This was super helpful. I recently updated to the official 28.1 version and all of a sudden I had so many options I had not idea what I was looking at.

Right as I was looking for some settings to fix the pixelation on my stream! Thanks EposVox!

Was waiting for this video.would love to see the comparison between hevc via hls VS h264 with this tuning.nice work btw.

I am very excited for the Nvidia users. As an AMD user mainly, I'm glad we got improvements recently as well. I'm still sticking to HEVC HDR streaming on KZread but I've definitely shared this with my Twitch Nvidia users!

@EposVox

Жыл бұрын

These presets were added to the NVENC SDK in 2021, and just hadn’t been added to OBS yet because it’s a massive amount of work for Jim and the other OBS devs to completely revamp the encoder pipeline a second time. Had nothing to do with AMD’s minor updates they quietly released this year to minimal gains lol

@SevendashGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@EposVox Oh gosh, sorry, definitely didn't intend for that to come across serious at all. More along the lines of "we just got ours looking good and now theirs are better again!". The OBS devs are carrying an entire industry on their backs with their work and if I was in any place to support them more I absolutely would. Thank YOU for bringing this to more people's attention as well. You are creating an entire new generation of live streamers by giving them a clear resource to follow.

@EposVox

Жыл бұрын

Haha all good. Some people get real srs about their competition claims and don’t consider the amount of time it takes for these things to get made hehe

@SevendashGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@EposVox I have an A380, 3070 and 6800XT. They all do something 'better' than the others in some way, and they could all be replaced by a single 4090. I celebrate the differences and just enjoy the improvements as they come. The lifeline of being a nerd.

@EposVox

Жыл бұрын

Someone who actually supports competition. Hells yeah

This is exactly the type of video I love. These deep dives help me put to rest that nagging feeling that I've improperly set my OBS despite hours of tutorials and guides. For those of us streaming on KZread with access to HEVC and fewer bitrate constraints, are these findings still largely applicable or should that platform be approached with a different mindset settings wise?

My dear sir you are a genius. Thank you for checking and making this settings video. I was really looking into getting more quality and performance out of my 2070 and this video saved my life as the new OBS version is quite puzzling. Thanks again!

@rsamson1123

Жыл бұрын

what settings did you go with?

I think that it would be interesting to also have a Nvidia encoder optimization guide as you did with AMD a while ago for people that doesn't care too much about streaming and more into recording content, but as always, great content Mr. Stream Professor!! Cheers form Spain!

@casedistorted

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I would love that too, even 5 months later

Thank you for all the hard work you do with covering all these updates and such. really helps me out! I assume a lot of these settings can be used for KZread streaming as well?

Awesome video! Love these settings breakdowns!

I just tested the 28.1 Beta after watching your video and I'm surprised how optimized was the NVENC over the years! I'm using a dual GPU Setup on my rig (Quadro K620 for Encoding, GTX 1060 6GB for Gaming) and tested out P6 and P7 on my Quadro and I'm happy to report that it and works just fine compared to the old presets and doesn't overload my secondary GPU anymore. The upcoming update would be definitely helpful for my needs since I can't afford getting a new GPU for the meantime.

@NoLagBudgetGaming

2 ай бұрын

I use nvenc, qsync, x264 in one pc. I wanna put AMD vce too in it. Xd One pc with all encoder types. Of course Its a dedicated pc.

You are doing an incredible job. Thank you for all the testing

Love the amount of effort you put in your work Addie! Also as someone who just went from a GTX 1070 to a RX 5700 it kinda stings seeing all the NVENC support.

@2klogic

Жыл бұрын

couldve done some research lol, nvidia has a few more + better features than AMD so if you dont stream, AMD is the best budget option for gpu

@chillroze

Жыл бұрын

@@2klogic I was already aware of that, I decided to get a AMD card again because I wanted to check out how content creation was on AMD after owning a RX 570 before the 1070 and It was so horrible that I sold off the RX 5700 for a GTX 1080. I was that desperate.

@JoeWayne84

Жыл бұрын

@@chillroze been there done that… haha sucks doesn’t it Nvidia is just the only option unless all you want to do is game.

@MrJohannson

Жыл бұрын

You have other things to be happy about! Multi-monitor issues are next to none, the fps per dollar is superior, and the anti-lag feature doesn't impose a hard limit to your FPS in vsync+gsync mode the way Nvidia reflex does.

Just came back to say, these settings have bumped my quality up by a hugeeee margin! I went from a blocky mess in overwatch team fights, to damn near clear as day! For anyone else, I used: 1792x1008 scaled output, 7k bitrate, P6 slower (rtx3080), tuning high quality, profile high, 2-pass quarter, max-b frames 2, key interval 2, Psycho on. Amazing find EposVox, thank you once again!

@HasimFN

Жыл бұрын

put bitrate on 6000

@HasimFN

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelpeterson6255 u trippin

@HasimFN

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelpeterson6255 thats not true lol 1080p is much sharper

@HirXeBomb

Жыл бұрын

@@HasimFN For some depending on system specs 936p can work.

@HasimFN

Жыл бұрын

@@HirXeBomb i didnt say it doesnt work i said 1080p is sharper

Massive news. Great research as always!

Dont consider it a waste, I've been pulling my hair out with my new pc trying to figure out the diffrence. This has put me at ease

@ONLY1SUB

6 ай бұрын

Right I built a beast of a computer and I'm like tf? lol gotta have a dual setup

Great work, great info!

thank you for your hard work man keep it up ❤❤

Single most helpful OBS encoder-setup video

Thanks again for another helpful video!

Just a note about nvenc vs x264 ffmpeg has had the new nvidia encoder stuff for a while, and with these settings vmaf puts it above x264 very slow in the results. -preset p7 -tune hq -profile:v main10 -tier high -level auto -temporal_aq 1 -nonref_p 1 -multipass fullres if i compare it to x264 very slow (2 pass) 10bit the nvenc usually scores 2-3% better results from vmaf given the same bit rate. Also I get about 130fps (3090 Ti) encodes on 1080p vs like 9fps on the x264 Their new encoder is really good. I am going to have to see how it does with the obs beta! Thanks for the video really cool!

@EposVox

Жыл бұрын

Most of those are the same I used here, but 10-bit isn’t valid to use as 10-bit is generally unsupported in h264 by most playback scenarios, and not supported for any streaming use.

what settings would you recommend for recording videos opposed to just streaming? specs: r5 5600x, rtx 3060, 16gb ram.

Is P6 QRS still the best if you have a dedicated streaming PC with a 3080? Plenty of headroom for P7 full res multipass.

Nice! Wonder how the quality is affected if there is a webcam + overlay (have 3 minutes left will watch to the end of its there)

Was just asking this question the other day, and wasn't finding any new information, so this is some pretty good timing. Looks like I'm going to be stuck on Beta versions of OBS for a little bit. lol.

Adding P levels/support in OBS is great.

I'm using a 1050 Ti, any recommendations? But definitely will try the settings!

Good stuff. Was difficult to find any real info on the different multipass settings.

I was curious why not to use p7 as default... and then you answered my question. Makes me wonder how significant is NVENC on gaming as it is right now.

what does tuning exactly do? and if i use high quality tuning takes more bitrate?? PD: thanks for the rest of the info, configured again obs and got some less pixelated cam in a pretty speedy game, love these videos

Thank you so much!

Hi Epos. I appreciate all the work you put in. I have a question. Considering that this video released 5 months ago, as of today, can we say still say the P6, Two Passes QRES is still the best option to go for Twitch live streaming? Or have you found any better options or outcomes by your experience considering the recent OBS updates?

@Atlantys

Жыл бұрын

I'm wondering the same. Did you found an answer to your question?

That's gonna make the power bill smaller as well. Good job! I wonder if I can record and stream at the same time like this (dual PC setup, so no gaming on the same GPU, an RTX 2060) 🤔 I'll have to download and check.

im still confuse with Preset, Tuning, and Multipass Mode,,, can you make that video for explain how its work? and what the impact, on CPU and GPU. thanks

Can you do a full follow up on your recent Quick Sync findings??? Been playing with it , love to hear what you find across all their different bitrate control options for OBS. Great video here as always 🤘

@EposVox

Жыл бұрын

Trying to hold out for the updated implementation

@UpgradeLemonade

Жыл бұрын

@@EposVox a new version is coming 👀👀 did not know this, fair enough!

great information to startup on settings but the popping/crackling form the mic seems like the mic is broken

Imma try single pass on my RTX 3090 to see if it improves... Stream is blurry despite having outstanding internet connection... Ty for the video.

Thank for the information

Amazing video, but not sure what is going on with your mic, im using astro a40 and I can hear some weird clipping, buzzing and crackling going on. I thought it was browser initially...

So which is the best multipass option for quality increase? Single Pass? or Full Resolution?

I used streamfx p7 on a rtx 2080 and had no problem running it. I was only streaming wow but noticed no gpu load change on gpuz and didn't overload encoder. Maybe Turing is better for it? Also I use minimal sources and overlays, maybe that's it? I will go through my settings and make sure I have it set right so I am not making a liar out of myself.

I have an issue where my delay gets longer and longer till my stream is like several minutes behind. I dont see any reason for this on my end. I'm not dropping a bunch of frames and my bit rate stays up. Any idea how I could fix this?

No matter what Netflix benchmarking tool says, it is day&night difference here and x264 wins... 09:55 Just pause the video whenever you want and see how bad p7 looks compared to x264. Look for the background, grow foundation text and leaves of the tree.

@NoLagBudgetGaming

3 ай бұрын

09:52 See the leaves on the tree at right, and see the texts on the green table.

Near the end you say p7 uses a bit of cuda. Is p6 the highest without using cuda, or what settings are? To my knowledge 2Pass qres/look ahead/ psycho visual tuning all use cuda regardless of preset.

So, with a 3700X - GTX 1070 and 32 GB RAM, which best option?

So what are we doing when it comes to recording and is there an update video for these new settings in v28?

Wait... confused. So is the collective agreement to have Two passes (quarter) or is the general agreement Single pass? video showed one setting, but the next cut mentioned another.

Hi bro I just upgraded from a 2060 to a 4070ti what settings do u recommend I have a ryzen7 3700x and a 4070ti with a upload speed of 40 mbps and download speed of 150 I can't get my stream gameplay to look good or recorded videos to look good

Great content for video encoding nerds learned so much from this video

Great video! Thank you as always for the information. Noticed some popping in your audio, rewound the video and confirmed its part of the audio track and not part of my setup. May want to take another pass at the audio!

@EposVox

Жыл бұрын

Can’t fix it or I would have

Ayy thanks for this vid, been waiting for this. Is 936p P6 the meta? or should twitch streamers be gunning for 1080p now?

@sidesketch

Жыл бұрын

Don't wanna come as rude, but 936p is a trash resolution to use in any scenario. Just because it's divisible by 8, doesn't make it good. Yes, lower resolution that follows the "rule of 8" it's easier to encode in a specific bitrate, BUT somehow people forget that there's no display out there that supports 936p. Yes, you can stream at that resolution on Twitch, but on YT it will get converted to 720p. Why? Because it's not a standard. You still have to downscale from your actual resolution, to 936p, which generates more encoding stress than just streaming native/ half of your resolution. And that downscaling creates muddier image, lack of native resolution crispness, pixel blocks artifacts on high motion and also asks for more decoding power from your viewers, as they're 99% watching you from a 1080p/ 1440p/ 2560p display (excluding weird smartphones resolutions). So no, 936p "ain't meta", nor 900p, nor any stupid resolution like that. I don't get why people still use it, following these other streamers/ youtubers advice as "the best for shooters", etc... What Epos showed in this video it's all you need. And I hope he will one day adress this issue and advice against using these resolutions ever.

@EposVox

Жыл бұрын

Probably. I’ve been using 1080p for a while and perfectly happy with it - but 936p would still see advantages here

@XDeadzX

Жыл бұрын

@@sidesketch most people watch with chat open, they aren't running full 1080p on their 1080p screens. Negates a bit of the "true resolution" argument. I agree about KZread bitrates though. Always go higher res.

@sidesketch

Жыл бұрын

@@XDeadzX There's a difference between window size and resolution. If you watch a 1080p stream, you're decoding a 1080p source. It's just you're "running" that through a smaller "canvas preview", but the original stream resolution is still being passed through your decoder. When you're running the stream at fullscreen, you're increasing the GPU usage due to the "preview" increasing in size, but initial decoding will be done regardless.

Is there a video that would point me to best performance/quality compromise for streaming FPS games with 1440p monitor and RTX3080 on single PC. How should I configure the rescaling for best performance to stream with 960p or 720p, 60 frames/sec. I know you can do the rescaling in output or stream tab in obs studio (v. 29). Or should I have the "Base (canvas) Resolution" already at stream resolution.

I've been testing your settings with a 4080 while recording UEBS2. Contrary to your settings, i found that having multipass mode at two passes, quarter resolution, allowed for much smoother recording at 1440p@60 when playing with 10's of thousands or millions of units in UEBS. With two passes it was very smooth with little stuttering, with single pass it would stutter at intense moments in the scene.

@EposVox

Жыл бұрын

That is very bizarre given two pass is literally more work for the encoder/gpu to do

At 10:22 i still think that x264 medium looks better than your config, even if the video quality analysis tool begs to differ. Which is not to say that it's not worth it, any bit of visual improvements over default is always nice. But if this video shows me anything, it's that 6mbps simply isn't enough for a very clean 1080p60 and likely never will with h.264. I would bet that just stepping down to 900p would make a world of difference for image quality. I really can't wait for AV1 to take over and solve the quality problem once and for all!

@MrVaultBoy87

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, background and grow foundation text looks so much better whenever you pause the video. Benchmark score is irrevelant when you can see the difference with your eyes which says the otherwise.

@toastbrot97

Жыл бұрын

@@MrVaultBoy87fully agreed. Though i don't think the benchmarks are wrong per se, since the scores are all kind of in the same ball park, and visually the clips are all very comparable with only minor differences once you start pixel peeping.

@yzuniga13sa

Жыл бұрын

The benchmark tools he uses measure psnr which one can consider a quality test, but it doesn't measure the visual perception. People rather see sharp detail instead of smooth blurred images with little noise. Nvenc blurs out background way too much and in fast pace games the image becomes out of focus and a complete disaster. X264 does a much better job at encoding detail and fast movement.

@EpoxVox hello , i was streaming a high n fast motion game with a 1060 6gb on 1080p 60fps 8k bitrate, now should i use quality, p6 and two pass? Or p7 ? Thanks

Something knocks out my 980 when I'm using the OBS h264. Doesn't overheat or nothing, but seems it can't record it as I'm getting some weird error. Anyone else has that issue?

Hey stream professor, wanna say thanks for this video and the settings. A question regarding quality, does this result in NVENC taking the win against Intel 12th and 13th gen QSV? In your prior video on AV1, you included VMAF charts showing that Intel 12th gen QSV beats NVENC for H.264. Just wondering if this holds true or whether NVENC has the crown now.

@NoLagBudgetGaming

2 ай бұрын

Quicksync 1.0 beats nvenc 1.0 and x264 most presets too. Xd

If I have a 3070 and a 5900x am I better off using Nvenc or h264?

What’s the two passes quarter vs the full one difference?

what about recording. Peopl keep saying either CQP or VBR but which one is better? are CQP files THAT big or only if you use levels of 15 or lower? Vbr best bitrate setting are?

For recording, how much of a performance impact is there for the presets? Does bitrate give more of a performance hit or the preset? I am getting frame drops while playing Beat Saber while recording which is a big no-no. Currently using: NVENC H.265 P5 (Slow) default Two Pass Off CQP 20 Lookahead Off Max B Frames 2

@AVX512

Жыл бұрын

I don't have beat Saber and I'm on a 3060 but using your settings except on P6/P7, when I run Doom Eternal (my main stream game), P6 runs perfectly but P7 causes the game to stutter or freeze every so often, with and without PVT. If I reduce bitrate the performance suffers more. I hope this helps a bit

What do you recommend for recording gameplay? Should i use HEVC? And what bitrate or QP?

@kostasvapo69

Жыл бұрын

30cqp is a very good start. Imagine that for some lol footage it uses 2500bitrate, for dota2 5000bitrate and for cyberpunk abou 7000bitrate. It seems like the way to go for extreme good quality . Hevc nvenc p6

You can encode x264 slower in real time, that's what I currently stream at. Only thing I change in -x264 options is "ref=1 mbtree=0 rc-lookahead=0" and about 30-50% cpu usage goes away; while still visually sharper than 'faster' or 'slow'. I also try to run my bitrate congruent with my res,fps, audio (bit to pixel rule) on select platforms. On twitch, I still keep bitrate pushed around 7300-7600 bitrate throughout my 1080p 60 downscaled to 864p(divisible by 8) 60fps streams; even being a non-affiliate. I've been doing x264 tests the last two years, and have beandog reference pages you've mentioned in other videos that i've used to decide and test these precise scenarios (fast motion looking good). I'm unfortunately on an all-AMD system, but these cpu's do have some power in them! Hope all is well man! The effort you put into these videos is astonishing. Love it!

@NexY92

Жыл бұрын

Is that some new secret sauce?

@NexY92

8 ай бұрын

@@DittyBitty69 you have any better settings?

I need to have look-ahead off for my uses, is it confirmed that p5 and above force on look-ahead? If so I'll have to use P4. Thanks!

im running a 2060 super and ryzen 3900x .i only use my pc to stream not game (console - capture card ) still get random skipped frames now and then been tryin to work it out for ages any help @epoz would be great ? danny (stream 936p 7k ) have a really good upload aswell

You had some mic popping in this video. Other than that great as always. Thank you for your hard work

Excellent work. Question: Do you need to restart OBS when editing the encoder settings, I.E when swapping from P6 to P7. Or when turning multipass mode on and off. I only ask because In know you had to restart OBS when swapping between presets for x264 like medium and very fast, learned that the hardway thinking my rig was running medium but something needed to be reloaded in OBS at that time.

@EposVox

Жыл бұрын

You do not have to restart OBS for nvenc presets - but you don’t have to do it for X264 cpu usage presets either. I’ve never had to do that and verified it working plenty of times. You DO have to stop recording/streaming before changing or it won’t actually change, but don’t have to fully restart obs

@ToejahM

Жыл бұрын

@@EposVox I appreciate the reply thank you. I swear I've switched profile between the cpu presets and had no encoding lag until I've restarted OBS and it's like it's not fully engaged the preset until that point, however it's been so long since I was messing around that it's entirely possible I wasn't restarting the stream while switching and trying things on the fly. I even made a post on a forum a long time ago claiming my ryzen 1700 could do medium 1080, I was wrong lol

Hi brother I have a internet speed of 40 megabytes per second up load and 150 download megabytes per second speed and I have a RTX 2060 with a ryzen 7 3700x and I stream on KZread with this new update my videos look like s*** what bit rate do you recommend with the settings and the hardware that I got in my PC rig

@EposVox Do you take more detailed q&a on Nebula?

Good video, thx

How much more resourse intensive is 2 pass quarter res, compared to single pass ?

Is the Accsoon SeeMo any good with capturing and Livestreaming on 1080/60p?

As of December 2023, is P6 Multipass-QRES and P7 Multipass-QRES still effectively the same? or did any recent OBS updates since this video change that? Thanks in advance, keep up the great content EposVox!

@JackFlicks

6 ай бұрын

Did you find out?

@OGJason99

Ай бұрын

I would like to know to if anything has chnaged?

Have you ever tried the main concept h264 Encoder? It's non-free and they claim its higher quality

On OBS 28.0.3 there's a dedicated field for Max B-Frames that is setted 0 by default. What value should I set on it? I'm using a RX 6600 with the following commands based on your videos: MaxNumRefFrames=4 BReferenceEnable=1 BPicturesPattern=1 MaxConsecutiveBPictures=1 HighMotionQualityBoostEnable=1

@Zidakuh

Жыл бұрын

You want to up the MaxConsecutiveBPictures to 2. Maybe 3.

I haven’t updated my OBS since your last video on the update suggested to wait lol. I’m still on 27 and now 28 has a beta for new presets? 😅

can you please make an update video for new 40 series users with info on how to set up the av1 streams from scratch now that 29.1 is released ?

@hyper_channel

Жыл бұрын

Twitch doesn't support it and you also need user devices to be able to decompress it. It's gonna be a while...

huh most of these settings where default for me when i switched from x264 to h.264, only thing i had to change was bitrate

Thanks for one more in depth review with loads of graphs about our good old 264. But I gotta add that when I watch it in a 4k oled tv x264 medium is clearly better. Maybe the other metrics will correlate better to perceived quality.

@yzuniga13sa

Жыл бұрын

Graph data don't take into account perceived quality, x264 is winning still.

@MrVaultBoy87

Жыл бұрын

@@yzuniga13sa Yes, you can see how background objects look much better at 09:55.

@yzuniga13sa

Жыл бұрын

@@MrVaultBoy87 eposvox is infatuated with nvenc yet he never streams any fast pace games using his own settings on his twitch channel. This P7 or whatever is called can't compete with x264, but because some test says so he ignores perceived quality even if multiple people on the comments tell him that P7 is terrible for the content they stream which is fast pace fps games like warzone. Nvenc is a disaster for encoding fast pace games with lots of complex shapes.

Depending these new built in nvenc encoders. Is streamfx nvenc encoder still worth it or even superior? Or will the built in nvenc encoders be superior in terms of picture quality? Thanks

@EposVox

Жыл бұрын

StreamFX ain’t worth even looking at

How on earth is quarter resolution 2 pass producing better video quality than full resolution?

Are there any changes for NVIDIA 700 series NVENC such as GTX 760?

So this new update for nvenc is now better than Intel quick sync again?

Epox.. I'm still using the 3900x secret sauce, I've got a 3080.. does this make it redundant?

Ah, of course there is NVIDIA encode video. Wouldn't even be surprised if I found it somewhere in the past and left a comment. But as I'm back down the rabbit whole of visual optimization to get rid of pixelization on 720p48/60 (damn it) here I am, studying again. Oh yeah that's a stupid question, but, would running the presented settings here on 720p do much difference? In theory since it's lower res it should bring same or better results? Or 720p is like it's own beast?

I'm able to stream 2K on one of my twitch accounts (my testing account) but when i log into my main account with the same settings, twitch outputs 720p 60 and worse looking quality. do you know why that is?

Hey at 02:37 how did you get the exact same footage for 2 different encoders ??

Does having a Higher preset (P1-P7) reduce fps in game?

can't wait for those butteraugli and ssimmulacra2 charts

Would the same apply to KZread streaming?

Can you make a video like this but for KZread streaming?

Hey man I think there could be something wrong with your mic or mic cables. Your sound has some kind of annoying clipping sound. I’m guessing it could also be the noise gate settings??

Curious how this compares to CQP settings for file size and efficiency.

@kostasvapo69

Жыл бұрын

I did some tests with h265 nvenc at cqp of 30. It is very good quality on almost every game i recorded.

will you also make a video on recordings?

Any updates to these settings??

is there any way to utilise this for recording?

whats best to use on 1060 60gb?

please do a test in witcher 3 1440p game res with MAXED OUT vegetations near all the grass and stuff with NVENC x264 slow and AV1. thanks!

Hi, I start streaming recently, so many questions here) for a rtx 2070s + i7-9700k what better to use? Nvenc or x264? I play Dead Space remake + apex

@DittyBitty69

11 ай бұрын

Nvenc.

So I am using a rtx 2070 and as I have limited time on my hands to do testing at home was wondering what settings people found best? P6 or P7? Also what Multipass Mode and if we should now consider using Psycho Visual Tuning or not? Thanks in advance.

@kostasvapo69

Жыл бұрын

P6 is equal to P7, none can find differences not even netflix's app.

Can the Ryzen 7000 processors run SVT AV1?