure if I should buy it :P

can you use octoprint with this screen?

Hi I need your help. I am interested in entering the field of 3D printing and am debating whether to buy the ender 3 s1 pro or the cr10 smart pro and I need to know if the sonic pad works and doubles the speed in the cr10 smart pro as well?

I can’t even run the input shaping because they keep sending defective cords for the accelerometer

At first blush, the price-point seems reasonable ( however, it shows "out of stock" currently ). I did not see the Creality-10S ( or anything other than Ender-3xxx in the supported printers on their site ) as being a supported printed. Agreed that there needs to be configs in the community.

@tonysmith7702

Жыл бұрын

Creality sold out of them in 30 mins a week ago when they became available.

So being quite new to 3d printing and looking to get the sonic pad for my s1 pro - can you confirm if the item you brought up been fixed now or even do an update vid ? many thanks - sub'd liked

Can you tell me if this works with Sovol sv04, and Voxlabe Aquila?

This is a great video for set-up and start-up for the Sonic pad. I noticed that when you plugged in your camera, you had the LogiTech C270(ish) camera, which is super common. Do you have any insight into what specs a webcam has to have to run on the Sonic pad? I have a very generic eMeet C250 which is plug and play on every device I own (PC, Mac, Linux) - except my Sonic pad. What specs should a webcam have to run with this pad?

Klipper should be the Standard Software nowadays and not a 200$ (!!) Upgrade.

I would be very impressed if they add the things you asked. Most of these companies throw something on the market and the just move to the next one. But yeah, thanks for the video :)

@ModBotArmy

Жыл бұрын

I really hope that is not the case. They seem to have spent quite a bit of time on this so they just need to add a few tweaks.

@icesystem7

Жыл бұрын

@@ModBotArmy I wouldn't be surprised if in 6 months they would come with sonic pad 2 and have some incremental updates. Their whole software lineup is just a façade, once you dig below the surface you start noticing how many things are missing. Ex. why would you sell different nozzle sizes if you don't have the profiles in the slicer?

What about pressure advance? My understanding is that this will not work because creality 32 bit silent boards are hard wired with the TMC drivers in standalone mode and no UART. Basically this is an unfinished product and is a nice idea if they could actually utilize input shaping properly as well as finally let users take advantage of pressure advance.

@ModBotArmy

Жыл бұрын

Is this verified? This is the first time I am hearing that UART is required for pressure advance. Do you have a source?

@dmax9324

Жыл бұрын

@@ModBotArmy I'm not sure how to verify it other than that I spent many hours trying to research and find out myself. From what I could tell, Creality uses TMC2209 for their boards, but they are soldered onto the boards as standalone drivers and not enabled for firmware control. So if that is the case, then this additional hardware will not be able to make a difference in firmware control of the stepper drivers. There were several reddit spots that talked about modding creality boards via soldering, but I could not find anything specific to the S1 or S1 Pro (which I have). For pressure advance, you do need firmware control over the drivers. That's why SKR Mini E3 V3 comes standard in that configuration. So I bought one of those boards, a raspberry pi, and pressure advance works. I had contacted creality if I could buy another backup S1 Pro motherboard and they said no. I didn't want to modify the board nor try pressure advance with the stock board to confirm. It ended up being a complete mess to find out a simple thing like this ...

@dmax9324

Жыл бұрын

I should mention that it may work, but I saw several people mentioning that some had printing artifacts, failures mid print, errors, etc. It looked like the only reliable way was to have TMC2209s in UART mode and allow for controlling stealthchop vs spread cycle and not risking it with a stock creality board over time. So it may work, but I'm not sure how well or if it is not very stable, etc. I could not find a satisfactory consensus online. Klippers documentation says various features don't work if not in UART mode, but again, it wasn't totally clear to me if that included pressure advance

No E3 S1+, that seems odd with the other S1's on there by default. Hopefully they have it setup where you can just connect LAN and do an update before you start and add the whole database of C3D printers, no way am i paying this much and setting it up manually, i would just get a pi for that.

I wish they would have made it work with a hub, to control more printer, in a farm setup.

My stumbling block is my older Ender 5 Pro (using the original v1.1.5 8-bit board) and how to get it flashed from my Raspberry Pi using Mainsail OS. Can you point me to a video or resource that can help? As a note the E5Pro has a EZABL and EZOUT (with daughter board).

Flsun pad seems to have better specs. I will receive mine in few days.

@kimmotoivanen

Жыл бұрын

Does it (or FLSUN) have firmware and configurations for any printers? It looks like it's just Klipper + screen 🤔

Just subbed.. Very interested in this unit and running klipper on my E3v2. It seems some of the negative things you addressed looks to have been patched with a firmware published earlier this month.... Release notes from 11/02/22 firmware 1. Added 7 default models and the firmware update process for some models via USB cable, and improved the model configuration process; 2. Add custom model compilation function; 3. Improve the vibration compensation control function; 4. Improve the Z-axis calibration function; 5. Fix some known bugs; 6. Support Mainsail LAN control background; 7. Allow users access to the SSH background. Could you please revisit with this latest firmware and make a video about it? Have a feeling I am going to have to pull the trigger on this based upon your findings.

Unrelated but, we should really start pushing all of the filament manufacturers to move to cardboard spools or master spools. So tired of dealing with empties.

Well of course it needed a PID tune... There are so many variables that can effect a bed or hot end.. such as elevation, humidity, baro, temperature of the house, incoming voltage.. PID tune should be done on every printer I like fluid so that doesn't bother me

I have made a few upgrades to my 3S1, in an attempt to bring it up to the Pro level including the all metal Sprite Pro hot end/extruder, but haven’t, but haven’t done any firmware updates since the initial one. Do I choose the 3S1 Pro for the Sonic Pad?

I have the Ender 5 S1 so I DONT need to use the accelerometer correct ?

Does the g-sensor need to be hooked up all the time??

Can you please make a upgraded fan duct for the s1 with original fan? 🙂

Hi. Incredible video🥰 thank you. How i can install sonic pad with my creality cr 10 smart pro? On usb stick no firmware if i choose other printers. Thanks

Would you please consider the Mercury One conversion for an Ender 5? Allegedly puts it on similar footing to a Voron. And I’m interested, mechanically inclined and all but a bit worried as my Ender 5 is my only printer.

S1 can't use CV laser mode after use Creality Sonic pad

Can you wirelessly send a print to your printer? Like if your build plate was ready to go and you're away from home, can you access the sonic pad and start a print from your phone?

Is this compatible with the S1 Plus?

Hi I want to know if it will work on Ender 5 with 4.2.2 Board?

Will this work on the cr10s pro?

Than kyiou, great video

Waiting for the Ender 5 Pro integration.

@Modbot Hows does the S1 perform in this configuration?

Keep up the great work. I think this is a great option for 3dp klipper noobs.

how does it compare with Flsun Speeder Pad ?

Hy an Question, is it posible to use the Sonic Pad on 2 Printers at the same time? Like switching between the screens?

Hey Will it work on ender 3 v2 with Jyers UI firmware?

"T800" aka CR-T800C is just Allwinner H616 with markings scraped and laser engraved again. Its not crealitys soc at all

I have an Ender S1 (non-pro) and would like to upgrade to this Sonic Pad, but I also want to upgrade my hot end to the S1 Pro version to allow up to 300c printing. Will the Klipper software allow the max temp to be adjusted to 300c on the regular S1 firmware, or will a different firmware upgrade need to be done?

😬 been wanting to try it but still pretty novice to alot seeing this only made me feel as if I may mess it up a little I had trouble before with softwares and my printer running right but on a side note when I was looking into this I've seen one other one that does the same but I'm pretty sure this one said it could do up to 3 printers at a time

I have a ender 3 v2 this will work for my printer?

have you ever try to control your flsun v400 with the creality sonic pad instead of the "flsun speeder pad"?

Excuse my ignorance but what is the purpose of the accelerometer ?

@charlesrestivo870

Жыл бұрын

I'm a bit confused as to how to reply to you as the number dosent work But thank you

So How does it print 😅

Is it possible to get this to work on Ender 6 Thanks

I have a Ender 3Pro on steroids. The mainboard is a SKR Mini E3 V3 and bed now is 300 x 300 height is 380. Any issues with sonic on my setup??

it would be interesting how other printer would work with the sonic pad. Probably the Sidewinder X2

@redavatar

Жыл бұрын

The Sidewinder X2 is a bitch in that regard - Artillery made our lives extra hard by not allowing you to flash via USB stick.

@Brouk10

Жыл бұрын

@@redavatar 😂

I have been using ender 3 pro for the last few months (my first printer) i have done some upgrades so far. My bigger complaint with this printer so far ins the firmware. Is this a viable solution for my problems?

Does this have the original ender 3 which had sd card on bottom and a v1 has it up top. And my original ender 3 has a bltouch so what firmware it has.

@ModBotArmy

Жыл бұрын

Og Ender 3 was 8 bit so it wouldn’t be able to be flashed over sd card. They didn’t have boot loaders so the process would be a bit more involved.