Delta Pro Ultra and Apollo 5K Kits: PoweredPortableSolar.com/Shop/ The EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra and the Hysolis Apollo 5K are the top two units on the market right now. Which one is the absolute best one for a long term power outage?

@terrijuanette486

3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@robertwooten9424

2 ай бұрын

Hi my name is Robert wooten an my family lost our house do to a fire an we lost everything an now we have to leave we're we are staying an I need help getting power off grid to a 35 foot camper on a property my dad left us but don't have a lot of money could really use your help please

@minutemanprep

2 ай бұрын

@@robertwooten9424 I'm sorry to hear about your tragedy. Feel free to email me at info@poweredportablesolar.com

@DG-cn9qt

23 күн бұрын

Was a OUPES Mega 3 Home Backup & Portable Power Station | 3600W 3072Wh one of the solar generators you tested? I know you did a lot of work, but this generator seems to be a power horse. Just wondered how it compares to these two systems

@user-el6lc7hy5z

4 күн бұрын

Can you also include the EG4 and the point zero titan 240 next time?

Delta Pro is the winner for me. Now I need to win the lottery.

If you can't afford something like this Even having a solar panel and battery, will make a world of a difference than not having anything when electricity is out.great video

You do an excellent thorough job on your videos !! You make it so easy to understand , my hats off to you sir !!! Happy father’s day to ya !!!

Over the years I have purchased multiple EcoFlow products knowing that if there are issues that their customer service really sucks. I like their products and eventually EcoFlow does make things right. However, based on their customer service history, I would never consider purchasing another Ecoflow product, so my vote goes to the Apollo.

@pstoneking3418

25 күн бұрын

I've been fortunate with my Ecoflow Delta pro and haven't required customer support, but I have heard they are terrible.

Thank you for sharing the knowledge!!

Thank you for doing what you do! Great presentation it helped me a lot.

Excellent presentation Ben. This gives me a lot to think about. At some point I will be running my 1200 sq ft off grid home with one of these or something similar. Thank you.

Great video, clear, well thought out important information and comparison.

Really appreciate the time you put into this video. The only thing I would need 240 for is running my water well. I would choose the EcoFlow. Thanks again.

Awesome video, Thanks for sharing.

What up Doe MMP!? WoW!! Amazing vid, very informative!! Right now I'm team Ecoflow Ultra because of home backup with added smart panel

Apollo looks like a Mining Rig I Love this Breakdown video and your website. Thanks

Ben, great job walking through all of this and I agree the correct answer to which is preferable is always, it depends..

@minutemanprep

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching =)

Grand Rising ✊🏾 I think this will be a good review.

Thanks!

Mannnnnn! Great video.We just started installing solar this year and getting into solar powered generators. I'm always looking for the best and most economical choices for my customers and I appreciate videos like this. I heard you briefly touch on generator integration with the Apollo but not the Ultra - or I missed it. I was all Ecoflow till this video, and still am for home standby or back up power, but a lot to think about. Thanks for sharing

Excellent video!

@minutemanprep

4 ай бұрын

Thanks! I appreciate it. This one was A LOT of work haha.

@CityPrepping

3 ай бұрын

@@minutemanprep I can tell. This video will do well

Thanks for the video. Great job I like the ultra.

Excellent work!!! 💯💯💪💪

From the first time and the beginning of the Apollo I’m still on board with there work. But. Thumbs up 👍 for both companies and your research on both. 😊

@minutemanprep

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing, always good to hear from you.

Excellently done.

Great video. Thank you.

Thank you for info

Absolutely an outstanding comparison video, thank you! Options are great. My personal need for one of these would be to provide up to 15 kw of battery, allow for a minimum of 4,000 watts of PV input (preferably combined low and high voltage), 240 split phase to run well pump and portable enough to move as needed. Both of these, as you pointed out, can do many of my wants. My decision, as close as it is, would be the EcoFlow. Currently I have to use multiple solar generators to accomplish the above and they take up a lot of space but I don't have close to the money either of these would cost me so until I can consolidate all I can do is watch videos like yours and keep dreaming.

Great job on the video. I must say the footprint (compactness) of the DPU and that it’s totally portable (comes with wheels) and can be hauled to remote locations with the hand cart/dolly, was, in my opinion, totally overlooked. That is so huuuge to be able to wheel your charging station to wherever you have a need. That said, your analysis and great video quality and editing are outstanding!

Thank you for putting this together! As a follow up, I would love to see how you protect these against an EMP with such large systems.

@criticalhadlock886

4 ай бұрын

I second this request! My greatest concern is what good does it do to have all this stuff if the EMP or CME wipes it all out. Only way I know for sure is to faraday cage it all, but then it’s sitting there doing nothing. I want to know how to fully protect the systems and utilize them at the same time so they can help pay for themselves.

@minutemanprep

4 ай бұрын

Great idea. I'll write that down and get a video about it.

@minutemanprep

4 ай бұрын

@@criticalhadlock886 Good to know, thanks for seconding.

@OptimalTraining

4 ай бұрын

@@minutemanprep@minutemanprep , Also, please include how to protect your solar panels against an EMP .

@johndelabretonne2373

4 ай бұрын

I wholeheartedly third this request. This had been my biggest concern as well. If there is a way to harden these for EMP, I would love to know! Looking forward to that video!

Excellent review, thank you

@minutemanprep

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Very infirmative! thanks! Please include review on monitoring options, lan, wifi, bluetooth, alerting etc.. :)

Thanks for the comparison! I'd have to vote for the Apollo because one unit does what i want it to do now for less $ than one DP Ultra and I still have the choice of growing the system if circumstances create that need. It also seems that the DP Ultra has some early adopter issues at the moment, but then so did Apollo last year, Hysolis handled the Apollo situation very well as they loaned me one of their MPS3k units while they fixed the issues with the Apollo! Both look like great products!

Ben being offgrid the last thing I want to do is babysit my system and check to see if the solar power input has kicked on properly. I am not a big fan of having to make sure some firmware update has done its thing like it seems that you have illustrated with the DeltaPro Ultra. So in this situation my pick would be the Hysolis Apollo 5K. Thanks.

Fantastic video

Very good review.

I don't think either one would be a bad choice. Both are rock stars! I think your last category is the most important what fits the individual user. I really like that the delta makes that 240 so easy man that is an awesome innovation.

This was an amazing breakdown comparison! I was an Eco flow fan hands down until the Apollo was reviewed by another famous solar reviewer/teacher. But, when the Ultra was announced, I was on the fence. Your review has sealed the deal, simply for the off grid - non babysitting factor - right out of the box capability. If there was a need to leave the area (like an invasion or wildfire situation), the Apollo is what I would be buying (if I ever had the money 😢). Thank you for this break down) -Sub'd

Both very capable systems, do like the Hysolis but with pricing special $1,000 off went with the DPU, one unit with 240 volt, good solar input was only looking for critical load back up. Would not have been disappointed with Hysolis and it does have some great features.

Love this video. How difficult and expensive is it to protect these kits from an EMP? And can the EcoPro run without WiFi?

Thank you for your extensive testing and data. However, with the years of issues I have had with EF, they could have received all the points, and I still would go with the Apollo.

@minutemanprep

4 ай бұрын

Fair enough. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.

I appreciate your detailed review and all your work on this video. My only question is, can you compare the solar panels from both brands?

Excellent video! :) :)

@minutemanprep

3 ай бұрын

Thanks Jason!

Great video

@minutemanprep

4 ай бұрын

Thanks.

Excellent video. It would be great if you could do a video about ground-neutral bonds. This comes up often in the Facebook groups where people make mistakes and create hazardous conditions.

@minutemanprep

4 ай бұрын

Good idea, I'll make a note of that.

For taking a home off grid setup, The ultra makes for a much cleaner install in a smaller footprint especially with the Smart Panel 2.

@dominica2765

15 күн бұрын

Looks a lot nicer too that’s the one I’m going for and I don’t need 400,000 watch the solar🤣

Great video! It would be the ecoflow for us since we are grid tied. I am also interested in how you would protect the system from an emp spike

I'm old school and like my systems just to be on all the time with no software or wifi needed. Large low frequency inverters. Charging happens with a contactor. When batteries are full the panels turn off. Simple robust components. Is been running that system almost eight years. Zero downtime.

@shadowcodr

2 ай бұрын

What brands do you recommend?

@terrya6486

2 ай бұрын

Doesn't matter any used panel is fine just not broken glass.

Nice comparison! I like everything about the Apollo. I just wish I could afford one.

I went with EcoFlow due to the good service this past year. I am impressed with the attention to detail and quality of workmanship. Their forward thinking of creating other categories such as their Wave, Blade, etc assure me of strong viability of the company future.

Great Eco flow delta pro ultra solar system 👍😎

Great video. I came to similar conclusions. The market is changing more and more. The new Anker actually might be what I get due to how portable it is in comparison plus its way cheaper. For my basic portable needs I can save 3k which allows me to upgrade elsewhere. If I wanted off grid with rare portable needs then Apollo would be the choice. I think for my off grid set up I am going with a Schneider XW Pro inverter and get the Anker to be able to wheel it around to other parts of the property. Its a shame the Apollo couldnt be more portable because I really like it's specs. Ankers PV input is its biggest limitation but to run some saws and battery charging it would be ok.

I considered both of them but ended up going with the Ultra and 5 batteries at the launch price. Mainly because of the solar input and 240 out from one unit. I have 1.6kw to low and 2k to high voltage input. I use it to charge my car and works great (you need to bond the ground and neutral). Also at 7.2 output that’s a real plus. I only charge the car at 4k so I’m not running max on the unit for 5-6 hours at a time. As for plugged into to a wall outlet at the same time mine does not work if I’m using the 240 out. Seems as though anything over 2k out from the 240, the wall tries to pull over 2k and shuts down with an error code. Bummer. Powers my house with transfer switch and car. A real beast. When I first got it and the weather was bad I had a few different error codes, 182, 252, and 479. With the firmware update I only get 479 now and shuts down the high voltage PV, luckily I’m off during the day and can reset it often. Hasn’t been a set and forget system. You might consider waiting till the bugs are settled out

Wow excellent comparison! Can you share the spreadsheet with the data of all the backup modules?! That would be cool to see! Thank you.

First of all, I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into your videos. I do find them rushed and I have to go back and review what you said. The other issue I had was comparing one unit with two of the other did not make any sense. It should of been one unit compared to the other unit; one to one, not taking one unit and match it with two units of the other. Not a fair comparision and of course the solar and inverter will be increased. I do agree for off grid I would buy the apollo.

@minutemanprep

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for lettting me know. It was defintely a lot of info to cover and I needed to make sure everyone understood why I ranked each system how I did. I understand it was confusing when I said two units vs one. You need two Apollos for 240v power, which is why the vast majority of people get two Apollos. Since the Delta Pro Ultra already has 240v, the vast majority of people only get one. I was making sure to compare it based on what the vast majority of people are getting. Shortly after that I did mention the difference between 1 vs 1.

I like the name brand recognition of the Eco-Flow but I would probably go with the Apollo. I say this because I can break it apart for home and remote use as needed. Amazing. Finally! Thought I saw 8 expansion batteries on the Hysolis. ... Did they have but downgrade? X FACTOR CONSIDERATIONS: Some people like the 90° cables of the DPU. And if you only had the one system, you could at least take the Apollo apart and reconfigure for a home and remote location and at least have 120V.

I really like both of these units. Thanks to this channel, I've been able to follow both of them for the last year. Thank you Ben! This video was very well done. They definitely have their pros and cons to fret over. Thank goodness that both of these units are very quiet. For me, it comes down to the initial costs. A few times, Ben mentions needing two Apollos to match the Delta Pro Ultra (to start with). If my goal is to have 12,000 watts running inverter output, 240 volt split phase, and 50 amp service, what will it cost me? In this case I need to buy two Delta Pro Ultras (non-sale price $11,600) or four Apollos (non sale price $21,980) Granted that only gives you about 12 kw of battery capacity for the DPU, versus 21.5 kw of battery capacity for the Apollo. And really, for long term power outages, battery capacity is king. But that roughly $22,000 for 50 amp service was more than I wanted to pay. $11,600 for delta pro ultras is bad enough. In addition, I couldn't afford (or have the space for) the amount of panels to recharge 21.5 kw of battery quickly. I kind of feel like its a repeat of the tortoise and the hare. The Delta Pro Ultra is the tortoise that gets an awesome head start; but in time, the Apollo (with its overall solar/battery capacity) will catch up and surpass the DPU. I'm with Ben's conclusion....for home/suburban use, the DPU is the way to go for small-medium setups. Even though I side with the DPU, I still have wandering eyes for the Apollo 😛

@minutemanprep

4 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for sharing and for watching.

would you say the Anker Solix F3800 would be comparable to these units , I'm currently looking for something for a cabin totally off grid, really appreciate the info and time you took to make this video

Great job 👍. I personally don’t want one system. I much prefer zone usage of different sizes. It gives me redundancy and allows me to continue to take advantage of prior purchases. I love the tech but I like basic systems. I’ve had my share of issues with software on two of mid-cap platforms. I’ve since purchased simpler systems. But hey, to each his/her own. If I was buying I’d buy the Apollo. I love EF but don’t trust them for long term.

Excellent presentation. Any ideas on what would work on a boat? If i get one, i would like to be able to take it with me.

Brother your video really help retired in phillipines the grid sucks thats only reason I'm even looking 329 kw a month bill roughly $60 don't laugh we don't run ac 24 / 7 but I want and need to. Delta pro is where I'm leaning towards just on shipping..Semper Fi

@minutemanprep

Ай бұрын

I'm glad the video helped. Best of luck, I hope you can get one to you in the Phillipines.

Very interesting, the issue you mentioned at 23:45 is also with Delta Pro (the version before Ultra), so it seems like EcoFlow is struggling to fix this issue

great video, but what i didn't hear you talk about is where can these units be placed. Do they have to be in a climate controlled area or can they be in a shed?

I would really like to see a comparison of the efficiency with a small load, seeing how much it takes just to keep each inverter turned on.

@junkerzn7312

3 ай бұрын

Vampire current and inverter efficiency for small loads pretty much comes down to inverter size. NONE of the big inverters will do well. Not a single one of them. Smaller is better, bigger is worse. Universal axiom when efficiency and vampire current is a concern. If small-load efficiency is important you basically want an external battery bank... 24V is best for small loads, and a small inverter connected to it, somewhere in the 500W to 800W range. That will generally have a vampire load of roughly 6W and be super-efficient for small loads. And still be big enough to handle a fridge cycling (for example). Some people even use little pure-sine-wave 12V "car" inverters, at least for the 100W-300W range. Vampire draw is typically 1-2W but watt-for-watt efficiency is a bit worse for the loads. Rule of thumb for an inverter, 50% of the inverter size is near the maximum efficiency point of the inverter watt-for-watt for loads. -Matt

I love my Apollo 5K !!!

Apollo can be set up for caravan and/or canopy for beach drive or corrugation?

I'd pick the Ultra. It will allow me to use my Delta Pros with it.

Have you had a problem with delta pro ultra sold by amazon.The q/a:"Is ac pass through possible with 120v input? A: Use the c20 outlet for a bypass mode with a 120v input. There is no bypass mode for 240v input. AC output is turned off at this time"

I like the apollo for it's simplicity. How about the anker solix?

Is recharging with a large portable generator a good option? Will the generator use up too much propane.

To be fair, you were using a preproduction unit, so that means you were also using a beta version of the app, which I would make sure you're now using the official version. There is a longer cable coming out for the DPU but both are good systems and I want your DPU batteries lol

Ben I bought my first solar unit from you that was a Titan with 3 batteries. Could you update your views on it now. I only need a unit to survive on at my small cabin. Thank you for all you have done to help us understand solar 😅

@larrycox6614

2 ай бұрын

I'm in the situation... they are running great, but... I'm wondering about how to sell them to get the latest & greatest

@minutemanprep

2 ай бұрын

The Titan is still a great unit if you only need 120v power. I ran my Titan for over 4 years non-stop and it worked great. I have since upgraded my system at my cabin only because I have added 240v items and want to run them off of battery at night.

I'll have to go with gysolis! I currently have the most 4500 and living 100% off grid and they have helped me in a couple situations very quickly and friendly! I know the Apollo had a very rough starts(watched that video) butbwith the bugs worked out it seems like the champ, yeah a tad pricier especially if you want the 220 volt but the 6000 charges to the 3600 makes the Apollo better for longevity especially if you want slowly expand. Also can't the battery be replaced in the Apollo itself?

I'm not sure which to get. I know zero and need it set up by someone and basic tutoring. I think I'll get one but like portability a lot. I'm going to decide by May but sure have to find help. I can't even follow all the connector advice you give. I'm a disabled officer and have a brain injury. I don't have much in loss of thinking but my memory is pretty bad. I do want to get a system asap. Thank you for your video. I had narrowed my choice between these exact units and do have budget limits. So I'll get one unit so perhaps the Delta is best but I do worry about less charging panels with a package.

@minutemanprep

Ай бұрын

If you'd like please email me at info@poweredportablesolar.com

This technology & market continues to move forward. What is the best today will be surpassed tomorrow; reminds of the PC/CPU days beginning in the 90's where CPU speeds were constantly doubling every year. With that said, which of these should a person buy for the long haul... say 5-10 years of use... maybe more?

My need is for automated home grid use

Good stuff Ben! I'd totally take Apollo. Ecoflow burnt me in the past badly so screw them but even if they didn't, I live in NE so need that PV input and I just like to pull for the smaller company since it's also US based it's a no Brainer. Never regret my Growatt 3k and my Point Zero Titan purchases but yea I'd love an Apollo if I could justify the purchase😊

@GoodmanMIke59

2 ай бұрын

US based is a cultural need for me.

@scarygary3569

2 ай бұрын

I feel like I can trust a smaller business much more than a larger company. Sure their resources may be less but their ethics and morals come through much more in the end and in their product&service.

The apollo is what i need. But being in Europe, has to be 240v from the get go on a single apollo unit. Yes, i would love to have 1.2 gigawats (great scott!!) of power through multiple apollos and expansion batteries, but the reality is that I can’t afford from the get go 2 apollos etc. Buying 1 apollo with 240v output and then adding expansion batteries as i go would be awesome, but unfortunately not available. 😮‍💨

@jmacd8817

20 күн бұрын

But, being in the EU, not having a TUV/CE certification means it's not available for you.

In your battery category, you should compare the price per kwh not just wattage if you want to be truly judicious in your comparisons 😊

At 20:16 you hit the power button to cut the portable screen on nothing happens then you cut to it being on and sitting on the generator. Did it take too long to turn on?

Which is best at 11.100 ft in elevation?

the never can have solar guy here. virtually no videos for that type of of customer that i’ve seen. ben, which of these would you pick for someone that will be recharging it with a dual fuel generator, if a prolonged outage? please do a video for no solar people please. thanks!

Have you done a comparison on the natures generator?

@minutemanprep

4 ай бұрын

I haven't, becaus it's lead-acid. Lead-acid is dead. It's not a reliable system with that battery tech.

I just bought a Ford Lightning and it has a 7kW system that I can plug into my house and run it for days. The only problem there is I can't charge it with solar so I need another system to run off grid. If I was to get one of these I would get the Delta Pro Ultra all day long.

I like EcoFlow DPU

EF DPU for the win.

What is solar charge time from 0 to 100% when solar is maxed out?

Have you tried Zendure?

Unfortunately, I’ve been hearing a lot of negative talk about Ecoflow’s support! I don’t know if they fixed this or not?

@minutemanprep

4 ай бұрын

I can only speak from my experience which has been good. When I call them I make a point to not let them know who I am or my channel so I get normal treatment. I can understand not everyone will have the same treatment but mine has been good.

Sorry if this appears twice. Was an OUPES Mega 3 Home Backup & Portable Power Station | 3600W 3072Wh part of your overall test? It appears to be a power horse. Just wondered how it compares with the 2 systems in this video.

Thank you for all the research!! You mentioned EMP, wouldn’t that or a solar event fry these? How would you protect a system this large from an event like that? Too big for a typical faraday bag

@minutemanprep

3 ай бұрын

A couple solutions are coming to market for EMP protection. Once they're ready, I'll post videos. But for now, they'd be fried in an EMP event.

@jmacd8817

20 күн бұрын

​@minutemanprep Solar storms won't affect these. You need long runs of conductor, which is a grid issue, and not a household issue. (If you have long runs between buildings, it MIGHT have an issue) Why? Solar storms are low flux, long time, wide area events. The magnetic flux in any small area is, well, small. But, over long runs (like telegraph lines for the Carrington event) the charge buildup can be significant. But in a small area, (like a house) the flux isn't enough to cause any issues. It may interfere with wifi (and DEFINITELY GPS) but nothing wire/conductor related. Foe the other EMP event, it's VERY high flux, over a wider area, but short duration. A Faraday cage is needed for this.

I want to see the DPU compared to the Bluetti BP800.

Appollo is the best double battery life for the win.

Will you be reviewing the Titan 240SP?

@minutemanprep

3 ай бұрын

Not directly, no. I don't like it as a system. I sent out an email to my email subscribers explaining why and Point Zero immediately terminated my contract with them to be a dealer. They don't mind me having negative things to say about other units but with theirs they don't allow it. It's cool the 240SP can do 240v split phase power but it's limited to 4,000w output with no option to expand. There are half of a dozen other systems now that are better in price, output, input, and capacity over the 240SP. I told them as much before they launched the 240SP and recommended they not launch it but rather innovate like they did with the original Titan. Sadly, that didn't happen.

The only thing that really matters to me if they both were charged if they are all would charge with solar and solar alone. And then it doesn't matter to me. One way or another how it charges as long as it charges with solar panels. And that'll make me happy and if it's still running loads.

Having someone that speaks English that I can understand is the one I would pick ? I get tired of saying I can’t understand you ? Then they pass you around to different techs ? Gets frustrating…. I agree that these units need to operate out of the box plug and play.

@minutemanprep

4 ай бұрын

Customer service is really important. Thanks for watching.

unfortunately I can't get solar input unless I literally go out of my building to get to a sunny spot to set the panels out. these 2 systems would be too big for me to get up the stairs into my apartment

Time for a new spreadsheet

@minutemanprep

4 ай бұрын

It's updated =)

What’s the real price comparison? You need 2 Apollo to 1 D ultra?

Looking ad one of the systems (eco or appolo) or EG4 18k with 3 14 kw batteries (off grid) What would you recommend

@minutemanprep

3 ай бұрын

I recommend the power stations if you don't want to learn how to wire batteries, inverters, and input the settings the make it all work together. If you're into a lot of DIY projects and feel comfortable wiring up batteries and inverters then I'd go with the 18kPV option. If you want to email me at info@poweredportablesolar.com I can help you figure out what would be easiest or at least what to expect.

so 1 Ultra = to 2 Apollo. just looking at amount of space each setup take up is huge. 3-phase 208V is nice to have if needed with the Apollo. The Ultra dose have a longer cable that was available at lunch so I have no idea what he is talking about as that's not an option.

Which one shocks you lol, I’ll wait till Costco has a deal on the ecoflow extended warranty and easy returns.

@zfontain1975

3 ай бұрын

Which unit.

Question: will one of these 240v systems power a grid-tied inverter to make it produce and charge the batteries during the day during a grid power outage?

@minutemanprep

Ай бұрын

Sadly, no. You need to AC couple batteries to your existing system. I'm happy to help you with that if you'd like. You can email me at info@poweredportablesolar.com