Oh my, I love my American Standard Champion 4 toilet!! Changing the gasket every 2 or 3 years takes no more than 5-7 minutes. It's quiet and has a *strong* flush.

The first one is a Toto Drake Knockoff and why it flushes right. Toto developed the first 3" flush valve designs and the Tornado swirl action seen in #1. Kohlers have been the worst flushing toilets for decades with their focus being all about fancy shitters instead. The Gerber Avalanche uses Toto's original 3" flush design and still remains the best gravity fed flusher for the cheapest cost. I just bought another one for less than $200. Best thing about an Avalanche besides its flushing abilities is the parts inside. It uses Fluidmaster shelf parts so fixing it immediately is always possible. Kohler loves to use parts they patent and hold them for ransom.

@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, Kohler is just overrated garbage.

@zerobs3272

Жыл бұрын

Hey Harry! I remember meeting you and your brother Schweddy. Help a girl out here, please. I'm in the USA and experiencing analysis paralysis while trying to pick 3 new elongated, chair height toilets our house with a septic tank. Which SPECIFIC brand and model toilet will give us sweet and peaceful experiences in our our new 40 year old house?

@Shelter93

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's correct it's a rip off of Toto Drake. But if I'm a dad with some kids I just might get the color. As it is I'm a dad with one kid so I'm getting the Toto Drake. This guy bought a good toilet no shame in his toilet game.

The early 2000's Kohler Wellworth Ingenium toilets were by far the best flushing toilets. They redesigned them in 2008 with the 1.26 gpf and not for the better

In my previous house, my remodeling contractor installed an American Standard Champion Pro in my main floor bathroom. It worked flawlessly for several years and I loved it so much that I had a second one installed in the master bath. Now in my newly constructed home I am having three of the same models installed.

I have 4 American Standard Titans and have never had a blistered gasket. I change out the Gaskets about every 3-4 years as maintenance and never had an issue. I do think they should do a better job with pushing back the porcelain coating in the the way bottom hole as I have to clean the area going into hole because of lack of coating. One more inch would do it.

Gotta love those slow close toilet seats.

Watch this video and then read all the comments. You will be exactly where you started: Every toilet old and new sucks.

I have a kohler elmbrook and i love it I havent had any clogs and I’ve owned it for 3 years. I prefer kohler toilets to any toilet!

That tiny water surface on the kohler is a deal breaker

Since the American Standard gasket issue arose new replacement gaskets no longer fail like the older style. FIY all toilets will require maintenace at some point, this is still a great product. Not to mention its whisper quiet.

@rodbutler4054

Жыл бұрын

A quiet and efficient flush at a good price, my American standard is tops.

@cerir4033

Жыл бұрын

thank you, trying to decide now if I want to try the total tank rebuild myself... paid rebuild or new toilet... and if so, what brand... yikes... seeing people complaining about waiting for kohler faucet parts helped me decide on AS for my wonderful high new kitchen faucet, finish wasn't great but, love the function! thank you...

I replaced my 2 horrible Gerber toilets yesterday with 2 Delta toilets...nice upgrade.

Love my TOTO gravity fed flush.

Love my 1970's Kohler Toilets, Lots of water and adios. If I have to get a new one I don't know what I'm gona do

I never install the Kohler the metal bracket against the porcelain WILL rust and there is also a gasket on the flush valve of a Kohler which will also need replacing periodically. I like the AS Cadet 3 have installed hundreds over the years with no issues.

I have two toilets in my house one is a Kohler with the new flush mechanism the other has the old flush mechanism. The Kohler is junk. The new and improved mechanism is garbage don't be fooled. I was always told that Kohler was the best, and maybe it was but it is not the best anymore. The good one is a Glacier Bay.

I have 3 American Standard Cadet Style / Right Height / ADA toilets. All installed in 2012 (13 years ago). Each has the FlushMate III 503 model M-101526-F3 pressure assist flushing mechanism. No problems at all. Changed one tank gasket earlier this year. Should probably go ahead and change the other two.

@portostrengthunion

5 ай бұрын

You wrote your comment in 2023. 13 years after 2012 would be in the future year of 2025.

Thank you for sharing this video. The first options seems the best because of the low water line. Can you please, please recommend a toilet that has a super low waterline that prevents splashing? I don't understand why any brands make toilets with high water line which splashes. When I was in one of the European countries they barely use any water so there was NO splashing. I am not sure why the US doesn't take a cue from them.

@imbatido

Жыл бұрын

US uses siphon flushing, rest of the world uses gravity. low water leaves streaks.. Asians have water jet sprayers to clean the streak.. americans dont

@jonking7345

Жыл бұрын

The higher waterline is to keep your crap from sticking to the bowl...

I have 2 Kohler elongated, high rise toilets, 5 years old. Quite happy.

@checkitout2468

Жыл бұрын

Nice! Thank you for sharing.

@user-sn1qx1tm4l

5 ай бұрын

@@checkitout2468 mmm i like kohler toielts but some of them are scary

Nice video. The first one has a gooseneck that looks small, smaller than the 2nd one.

@mvann5

Жыл бұрын

What is the gooseneck?

I have a Kohler cimarron and I’ve had nothin but problems. Went with American standard for my second bathroom. I’ll never buy kohler again. Customer service is absolute shit.

Your links to amazon go to different toilets than described.

We are replacing our American Standard Cadet toilet for the second time in 20 years. Ridiculous. Both units made in Mexico and the elongated bowl develops an internal crack, so the bowl does not hold a proper water level. Tank water level remains full. Would not recommend American Standard. Toilets used to only be replaced when the owner wanted something more modern.

@dalemihocik4732

Жыл бұрын

Try the round bowl instead.

@cerir4033

Жыл бұрын

that is my concern, so far every plumber says "or you could just get a new toilet for almost the same cost" "new" is not necessarily better... I'm a 71 year old thinking of rebuilding the tank guts myself (yikes, I've done the easy stuff, float, flapper) paying a plumber to do it (nearly $300) or, new toilet but, I don't want a tall toilet (I'm short and low, is better for intestine function... do we assume all adults are too weak to get up or have knee issues? darn I'm sick of hype). Tired of advertising banter vs facts. And, the AS seal issue is a good example, we buy something with a flaw... and then pay someone to fix it? sheesh... I'm back to thinking of trying to rebuild the old one myself. Who knew it would be this much research.

@wamdn

6 ай бұрын

I have 3 American Standard Cadet Style / Right Height / ADA toilets. All installed in 2012 (13 years ago). Each has the FlushMate III 503 model M-101526-F3 pressure assist flushing mechanism. No problems at all. Changed one tank gasket earlier this year. Should probably go ahead and change the other two.

I Only Use Toto Drake elongated standard height with soft close lid!

@tomfields3682

11 ай бұрын

When I really gotta go, I'm not so picky. It's any port in a storm for me!😁

Your link to the Cimarron is wrong.

Try out glacier bays power flush toilet. It has the stealth flush and works great for $250

@HonestAbe689

Жыл бұрын

I have it and its great but doesnt cleat the bowl well when flushing. Leaves streaks which is a pain.

@techdude7289

Жыл бұрын

Never get a glacier bay. Quality control on them is terrible.

@fortunatedad7695

Жыл бұрын

I just put one in at a relatives place and it is performing good. Me personally i would take a chance on it as a homeowner as a plumber i wouldn't take a chance on any lower end product so i don't get called back, unless of course that's what the customer wants. For $250 in my opinion is worth a look opposed to $600+ for a pressure powered toilet.

Im looking to buy the second one you reviewed here in Canada home depot its KOHLER Elmbrook The Complete Solution 2-Piece 4.8 LPF Single Flush Elongated Toilet in White

@checkitout2468

6 ай бұрын

My opinions have changed. I’m convinced the Toto Drake I is by far the best toilet…

@mhtube01

5 ай бұрын

I would look at the Toto Drake 2 instead. The original Drakes were great but the Drake 2 is arguably equally impressive. Toto's tornado flush is a better design than Kohler's and the performance is superior IMO. I installed one at my house a few months ago to replace a Glacier Bay that cracked and it's a high quality toilet with a powerful flush. I normally gravitate towards older toilets but I must say I'm very impressed with the Drake. Not hating on Kohler, my mom has two Cimarron 360s like the first one in this video at her house and they work pretty well but I will say the Toto is superior.

You didn’t talk about the Toto

The American Standard Cadet 3 does suffer from that BUT I replaced the gasket with an aftermarket and have never seen the issue yet (5 years in). So not worth it..... slow down there cowboy.

@checkitout2468

Жыл бұрын

Thank you & thanks for the kind comment!👍😎

I've got an older Kohler toilet and can't seem to get the right parts for the canister flushing assembly. I went to a Kohler dealer - he sold me parts that didn't work. I went to the Kohler factory - they sent me parts and they don't look the same as what is in the toilet now, even though I gave them the toilet tank serial number. If I buy another toilet, it won't be a Kohler because of the canister flush mechanism.

@zerobs3272

Жыл бұрын

Very helpful post! Can you believe humans can get to outer space but can't mass produce a reliable toilet flush mechanism? I'm a techie and want the latest design, but this lag you described is very real and very much a deterrent to adopt anything new.

@dh-in8qr

Жыл бұрын

@@zerobs3272 We had a great one in our Bombers, cost taxpayers a bit but always completed it's mission.

@cerir4033

Жыл бұрын

yup, read of people complaining when I was shopping faucets... over a month for a part that failed in the first year... the reason I keep thinking of just rebuilding my old toilet. why pay more for a poor quality control item?

Do you have any reviews on the one piece tolits?

God D#$MN IT!!!!!! I was just going to buy the American Standard and then found this. F@##K! I've been looking at freaking TOILETS for 3 DAYS. It's a damn nightmare!

@checkitout2468

Жыл бұрын

My next will be a Toto Drake👍😎

@minnybiker4505

Жыл бұрын

Get a Toto Drake with tornado flush (not the 2}. You can get them for about $300 plus a seat from a wholesaler (don't buy from Lowe's). Little more than the average, but they seem to be bullet proof. I'm ordering 2 of them to replace my American standards.

@dh-in8qr

Жыл бұрын

@@minnybiker4505 Why not Lowes?

@cerir4033

Жыл бұрын

weeks here, going back and forth between trying to rebuild the inside of my older toilet myself or pay a plumber, or... new toilet... why pay so much for a new toilet with new problems? it may be worth the struggle for the $30 rebuild kit. Plumbers keep saying "nearly the same cost to install a new one" how does that work when a new toilet is about $300? The $150 ones have crappy reviews...

@jeffzest8393

Жыл бұрын

@@cerir4033 Because install of a new toilet is $500-$600.

I'm watching this as I'm sitting on the toilet

@checkitout2468

Жыл бұрын

😂 🚽

Kohler low flow toilets in the '90's suck.

These are not the best water closets as being an installer for 39 years the best plumbing fixtures are long gone crane Radcliffe Gerber Mount Vernon American standard cadet from the 1970s and 80s were the best what's available today is not bad though the best today imo is the Kohler Highline 1.28 EL

Always fixing my kohler plumbing products cause they are made in china.

Nothing about Toto that’s in the description or did I miss

Where is the Toto?

@donalddavis3308

6 ай бұрын

Click bate

Totally disagree re his assessment of Kohler toilets.

My American standard toilet clogs all the time it’s not the Cadet version

American Standard can eat what they are flushing. Never buying one of those again. You should never have to replace parts on something that frequently. Just buy a better brand.

My American Standard Champion toilet is horrible. Toilet gasket on their globe flush mechanism was full of bubbles! American Standard says not to use after mkt part. Can you say planned obsolescence and guaranteed future part sales! Hate this kind of company. 😡

0:53 that is called siphon jet

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@IkkyuD

2 ай бұрын

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No all of them are the worst exept the decent swirl one but OMG this proflo toilet IS THE WORST that is 1 feet and wow these are the worst

Always fixing my kohler plumbing products cause they are made in china.

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