I am building an 8 by 12 wood fired sauna. Even though I will have a vapor barrier I justed ordered metal roofing with dripstop. For the price I think it makes sense. I hope a good vapor barrier, good venting and dripstop will prevent condensation issues. I am glad that I saw this video.

@JCcanU

4 жыл бұрын

Robert Lane , I would use 3/8 plywood and 15# felt than steel , you do not want anything like foam board over head celtec bubble wrap anything that can melt in case of a fire . I just did a pole barn using 1/2 inch plywood and 30# tar paper they use gas torch a lot and work with flammable products.

With Ryan's kzread.infoUgkxy_pn55PK60wAV3X_C_RoLS_67mNonoCE plan, I was like one taken by the hand and led step by step from start to finish. Thank you very much Ryan!

over here in ireland we get roof sheets with 4 inch rigid foam insulation bonded to the underside, and always use felt under the steel, because its a wet climate its essential

@davidoleary2452

4 жыл бұрын

id like to see a price comparison steel frame with kingspan sheeting vs all timber and insulated

In my experience with a northern midwest climate, metal roofs will sweat regardless of the ventilation. With enough ventilation, an occasional sweat may not ruin your home, but it will happen. The only way to prevent it entirely (that I know of) is solid sheathing directly under the metal. OSB, felt, metal, with no air gap.

You should use a tape like decking tape on the top of any timber where it is in contact with the drip stop fabric. This won’t alter any condensation build up but will prevent it from being wicked away into the timber and the timber becoming wet.

@thegreatwhitenorth8754

2 жыл бұрын

I believe what you are talking about is called "Blue skin"

@hogwatch5202

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegreatwhitenorth8754 blueskin butyl flash Or an equivalent self sealing tape.

Boy are you an answer to prayer 🙏 thanks, been looking for a solution to this problem!

They make and sell that type of felt lined roofing steel here in Woodburn, Indiana. Great product and worth the investment!

I had an Amish company build my "residential pole structure", they call that type of steel "Roof Wrap". It has been through two winters and a summer and I have had no moisture issues, good stuff.

I knew of that product, where I am at it is mostly used in buildings where there is a higher then normal moisture load, either a dirt floor, or animals.

Love this product idea. Where I am in the GTA, Ontario. We use different application but she goe's from -30°C (-22°F) "or less" to +40°C (104°F) "or more" have never hade a leak but like the idea. Makes sence

Thanks so much for sharing this Dude. Was never sure whether those wet streaks on timber was condensation or leaks!

Seems like the moisture in the felt product.... would begin molding?

In Russia, they put a 50 mm counter-lattice. Raft-membrane-a 50x50mm bar is stuffed on top of the rafters on top of the membrane-then across the board 25mmx100-150 mm and only then a metal sheet, so that due to the 50mm gap, the roof ventilation is provided and the condensate dries. Hello from Russia.

Okay Dude we have talked before. Like your detail and timeline. Yet we discussed a few weeks back about a proper vapor barrier. If you tape the joints you will never have concern about condensation. The amount of time you take with story boards and squaring your buildings (which I may add I respect), taping your vapor barrier will have the same effect.

@RRBuildings

5 жыл бұрын

this is not due to vapor from the condition space alone... and I agree with you. this product is for those sheds with zero ceiling or insulation...you get those cold slabs in the spring and the sun hits the steel roof and you get the drip on the concrete. This will prevent that

@dsfs17987

5 жыл бұрын

@Doug Neufeld not quite right, that condensation on the metal is due to temperature difference in the attic vs the outside of the steel which is directly exposed to fresh cold air, the air even in a fully vented attic is always a tiny bit warmer than outside, this makes vapor from the fresh air condensate on the underside of the steel here in the old world we use something similar to a house wrap, it is a plastic/fiberglassy sort of type film that has the underside of it covered with this felt type material, if anything drips from the steel on to the glossy top side of the film, it either rolls down, or if passes through, stays on the underside of the film till dries out, there is a vented air gap between the steel and top of the film, and a 2" vented gap under the film, only then the insulation is placed, which is the usual setup - the wind barrier, then the insulation (no less than 6" of rock/fiberglass, some even go up to 16"), then vapor barrier, then the inside paneling, if the house is going to be air conditioned, then there is some 2"-3" insulation between the vapor barrier and inside paneling (sheet rock/drywall) to stop vapor from condensing from the outside on the cool inside wall

@pierredemare609

5 жыл бұрын

@@dsfs17987 Great comment! Good points. So, venting is key. But what if there is no wind? How about a fan in the attic for those days? My situation is a bit different. I am in the Tropics. The seamless metal roof I am looking at can come with a foam like 5 mm plastic foam glued to the roof panel. I am afraid that the glue is going to peel off over time (as the heat hits the roof) and eventually delaminate. I will also put some kind of reflective barrier a few cm from the roof below to reduce heat inflow. That should help with evaporation, but not in the mornings so much. I am thinking venting is key. I am not 100% sure I can do a ridge vent. The last builder looked at me if I came from a different planet when I did ask, but the new one has more experience. I do have soffit and gable vents.

@dsfs17987

5 жыл бұрын

@@pierredemare609 I'm not sure about how it should be done in tropical zones, I live in a temperate region, so it is mostly warmer inside than outside, and properly built roofs work sort of like chimney, so there is no need for forced ventilation I'd guess you don't have much of a problem with this, any condensation will simply dry out once the heat kicks in during the day, best bet is go to your local city council, they should have a building department, and talk to people there, they should know best about local peculiarities

they also use that on the inside of camper shells, had one and it worked great when sleeping in them on the side of a mountain

I've never seen that stuff before. My building came from Menards, I could have bought their insulation which I believe has a plastic film with insulation inside for walls and roof. Only thing I didn't like about my building was the fact the contractor used ring shank nails instead of screws. My building was 30x54 10 feet. It was very cold in wintertime and I used a salamander while in there. I had 3 cars, a tractor and boat in their at different times. Wood working tools and lawn care stuff. My building here in Florida is 40x60 one side is enclosed with an upstairs but other part just has a roof an one side with metal. That building has seen better days. It has I beams through out. All electric is running through the concrete in pipe.

Super helpful idea. Intelligent Building Exteriors That's what we keep coming back for Kyle !! Thanks for sharing

I have a lady friend who has way more money than I ever will. ( Lawyer lady) She had a pole building barn built for her animals and supplies. The Amish built it and by the time I saw it completed, she and my buddy who was her man at the time, showed me all the condensation that actually rained down inside her barn in the cold season as she ran heaters inside and brought the " rainforest" type environment upon herself. They asked me how I would have done things and about insulating etc. I had 0 experience with metal and could only think there has to be an insulation solution that they will have to undergo AFTER the fact. I never did see their solution. This Drip Stop seems lkike that would have been exactly what she needed. BEFORE getting the roof metal installed.

@MrBmill25

2 жыл бұрын

Did she ever find a solution cause I have the exact same issue?

@mlasch1478

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrBmill25 I am not sure but can see if she can answer if I give her a call. I will try to get the answer. It will help me in the future too.

@dethmaul

Жыл бұрын

​@@mlasch1478 Never heard from her? :(

@timgads1712

9 ай бұрын

She ghosting him…

@nighttrain022

9 ай бұрын

@@timgads1712 @nighttrain022 @mlasch1478, Nope, not ghosting, I just had some family emergencies that consumed my time virtually 24/7 due to my elderly dad landing in the hospital.

I used it on a party barn once. We only have foil bubble in our area. Looked very nice, scratches easily had to reorder a couple people pieces that arrived with a couple runners.

@RRBuildings

5 жыл бұрын

I've never had a scratch issue

Ventilation is NOT the answer that I can assure you all. I have extensive ventilation 8 x the recommended amount condensation persists. Yes it helps, but is NOT a cure for anyone who is wondering. Insulation would be the best option and sealing of any run off entry points and similar. Good luck. Nice video 👍

@thomassears4920

Жыл бұрын

Everything metal outside gets wet at night during the summer where I'm at. So yes obviously it doesn't solve all problems

Just wondering if there is a reason you screwed the ribs on the roof for this building? That seems to be the norm here but I thought you always screwed the roof in the valleys of your steel

@RRBuildings

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry I should have explained. This was another builder package and the spec called out rib screws....not by my choice

@markharvey18

5 жыл бұрын

Come on Cody, don't going trying to start an insy or outsy debate, all roofs are special for a reason.

@kamurray67

5 жыл бұрын

Mark Harvey come on it is obvious you aren't Paul, he wanted to know the rest of the story.

@markcnc

5 жыл бұрын

@@RRBuildings I would think with this product on the underside of the roofing material, screws through the flat portion of the roof would crush the product thereby rendering less the spec.

Thank you, for this video. On a light rainy day i noticed water dripping down facia and inside facia. Traced to rainwater wicking up along this anti condensation material prefitted to roof. Could not find an answer until viewed this video. First dry day i will be trying this out. Only answer available .DS

Cool product. Nicely explained. Maybe I should have this under my kitchen sink. As always, a BIG 👍 from me.

@joeschlotthauer840

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, now that's a good idea, for a leak or something spilled that you don't discover until months later...

@abbycottontail

5 жыл бұрын

Are you thinking of something like "Kitchen Sink Sound Dampening Kit" ? It's a thing

@alexgao8090

5 жыл бұрын

I think it's possible

Does it mold at all from witholding condensation??

Hey man, thank you for sharing, all good information, building a roof for our hot tub, I think the product your talking about is just what I'm looking for. Thanks again for 👍

You can purchase the overhang part without the fleece , i use the fleeced metal only cause of the sound reduction . The fleece starts growing mould cause its always moistened without proper ventilation , I usualy run a higher substructure over the tyvek or whatever you would use on your roofs .

It seems like the overhang moisture would evaporate in due time just like any moisture in the attic does. I’m just wondering how necessary it is to burn the overhang. Is that part of the manufacturer’s recommendation?

Spray foamed mine with a thin layer and have no water issues, also don't go deaf anymore when it rains.

@whirled_peas

4 жыл бұрын

Did you do that yourself, with a kit?

I follow on IG but failed to come watch the youtube videos, stumbled up on this video because we are putting road barrier as a roof, it's pretty crazy, and I notice condensation the other day and I don't think my boss or arquitec are aware of that problem

What was your thoughts on the Walters materials and design overall? I am considering using them to supply the materials when I build a pole barn next year.

@RRBuildings

5 жыл бұрын

not my favorite overall...but then again I am partial...I like some of their trim details and dislike others. I like the 1' rib profile on the steel panel

@mattwerner7235

5 жыл бұрын

Any recommendations for guys like you in southern Wisconsin? 45 x 80 with 12' lean to's on either side. Insulated with interior. Thanks!

We built a 50x120 a few years back and they opted to go against my better judgement and not put any of the drop stop or any synthetic tar paper. Which I was glad because that just adds so much labor. But the whole inside was insulated very well and then steeled with white. He installed a waste oil burner and it must have been because of excess moisture in the air from the burner but it dropped so much from the roof that it soaked the insulation and dropped through the ceiling panels. Even with all ventilated soffit and ridge cap

Have you ever gone back years later and inspected any of your builds to see how well some of these processes/materials work out over time? If so, can you share some of the things you've found that didn't work as you expected? Any that worked better than you thought it would? As always, thanks for the videos!

@alexgao8090

5 жыл бұрын

Tearstop could offer 20 years warranty.

What would you use on a Existing roof..

I've used this product a couple of times saved a lot labor like you said. But mostly I use bubble wrap rolls since my normal metal supplier doesn't offer it

If this stuff works, I'm buying!

Very interesting product. Will definitely be looking into this. Thanks for sharing

I have to 12x24 Amish built sheds with an open designed metal roof (only purlins, no OSB). Could I apply this to the existing roof?

Thanks for passing on the knowledge Kyle. Appreciate you and your channel. Always love tuning in and seeing what’s next to learn from y’all. Thanks Kyle.

I know your focus is not quonset huts, but I have a new quonset hut that needs insulation and I value your opinion. The building is 40x56 and will be eventually be broken up into usable spaces with one being a wood shop. For the overall structure, would you go with closed cell spray foam, or look at something else to help regulate the temperature and keep condensation problems to a minimum? I live in southern Kentucky and we are a pretty wet climate.

@teresagrigsby-rose8761

3 жыл бұрын

Good luck. Lemme know what you end up going with and how it turns out

Have you ever solved the problem of a post and frame pole barn with a shingled roof with no overhang/eaves on the sides?

Your video is awesome and I watched your channel, it was so beautiful

My car port had clear polycarbonate on it and it was always condensing on to my car roof even with it open at all ends. I installed profile roofing and the company asked if I wanted anti condensation coating which I took at an extra 40 pence per linear metre. Best ever thing I did. Over a year now and not a drip. And if you have a screw that is causing a leak it is instantly recognised as the felt coating turns dark and easy to remedy.

@czondag

5 жыл бұрын

If you use polycarbonate sheets, mount them double with 5 or 10mm foam blocks in between... problem solved.

@jesperdahl1486

5 жыл бұрын

@@czondag Or use double panels, made for green houses.

Hello! I have a gazebo with a metal roof, and I want to put a wooden ceiling underneath. The problem is that in the morning condensation forms under the sheet metal. Will installing glass wool or styrofoam between the sheet metal roof and the wood ceiling fix the problem?

We have a borkholder building and for some reason the osb under the roof down towards the eave is starting to turn black from water and the building is only 12 years old... pretty sad

Great video with an awesome tip.

Ask your Steel supplier for a cutback on the drip stop. In the UK, we usually ask for a 75mm (3") cutback at the eaves...Cut out an extra step that you mentioned... also means you don't need to take a blow torch to a timber post building..!

I have a little work shop I mainly use to park lawn mower and garden tiller in . I have supper bad condensation on the metal roof.if I put silicone roof coating on it and spray inside with truck bed liner would it help there is no ceiling?

Couldn't the steel manufacturer leave the 'drip-stop' off the lower 2 inches (overhang) ?

is that spray available as stand-alone? I wonder if that would be a solution for metal ceiling. I'm converting a school bus and have condensation. Running a propane currently switching to wood burning stove as people tell me that the LP cause the condensation

@isreal111982

5 жыл бұрын

I am a rollformer, and yes, we will sell this product by the foot. approximately $1 per foot. It is 40 inches wide and it has a plastic backing to prevent it from sticking on itself. Look up Rush River Steel.

@raybrensike42

4 жыл бұрын

I would recommend a diesel heater. I really like mine, and it adds no moisture. If anything, it would dry out the air.

@terrycarlin2443

3 жыл бұрын

We always had to crack open some windows for ventilation being that type of heat take all oxygen out of air and condensates

What I learned from this video....there are steel roofs which are fixed by bolts thru the ribs. @4:18 and forward, you can see them. Also later in de video, you see them from the outside. 👍 😁

@kadmow

4 жыл бұрын

In Australia (at least) all (well pretty much "all") "corrugated" (including custom orb and trimdek types and similar variants by other manufacturers -- cliplok and standing seam - types have either absent or hidden fasteners) metal roofs are fastened through the "ribs"/ridges not the "pans"/valleys/troughs - it greatly reduces leaks - for when washers weather / perish, or if the screw is placed a little "askew" (dodgy install) - All our metal suppliers direct to only fasten in valleys / pans for walls, never (verify) for roofs.

Excellent description of the drip stop material, thanks for the info. Was looking into condensation in out buildings and now realise I can’t avoid it in an enclosed small single garage space, just gotta try to lessen the effects. Just had a NEW steel sheet, plastisol coated, garage roof with drip stop. I’m sure the drip stop is doing it’s thing but the same night after the installation, we had driving rain penetrating the foam fillet at the top end of the roof sheets, the water has tucked itself under the end of the sheet and is pooling down the INSIDE of the new roof................ totally RUBBISH finish by the contractors, so there you have it, I’m pissed to say the least. Anyway, I digress. Thanks again. I just wanted to vent my anger to a professional who knows their stuff

So I have a new building and the builders didn’t put anything on it to prevent condensation. Will this felt stop the condensation so I can insulate everything

Wouldn't having the moisture held right against the metal cause it to rust quicker? Seems like enclosing the attic space and blowing in insulation is a better idea...

Have you ever done a super insulated home in a cold climate with R value of the walls at least 50 and the ceiling of at least 90?

Kyle, what can be done if you have a pre-existing building that has a condensation problem?

@RRBuildings

5 жыл бұрын

spray foam or add a ceiling and insulation

Thanks again 👍 for the detail video

I stripped my roof with 1x4s directly under the metal. Will the 1x4s rot out quickly from this and cause my roof to not be secured and more susceptible to lift in high winds?

never heard of that... cool stuff !!

Is this necessary if the pole barn finished space is insulated and air sealed and the attic is well vented?

Learning on the client's dime!

I like these items reviews. Thank you.

What if you have blown foam insulation and it's cold out and warm inside

Wondering if you used the pre-formed steel roofing gasket strip on the top of the fascia?

@RRBuildings

5 жыл бұрын

Bob Haas bob I use them on every building package I construct. This was a Walters building and they don’t...

That stuff is fuzzy, the area over the purlins will not trap water because it creates a very small gap. ..like a wall system rainscreen

I used iT here on my carport and i love it !.

Every climate is different. Here in the humid South an exposed wood under the metal roof only lasts for a few years. I have had treated wood fail in 15. We find that climate controlled areas last the longest.

@GrandDudeBill

5 жыл бұрын

Michael VanGundy - what do you recommend to prevent condensation on a metal building used as a woodshop? Im in South Carolina. Thanks!

Can you spray foam against it or is it better to spray foam rate to the steel I'm looking at putting up a building no interior finish can spray foam Lucknow putting Tree in roof and walls

Thanks for this! I have been having water sucking into my garage thorough the fabric and running down the wall, I knew it was something to do with the fabric but couldn’t think how to stop it other than cutting it back 👍

How do you insulate after this? Spray?

I am a roll former that installs this drip-stop product near Henderson, MN. The critical part of this product is it needs time to evaporate. If you have a situation like a calf or milk cow loafing barn where it can potentially reach a point where condensation is developing a lot more then evaporation then you have a nightmare. It will start raining in your building and it wont stop. This product has it's place, but I personally don't recommend dripstop in animal confinement barns that don't have adequate air movement to evaporate the condensation. For every 25 customers there are 3 that are not happy with this product, because of this issue. In these situations where it doesn't evaporate on time, double bubble insulation tends to work a lot better.

@alexgao8090

5 жыл бұрын

try 200 gsm even 300 gsm felt.

How do you apply stuff to an existing roof? My house has a tin roof. It sweats a lot in the winter.

I have a school bus I’m Converting it has metal ribs and I’m going to insulate the ceiling what do I cover the metal ribs with thanks

Great videos I been watching and subscribed highly recommended to my friends , THIS IS METAL ROOF BUT ANY SUGGESTIONS IN ALUMINUM ROOf they unrolled one whole piece but the edges are too short & drips straight into the walls what can i do ?

Never seen it before but it makes sense

the felt should be able to absorb the water, diffusing it outward and the air around the felt will evaporate it back into the air, self regulating, as long as there is air that is dryer than the felt is wet. I think that is how it is supposed to work.

@czondag

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly

Instead of burning the felt . What about spraying it with chemset chemstick. I'm not sure of the name in america but it's the sealant you put over fibre board to stop it soaking up too much paint. That's water based and would soak in pretty well. Then go hard.

Any MOLD forming issues? If you use drip stop panels placed over fiberglass shingles will mold form??

Can this be used on your wall steel to keep condensation from getting into fiberglass bats??

Because of condensation, I've just replaced my metal garage roof with equivalent sheets but with the drip stop inside. Unfortunately my wooden beams are still wet and the one at the lowest point of the garage is dripping wet. I've checked the bolts and seals and they're all tight. Thanks for the tip on burning off the drip stop that overhands outside (by the gutter in my case).

hey my friend, in germany we have some kind of spray glue for it....so you dont have to strip or burn it off.

I was hunting for something about how to flash large round roof protrusions for a solar tube, videos I find so far look like disasters, if someone knows how to do it right it seems that it would be you. Thanks love your videos

Is this primary for uninsulated structures?

@RRBuildings

5 жыл бұрын

Chris Robey yes 100%

Kyle. I am currently putting up my first barn a 30X54X13 I plan on installing vented soffit and the ridge venting. will I need anything else. not going to finish the inside right now. but I plan too later. Thanks

Good stuff thank you 🙏

I've got a problem......I already have one of the metal carports in my back yard that I have closed in and put a drop ceiling in as a backyard theater. I'm now getting water damage tiles. What can I do?

@barbturner1414

5 жыл бұрын

We are having the same problem, did you get it solved?

@Find_your_piece

5 жыл бұрын

Barb Turner I put insulation in my drop ceiling and put a vent on each end and it seems to be working

Now that is an interesting truss/purlin design. Thoughts?

If you have a loft and it's insulation in between do you still need to insulate under the metal on the roof?

Can you install in attic after roof is already installed? Can it be installed between joist spaces?

Hi bro, I like your channel I learned a lot from here, do you have any way of installing structures for the hidden gutter? for a modern home such as a modern farmhouse.

Love your vids.

The place we bought built in the carport and the inside is spray foamed and the condensation makes it leak all the time. On all the furniture. What you think we could use drip stop on the outside on the roof? or is there anything you recommend?

I have always used shingles on houses. I have recently bought 17 acres for me and my wife. I built a very small home 12'×16' with a single pitch roof. 2x6 with 1x3" slats. I noticed when using the heater. Condinsaction started to acure pretty bad in places. I have R-13 but should I put Cell fome on it 1st? I would guess the 1" slats will alow outside air to go threw the vents. But by adding 1" fome bord then my R-13 should stop this. Or am i wrong? Please let me know we are on a budget now. Thank you and have a blessed day.

@billblackledge2679

8 ай бұрын

Mixing different types of insulation in the same wall or ceiling is usually not a good idea.

That felt Probably makes a roof more quiet during a rain

What's the name of material, I need that

Would you still use OSB under metal roof New York State?

Ouch! Maybe use a piece of scrap to protect the fascia from the torch flame!

What are the exact exterior dimensions of the 8'x6' shed? I'm seeing a lot of conflicting information, and need exact for a deck

How often do you build a roof deck prior to laying the metal roofing? I think the only time I have seen you do it was the Jimmy Diresta build.

In a building for animals or where it dusts a lot, you can have dust problems on the condensate guard. which later turns black mold, it does not look so nice after a few years.

@Box545x39

3 жыл бұрын

What solution is best in that case to keep condensation in check on the roof panels without risk of mold forming?

Drip stop is a great product we use it in are metal shop.