Here in Europe, you can get an original JBC for €189.26 + VAT, the JBC BT-2BWA, It is the analog-like station, with temperature knob and no display, (it is actually digital, and programmable with external console) , and identical performance to the CD station. It also takes the T210A iron (The Best doesn't), and likely it will last you decades (The Best I wouldn't bet on it) If you can spend €200, buying the original is a no brainer.

I have a ksger T12 and hot air station ... For hobby is more than enough! I love it!

@MCsCreations

3 жыл бұрын

Can you give me a link? 😬

10:23 - Deal-breaker, especially at this premium price.

@superiorbeing95

3 жыл бұрын

I use one of these all day every day, I use original JBC tips, they are marked with a line how deep they go in the handle. I've had no issues at all, way better station than the Pace it replaced.

Fantastic review, dude! 😃 I really loved how it looks... Too bad the security issue. 😕 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

Thx for the review. For somebody who obtained the genuine one just last week, it was fascinating. How similar it looks at the first sight. But then you start to notice dozens of details where the clone is just wrong... :) BTW: ESD Connection point (or "Equipotentional connection", how manual refers to it) is connected directly to main's ground (without any resistor). But more important difference is, that there is fuse between tip and ground in the genuine one. And this fuse is monitored (there is icon and waring message on LCD if you blow it).

@BryanTorok

2 жыл бұрын

So, the JBC does give one more engineering and safety over the clone unit. I'd wondered about one of the YTers who routinely puts a connection between the case of his KSGER stations and mains ground that is not provided by the factory. While it good to have ESD protection on the tip of the iron so as to not damage a chip when soldering. I would be worried about having a direct ground connection if one accidentally touched a live wire, or worse, got their body across a live wire to the grounded station. The idea of having a large value resistor instead of a wire would drain off static charges while limiting current flow in the case of a direct short.

For 300$ you can get a Made in the USA PACE ADS200 with 120W of Power. And I don't want to babysit the station everytime I change a tip. Great review!

@voltlog

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info!

@comprotudo

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Jonathon. I have a JBC. I decided for it instead PACE as I get a local promotion. My first decision was for the PACE but after seeing a review at EEVblog an have that promotion moved to the JVC. The PACE price in Europe is about 300 eur. Can see hear: www.welectron.com/PACE-ADS200-AccuDrive-Soldering-Station_1 The tips are a lot cheaper comparing JBC

@comprotudo

3 жыл бұрын

@@CliveChamberlain946 Yes. but as I get the local promotion and watched for some reviews I decided for the JBC. Also they are the only neighbors we have !(I´m Portuguese ah ah)

I would never buy a stolen intellectual property product ... and this should be persecuted by the autjorities since it is clear Industrial Theft. Fluke once did stop the import of some multimeters because they were clearly exactly the same as the Fluke lines at least on the outer box. There must be a limit for Theft ... And yes I've seen those copy-cat stations long ago and jabe is at least the main oem ...best just branded the station.

the T12 is fantastic for SMD prototyping, unbeatable for its prize of 40 EUR.

Way too expensive for a knock-off. Should be under $100 US. Didn't cost any more to make this than an FX-951 clone. And they use a fan to keep it from melting down! I wouldn't buy the POS! You're way better off with a KSGER. If you do production and need the performance of the JBC, you should buy the genuine article.

@ImranAli-rp4kd

3 жыл бұрын

To be honest that’s like saying way too expensive for a original jbc bcuz original jbc should be the same price as original Hakko fx951 bcuz both would cost the same to manufacture , but the jbc costs double the price , I’ve tried and tear down original and fake solder stations , the original ones there’s nothing expensive inside the soldering stations , all components are cheap and they have there own firmware and that’s what you paying for , the metcal stations are actually a bit different and more expensive to manufacture but they are still expensive , but the jbc knockoffs are ok and they should be cheaper but so should the original ones bcuz they only cost around £50 to manufacture but retail price is like 10 times the cost

@immanuelraynaldo717

3 жыл бұрын

can u tell me the difference between ksger and quicko? i found on aliex quicko is cheaper and the pcb looks better than ksger, but no one review quicko

@ImranAli-rp4kd

3 жыл бұрын

@@immanuelraynaldo717 they are both very similar , just use different handles and different boards

@immanuelraynaldo717

3 жыл бұрын

@@ImranAli-rp4kd Thanks!

Have a genuine JBC station and enjoy its europan design !

@regmigrant

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't trust the Best for the difference in price

@ofgjf

3 жыл бұрын

230$ is also way too expensive for a clone.

The potential safety issue with the handle was a super useful find even if accidental. I'd become neurotic with how I attach the tip if I would happen to have this station. Overall solid work reviewing as always. 👍

@voltlog

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's how I use it now. I need to be very careful every time o switch the tip. 😶

@ristomatti

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's time for a VoltLog™ fix?

@voltlog

3 жыл бұрын

A genuine JBC handle would be around 60 EUR so I still haven't decided if I should attempt to fix it or just get a genuine handle which would be a better idea long term? I'm told that the genuine handle just feels solid when you insert the tip and you feel it hits a solid wall and you know it's inserted all the way.

@voltlog

3 жыл бұрын

@@ristomatti I may have a genuine JBC station coming my way for a future review so I will wait until I get that to compare between the two and decide.

Thank you for the information, as always great review! The coupon code works perfect!

Excellent video ! Good work, sir, your subscribers can make purchase decisions with the confidence that they will be well protected from nasty surprises.

We use the JBC station at work. It’s awesome to work with. I want to upgrade my home station (which is currently a TS100). Might look into this.

The minimum temperature is used when the tip is on sleep mode I think. Thumbs down for the overheating part. The user should never be able to damage something that easily.

16:13 The KSGER is only set to 300 deg. while the best is set to 350, that will also give the JBC clone an advantage I think?

@the_perigoso

3 жыл бұрын

I noticed that too, but the irons don't even need to reach 300C this tests thermal transfer from the tip to the pad

@voltlog

3 жыл бұрын

True! Didn't even notice it while having my head stuck in the camera screen.

Thanks, good detailed review!

Thank you for the review 👍

Thanks for a great review as usual. I doubt that issue with tip / handle is your fault. This kind of situation just should not occur and I'm suspecting some design flaws. I would rather buy Pace 200 or cheap JBC from Welectron. Just wonder how good are these clone tips, compare to original?

@VoltLog I have two questions: Is the station compatible with a T115 handle (considering it has the right connector, like aixun has modifed it)? And do you know the Output Voltage(s) from the transformer?

Nice review - Here's my views on an ideal station, but first a point on maintaining tips and tools: Hot metal oxidize faster than cold. Burning and rusting metal often crumbles into small pieces and is destroyed. Fact!? Cleaning the tip after use removes any sacrificial metal/alloy that can be oxidized, leaving only the tip to oxidize. So, letting it sit burning hot (or at a slightly lower temperature for a while) and the tip goes black due to oxidation. You need to use tip-cleaner often and yet you get black spots on your tip(s) over time, making less contact with the pad and component - which makes you push harder when soldering, thus µfracturing the coating . End result: A new tip required often, as it is destroyed 'by usage'. Applying extra solder+flux to the tip before putting it back in the stand adds sacrificial metal which then oxidizes - leaving the tip itself untouched. An added bonus is when cooled down, the solder acts as a protecting cap against mechanical damage. After sitting idle and usage is required the solder is wiped away (I only use a moist spongue) and the tip is shining clean and ready to be used. Which do you prefer: Bad solder which is wiped away or a bad tip which needs replacing.... Try it (or think about it). I have a Metcal MX-500p with tips that are over 10 years old - and yes, the tips are used on a regular basis and work as if they are new. A light clean metal-metal touch is enough to transfer heat, and since I don't use them as a prodding, lifting and screwing tool - only to apply heat the coating is not cracked, scratched or damaged. That was my point. What I don't like about the station is that the iron holder is open on the back, which could damage items behind it if they come too close to the hot tip. If you do as I do (add solder to the tip after usage) you could get drops of solder behind the station as well, as there is nothing to collect those droplets - especially if you bump the iron placing it into the holder, or taking it out. The sleep function doesn't work too well imho, as the solder solidifies when in sleep as it drops to 150 - so you'd have to wait for it to heat up, before you can wipe it clean, or set it at a higher temperature. The station itself could use some re-designing, imho. Another issue: You're already seeing bad connections between the tips and the iron(handle). I doubt it will improve over time, it will more likely get worse - requiring a new handle, which has the same issue as you said: No clear stop or mechanism to let you know the tip is inserted correctly. The KSGER stations 'wins' imho, it is cheaper, no mods required and has tips that isn't 'sharp as a needle'. If you really want, you can mod it to have more power - but is there a need, besides a faster heat-up time. If there is, just the the control pcb and a bigger screen+psu - and bulid it into a box, and you have a better-than-best station :ø)

Lovely video and great review, as normal. If you can damage it by inserting the tip in too hard, then its not designed correctly. Its not the users fault, its not like you took a hammer to it!

I have the original JBC HDE the 250W large version and that has an annoyingly loud fan. But there was nothing similar and I needed that for soldering some high thermal mass connectors. Some people complained about the JBC tips but I still have the initial large thermal mass tip and that did over 35000 solder joints (I know because I know how many connectors I soldered and I do not use it for anything else). For smaller stuff I have the much less expensive ADS200 and I think that is a good quality soldering iron useful for all applications except maybe the most extreme ones. I could have used the largest tip for the Pace ADS200 to solder those connectors but it was taking two to three times longer so for me since I needed to solder a lot of them the investment in larger 250W JBS made complete sense even if I will never solder anything other than those connectors. While Pace ADS200 works OK the temperature control on the JBC is superior and not due to the higher power the algorithm seems much better.

My only concern with my KSGER unit, is the lack of a decent holder. Can someone recommend one? I was always envy for JBC's (or Pace ADS200's ...) solution, it's quite a fit and looks nice (also with space for the sponge and the brass "wool"). Also I have interesting measurements in terms of resistance between the tip and earth ground, it's 26Kohm, while it's always zero on another very similar (looks identical, and also bought at the very same place) station one friend of mine has.

Once you are used to how easy and fast you can change the tips singlehandedly on the JBC irons, you don't want anything else anymore! I got a used JBC station and I'm spoiled forever. But please get the original! I never had any issues with the tips not making proper contact or the controller going rogue. As a hobbyist, the tips pretty much last forever as long as you treat them well.

@voltlog

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm already liking the overall ergonomics of this station and how everything is right there: the cleaning area, the storage area..

@ianhaylock7409

3 жыл бұрын

I use JBC irons at work. A couple of months ago I swapped tips and the tip got so hot that it started glowing red. This was a tip that I had used on numerous occasions, so even JBC irons aren't infallible. I also stopped using the wet sponge as that caused the tips to wear out really quickly.

please review also the xsoldering

I bought a $60 station from banggood, with extra 900M-T-2.4D tips. That was 3-4 years ago, and nothing but flawless operation. Just tip changes every year with daily use. Soldering station should have one switch; ON/OFF. The rest is optional and a source of future problems and failures.

@VoltLog I have noticed your carbon fibre handle has a white plastic ring inside it. I have the same handle but it doesn't have that ring. My tips are very loose inside the handle. Is this ring missing or did you make it yourself?

@voltlog

3 жыл бұрын

The handle had that insert originally, I did not add that.

Some T12 soldering stations have a 4 pin, 5 pin or 6 pin socket for the cable going to the handle of the soldering iron. What is the difference in the amount of lines of each socket? Thanks.

@voltlog

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know but could it be movement/vibration sensor connections? the sensor might be present on some handles and absent on others.

Give that the extremely high cost of JBC tips is, in the long run, a bigger cost than the station, this makes no sense. At least not with the Pace ADS200 being cheaper to buy and having MUCH cheaper genuine tips.

Great Buddy 💞🇮🇳

JBC is a spanish company and I'm from Spain, so, JBC were almost the only option in the 80's-90's, but I must say the products are very well done and I still have my first soldering iron, working just like new after 30 years, with a few wasted tips behind. But, years ago, seems to be the prices started to rise, specially for the soldering stations, Fashion electronics ? Now is like a luxury brand. I'm not that good, neither the things I design and build are so important, my cheap Velleman station is enough for my purposes and, for big heating masses, I rise the temperature to 450 C. Thanks for sharing !

@voltlog

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting insight into JBC origins and prices, thanks!

@diegocorral92

3 жыл бұрын

Es la primera noticia que tengo que JBC fuera Española!, me podias indicar exactamente de donde? Un saludo.

@brainfornothing

3 жыл бұрын

@@diegocorral92 ¡ Hombre ! ¡ Un tocayo ! :D Yo también me llamo Diego, soy de Huelva. Lo puedes ver directamente en su pagina principal : [ www.jbctools.com/ ], son de Barcelona. Aquí puedes ver su oficina principal ( "headquaters" ) y las sucursales internacionales : [ www.jbctools.com/contact-us.html ] Hay (o había) unas cuantas empresas de productos electrónicos importantes con sede en España, como CROVISA (transformadores, A Dave de EEVBlog le llegó uno en un "mailbag") ) o PROMAX, especialmente sus medidores de campo ¡ Un saludo !

@brainfornothing

3 жыл бұрын

@@voltlog Sorry, I have answer @diegocorral92 in spanish, I sent him the JBC links and said we have (or had) in Spain other important electronic companies, like CROVISA ( transformers, Dave from EEVBlog received one in his "mailbag" ) or PROMAX, specially the field metters (aldo Dave received one in the "mailbag", I just remembered ). Maybe one day you can talk about important electronic companies in your country or others. Cheers !

@isidoromaich7226

3 жыл бұрын

@@diegocorral92 JBC was founded in Barcelona around 1929 by Jaime Benet Campabadal

I laughed out loud at 2:35!

Have you seen the $20 one from Taobao? The UI is in Chinese but it has to be the cheapest way to power a JBC tip.

@UpcycleElectronics

3 жыл бұрын

How you doing taobao without Chinese credentials?

@samthenerf

3 жыл бұрын

@@UpcycleElectronics Using a shipping agent.

@ofgjf

3 жыл бұрын

Which 20$ one? Link please

@samthenerf

3 жыл бұрын

@@ofgjf The one from "小苹果T12".

@samthenerf

3 жыл бұрын

I was talking to the seller and it now has an English interface, also KSGER is selling them on AliExpress now at a somewhat high price.

The rabatt code isnt working

I bet that cable is aluminium! It’d partially explain why it got so hot.

@ctbully

3 жыл бұрын

or......the cores are to small to carry the high current

Nice item

Interesting, I've seen several different manufacturers on AliExpress, some are even orange instead of green or turquoise, but I didn't see the soldering irons, the tool sold in single, did you see some? I'd like to have the tool, I designed and programmed my own station and it works great with all 24V soldering irons I could get so far, I wouldn't even tell anybody how many and which options I have in the menu, no big manufacturer has this functions and settings, but I definitely don't need a station.

@voltlog

3 жыл бұрын

If you mean the T245 handle I would recommend getting the original JBC which is available from a lot of places online.

@Wilson84KS

3 жыл бұрын

@@voltlog Original is ways too expensive.

Mmmh. As you said, the difference in price to the original JBC is not enough to justify to buy a clone. If you end up buying 31€ JBC cartdriges, you can spend more for the original (300€ ex. VAT). The original handle don't mind being pushed too hard, it is designed for production. Your hako clone is better for budget constraints because you can have cheaper clone cartdriges. A little note on the metal part where you store the cartdriges, it can be used to pull the hot cartdrige out and hot-swap it, a nice feature.

I've given up on jbc clones. It's like they can't get the handles and tips right. I've have 3 separate brands break. I could've just bought a new jbc station haha

Remove the extras, sell it for under 100 bucks.

100-150 would be better, too expensive.

There is an analog version of genuine JBC soldering station that costs like 230 to 250 $. Why going to clones then? Now days even first gen digital versions are 350 $ while new version is like 500 plus. I understand getting something fir 100 $ but 200 $ for a copy, no thanks.

How can you do a review of a soldering iron and not solder anything?!

For that kind of $$ I will buy a Weller Soldering Station.

You are way to kind on the mechanical issues, especially the one with the handle. Unless you have been pushing on that like a mad man that just should not happen. Also the lead that cannot handle full power? And at $200 it still is a lot of money, and then you have something that with it's noisy fan will remind you had been a cheapskate each time you use it. I also don't like companies copying someone else's design in so much detail. I understand not everyone can afford a genuine JBC. But if you can't (or don't want to) don't try to trick anyone. There are plenty decent alternatives.

Оригинальные жала на ней не работают?

Looks flimsy and dangerous long-term. It's a no for me.

Would much rather pay the extra and have the real deal. That way you get proper back up and guarantee. Performs much better and will last a lot longer. Don’t buy this garbage. Van good and AliExpress will not support the buyer.

Well that's junk, crappy hardware with even crappier UI software, plus poor packaging to boot. And of course I'd expect no customer support at all. But I upvote the review!