10:51 isn't wind noise, it's the Isuzu owner breathing a sigh of relief that his $100k + rig didn't ground out. 😅

That isuzu is a beast, I’m used to those being used for cargo in the highways, but it’s got great offroad capabilities let alone all the mods you put on it. Great video comparison.

That's an impressive run up the "HoT" by the Isuzu! For the size of the thing, it did amazingly well.

I just come across your channel and subscribed straight away and very impressed by the Isuzu I currently own a Ranger all decked out with all the fruit but recently ordered a new nps 75-155 and looking forward to adding a few extras cheers Amos 👍🍻🇦🇺

I ve worked in a station with this Isuzu amazing capabilities

Great video, really appreciate the technical details, break down of weights and specifically the in-field demonstrations with camper on the back. Great work, have subscribed and would love to see more, particularly with the camper loaded for touring and in various terrain like sand, mud and even snow! Keep it up.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

In a few weeks I plan something you may be very interested in...

Great video, first video I’ve seen with a proper demo of a trucks off road ability vs standard 4x4. Goes to show the importance of a good setup.

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! Please share :-)

the use of a cab-over cargo truck for offroading is something really unique that I haven't seen before, I wish we had some more of this kind of stuff here in the US, as opposed to the unending amount of jeep wranglers and cherokees and large crew cab pickups

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Works well doesn't it!

@bossplayerunit4563

3 жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC sure does, I bet it came at a serious cost though

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Not really. The truck without the camper is around $90000 AUD.

@thomashalley7258

2 жыл бұрын

They sell the 4x4 stuff in the states. It's just not as common.

@Hipporider

Жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC I'm wondering how much the suspension lift was? I bought a new RAM 1500 Quad Cab to set up as a camper, but now the diff strength has me wondering if it's up to task even while keeping to standard GVM which is only 850Kg 🇦🇺

That was really outstanding. Well done.

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! Would appreciate a share, and I have other videos on the Canter vs Ranger too!

I'm surprised how well the cumbersome Isuzu performed, great video should have way more views, keep up the good work 👌

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Me too...was amazing! Please share it then 👍thanks

The video confirms my experience with my Medium Duty Mitsubishi Canter. Good to see a nice a to b comparison though. Thank you for putting this together!

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, please share!

@allanhugh2044

3 жыл бұрын

Allan, I have seen some of your videos, I agree with your comments wholeheartedly. The two major differences between this light truck and Fido are: the Isuzu has Isuzu's medium wheelbase (3395mm), whereas yours is the short wheelbase from memory and our light truck is reasonably heavier than yours when fully loaded in touring trim; 5,900kg versus 4,500kg (approximately as I understand it) for Fido.

Redriven just released 5 most underrated 4wds, Isuzu was on the list, great vid.

Very informative video - thanks for sharing the technical details.

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks please share 👍

Great video. Thanks for posting

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Great comparison mate. Well done 👍👍

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

Great technical breakdown on something a little different. Good camera work too. If the owner plans to drive this way generally I'd like to see a scrub bar of some sort around the top and adjustment of the side canopy or the scrub bar to protect it as it wont be there much longer. That tree rub had me wincing.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed - I think my ideal setup would be a brush bar all the way around, and I'd want the camper the same width as the cab, and pop-top so same height. But, that'd be mega$$$$...

Very informative clip. Thanks

@L2SFBC

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! Please share :-)

What is lacking is showing the Isuzu pulling into a supermarket car park, or parking at a parking meter in the city, as one has to do when travelling around Australia. Even SUVs with a loaded pack rack, or roof top tent are usually excluded from normal shopping car parks due to their size. As the camper is on the truck, it cannot be left in a camping park, unlike a towed caravan or tent camp. You may lose your favourite camping spot just because you had to go to the shop for milk. When you come back, a caravan has taken your spot. Is it necessary to raise the height of the suspension given that the Differentials and axles have the original ground clearance. Maybe a softer (Bus) suspension with a lower GVM Gross vehicle Mass would work successfully. A low height pop top would make the Isuzu a great choice, given how close to a big family SUV or Duo Cab Ute it is in size. I would have appreciated some date fixed prices of the vehicles new, modification costs, fuel tank size and type and common range with full fuel tanks. Did you try the stock standard tray truck without modifications? The manufacturers balance a lot of considerations to suit most buyers. Does the truck or big tyre diameters require and additional licence at additional cost? This was a very valuable comparison. Thank you.

Amazing I want a truck like this one

I own a 2006 Isuzu Elf camper in Japan with 4.8l engine. One other difference I think is the torque from its engine, and of course the low range gears too. Wonderful chassis, mine is boosted a bit up but not as much as yours, mine has 18 inch wheels and tires not as big as yours. But mine does quite well for a camper. I believe mine has an LSD on the rear, not sure about the front. The engine braking is wonderful down steep hills, really keeps the brakes cool and gives long life, cheers. (love my Elf)

@romybalanay2131

Жыл бұрын

4.8 engine of isuzu is 4hl1 . it is so powerfull engine i have one of it and i was so impress of his tourqe and power

That is one very well loaded Isuzu! Far too many with very top heavy Expedition bodies that overwhelm the suspension causing the bodies to rock all over the place which then leads to the tyres losing contact with the ground. Just goes to show what these pretty basic trucks are capable of when the owner has a think about loading

Great video mate!

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, please share :-)

that love my Isuzu 2010 300 nps75 crew cab truck 4x4

Very enjoyable video - it provides ample evidence that IFS off-roaders with or without rear diff lock and front traction control are the vehicles responsible for tearing the crap out of all the tracks in record time. I'll keep my Patrol, thanks. I have an inexpensive ($400) autolocker in the front, a lift, and 33" Nittos and can wander up sections of track that the utes are struggling on and tearing up with endless wheelspin and wheel lifts.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Hmm...take a look at the Discovery on the Hill of Truth...

Oh how I wish we could get stuff like this in the states!! I love that Isuzu. Of course I have to admit I do most of my offroading in a bucket truck of similar size for work 🙃. It wouldn't be much of a change format me!

@UncannySense

2 жыл бұрын

can't you get 25year old import Mitsubishi canters in the states....

@terranowe

2 жыл бұрын

you have so many great trucks in the states at great prices i wouldn't be worrying about not having this truck over there. I'm envious of all the usa trucks that don't get made in right hand drive and imported here.

Good comparison. I’m really starting think about getting one of these to setup as a tourer. Just love the idea of having that extra GVM to do what I want.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

And space...

@allanhugh2044

3 жыл бұрын

If you are thinking of doing that and wish to have super singles and maybe upgrade the suspension. Do any major changes like them before initial registration, then the vehicle can be registered in any state or territory. If you do it after initial registration, or you do changes to a second hand vehicle, then you will be looking at engineers certification for every time the vehicle is registered in a different state or territory.

@taringaturi6950

2 жыл бұрын

@@allanhugh2044 Mate, I didn't even know that was a thing! That makes total sense. How would I go about that if I was to purchase a new truck?

@allanhugh2044

2 жыл бұрын

@@taringaturi6950 The single most important thing, is to ensure you get an approved second stage manufacturer to do the alterations requiring notification or amendment to the vehicle outside the original manufacturer's specification, prior to initial registration. I could have had all of the modifications done locally (Victoria) prior to original registration, but none of the places I was able to find that could do this, were second stage manufacturers as specified in the regulations. When these people do these kind of modifications, they simply get an engineer's certificate, which really makes life interesting when reselling to someone residing in another state. The people who did the modifications that matter, which in this case is All Terrain Warriors in Qld (ATW), are a second stage manufacturer. They issue a, "Second Stage Manufacture" compliance plate, which is permanently affixed for the life of the vehicle. This may sound daunting, but is quite easy to get done right; just ask the appropriate questions before saying yes. The mechanics in this case with an Isuzu light truck went like this. Initial research done with our local Isuzu dealer and other brands. We decided on the Isuzu, then contacted various vehicle modification businesses. In our case ATW received the vehicle direct from Isuzu's bond yard, did the modifications, then trucked the truck to the dealer in Victoria. The dealer took care of registration, then we picked up the vehicle and drove it home.

@taringaturi6950

2 жыл бұрын

@@allanhugh2044 thanks very much for the info and insight, Mate It's very much appreciated I can take alot away from that explanation. Cheers

No entiendo nada el ingles pero me gustó mucho el video. Yo tuve un camion 4x4 NPS y si es muy bueno. Pero buenísimo.

Wow, just by reading the title I almost skipped this one. I didn't give the Izuzu a bit of a chance. GREAT SURPRISE. Thanks a lot for this video.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

What made you want to skip it?

@jackharper3190

3 жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC Well, I just see people doing unfair comparisons just to make their point. This is the first video I saw from you. The second one is about the the Austin and the sand dune. You got a new subscriber. I appreciate your work.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. My conclusions are not pre determined and I like to show detail so readers can see how conclusions are drawn.

It would have been good to see the Ranger do this comparison with the camper on the back.

Great video. One thing I’m surprised about -given there’s so much money spent on off road mods for the Isuzu’s- is the fuel tanks are left underneath. I know space is an issue but personally I’d rather the fuel tanks, filters and spares behind the cab on the tray - then build out the platform. Hats off to ole mate in the truck, some terrific ballsy driving💪💪 cheers

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

They're actually ok in that position, they don't get damaged and it moves the weight low and central, then leaves more room for the tray etc.

@chrisandshazza01

2 жыл бұрын

How do you think the bog stock isuzu would go with the dual rears offroad? The gearing would be lower also. Would be interesting. Cheers Rob​@@L2SFBC

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisandshazza01 definitely worse with the dual rears which are also smaller diameter, and the gearing is plenty low enough even with the big tyres.

How about a Unimog comparison to the Isuzu? Great video, very impressed with the quality

@allanhugh2044

Жыл бұрын

That is an interesting question. The difference between the Ford Ranger and the Isuzu NPS is reasonably huge, but at the same time not too far away from each other. Essentially the Isuzu NPS, along with the Fuso and Hino equivalents, is a reasonably affordable step up in almost every department from mainstream automobile manufacturers cab chassis with a tray on the back, or cab chassis with a tub on the back that most of us are familiar with. Once you step up from the Light Rigid driving licence class of Japanese trucks available in Australia, you really start to get into some serious vehicles with quite serious capabilities. The price of these vehicles while not yet in the stratosphere, is getting close to it, which mainly restricts these kinds of Medium Rigid licence class vehicles to very well heeled customers. I would suggest the next most popular 4x4 truck that many people use is the MAN TGM range. These MAN trucks second hand are reasonably available in Australia and make excellent touring vehicles. The ex military Mercedes Unimogs that many people see in Australia right now, are essentially 40 year old military specification bare bones trucks. They require some fiddling to make them more user friendly and from personal experience you will find a set of ear muffs handy. Noise deadening in the cabin really helps. Current Unimogs are really in a world of their own, pretty much nothing stops them if they have been configured correctly for the load and conditions. They are nice to travel behind on a track, at 2500mm wide they effectively create a dirt highway for the following vehicle. The bigger trucks, Unimog and MAN have another problem, vehicle length. The above Isuzu is 6250mm in length, tray length is 4200mm, the living space in the slide-on camper is 4100mm in length; width is 2200mm and height is 3250mm. This is a small truck yet you could see how tight things were in places, however at that size it is quite agile. Stepping up to larger trucks that are wider, longer and heavier is doable, but the inconveniences get worse the bigger and heavier you go. In summary, Ford Ranger to Isuzu NPS, quite a big step. Isuzu NPS to MAN TGM, a very, very big step. Isuzu NPS to Mercedes Unimog, you'll need a stepladder.

Great vids mate 👍 but I'd luv to see you compar this truck against the fuso 4x4 canter

@L2SFBC

Жыл бұрын

When I can...

Thanks

Enjoyable review. Do you have any plans on doing a comprehensive head to head comparison off-road between the Isuzu 4x4 truck vs the Hino 300 4x4?

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

If I can get them!

Very good driving skills, very good honest test. the ONLY issue is that that camper top is way to high and makes your truck very top heavy, you can easily lower the ceiling on that camper and improve greatly the side angles - in some cases you can see where you might very soon tip over because you're too top heavy.

@allanhugh2044

3 жыл бұрын

You are correct, the camper is too high, however as it came from another vehicle and we owned it, this was the cheapest way to keep on touring wherever we wish with the least drama. While the weight does look quite high, I can assure it is very low. Except for the small rooftop air conditioner, nothing of any weight is higher than 900mm from the bottom of the camper. The highest thing which has some weight, is the bed and that is below the cabin height with the very top of the bed below the top of the cabin. Internally there are only the walls with light cupboards above 900mm from the floor. The camper is quite light as it was originally built for a much smaller vehicle where weight was a big issue. The truck is remarkably nimble and light, with all who drove it before we took delivery being surprised at how well it drove. The 280 litres of fuel is below the tray, the two spare wheels are below the tray, there is a 140 litre water tank above the rear differential but below the tray. Keeping all of these heavy externally mounted items very low, has also helped in making the truck handle as well as it does.

I wonder what mods you'd have to make to put a stronger diesel in it?

Nice video. Would like to see isuzu nps compare to another live axle vehicle such as land cruiser 79. Cheers

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

There will be more such comparisons...can't say exactly what and when yet though!

@einfelder8262

3 жыл бұрын

Apart from the excess power the 79 has, it loses every other comparison from cost to ride to handling to cruising at 100k to towing to load carrying capacity. The 79 can be really ugly off-road with it's lack of articulation and narrow rear track. The extra power is no real advantage either, unless you're a wanker who thinks a V8 still sounds good when a turbo is in the exhaust :) - here's a tip - a good old NA V8 petrol sounds great, a turboed V8 diesel with no muffler sounds shit.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Yes the comparison wouldn't go well for the 79. It needs both lockers for the Hill of Truth...check my LC70 video

Enjoyed the video and impressed by the Isuzu. Since the Ranger always went first, may be an idea not to have the Isuzu already parked up on top in most shots when the Ranger crests....detracts a bit from the "will the Isuzu make it"...........Regardless, very interesting

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

Hah good point!

@allanhugh2044

2 жыл бұрын

As Robert mentions, a good point. That said, the Isuzu in all cases, always went after the Ford ute(s) traversed whatever the obstacle was. Thereby giving me an idea of what the surface was like and their ability to conquer or not conquer the obstacle. It had been approximately 48 years since I had done similar stuff in 4x4 and 6x6 trucks, to say I was rusty would be an understatement. The Isuzu certainly has surprised in places not expected, the Hill of Truth was one of those places. Being a manual transmission, riding the clutch up a hill is not the best idea, so one has to select the appropriate gear and use throttle control to do the job. If you listen and look at the Isuzu's Hill of Truth ascent, you will note a couple of times the revs die right down. Each time I felt (and heard) slight slippage coming from the front axle, I pulled the throttle back ever so slightly. Doing this the revs dropped to approximately idle speed and/or slightly under idle speed (750rpm). The torque of the motor is such, that with a delicate touch of throttle the truck would start ascending the hill again, resulting in really minimal front axle slippage as the torque bias differential continuously threw power back and forth to either side of the front axle. I could feel and hear one front wheel start to slip, almost instantly that would stop then the other side would start to slip while at the same time the first wheel received tractable power. If we had had two cameras, one either side and played them back on a split screen, it would be quite an interesting thing to see as either side starts to slip then stop slipping and watch this in real time as the torque bias differential swings power from side to side.

I want that Isuzu.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Buy one and let us know how it goes!

Mate! Brilliant, Brilliant video clip! I've been looking for videos on this model in real time and have been trying g to find out what these trucks are capable of off road. This sums it up beautifully. Could you tell me how much the 'Off Road Warrior' upgrade suspension and wheels set up cost please. This is what I want to do to our truck when we get it. Thanks Mate

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! Please share! I can't comment on costs; contact All Terrain Warriors who did that truck, and Australian Adventure Vehicles who also specialise in these vehicles.

@taringaturi6950

2 жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC thanks Mate I will check them out for sure Much appreciated👍🏽

I reckon a pop top camper on the Isuzu would be great. Lower it to the height of the cab for travel and extend so you can stand up inside when at camp.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@unpluggedkiwi2699

3 жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC Not so good for colder climates though ie South Island of NZ in winter.

@gailguthrie1059

2 жыл бұрын

This is what we are looking into. OverlandXP by Trailblazers RV do one.

Nice motor home

interesting review. I like the many demonstrations to show real world comparisons in different scenarios and the analylitical commentary. one thing I'd like to see that seems to be missing in a few of your comparisons is the relative performance of these vehicles in sand/soft sand/climbing a sandy hill or dune. the differences in power to weight ratio and weight of these vehicles per wheel etc could make a lot of difference and even up the scores in these comparison scenarios . in wa getting off a beach or getting up a sandy dune track is a common test and requirement for 4wds in real life.. thanks again for the great vids

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

thanks I don't include that as I didn't have a chance to drive that terrain. Another one coming soon, please share this one!

I would suggest that the Isuzu motor is way under tuned . And that a remap would reap massive gains . Even the Isuzu 3 litre 4 cyl puts out more power and torque than the engine in NPS

If isuzu can apply this performance on his pick up dmax would be so great

Hello, what are those springs called that you have used to bolt the cabin with the base of the truck. Do they provide additional stability? What difference does it makes if straight bolted ?

@allanhugh2044

3 жыл бұрын

If you are talking about the springs at the 2.12 second mark, then these are designed to allow the tray, which the camper is bolted to, to let the chassis rails flex (twist). This means the tray can stay mainly flat and the chassis rails underneath can twist and flex a bit without trying to twist and flex the camper. There are 4 either side for a total of 8 spring mounts.

Thank you, this was very helpful. I was disappointed Isuzu can not convert the base to have a higher ground clearance... For Expedition Vehicle which brand model in your opinion is the best??

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Too broad a question. Depends on budget and needs.

You mentioned the front LSD made the turning radius larger...to what extent? If starting a build with open diffs would you add LSDs or Lockers? (i.e. for similar off road use as in the video, winter driving not that you see much of that, and general onroad use.)

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

I can't say exactly - would need to measure turning circle with and without, and you can't disable an LSD -, but I'd go for the locking diff option not the LSD. It's a big truck and doesn't need an even bigger turning circle. And the turning circle would also change depending on the nature of the terrain. But, it is significant.

Watching this has made me realise how rediculously large my F-150 Raptor is... both longer (by a few mm) AND considerably wider than the NPS-75!

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

...and the Isuzu could carry your F-150 in weight!

@texnorthman

2 жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC Indeed! And the F-150 can hardly carry anything at all (roughly 450kg in addition to me and the missus). I still love this daft truck though, despite it not fitting in any parking spaces or garages here in Norway ;)

Cool video. On the hill of truth test you note that the Ford Everest had an update to the BTC. You've previously mentioned the Everest had pretty poor BTC. Has this been updated in newer models?

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it has been upgraded. Not sure exactly when though. Original owners reported improvements.

@markhochguertel2232

3 жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC thank you! It's so hard to find this information online. You're reviews have been the most comprehensive I've found.

That was a very good comparison. The point of most interest to me wasn't covered, fuel consumption. Do you have any numbers?

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry didn't cover that but the owner has commented I think on this video with numbers

But how do you fit a bonnet scoop to your NPS 🤔🤣🤣 Great comparison, factoring cost, capacity and ability it's amazing so many still go a 79 series over a Isuzu or Canter.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Well, the 79 is smaller...but yes, with the amount of money poured into the average 79 build you could get a tasty NPS or Canter, brand new, which could carry a lot more both bulk and weight...and be as comfortable!

@Spoonfed78

3 жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC Yes true re size. Amazingly though for 80k you can have complied 37s and a matching front to rear wheel track 🤣

Id love a good off road video of the larger Isuzu's like the FTS 700,750,800 or the 139-260.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

If I can find one, I'll do it!

@woopwoopadventures6789

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Rob, I have an FTS800 that i can bring to the table. What do you have in mind?

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

The same as in the video - Ranger as a benchmark, see how the truck goes!

@woopwoopadventures6789

2 жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC I'm good with that. Where are you based?

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

Melbourne but I travel...when allowed!

Must say the Everest did rather well with just traction control enabled. The updated system on the PX2 ranger and everest really makes them so much more capable offroad

@vanderz1012

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the like much appreciated!!! Please would you tell me what year that particular Everest is just curious?

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

That's a 2016, one of the very first, but Ford updated the traction control software later

@vanderz1012

2 жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC oh so they have updated it again? From what year was that?

@351tgv

2 жыл бұрын

@@vanderz1012 - No what happened was when the Everest was first released at the same time the Ranger when PX to PX MkII, so what every they did to the Everest (save for the rear suspension which is anti-roll bar, coil springs watts link (in a very neat 5 link set up which is a good compromise for on and off road use) v simple leaf springs, sway bar set up in Ranger. The front end of Everest/ranger is where it changed for Ranger, (depends on view of engine assisted hydraulic power steering v electric power steering) when Ford updated the PX to PX MkII they changed the steering to "EPAS" electric power assistance steering which meant they could also control the traction control on the front axle (re: keep it switched on full time) when using the rear diff lock, Ford also changed the way "BTC" brake control torque worked also in that the torque split in 4x4 low was reduced by about 40% at the front end in order to provide better traction combined with ABS, going to EPAS set up also allowed Ranger/Everest to have semi auto parking / lane keep assist and all that other stuff which may or may not be a good thing again depends on your view point.

@vanderz1012

2 жыл бұрын

@@351tgv thanks very much for the detailed explanation this is so very important for me when choosing my Everest thanks very much 😁

The NPS or canter do not come with factory front LSD’s, it’s an open diff center. You can option them with a front locker aftermarket (atw and harrop) the unit tested in your vid looks like it has an atw front diff upgrade fitted

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Yes...the video states it has a Quaife ATB LSD in the front.

@SUPERTRUCKER166

3 жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC no it doesn’t, just rewatched it you mentioned The lsds at test 8 and the conclusion but only said powerful front and rear lsd’s

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry thought that was mentioned. Added it to the description.

@photografiq_presents

Жыл бұрын

@@SUPERTRUCKER166 This is how world peace will be acheived! Holding people to account over their damnable lies related to minutea. I applaud that you didn't just accept his untruths and rewatched the video to prove your point.

Why is it that pickups in Australia never seem to have a factory made load bed? They always seem to have this generic looking box that instead gets fitted after purchase.

@L2SFBC

4 ай бұрын

We have a huge range of beds, not just service bodies like mine. Trays and tubs also popular.

@TRPGpilot

4 ай бұрын

@@L2SFBCOk, thanks. Have a good day.

How do you find these mid sized 4x4 trucks compare on steep low traction surfaces? Such as climbing up steel clay hills? Usually such climbs require good wheel speed and quality mud tyres to eject the mud and keep momentum.

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

No experience but in those conditions light weight rules and so does momentum..nether of which the trucks are good for.

I see most die hard 4wd guys are not even going to get in on the debate. hahaha I drive the Mitsubishi Canter 4x4 ... Love it out performs any other 4x4 i have ever had..

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

What mods do you have?

@michaelbaldwin4156

3 жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC Parabolics in the front only Adj shockies all round, standard running gear original LSD in rear ( actually very good) Umm actually too many mods to put in here. hahaha Easier to post picture.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Would like to see!

Esas son mis carreteras del Perú profundo.😉😈full adrenalina mejor. Está izuzu siiiii para mí camper

Next video. Ranger v Abrams tank

You just convinced me my vehicle of choice for my camper will be a Isuzu 4x4 Truck.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Send pics when you get it please!

@unpluggedkiwi2699

3 жыл бұрын

Also look at Mitsubishi Canter and, if your budget goes that far, the Iveco Daily 4x4

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

I have video of the Canter and the Iveco is featured in an interview

Truth is truth... I prefer the Isuzu... four by four by far!... thanks from across the ditch 👍🇳🇿

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Someone had a question if these vehicles are available in NZ...any idea?

@allgood6760

3 жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC I seen these trucks here so there must be a dealer some place here👍🇳🇿

@unpluggedkiwi2699

3 жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC Full Isuzu range is available in NZ with an extensive dealer and service network. And no, I do not work for Isuzu. But I have been considering one for myself so have done some research.

Just found this video, great comparison. We're in the market for a light truck for an expedition vehicle. With a custom build (fixed) we're looking at north of $250K. I really like the slide-on camper as it makes the overall cost much lower and we can remove and use the truck here on the farm for other duties. You got your mods done with All Terrain Warriors? We are considering Australian Adventure Vehicles - the owner of that company Kym Bolton - came up with the super single conversion idea. Their conversions also look real good.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, yes that's ATW. AAV do similar, but they use a front locker not an LSD - a better solution in my view. I have a video interview with AAV here -> kzread.info/dash/bejne/jJeWkrR-odrLg9I.html

@allanhugh2044

3 жыл бұрын

A couple of things you may wish to consider, the Fuso doesn't have synchromesh in first gear, so you will need to double clutch and time your revs reasonably well to slip down to first when on an incline. Not an issue if you select prior to ascending, but if you are mid hill then you will need, in all likely hood, to stop and use hill start and take off. Not an issue really, just something to be aware of. The Isuzu has synchromesh on all five gears, so not an issue. Reverse gear and first gear in the Isuzu box are directly opposite each other. So rocking backwards and forwards should be relatively easy. The Fuso does not have cruise control, the Isuzu has it as standard. The stock gearing on the Isuzu means it is screaming a bit at 100 km/h with standard wheels/tyres. With the 37" wheels/tyres fitted, I think it's about right and so far nothing has fazed it in the go slow and steep department. You mention usage on a farm, if you are getting a dual cab, then either will be good, but if you are getting a single cab, then be aware that the Fuso chassis rails are at two levels. The design of the Fuso means the business part of the chassis rails on the dual cab are lower, meaning a lower centre of gravity and naturally easier access for loading unloading in a farm environment. The chassis rails on the Isuzu are approximately 100mm wider apart than the Fuso, dependent upon usage this may have a bearing. One thing to consider, is steering axle weight. If you are intending to add a winch and presumably a bull bar, then the Isuzu has 3100kg capacity versus 2800kg for the Fuso. I have seen a current model Fuso Canter with a bar and winch on the front similar to what the above truck has and their steering axle weight was 2740kg with two people and fully loaded, meaning they only had 60kg left on the front axle. The above truck was weighed very early on the day of the comparison with only the driver in the cabin, the steering axle was 2780kg while the rear axle was 2940kg. A nice balance between axles and the way it drives shows that having a nice balance certainly helps. With two people in the cabin and a few more odds and ends the front axle is usually running around 2860kg. The front differential would certainly be more capable if it was running a locker, but the aftermarket 100% mechanical torque bias differential fitted is quite unbelievable in how it works. When in 4x4 mode on normal stuff, it is nothing short of brilliant, it wouldn't be as good for super serious stuff, but within reason one has to decide what one prefers. A rear differential locker is available for the Isuzu and if you combined that with the Torsen type of differential fitted to the Isuzu above; I would think that would be a really, really good setup. I'm not sure if a rear locker is available for the Fuso. As for the invention of super singles in the setup we are talking about on the vehicles we are talking about, well, they have been around for quite some time on various vehicles before these Japanese trucks were even first manufactured. One such truck I have personally seen, been in and travelled in as a passenger, is a Hanomag 4x4 which was around in Germany immediately after WWII. In their single wheel mode, one simply turned the wheels around 180º for front or rear axle. The unit I was in was built around 1949 from memory. One last thing for farm use, the current Isuzu NPS 75 155 does not have a DPF fitted, they have another method of dealing with exhaust emissions. This means, one does not have a burn-off situation; ever.

@electrasonic

3 жыл бұрын

@@allanhugh2044 Allan a great post, any chance of a paragraph edit

@allanhugh2044

3 жыл бұрын

@@electrasonic I'm all ears.

Impressive stuff, but for mine I couldn't accept the high centre of gravity or the high seating position, really love the luxury of these modern dual cabs. I know from having large live axle wagons that that suspension flex does make the high centre of gravity less of an issue than it might appear but honestly I'd feel a lot better about towing a camper than dealing with that.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Fair points and each to their own!

@MarcusTuck

3 жыл бұрын

The high seating is great. In town you can see over all the cars and can react to situations well in advance. In the bush you can see so much more over the vegetation. Having had both, I’m in no hurry to go back into the weeds with no visibility.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Very true, like when I change from driving my Toyota 86 (lowered) to the Ranger (lifted)...amazing difference, and a truck is a world again!

@photografiq_presents

Жыл бұрын

Definitely an each to their own, situation. It also shows the negative impact a lack of driver confidence can have on a vehicle's limitations.

these LSD we talking about, are they stock or after market?

@L2SFBC

Жыл бұрын

Aftermarket

Just out of interest, what sort of fuel usage does the truck get ? cheers..

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

Covered in the comments somewhere

Hi great video! Lots of really good information! How do you find the height of Isuzu camper? When you go off road do you find the height to be a problem? And how about traveling on the highway, does the wind resistance have much affect on fuel economy? Thanks.

@allanhugh2044

3 жыл бұрын

The height of the camper in general is not a problem that said, if we wished to do tight tracks lined with low hanging vegetation all of the time, then it would be a problem. The camper, which is permanently bolted to the tray, is 3250mm above the ground, which is approximately the height of many Australian built caravans. Steep inclines and declines have not been an issue and the truck has certainly surprised us with its capabilities fully loaded and ready to go. So far and within reason wet tracks haven’t been a problem either, it was on wet muddy tracks where the front Automatic Torque Biasing (ATB) LSD differential first showed how good it is. If ever we got another truck, the first thing I would add is an ATB LSD to the front axle if the truck was presented with an open differential. As for sand, we’ve had limited sand experience in the truck, but what sand we have done has shown that when aired down, the tyres certainly make a shallow and long footprint in soft dry sand, making things remarkably easy; so far. As for fuel consumption, we’ve been quite surprised, it could be a combination of the larger radius tyres as well as often travelling on smaller roads where the overall speed is reasonably low and not going gangbusters on the highway sections. The larger wheel/tyre combination has reduced the engine revolutions by 14.5% in top gear. Being registered as a heavy vehicle in Australia, the truck is limited to 100km/h maximum speed. The cruising speed we seem to settle on, is 92 km/h at 2,400rpm give or take. Fuel consumption is currently 17.1 l/100 to 17.3 l/100 for around town and flat highway travelling. This has been a consistent figure for the last 3,000 kilometres. As soon as we hit hills or very high headwinds we are steady at 18 l/100 to 18.5 l/100. 4x4 driving on dirt roads and tracks, but still in high range, is around 19 l/100 while hard 4x4 work so far is around 20 l/100 to 21 l/100. Heavy sand, single sample of 55 kilometres in low range, was 22.5 l/100 to 23.5 l/100.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

Great info thanks for helping everyone!

Hi Robert, we are thinking of purchasing an Isuzu truck as we have the same issue as you with weight carrying a slide on camper. A few questions, what is the mileage you are getting on road and how does it handle with a slide on fitted. regards Liz

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

Not my truck suggest asking on Isuzu FB forums

@allanhugh2044

2 жыл бұрын

Liz, the truck uses approximately 18 l/100 on average as you see it, with two people and fully loaded. We went away a couple of weeks ago into the Victorian high country with plenty of wet weather and needing 4WD engaged in many places as it was quite slippery. This is with the touring weight around 5900 kg or 5.9 tonne, which is close to what it weighed in the clip that you have seen. During that time in the high country and travelling around 500 km's of sometimes steep muddy terrain, as well as descending; we averaged 20.5 l/100 for that part of the trip. The truck fuel usage swings from 16 l/100 to 20 l/100 in general, with 18 l/100 being pretty much where the long term is at. In serious deep sand, low range and working hard, the fuel usage is between 23 l/100 to 26 l/100. On dirt roads and most outback situations where we are travelling 80 km/h or lower and no real hills, the truck generally uses 16.5 l/100. This comes about because the speeds are slow, the bigger wheels and tyres mean less revs for any speed and the fact that we just ambling along in a high(ish) gear with minimal throttle input. The wheel tyre combination that we have is an approximate 14% reduction in engine speed for any given speed, as the Isuzu mantra appears to be to have a quite high revving engine and almost be revving to the rev limit at 100 km/h. The bigger diameter wheel/tyre combination makes the engine rev far less for any given speed and in fact seems to be about the correct ratio. Comfortable cruising speed, at least where the truck is in it's sweet spot, is around 88 km/h to around 95 km/h. it just ambles along easily, except for hills where, being a truck, it dies. As the absolute speed limit for a truck in Victoria, is 100 km/h we haven't had it over 100 km/h, so I have no idea what it would be like, except it would start to suck fuel. The handling is not a problem, one needs to remember that it is a truck and having a hard side slide-on camper bolted to the back it isn't the fastest thing on corners. Winds are not really a problem, although a head wind certainly takes the oomph out of the engine. I would suggest if you are thinking of purchasing new, then do a lot of research into what accessories and/or changes to the truck and getting anything that requires an engineering certificate done prior to original registration; no mater which state or territory you reside in. The difference is that this truck had all suspension and wheel changes done prior to initial registration by a Second Stage Manufacturer (SSM) This means we can sell the truck in any state or territory as though you were selling a normal car. If you have the major changes done after initial registration, then an engineers report will be required (at the least) for registration in another state. The same applies if you move interstate, an engineers report will be required to move your registration; quite a shock for many people. Not sure how to go about it, but if you wish to contact me; do so.

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic response! Liz, I can put you in touch with Allan if you contact me via my website.

Ok I am a little late to the party. Did the gross weights include driver and or passengers? As the Isuzu is only a 3 seater, but realistically 2. An apples for apples test would see a single or space cab, and there for more weight could be moved further forward. I also believe the ute would be more prone to breakages as it is loaded so close to or over its gvm, whereas the Isuzu has 33%+ of its payload in reserve

@L2SFBC

Жыл бұрын

It's not meant to be apples to apples. Yes re % loading.

Do the diff ratios get changed to accomodate the 37's

@L2SFBC

9 ай бұрын

no, good question

@nickathos7428

9 ай бұрын

Jesus the loss of torque down low would be noticable. I noticed it going from stock tyres on my hilux to 32 inch muddies😱

@L2SFBC

9 ай бұрын

Not on a truck like that, no

The everest looked like the tyres werent let down

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

Correct

Some of us old farts don't think in metric. Would appreciate some standard units in the charts, even if you don't call them out.

@L2SFBC

Жыл бұрын

Noted will do

Isuzu No1

I want an Isuzu 4x4. But I can't get one in the United States. Why?

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

No idea, would be interested to hear from US people on this.

@pixelmartyr8532

3 жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC I live in Las Vegas Nevada. We are surrounded by vast stretches of desert. Lots of off-road adventure.

@pixelmartyr8532

3 жыл бұрын

I think I can get one in Canada, But there's a problem when getting the vehicle worked on. Dealers in the US don't want to work on a vehicle with a Canadian VIN number. And from what I understand, getting work done for recalls can be an obstacle. Many dealerships will tell you to get it done in Canada which is not an easy thing considering I live in the South West United States. Over 2300 kilometers.

@nasseral-momen1463

2 жыл бұрын

Go for the fuso 4x4

hearing aussies trying to say isuzu is like hearing americans try to say italian lol.

i work on the rangers all the time they are shit boxes i would pick the isuzu any day

There must have been shit everywhere in the camper after that!

@L2SFBC

Жыл бұрын

Nope!

That Ranger really needs new tyres those look almost bone stock

Do this with an OKA instead of the Isuzu.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

If any OKA owner would like to volunteer...it will happen!

Good God man there is no comparison here. Put a Isuzu ute there you may have something

Исузу-рулит!

@georgyvahrushev3908

2 жыл бұрын

По таким ебеням на джипчике, как бы он не был подготовлен, не стоит ездить. Конечно Исузу лучше. Только у него внизу рамы бензобаки висят, за них беспокойно. И задний свес тоже напрягает. Возможно по проходимости 66 здесь здесь был бы получше.

Not a real high bar to cross beating a ranger.

A real offroader should be able to lock both differentials

In the tree section (where the mirror was folded) it's clearly seen how that manual transmission hurts Isuzu. It's just too much stuff to control for the driver, and instead of going nice and slow it moves jerky and messy always rolling backwards a little bit. Maybe a lower gear ratio would help, I really don't understand how this joke of an engine does this well with laughable 1.8 while something like a Jeep Wrangler has a lot more torque and a lot better 4.0 low range. Even the old Defender with about the same joke engine had 3.0 or something, IIRC. And this thing's got which tire diameter?! I mean, I'm not dumb, I see it moves, it climbs, probably because of low final drive and low first gear, but I also see Isuzu doesn't move effortlessly as something like a Ford Bronco would. And also most of the Isuzu capability comes from mods. It ain't cool. Any car can be modded to the point it becomes the fastest or the most capable. There's no beauty in mods, it's like playing a game using cheat codes: it is fun for a while, but soon becomes boring, as you defeated the whole purpose of the game - the challenge of overcoming an tough situation using a standard set of tools. I know you're familiar with Snowrunner. Imagine always using ANK Mk38 with all the chassis add-ons, autonomous winch and 0 fuel consumption - not very fun of a game, wouldn't it be?

@L2SFBC

Жыл бұрын

The Bronco is a far smaller vehicle so not a fair comparison. Smaller vehicles will always be more agile. Have to disagree re mods.

@ldmtag

Жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC that's even better reason for me to prefer a dedicated offroad truck and not a modified 4x4 Isuzu. But there's one thinf that justifies your build: the appearance. Both Gaz and Iveco are ugly. Iveco's a little better, Gaz's a little worse. Isuzu is a lot better looking. Canter, I believe, is the prettiest, but Isuzu is fine too.

@allanhugh2044

Жыл бұрын

Vasyl, you make some good points, but things are not always what they seem. The Japanese, Thai and Indonesian military forces, to name some of them, use this same truck with almost identical changes to this one, for their respective military uses. In Australia this vehicle is only sold in the civilian version, which includes 4 tyres on the rear axle for a heavier payload. When the vehicle is supplied for military use with single wheels on front and rear axles, the payload is reduced just like this one. The standard unmodified vehicle is extremely capable and would have almost no issues with anything shown in the video. The modifications made are mainly for comfort and in the case of the single wheels, safety and comfort. This vehicle is used for travelling for months at a time, for that purpose it is excellent. The wheel diameter is 940mm The engine is 5.2L It has more torque than a Jeep Wrangler. A Jeep Wrangler does not have a complete house on the rear. In fact if the house on the back was removed, the Jeep Wrangler could go on the rear and it would be roughly the same weight as it is here and legal. The maximum payload of a Ford Bronco is roughly 566kg, depending upon which model. The Isuzu light truck has a payload of either 3,000 kg or with different wheels 3,500kg. So I am not surprised that the Isuzu light truck doesn't move as effortlessly as a Ford Bronco. As for the tree section (with the mirror folded) I used the hill start function. The hill start function holds the brakes on, once you start to feed the clutch, the brakes are released. So the truck will always roll back slightly before the clutch starts to catch. It isn't an issue, it is how it is designed. I did however use a little bit more throttle than I should have, I throttled down then drove out.

You need to compare apples to apples. These two truck are not even in the same League.

@L2SFBC

3 жыл бұрын

The point was to use the Ranger as a baseline so people understood what the Isuzu could do relative to a ute they knew.

@rawdog6746

3 жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC Whoops my bad. I'm a little short on brains today.

Which accent is that.....I,ve heard a couple of you saying 'de' instead of 'the' and they 'dey' are instead of here 'they' are......Not taking the piss mate, I'm an English teacher and I use many different accents and dialects in my teaching. I also drive A Unimog U1300L and a Jeep Wrangler JK unlimited CRD. My wife drives an Isuzu D Max AT35 (we only get a 1.9 diesel here in Euroland)

@L2SFBC

Жыл бұрын

It is a speech defect not dialect 😭

@Pinzpilot101

Жыл бұрын

@@L2SFBC Sorry to hear that, by I'm sure I've heard a couple of Juno's with that same defect...unless you get around under different names....either way..carry on you vids are concise and good to watch and hear.

Isuzu truck vs ford ? Ford has no chance.

@L2SFBC

Жыл бұрын

Apparently not!

Rangers sure do suck. That's what this really shows.

@L2SFBC

2 жыл бұрын

How's your Hilux going?

You put some garbage tires on that Ranger

lmao ford ranger what a joke

Hi Robert, another extremely informative video, I’m so grateful for you taking the time to make these videos, I’m looking at either the fuso or Isuzu, kind of leaning towards the fuso at the moment, if you were to choose between the two which would you go with? I want to do a 5 year lap of Aus but not too extreme off ok rock crawling but def will be doing tracks like you do in both your fuso and Isuzu vids, keep making these videos 😁

@L2SFBC

21 күн бұрын

Both do the job well. Look at my other Fuso/Isuzu videos including one where I take a Fuso offroad and also talk to AAV to do a direct comparison between the two. But as you asked, personally, I'd like the Isuzu AMT with the front locker.

@FRERABRETZ1

21 күн бұрын

@@L2SFBC great response thank you Robert, I am sure I’ve watched the comparison video but now I’m actually buying one I’ll watch again more closely, thank you for your opinion 😊.

@L2SFBC

21 күн бұрын

Make sure you watch the 17 and 19.5" wheel comparison too so you know which one to specify. Important.

@FRERABRETZ1

21 күн бұрын

@@L2SFBC just done that 😁, these videos are a godsend 👌