I just bought a first generation dodge cummins and I'm very happy with. I don't mind the way it drives. It takes some getting use to. It's pretty rough when you hit bumps. But I still love that truck. I do not regret buying it. It was pretty good deal too.

Gotta love Cummins. 40% less moving parts. Two less cylinders, two less injectors, and no stickin glow plugs that you have to pull the fender well out to replace.

@colbypurkeypile9274

5 жыл бұрын

Trace Fuqua amen to that!

@jamesnm21

5 жыл бұрын

Mic drop

@justinmartin8887

3 жыл бұрын

Badumtss

@crewcab1984rv

3 жыл бұрын

Just 1 head to rebuild or replace

Just got a 93 2 wheel drive diesel. Killer truck. Straight, clean, low miles. The locals are flashing headlights on highway. It’s going to be my trailer hauling rig for camping. I’m looking for a forum for info for parts or upgrades. Loved your video Thanks Dean

The stiff ride can be fixed by removing some front leaf springs and re-arching them to lift the truck slightly higher. The rear can be reconfigured by taking the pack apart and removing some leaves, re-arching them and putting some of them on the bottom in place of the thick spring. Did mine and the truck rides very nice and still carry's the same weight.

Haha if you just want to work on a truck every weekend, go with the 6.0, they are always broken

@LOUDNPROUD

7 жыл бұрын

Avery Jones not that kind of fixing problems lol I'm saying building it up😂

@LOUDNPROUD

7 жыл бұрын

Avery Jones otherwise yes! Lmao

@Piolv

6 жыл бұрын

You Mean The 6.BLOW

@Countryboy2206

6 жыл бұрын

It's only broken for dipshits who throw too much power in it and only drive in the city. Go find someone who drives a 6.0 as it's intended and see if they've had problems.

@385garage2

5 жыл бұрын

Avery Jones hahahahahahaha so true

What you said about demand for 1st gens in relation to KZread videos increasing is so true. I wasn't a fan of first gens until I found your channel

@LOUDNPROUD

7 жыл бұрын

fishinforfun33 yeah it is... really is..

@braydena9646

7 жыл бұрын

fishinforfun33 I became a fan about 2 years ago and wanted one since but I'm also 17 like loud n proud and so I decided to do what he's doing and bought a 2nd gen that I am slowly building but daily driving it. 🤙

I have a 91 non intercooled 12 valve with 420,000 miles and towing firewood, dirt, backhoe, etc.

I’d kill for a single cab second gen 12 valve

@thenewlife.pt2724

5 жыл бұрын

FutureRN_Corey _ is the 12v 5.9 the best ????!!! I have a 06 2500 5.7 hemi. And it has 160k miles. I plan on keeping the truck. But want to do a cummins swap. I dont know anything about these engines. But everyone says these engine will last till the end of the world. I seen lots of people say the 24v 1998-2002 5.9 I6, is the best engine ever created by mankind. I want something with powerrrrr. Nothing to crazy. But I do want something built like DCF DIESELS Create engines. Can anyone help me or give me advice. Should I just stick to 6.7 V8 cummins. Or get the 24v that comes in 3rd gen 5.9 I6

@ConnorBuckley13

5 жыл бұрын

@@thenewlife.pt2724 The 6.7 cummins is still an inline 6, not a V8. But if i were to swap something into it, I'd prolly do a 12 valve 5.9 cummins.

@dieselram05

5 жыл бұрын

FutureRN_Corey _ I chopped mine in half, converted to short bed extra cab. All looks factory

@dillonh321

5 жыл бұрын

@@thenewlife.pt2724 12v is indestructible.

@Master_of_Games1776

5 жыл бұрын

The New Life. Pt2 the 6.7L Cummins is a I6, Cummins keeps their style!

What kind of tires are on the first gen and what size are they.. I when through all your vids and can't find any video on them.. love your channel I just bought my first cummins 2nd Gen for 1200.00 with 300,000 kms .. and I love those tires and this channel

Do you know where I can find extended power mirrors for myb1996 12 v. Thanks

Thanks for the run down on the trucks.

How come the 4th gen bumoer fits good with the grill bc on most theres a big gap

Why I like the 12V: reliability, and simplicity

I got my first gen for 4K a few years ago, no rust in CA, but it was 2wd. I daily drive mine on the farm and to college, it’s at 350k now and purring like a kitten. I did have to get the ve pump rebuilt, low sulfur fuel sucks. I think the transmission is better on first gens, the 518 is just a 727 with OD, same tranny used for decades by Chrysler in cars/trucks. My ‘69 Roadrunner actually has the same transmission as my truck, so it makes buying filters easier lol.

Found my 93 5 speed for 4k.... Not that hard just gotta look in the right places, also it only has 127k miles

What’s your dad do for a living🤔 I want that same job so I can have like 5 diesel trucks lying around😂.

@draco2202

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know what his dad does but I know I’m a welder by trade and have 2 diesels(1990 f350 7.3idi, and a newly purchased 1993 d250. Cummins 5.9) and 3 gassers (1994 Honda Accord ex, 2002 Ford Explorer, and a 1980 c10 250 I6)

Regarding your loose steering wheel. Can I suggest a steering shock

just bought my first. 93 5 speed club cab. i live in SoCal desert so no rust whatsoever, still has stock exhaust with no leaks. 166k miles one owner for $7000

I have a 1993 first generation dodge. It's loud and not the smoothest truck but I still love it, it's got style.

My first gen Dually Cummins is got 750,000 solid hard-working miles on it I still pull a 40-foot 20000 lb camper into the Smokies to Talladega every year

@jamesnm21

5 жыл бұрын

Wayne Burks what kind of maintenance do you do?

@thenewlife.pt2724

5 жыл бұрын

I have a 06 2500 5.7 hemi. And it has 160k miles. I plan on keeping the truck. But want to do a cummins swap. I dont know anything about these engines. But everyone says these engine will last till the end of the world. I seen lots of people say the 24v 1998-2002 5.9 I6, is the best engine ever created by mankind. I want something with powerrrrr. Nothing to crazy. But I do want something built like DCF DIESELS Create engines. Can anyone help me or give me advice. Should I just stick to 6.7 V8 cummins. Or get the 24v that comes in 3rd gen 5.9 I6

@jamesnm21

5 жыл бұрын

@@thenewlife.pt2724 get a 12 valve if you can. They are 100% mechanical, (that's right, NO electrical ANYTHING on them) very easy to work on and you can make 1000hp out of it if you want. The 24v is great as well and has more hp stock, but the 12v will be the most fun to work on. My 2 cents.

@sethhays5525

5 жыл бұрын

Join the cummins high mile club

@butwere3-0wou

4 жыл бұрын

The New Life. Pt2 I don’t think Cummins makes a 6.7L V8. I think you’re thinking of the 6.7L I6. You probably meant that just you typed the wrong thing lol

Is that a 4th gen bumper on the 2nd gen

474,000 miles on my 1996 RAM 2500 4x4

@dieselram05

5 жыл бұрын

josekma1 427,000 on my 1994 2500 Cummins

@thatgraysuburban

4 жыл бұрын

I have 729,538 kilometres on my 1996 ram 3500

@thereznormxguysofficial4070

4 жыл бұрын

Same buddy

@deronroberts3094

4 жыл бұрын

And this is why I want a 12valve lol

@Christian-jo4rh

3 жыл бұрын

Show off

Did the 1st gen come with a turbo from the factory?

A 4X4 should always have manual locking hubs....always. Unless of course you don't want to screw-up your nail polish.

@Mr.Ut21

5 жыл бұрын

Ever heard of lockers?

I got my eyes on a 93 d250 with 147m for 5k worth buying?

So can you tell me besides a daily driver which do you think has the better towing and handeling when pulling trailers with small equipment like a mini excavator?

@jamesnm21

5 жыл бұрын

Cole Fernandez don't mind me but I would assume the newer truck. I've also seen it said that if you're building a towing truck and have both options to go with the 2nd gen.

I picked up a 91.5 first gen regular cab 4wd with a 5 speed for 3500$ but by the time I could drive it because of steering issues I had 5500$ into it but I would never sell it first gens are amazing

So your dads first diesel is newer than yours. Did he.have a few gassers?

I recently got a cummins 2nd gen 5.9 24v 5spd. Almost 350k miles barely broke in lol, and coming close to 400k on the 98 2500, v8 magnum runs like a dream

My first diesel was a 84 f250 with a 6.9 idi that my grandpa gave me and it's how I learned how diesels work. I still have it with 300,000 on it. Like you said you can't kill those fords.

@JoseGonzalez-uw8nu

6 жыл бұрын

Justin Stewart nice. I bought an 84 Ford F350 with the 6.9 idi. I got it for $1300 and it has a gears vendor OD and a Banks Turbo.

@liamlogan9522

5 жыл бұрын

I just got a 84 Ford F-250 6.9 for 800$

98 12 valve. Or 97 powerstroke

What would you recommend for towing horses?

Huh?! Love the first Gen body.

are there any suv's made after these trucks?

L N' P, is your only vehicle your Cummins or do you own anything else? Great vid man!!

I have a '97 2500 (~300 hp, S&B Air Intake, 4" open pipe, 5-speed, 22 mpg, 510K miles on the untouched engine, still original injectors, clean oil for about 1K miles after an oil change) and the only additional Ram I'd purchase would have to have the P 7100 Bosch pump for sure.

Love the current content as-is but any chance you'll get into 3rd gens in the future?

Would u sell that 1st Gen Cummins?

There has to be at least 600,000 miles on my 92 Cummins dually. Can only guess because the odometer stopped ticking about 16 - 17 years ago.

What’s done to the 2nd gen under the hood?

320,000 miles on my 5-speed '95 Ext Cab 4x4 3.55 gears. Truck has been like an anvil, she just doesn't break and still gets 19-24 mpg non-towing.

@wesscarey4475

2 жыл бұрын

My 93 4+4 extra cab dually automatic gets around 24 mpg at 60 mph on level ground. Hard to beat the 5.9 !!!!!!!

Went an got a 96 12valve with a nv4500 for my first diesel truck, wouldn’t want any other truck, can’t beat the sound of em

Don't care first gen or earlier year second gen as long as it's got the 12 valve. Had a 93 12valve that I pulled a tri axle 9900lb trailer daily for 3 years straight with 450km and it drove as smooth as a caddy

Did you put a newer Dodge front bumper?!

My first diesel is an 05 cummins with 225,500+ miles and still rockin!

So whish one do I buy?

Considering getting an 02 2500...I drive about 2 hours a day in the mountains. It'll also be my first diesel. Do you think it'll be reliable enough to drive daily? Or should I look for a higher mile 6.7?

@dieselram05

5 жыл бұрын

Kalvin Cruz get a 12 valve second gen.

@bigbossman5969

5 жыл бұрын

im shure they make updated parts u just have to look for them

@johnlong384

Жыл бұрын

I'd look for an older one and wouldn't touch a 6.7 with a broom stick!

How much did y'all buy the 1st gen for?

@LOUDNPROUD

7 жыл бұрын

$15k

@angelislas5001

6 жыл бұрын

To much

@Zaa-up4hg

5 жыл бұрын

LOUD 'N' PROUD I got lucky got mine for 9k

I had a 1989 W250 with an auto. The engine was simple and bulletproof. That was the good. Here's the bad: The truck itself lacked power stock and the auto had only 3 speeds and a slippy torque converter. I sold it and bought a 3rd gen crew cab common rail 5.9 which is not as simple as the 12 valve but I like it much better. The earliest Cummins pickups had a rotary VE pump and no intercooler. Would take a lot of modding to get power to the wheels and the build quality of the truck itself didn't impress me. Even in Cali it rusted. 1992 through 1997 were better years. My 1989 foot to the floor could barely reach 70mph unloaded.

@wesscarey4475

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, HATE the 4 speed auto in my 93. Can't tow much with it. Manual trans, slight power bump, 3200 governor springs and the truck will be MUCH better!

How many times do you need to repeat yourself. Could have finished it in 30 seconds.

I am on the hunt for either a first or second gen cummins.

any tips on where to find 1st gens still for sale? been looking for awhile seems like you cant find them unless you want to spend 18k+ on a mint truck.

@ronskancke1489

Жыл бұрын

If I had a mint first gen truck I wouldn't sell it for 18000. New truck is 65000 or more.

First car was 06 corolla, then 2000 f150 now i have a 95 12 valve

Even though I'm still at least 5 years from upgrading to a diesel truck I'm already planning ahead some and I was thinkin a 1997 7.3 but then I realized the power difference between that truck and a 6.0 and right now I'm thinkin either a 2006 or 2007 6.0 but if I can find a good 97 for a good price, that's gonna be worth a lot more in the future. And same with the 6.0 but it will definitely take longer to become worth more

You didn't go over which one has more electrical issues

What’s the best year to get as far as purchasing a second generation cummins ?

@justinmartin8887

3 жыл бұрын

97

What year does the first gen end? First gen looks better, second gen has better mechanical stuff* *Emmisions notwithstanding

What would you do if you 98 was stolen?

Hi I'm in california and all 2nd Gens went up like crazy everyone want's one. You can find one for 10,000 and most likely beater. And if you want a garage kept one with low miles are around 27,000

I have been a Cummins Diesel fan since 1988 When they came out with the 89 model year. I bought my first 1st Gen in 92, it was a single cab 2wd 91.5 Auto. I traded it in for the 93 Black Sheep in 94 which I still have. I beat the crap out of it as a daily driver using it as what it was built for (WORK). As we have relocated to Wyoming, I left my little work truck 97 Ford Ranger back in Utah for now, I am back to using the Black Sheep as a daily driver again, until I get another truck or my Ranger in WY. 1st Gens can reach about 500HP with the VE Pump while the 2nd Gen (12v) can get about twice that if not more with the P-Pump, just incase some folks are looking for more power. However you are right about being able to work on them, the 1st gen is a lot easier. I love both of them myself as I bought my wife a 95 auto for better driving in the snow. I also like the old 6.2 GM's and OBS 7.3's Yes I like the old square bodies best. Keep it up young man.

@thenewlife.pt2724

5 жыл бұрын

The Blue Collar Preacher I have a 06 2500 5.7 hemi. And it has 160k miles. I plan on keeping the truck. But want to do a cummins swap. I dont know anything about these engines. But everyone says these engine will last till the end of the world. I seen lots of people say the 24v 1998-2002 5.9 I6, is the best engine ever created by mankind. I want something with powerrrrr. Nothing to crazy. But I do want something built like DCF DIESELS Create engines. Can anyone help me or give me advice. Should I just stick to 6.7 V8 cummins. Or get the 24v that comes in 3rd gen 5.9 I6

I hope you don't take this the wrong way I have a 93 Dodge similar the ones on the white one mine rides like a Cadillac I did a lot of modifications to the suspension and that's what I've been driving for the past 4 years I have owned first gen's for the past 10 years and I love them

@BUDDYSNORES

6 жыл бұрын

Could you please explain some of what you did to get the ride better. I have back problems but love mine.

@jamesnm21

5 жыл бұрын

I'll second that. Would be great if you could share what you did.

One of my biggest mistake in life I partially trade my '93 1st Gen for an '02 2nd Gen that I have now. If I have to re-do it, I would have kept both of them. The prices on 1st Gen just keeping going up and up.

@johnlong384

Жыл бұрын

Sorry that you got the much more computerized Ram with a crappy E-Pump now - good luck!

Those trucks would be even cooler if they had red interior just because it's hard to find and just really old school

@kelsenterry701

4 жыл бұрын

I got one on my 1995 2500

Under 8k still which?

Ever since I started watching your Chanel I've fallen in love with the second gens. Do you know what size wheels and tires the 1st gen has?

@LOUDNPROUD

7 жыл бұрын

Jacob Royster 315/75r16

Awesome video brother! Good explanation! I think best truck would be either 12v or 24v 2nd gen.. much cheaper then any of the common rails. Buy it from the SOUTH! Lol 😂

@johnlong384

Жыл бұрын

Guten Abend Herr Koch!

Yo lemme have that 1st gen 😂😂

I have a 06 2500 5.7 hemi. And it has 160k miles. I plan on keeping the truck. But want to do a cummins swap. I dont know anything about these engines. But everyone says these engine will last till the end of the world. I seen lots of people say the 24v 1998-2002 5.9 I6, is the best engine ever created by mankind. I want something with powerrrrr. Nothing to crazy. But I do want something built like DCF DIESELS Create engines. Can anyone help me or give me advice. Should I just stick to 6.7 V8 cummins. Or get the 24v that comes in 3rd gen 5.9 I6

@johnlong384

Жыл бұрын

They have lied to you about the 24 valve!

How many miles does your 2nd gen have?

@braydena9646

7 жыл бұрын

Eduardo Mijangos could be wrong but I think it has 200-225k miles

Why would you compare two trucks and only open one hood?

I'm 16 and looking for a first truck and I'm thinking of about getting a 2 gen but the 95 f250 is a little cheaper but I definitely want a 2 gen in the future

@braydena9646

7 жыл бұрын

Nick Bartoli would love an OBS 7.3 powerstroke 😍 and I'm a Cummins guy all the way

@tracefuqua3651

7 жыл бұрын

Those OBS trucks are getting harder and harder to find in good shape and at a reasonable price, just like the 1st and 2nd gen dodges. The OBS's are fairly easy to work on especially compared to the 99-03 trucks. Only bad thing about those trucks is they don't have 6 speeds or intercoolers.

@Xelent753

7 жыл бұрын

Trace Fuqua They did put the Zf6 6 speed in an OBS, But its an extremely rare find.

@tracefuqua3651

7 жыл бұрын

I wasn't aware of that, I've sure never seen one or ever heard about one with a 6 speed. I'm guessing they started that at the end of 97 because as far as I know chevrolet didn't start putting the zf6 in their truck untill the LB7 came along in 01, and dodge was usin the NV5600.

Have a 1st gen but I dont want to mod it. It's a classic and want to keep it original. I'd like a 2nd just to fuck around with.

After watching this video about 2 years ago I finally got me a 97 12 valve 4 door extended cab 5 speed 4x4 my dream truck

@johnlong384

Жыл бұрын

They didn't have 4-doors in '97!

I just got a welding bed on my 95 2500

I have a 92 Cummins for 18 years now. Tremendous engine. Rough ride! Very poor hookup from steering shaft to steering box. If I could find someone to modify that shaft with a u joint it would be a massive improvement.

I thought this was going to be about comparing different Cummins 5.9's. Not about comparing different Dodge trucks. Maybe the title confused me.

@bbruuse

4 жыл бұрын

same here, lookin at 3 different ones coming up tomorrow at Salvage. Do to it being a silent bid, High Bidder Wins, I was hopin for more info...but all n in all "Very Entertaining Vid.... But please go easy on the repeating "Like" said that already..Hah Hah Hah

Any idea why my 1998 Cummins rides worse than any first gen I've ridden in? 😂 I have A leveling spacer and airbags in the rear for aftermarket suspension mods.

@tracefuqua3651

7 жыл бұрын

Leveling spacers on the front typically stiffen the ride some. And if you're running too much pressure in your bags then that can produce a rough, bouncy ride as well. The 94-02 dodges are lacking to say the least in the ride quality department, but this was during a time before the "Luxury car with a bed" trucks of today.

@braydena9646

7 жыл бұрын

Trace Fuqua hey thanks! And ya I thought about leveling could but for the rear I only ever run 0-20 psi in the bags

@tracefuqua3651

7 жыл бұрын

That pressure range seems a little low to me, but if that's what the manufacturer calls for then I guess that's best. Running the bags to low can cause excessive compression over bumps and during hard deceleration, and side to side shimmy over uneven terrain.

@Natedoc808

6 жыл бұрын

Not sure what kind of bags you have, but on both of our Gen 2s one Airlift and one Hellwig the bags are never to be below 10psi per both manufacturers unless the truck frame is supported as damage can occur to the bags. I'd be curious if you're running a high end shock absorber (bilsteins are the shit) or if you're bouncing on the springs only in the front and that coupled with the leveling spacers and low pressure bags are just rattling your teeth loose! lol. both of our Gen 2s ride quite nicely on highway and on rough terrain you are gonna feel it with solid axles.

Cool video 😎

First gens are good for engine access, but front suspensions are inferior to later designs.

80,000 km on a diesel is nothing. I’d love to have any one of those trucks.

Debating between trading my paid off car for a nicer Cummins daily driver or getting something cheaper as a project and keeping the car

Riley and Jonesy called, they want their shirt back.

I appreciate you all watching! LOTS MORE CONTENT ALREADY MADE AND BEING MADE! 🤘😎🔥💯 stay tuned! *#LoudNProudFam* 💪🏽 (Please understand there's no right or wrong option and I'm not some expert... these are just my views on the topic.)

2001 4x4 x-cab cummins & 1993 4x4 reg.cab dually cummins. All day any given day i choose my 1993.

what kind of front bumper on that 2nd gen?

@hunterbaas8850

4 жыл бұрын

3 gen ram bumper maybe 2010 to 2016 or 17

How much did u get the 2nd Gen for

@loganshort1324

7 жыл бұрын

He paid 11 something for it.

@LOUDNPROUD

7 жыл бұрын

Skyler Abma $9.5k and another like $4k+ for what I've don't to it

I'm a ford guy but I WILL NOT a Powerstroke. A few years, four of went on a halibut fishing trip outside of Victoria in Canada. A mile outside of the camp ground that Sunday heading home, my friend's F250 with a Powerstroke broke down. Our fishing trip became very very expensive after that. The truck had to be towed in a flatbed to Victoria. The high voltage that ran the injectors fried and it cost $400 to buy a new from a dealer in Victoria. We found only one at a wrecking yard in Portland, Oregon for $100. I fixed the truck but really hate the HEUI fuel system in the International Harvester motor. I owned a 93 First Gen with a 12V valve and I'm really sorry I part trade on an 02 Second Gen with a 24V I own now. I would kept both in hind sight. The straight six is really easy to work on. I wouldn't touch a Powerstroke or a Duramax for nothing.

I effectively grew up in a second gen Dodge Cummins lol

yeah I think you're right

Chevy came out with the rounded body style in 87 or 88 I'm pretty sure it was 1987

@braydena9646

7 жыл бұрын

Robert Rasnake that's still considered very square. Not a squarebody but wayyyyyyyyy more square than a 94-02 dodge

@brianscott3021

6 жыл бұрын

It was 88 for 1500 and 89 for 2500 and 3500 but still not as rounded

I got a first gen 93 Cummins 4x4 5 speed flat bed for 6000

@bradenpeiser9317

4 жыл бұрын

How many miles?

I got my first diesel a few months ago i have a 2008 6.4 and it is a nightmare it breaks all the time nothing huge just annoying i really wanna get rid of it and get something else but i love the cummins engine but hate dodge as a brand ive always been a chevy guy but ford isnt looking too promising to me i am 18 years old and having to constantly fix things hurts my wallet i want a diesel truck that will last forever and wont break all the time

@jamesnm21

5 жыл бұрын

Stuuubbs 77 put a cummins in your Chevy. Ford guys do it too.

Holy grail. 98 12v quad cab 5sp.GOAT PERIOD

I would love to get a 1gen right now i have a 77 chevy silverado as a daily that rides like a bull

@LOUDNPROUD

7 жыл бұрын

Jake Bow3n that's still sweet man

@williamsinger4124

7 жыл бұрын

Jake Bow3n you already have a great platform, maybe swap a 12V Cummins into the 77?

@jake_bowen_12v4

7 жыл бұрын

William Singer maybe in the future

@williamsinger4124

7 жыл бұрын

Jake Bow3n can't argue with that. My view is, if the truck is in good shape, a Cummins swap will be cheaper than another truck, n it'll ensure that you drive it longer. Diesel last longer than gas engines.

@braydena9646

7 жыл бұрын

Jake Bow3n a first or 2nd gen will ride more like a bull than your chev I promise 😂 and that's coming from a Cummins guy 😂

I usually prefer square body trucks, but the 2nd gen is the best non-square body truck hands down.

My 91.5 Dodge has a cupholder it consist of a roll of gorilla tape on the seat set your cup right in the middle set it up against the seat and away we go hey dude I like your videos you’re a cool guy we need more good young guys like you and the sport or business whatever you wanna say and you’re all right good clean-cut guy thank you for doing my name is Jim mungai I’m from Pennsylvania and both of those trucks you have here in this video or a very nice all right we’ll catch later

New sub.

Really what you're trying to say is it comes down to do you want a smooth ride and more user-friendly cockpit and how well do you want it to handle going down the road cuz when it comes to an old trick you can guarantee if you drive for long period of time you're going to get a much sore ass then you would in a newer truck I personally like the older trucks just because they ride like an 18-wheeler and it gives you that 18-wheeler feel a new truck gas burner diesel you can't really feel the difference unless that's what you're going for and then by all means a newer truck is right up your alley but like I said that's my personal opinion and opinions are like assholes everybody's got one and in my opinion if you get one of those old tricks it's a sin to have an automatic because it's an old trick your supposed to feel like it's old school have a stick

Got my kids 96 12v ext with norstar flat for $3k!! And I’ve got a line on a 93 1st gen ext 2wd dually. $4500!!!

I'll take them both lol