Check out my mortise chisel shoot out review here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nX2jpMuwZaTQfMY.html

@EPSTomcat11

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this detailed review. Question: Why is that front dial there. Don’t you always want an opening for the shavings to come through? I don’t understand why you’d want to close it. Also, is the process to take a sample of your production wood, and use it to calibrate the block plane until it shaves evenly, and then you use it on your real piece? Do you have to calibrate every time or only when you change wood type?

It’s so nice to have your review videos because instead of reading thru page after page of online reviews I can get an honest opinion from somebody that knows so much more about what to look for, thanks again Rob

@jimwaters8050

3 жыл бұрын

Rob’s reviews are not honest reviews. The only people that think he knows a lot are the people that have not yet learned enough to realize he doesn’t know all that much. It’s sad that he puts poor and false information out there for people that aren’t yet educated enough to realize he is a man trying to sell a Chinese lower quality tool in Canada, when there’s a Canadian tool, (Veritas) that is top quality just so he can make money. He shamefully takes advantage of the people that trust him.

Thanks Rob for putting the subtitles on so quickly, thinking about those with little worries. I very much appreciate your videos as well as your kindness in helping us and responding as much as possible.👏 and since I'm clumsy I deleted my first text when I wanted to edit it. thanks Rob 👍

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Maxou...I just got home and checked the video and subtitles were on. I have my upload defaults set to turn subtitles on every video, automatically. KZread does the auto subtitles so maybe their system was a little slow on this particular video, but I did nothing to "turn them on"

Just a wonderful presentation, I have the old Stanley plane from my dad, you are right with your assessment. I have been considering the Wood River and this has made it easier to move forward with purchasing one.

Thanks for the video. I’ve got the Wood River, and was having issues adjusting the blade. I didn’t know you had to loosen the lever cap. I’m always learning something new.

Why can’t all reviews be as clear and in depth as this!?! Fantastic review. Thank you for sharing. I’ve always liked using my Stanley block plane but as having no experience in using any other I found this review invaluable.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

So glad you found it helpful

Caught a Rob video right from the start! Hope things are going well up there for the whole team.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Lots of stuff going on up here

Thanks to you and your team! Thoroughly enjoy your videos and always enjoy them. Keep up the good work.

@dreyn7780

2 жыл бұрын

Robs not allowed to change context. You're not allowed to slander the professionals. You're not allowed to take 1 plane out of the SET of planes. You're CHILDISH gossips.

Exellent review. Thank you for the comparisons. I really enjoy your videos.

@dreyn7780

2 жыл бұрын

It wasn't an excellent review. Stanley's block plane is better than robs low chisel thing. Rob changed context and he's NOT allowed to change context.

exactly what i was looking for. Thank you

Thanks, nice to know the good points to look for.

Hello Rob, thanks for your valued assessment and honesty. Keep on smiling.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Thnaks for the comments and for watching. So many folks out ther automatically think I am doing these reviews for my own benefit...get you to buy my planes. And that is SO VERY wrong. Just look at all my videos and what I do...not just my tool reviews.

@tdkrei

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking I hear you and feel your frustration. I might be a vet but you are one of my hero's. Again thank you. Keep on smiling.

Your mastery of tools combined with your excellent teaching style combine to make your videos both profoundly enjoyable and easy to apply at our own benches.

@dreyn7780

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong. The 2 recommend planes have been continuously sold out for 25 years.

I bought the Wood River low angle based on Rob's advice . It's a damn fine plane . You can even shoot with it to a point.

I have had my low angle wood river block plane for about 3 months now. It works great and is a lot of fun to use.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds great. How is your sharpening skills coming along?

Yet again... A great video. Thanks

I understand that Rob has to make a living. Good review and some excellent points. Including the Veritas would have made the Woodriver come in a solid third compared to the two premium planes as opposed to a decent plane for only a little more. Woodriver used to be a pretty good price point for value deal but the prices have crept closer to the actual premium planes and are not made in the USA or Canada.

@TonyNse

2 жыл бұрын

you're right, but how can you make your product shine if you put it against so many better competitors?

@quidestnunc9238

2 жыл бұрын

The major Playahs in this Comparo should have been Stanley Sweetheart, Wood River (Chinese origin), Bench Dog (India origin), LN, Veritas, Veritas Custom, and the best Record block plane. Yes, that Is A Tall Order. Four other observations: 1) Veritas PM-V11 blades ("irons") are superior to any others (per Fine Woodworking test) with Hock A2 (made in France per Ron Hock) somewhere behind; 2) Each block plane should have had a surface check on the sole, period, full stop, no excuses. 3) And the sole should have been measured with an Engineers Square for 90 degree alignment with the sides. Mr. Cosman does not appear to perform sole Measurement evaluations in any of his plane tests. 4) Garrett Wade has Indian origin planes that May Be the premium Anants or Sobhas. However, a Harbor Freight block plane with a Veritas PM-V11 blade (Central Forge is the branding) may be the Value Winnah for the Chicken Dinnah!

@GARDENER42

5 ай бұрын

I agree it was regrettable not to include the Veritas, though in the end, this didn't affect my choice & whilst in the US last month, I purchased the Veritas low angle block plane (& their large router plane...).

If someone asked me which plane I would recommend I would tell them to start with the Lie-Nielsen. It’s expensive, but worth every penny. I purchased a Stanley block plane that was horrible out of the box and 10 or 12 years later I learned how to tune a plane. Now my Stanley works as well as my Lie-Nielsen and I have restored about a dozen planes purchased on Ebay. It has become something of a hobby for me.

First time I've seen one of your videos. It won't be the last. Thanks

Another great video thanks

Hey Rob - I do appreciate that LIe Neilsen make good planes, but they are expensive. However I have had my Stanley 601/2 block for over 45 years and it has served me very well on any number of different figured hardwoods. I admit that over the years I have fettled it a few times but I have to say it has always performed very well even on Pernambuco and Purpleheart as well as curly Maple and extremely figured Yew. I know the blade is thin but they were back then and I admit I have upgraded the blades in my other Stanley bench planes but there are not too many available for the 60 1/2 so I have learned to work with it and have never had a problem with the lever type cap and the mouth opens and closes perfectly. Just my opinion - Great video though keep it up and keep safe.

Thanks for sharing that!

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Our pleasure!

The Stanley rides around in my carpentry bag, the Lie-Nielsen is on the shelf in the shop. Great review. Rob.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

A great comment

@Loranzojose2000

3 жыл бұрын

In defense of the old 60 1/2, the ones made a century ago have a large bedding surface like the LN or WR planes do. That skinny bedding strip is something that began in the 50’s, I think.. t makes a huge difference. .

@billqqq

3 жыл бұрын

@@Loranzojose2000 The antiques are also on the shop shelf. 😉

@dreyn7780

2 жыл бұрын

Proove you bought it. 90% are stolen and we'd love to catch the thieves. You've admitted you've got at least 1. Why don't you have the set? Were you only offered 1 at the pub? Where's the res of them. we know carpenters are in possession of all the stolen Stanley low angle block planes.

Excellent Excellent Review!!!! Thank you...

hey rob, like your video, thanks for sharing your tips and experience

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure

Thanks rob. Really enjoy your instruction and have been putting it to use daily last cpl weeks. Actually got the wood river block plane and 5 1/2 about a month ago.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Good for you. How is your sharpening?

@DsHardWoodCreations

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking going very well. Thanks to u

That was excellent!

Very useful. Agree about handling comfort with so many items of equipment from woodwork to gardening, cameras, smartphones, cars, kitchen layouts and utensils, bicycles. I've learned for myself and, perhaps even more when coaching other people, that what works best for me might not work best for them even if price and other factors make one thing better than another on most criteria. Always worth taking time to try things out in a real store so I pay a £ or two more for touch and feel rather than buy online unless not available locally

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

I almost always think ergonomics is my #1 consideration. If it doesn’t feel/fit well i wont reach for it

very nice explanation!!!

I have been using a Stanley 60 and a half for over thirty five years professionally. Both with the standard and thicker after market Hock blades. The standard blades work fine in soft and hardwood. Perfect for trimming end grain, scrubbing nasty knots to save your smoother plane iron. The real trick is to wet the end grain before you plane it. We use them for thug work. Breaking arrises, cleaning up joints, scrubbing tenons to fit. It's not really a finishing plane but can't imagine life in the shop without one. Indispensable workhorse of a tool. Makes trimming through tenons quick and easy.

@Cope1024

Ай бұрын

I have the 60 1/2 too. I also have the Record version. It lives in my Veto bag and the Stanley sits in a cabinet.

I have some of my dad's old planes that I'm refurbishing. He was a master carpenter for 45 years and i learned a lot from him. I was from Canada and sadly I wasnt able to get all his tools down to Texas after he passed away. I did get several of his antique wooden planes but I am missing his a block planes (and other specialty planes he had) so I want to buy one...but which to buy? Your review was absolutely excellent and comprehensive. You covered all the necessary and important criteria in your evaluations of each plane in a systematic and easy to follow manner. Based on your recommendation, I will buy the Wood River low angle block plane. I've watched several other reviews and they were essentially worthless and poorly done compared to yours...they were basically a waste of time. I noticed you did not have the Veritas plane in your lineup...wondered why? I want to thank you for doing such a great job reviewing these planes in such a factual and organized manner. I watch several other shows on woodworking but none holds a candle to yours. You are far and away the best on you tube.

Very new to woodworking and was looking at the taytools line. Thank you for stopping me from wasting my money.

@dreyn7780

2 жыл бұрын

Don't trust anyone, mark. For the price of 1, mass production sells you a SET. Nobody gets rewarded for buying 1 item. If you buy the SET you get rewarded.

The L-N was the first truly good plane that I bought - it was expensive but it opened my eyes to planing. Later I bought a Stanley 60-1/2 from the estate of a 1950s GM body stylist / patternmaker, and it was tuned to perfection. None of the other planes that i bought or was given are worth mentioning.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Yup one was well manufactured and one was well tuned and maintained

Hi Rob, I agree with other comments very biased - my brand new Stanley not the 2 you had on show ( very old and clearly passed their used by date in my view - but you are the expert!! Enjoy learning from you! Cheers Chris "The Aussie living in the Netherlands " 🇦🇺🇦🇺

Great Video!

Great comparison. I was considering the new Stanley sweetheart, but now I’ll spring for one of the premium planes.

@dreyn7780

2 жыл бұрын

It was a terrible comparison. He warned you he was about to take the Stanley plane out of the SET of planes. For the price of 1 plane, Stanley sell you a SET of dedicated specialist planes.

I was glad to hear you say that the old Stanley was good for carpentry, ..... yes, laying up high in a wet and dirty tool bag being brought into the game to take a high end off an ill fitting jack rafter,... did I say it was a rain snow mix? That old steel has a place in the game. Thanks Rob, excellent as always!

Another awesome video! Very good thorough comparisons! With regards to the Lie Nielson, I can confirm on my side that my NL #60 1/2 adjustable mouth does indeed close right up to the leading edge of the blade...

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Norman I sold the LN for years, and I can confirm that this one that we received is the only one that I have seen that does not close up and I know that if I sent it back to LN they would fix it. I recommend you contact LN and they will fix yours. But we purchased these and I reviewed what we received. Several folks have told me they have seethearts that do not have the problems our had...But I reviewed what folks sent us.

@debandmike3380

2 жыл бұрын

so good to know that no matter what brand you buy, you get inconsistency. Given that, might as well buy the cheaper ones and work with it.

I had two cheap block planes that I decided to refurbish. So I sharpened the blades and started flattening the soles. They were hard to adjust and really flimsy. I found I really hated them. I think one is destined to become a door stop. The other is getting a wood handle to become a hammer. After watching your video, I am now the proud owner of a Wood River Low Angle block plane. What a difference.

Great review, Rob. A few frustrations I had with the old Stanley is that the sole is not flat; the slide locking mechanism comes loose during planning and lots of chatter. I have given this tool up and going for the Woodriver. Anyone who wishes to buy a handplane should listen to our Guru - Rob.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, that a good run down of the common issues of an old Stanley

I met someone on a job site who was trying to use the cheap Stanley block plane. Frustration and anger trying to plane a door edge. That evening I borrowed his plane. I flattened the sole, filed the bed and sharpened the blade. Next day I gave it back to him. He was happier that it worked better. Then I pulled out my LN and let him use it. The look on his face was priceless. Now he understands he should pay more to get a better quality tool rather than struggle with cheap crap.

The Lie is by far my favorite. The size of the plane fits my hand better than any other modern plane I've seen. I had an old Stanley, probably from the 40s that I also liked.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

LN is a great plane

Thank you! As a beginner I need good honest technical advice.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and commenting

@dreyn7780

2 жыл бұрын

He warned you he was going to lie to you. Factories make sets of planes. The biggest factory makes you the most options at the best possible price. Rob isn't allowed to take the Stanley plane out of the SET of planes and misuse it. Stanley sells you a SET of dedicated specialist planes. Robs other planes aren't dedicated specialist planes. The Professional has a SET. You're buying into a SET of planes.

Great comparison Rob. Once again I wish I could have seen it before purchasing the Stanley SW block plane. I have the WR low angle block plane and like it a lot. Thanks for sharing. And, thanks for wearing your poppy to salute our veterans with tomorrow being Veterans Day here in the US. Welcome home brothers and thank you for serving.

@dreyn7780

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong. Nobody gets rewarded for 1 purchase. Its impossible to take the Stanley plane out of the Stanley SET of planes. The sweet heart adds to the SET. You don't disrespect a company that OBVIOUSLY builds SETS of planes.

This explains some of my frustration with my Stanley block plane. I had to file the area where the blade rests to get it to work as well as it does, but I definitely see an upgrade to the Wood River block plane. Soon. Thanks!!! And thanks for all that you do for veterans, too!!!!!

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Well thank you for watching and commenting

@dreyn7780

2 жыл бұрын

Its actually a down grade. For the price of 1 plane, Stanley sells you a SET of dedicated specialist planes.

Correct I always look for comfort when holding the plane and comfort when using it I find that a very important issue because if a tool is comfortable when using it can be an important issue to your work

I like that you don't just do random reviews of tools. The part about why you use a specific tool is awesome and you don't see that with most reviewers.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

My goal is to teach and pass on the woodworking knowledge my mentors gave me. Hopefully I am doing them proud

awesome video

Mostly agree - good review (& thanks)

This was an excellent good review. By that I don't mean simply that I mostly agree with your findings (although I do). No I thought your approach was thorough and covered everything important in a consistent manner. Thanks 🙂 I've been doing woodworking for a little over 50 years and I started out as a power-tools-only user. No, I take that back. I had a large handsaw (32" blade) which had been hanging around my family for longer than I've been alive (I think it was bought originally by my grandfater in about 1905 or so. I actually started woodworking out of necessity. I was in graduate school (today I'm a retired physicist) and needed book shelves, actually several of them. But after pricing them, I realized that I would have to build them myself. I remember naively thinking, "How hard could that be?" Yeah, right. Well the first one weren't perfect but the next was better, and the third one was actually decent. As it happened they worked out so well that I ended up with a little confidence, and a few months later I had added radiator covers (one of which was also a dedicated table for my typewriter with a hinged desktop); a wall-sized (12'w,8'h,18"deep) bookshelf/storage unit with a built-in fold-out desktop; a "fake" linen closet which was made to "blend in" in a corner so that it appeared to be built-in but wasn't; and several other things all of which I enjoyed using and all of which I sold to other grad students when I got my degree and left Boston. I mentioned those things because early on we had a small party and one of my professors came. He was so impressed with the things I had made in my "spare time" that he asked me to build a book case for him (and paid nicely). And after that I had more requests than I could fill and for the next 2 years I had no free weekends ... but the things I built paid my rent, so I was happy. And along the way I did learn (usually the hard way) a lot of practical things about woodworking. But all that time my only non-powered "tools" were a carpenter's square, the aforementioned hand saw, a tape measure, and a doweling jig. I still had no plans for hand tools and even didn't begin to think about a plane. That lasted until my wife and I bought our first home. From that point on everything had to be not only functional but also attractive (or "nicely finished" so that it might have come from a store ... my wife's description). So the first hand tool I bought was what I suspect was the "cheap" Stanley plane you included. Unfortunately I bought it on sale at a local hardware store and when I got it home and really examined it I discovered that it had a serious manufacturing defect. The sole was SEVERELY warped at the front, and when I tried to return it I found that the store's policy was no returns on sale items. (The sole was actually mis-cast and the warp was so bad that there was a bulge of about 3/32" at the front so that the plane would not sit on a flat surface and make contact. I'm still pretty sure that the plane's sole had somehow skipped the manufacturing step during which it would have been machined. Sigh.) As it was it was useless. I had bought a file somewhere along the way and after about a week's work I had successfully removed the "bulge" on the bottom so that it would work, and had also flattened the base using sandpaper (starting at #40 and working up to #1200 grit) on smooth piece of granite (part of a failed counter-top). Then at last I finally got to try planing with it. Now I knew nothing about what I was doing, but after more than a little trial and error, (heavy on the "error" part) I finally learned how best to adjust it AND how to plane with it and get the finish I wanted. (And yes, the two are definitely interdependent). To make a long story short, yes, this relatively-cheap Stanley was VERY frustrating to work with and I made plans to save up for a really good plane, specifically thinking of the Lie-Nielsen. However for $$$ reasons I decided to aim a bit lower (I know - you get no more than what you pay for ... and sometimes less...). But the owner of the local Woodcraft made me an offer I couldn't refuse. If I bought their low-angle block plane, the owner promised me that if I wasn't completely happy with it, not only could I bring it back, he'd also give me a $50 store credit to use any way I wanted. That was a "safe" offer on his part though, because after initially tuning it up a bit I never once thought about returning it. So I completely agree with your conclusion about the Woodcraft plane as well. The Lie-Nielsen would be nice, but since I've never had a problem (after at least 15 years) with the Woodcraft, adding the more expensive L-N plane would (from my perspective) be wasting money, said $$$ being very useful to buy other things I didn't have :-). Besides your conclusions, I really liked the way you went over the finishing of the various planes as well. The finish was one of the reasons I didn't buy the Rockler (on a larger plane). It had a VERY sharp edge but ONLY on the left side of the base. Hmm. Only on ONE side? When I see something like that I almost always have to ask myself, "OK, what else didn't get done right?" Now when I look for tools (hand or powered, stationary, or otherwise) I check the overall finishing. Were the places which should have been milled actually milled, and if so how well; how are the tolerances; what's loose that shouldn't be; etc. ad nauseam. Basically I guess that I'm being too picky. But I've never had problems on any tool I've bought which were cause by bad (or omitted) machining. Missing parts, yes. cheap finishing, no. So thank you for your review. I'm looking for a really long-bed plane at this point and you added a couple of things I need to watch out for.

I have the Qiangsheng which is similar to your wood river. It is very high quality but a bit heavy. I once bought a cheapo and fettled it using my milling machine. It works fine. I have an upgraded blade in the Stanley. It’s my go to for carpentry.

Hi Rob, I would’ve enjoyed this video more had I watched it prior to purchasing the rockler bench dog two hours ago. LOL. Fortunately it’s still new in the box and I can return it and spend a few extra dollars and get a good solid plane. Thanks for an excellent video!

9:57 "I would say that's excessive". What an excellent line...

If you go with the Lie Neilsen, then instead of the 60 1/2, the 60 1/2 rabbet is what I would prefer (do). It does everything the regular 60 1/2 does, and it does rabbets and tenon cheeks as well. It costs $10 more.

This is really helpful. I am new to hand tools and was given an old Stanley block plane (looks like an older version of the classic Stanley) without an adjustable throat. It has been beyond frustrating to try to make work. I wasn't sure if it was the plane or if it was user error, but watching this, I've been dealing with all the negatives you mention in your review, but then with the added "bonus" of a non-adjustable throat. Looks like I'll need to look for something better.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

This was such a great review!! I just put the Woodriver plane on my Xmas list :) Thanks for the info, Rob!

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it useful

Rob as always enjoyed the video and agree 100% on the cheap planes. I bet your tired of answer the same question over and over. Take care / be safe.

I have a Veritas. Better than my Stanley and made in Canada eh? I am a little surprised to see it missing in your lineup.

@I_like_pears

3 жыл бұрын

I agree! I like Rob, but he tends to favor the companies he has worked with (in any of his other comparisons), i.e., Lee Nielsen and Woodcraft/Wood River, so it makes you wonder if the Veritas was objectively better and he didn't want to admit it.

@Mr_Rick

Жыл бұрын

@@I_like_pears only Rob can say for sure but I understand there was some kind of issue between him and Lee Valley. Thus he never mentions them. Too bad because Lee Valley Veritas is one of the top best.

The old Stanley is the most popular block plane in a UK Joinery Shop. I've had mine for 40 years and now have fitted a Hock A2 blade.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Hocks are good blades. , Ron Hock preferes O-1 to A2 steel so the majority of his blades are O1 although he does get a French company to mack some A2 steel for him.

I own 3 of the planes shown. I have to say that using them all, and seeing Rob's evaluation feels the same over the time I've used them. Another very important feature that Rob didn't show and I wish he had is the "flatness" of the sole. By far - Stanley SW has never come out of the box with a flat sole (and I exchanged it 4 times at the store based on that reason). If you have one or considering getting one, please check that and you'll find that piece to be true no matter what store you go to.

@quidestnunc9238

2 жыл бұрын

The major Playahs in this Comparo should have been Stanley Sweetheart, Wood River (Chinese origin), Bench Dog (India origin), LN, Veritas, Veritas Custom, and the best Record block plane. Yes, that Is A Tall Order. Four other observations: 1) Veritas PM-V11 blades ("irons") are superior to any others (per Fine Woodworking test) with Hock A2 (made in France per Ron Hock) somewhere behind; 2) Each block plane should have had a surface check on the sole, period, full stop, no excuses. 3) And the sole should have been measured with an Engineers Square for 90 degree alignment with the sides. Mr. Cosman does not appear to perform sole Measurement evaluations in any of his plane tests. 4) Garrett Wade has Indian origin planes that May Be the premium Anants or Sobhas. However, a Harbor Freight block plane with a Veritas PM-V11 blade (Central Forge is the branding) may be the Value Winnah for the Chicken Dinnah!

A well done review. Exactly what I was looking for. You’ve convinced me to buy a veritas.

I have been very happy with my L-N 60-1/2 for many years. I also have the 102 low angle and the 101 violin maker's plane. I use the 101 a lot for super fine guitar building tasks and it has a fixed mouth opening. I cut pieces of thin brass shim stock under the blade, which raises it up slightly. In turn, I am able to project the blade farther forward to close the gap without burying the blade deeper than I desire. I know that fiddling with a $100 violin maker's plane (no pun intended) seem like a waste, but this way I can get the performance I desire.

@danasmith8950

3 жыл бұрын

oh come on. That pun HAD to be intended.

@danielromans6746

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with Dana Smith, and would in no way apologize for it.

Rob great video - quick reminders - what angle are you sharpening to and you put a micro bevel on the blade

I learned more about planes with this one video than the six before it. Unfortunately the first and only plane I bought was the cheap Stanley.

Just got the Low Angle Lie Nielson. excited

I've acquired a few block planes in the last few years, all eBay stuff, none of them what I would call high quality. All the negative points you show, I've experienced, though with Stanley and Miller Falls planes. I do appreciate your concise evaluation as to the next "quality" block plane I'm going to purchase. I've looked at the other planes you have evaluated and held off because I know how sales pitches work. WR it is and if the ship comes in, LN. Thanks

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree

How can you not include Veritas in any plane shootout? Thank you for the great content in all of your videos by the way.

@dreyn7780

2 жыл бұрын

Only Stanley IS for sale in Australia. Stanley or Gordon wooden planes. Everything else is way lower than poor ol Stanley who cops a kicking and doesn't deserve it at all. Woodwork snobs or woodwork thieves, that's almost all there is. An Australian carpenter stole 2 children 4 days ago. They buy stolen Stanley's and think about stealing other peoples children. That's the new gen Australian woodworker.

@bigkiv47

2 жыл бұрын

@@dreyn7780 WTF are you on about lol

@mxdadNZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigkiv47 Australians mate, no surprises there

@James_T_Kirk_1701

2 жыл бұрын

Because the Veritas would wood make the LN and Overpricedshippedovertheriver cry. Everyone Carrie’s on and on about Lie Nielsen but my Veritas smoother is the best plane I’ve ever used. I owned a LN no. 4 that I sold on eBay for almost no loss. They have their fans I’ll give them that but the Lee Valley stuff simply works better. Plus… PVM-11.

@tylerpeterson1280

Жыл бұрын

@@James_T_Kirk_1701 I had a Veritas low angle jack plane years ago. I similarly sold it on eBay after getting a Lie-Nielsen no. 62. In my hands, Veritas just made a clumsier tool. Unbalanced, poor ergonomics, lesser finishing. This is a hand tool after all. You can swap the blade. You can't change the center of gravity or the hang of the tote. I all but swore off Veritas tools after having directly compared it to it's Lie-Nielsen competitor.

Boy am I lucky. I thought I'd waste time watching this video in sourcing for something to watch. NOT AT ALL. What an interesting review. I never thought reviewing block planes would be so interesting. I'm lucky because I have that WoodCraft block plane and almost bought the Lie Nielsen. lol lol lol lol I really did. I'm kind of in the mindset of Paul Sellers in that I use my Lie Nielsen #4 a lot and seldom my block planes except for chamfering edges and the like. Great Stuff Rob but then again aren't you ever always the master. Time Well Spent AGAIN.

Have the new Stanley SW( first batch that was on the market)and on mine mouth closes all the way up but I had problem with lateral adjust.All the other points you made were accurate. Guess QC wasn't that great .Made it work fine but for the money it should work right of the bat I think.

Hi Rob, Any reason you left out the Lee Valley block plane? I think it would have been at least equal to the Lie Nielson or close to it. By the way, I've got an old Stanley that I've had since I was a kid (some 60 years ago). It's not a low angle as my Lee Valley is but I use it especially when I go out to the place where I buy wood to clean off the rough edges to see what the wood looks like. I wouldn't take my LV off for that use.

Nice review, Rob. I’ve been thinking of upgrading from my old Stanley block plane for a while, so this is relevant to me. I’ve been really happy with my Wood River No. 5-1/2, was thinking of sticking with the brand on this next purchase... so I’m glad the WR block plane came out on top here.

@dreyn7780

2 жыл бұрын

Bullshit. Every Stanley plane gets stolen from new. That's 90% of all new Stanley planes.

@Gogreenoo3

2 жыл бұрын

@@dreyn7780 Nothing you say makes any sense. You’re either drunk or a bot.

I just bought a Rockler Bench Dog 60 1/2 block plane *before* watching your video. I immediately thought "uh oh" but when I checked my plane it had none of the faults that you found in yours. The sliding plate for the mouth adjustment fits great with a gap that looks just like the good ones in the video, the plate is nice and level with the sole, and my lateral blade adjustment works fine. Maybe you got a lemon, or maybe they have improved it since the review. I do wish it had a better blade material - do you know if the Stanley (non-sweetheart) blades will fit? There are some aftermarket replacement A2 blades available.

I have one of those cheap Stanley block planes, and if anything mine has even worse machining. I had to grind down the rim on the adjustment thingy where the screw goes through, because it was substantially higher on one side making the whole lever cap uneven. The bed near the mouth had some strange distortion, maybe a problem with casting or something. Had I known any better when I bought it, I should have returned it, but I was completely new to woodworking at the time and didn't know what I should be looking for in a plane. I'll have to upgrade some day.

Being a carpenter that does mainly site work, I love a block plane, had a record cheap and nasty the adjustment wheel kept falling off, then a stanley which I let somebody borrow which was left in the rain and turned to a pile of rust. Could not fussed with makeing that good, so went for a standard woodriver, love it. Awesome brand for the price, also have a no5 jack plane. For finishing a nice oak or walnut door edge it's the best.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

So what did the guy who left your plane in the rain say?

@christophercrowle9753

3 жыл бұрын

Literally was a, o yaa sorry about that. Wasn't much help tbh.

what do you think of a very early 1970's stanley 5-1/2" jack plane? just curious

Thanks for the great video. I was a little disappointed that you did not test the planes on end grain but that doesn't disqualify the results. I have an old Stanley pressed steel plane that outperforms my Stanley block plane. It's no Lie Neilson but it has a place in my tool bag.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Contrary to common lore I sont think a block plane is a good choice for end grain. Its a small lite plane and heavier plane is called for when planing tough endgrain

@TerryPullen

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking Sometimes I do things the hard way. I've been working wood for almost 60 years and I just never thought of that. Thank goodness no one is watching I'm a little embarrassed.

I started woodworking in 1970 and back then the Stanley 60-1/2 was the state of the art so everybody had one. The first thing we did was to remove that bell crank mouth adjuster and throw it in a drawer somewhere. Using your thumb and finger you can make a much finer and quicker mouth opening from wide open to zero. By the way, of the hundreds of hand tools I have bought new and used, I have never bought a single one that was ready to use out of the box. This is especially true of planes.

Hello Mr. Rob, just started watching your videos and like the measuring tool your using. I’ve looked at your website and don’t see it there. Could you tell me the brand and name? I’d appreciate it. I was also looking for the planer you used in your video. The description says the items your using are listed on you websites page. I don’t see them either. Really enjoy watching you. Thank you

Great review. Their question might have already been asked but I couldn’t find the answer. Please can you confirm for your review of the Woodriver whether it was the ‘low angle’ block plane or the ‘standard’ block plane?

@simonfairall5122

2 жыл бұрын

He said at the beginning that they were all low angle versions I think

thank you

My Stanley Sweetheart block plane is about 2 years old and it doesn't have the toe plate problem you encountered. It will tighten the throat up as tight as I want. The lateral adjustment is much tighter than yours too. The mystery material lever cap is holding up well and it's comfortable in my hand. I did have to spend about half an hour flattening the sole and easing the corners. IMO, the Stanley is the equal of the Wood River unless it's a lemon like you apparently received. Pretty unwise of Stanley to send YOU a lemon.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

We purchased it off of Amazon so they didnt know ir was me. I can only review what they send me and if that passes quality control I am concerned about their quality control. Even if the throat closed because I find it too heavy in the hand and the adjustment threads are milled into a piece of aluminum not steel I would pay the extra $20 for the WR

This was a long drawn out commercial for the Woodriver. Although, also very informative.

Hi Rob, I really enjoyed your in depth breakdown of block planes and their construction. It was surprising to see that both of the Stanley planes, had chip breakers that sat well behind the front edge of the blade. I do have the Woodriver, thanks to your input and advice, but I find that sometimes the chip breaker removal gets a little fiddley. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks for the video ... I've seen the Bench Dog #7 pretty inexpensive when on sale and now I know why. It's all in the manufacturing, and quality beneath the surface. Thanks for caring enough to share what you've learned during your career.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it useful. So fidley how?

Thank you.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Your welcome

Couldn't agree more!

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

Does the wood river take different metal blades? which of them are interchangeable?

Nice review, but I would have liked to see your take on Lee Valley Veritas, too.

Thorough as usual, even though you dumped on my old stanley that I've had for 30 years. Maybe it's time for an upgrade.

@stevem268

3 жыл бұрын

stanley used to make a good block plane, i have a 60 yr old one and its excellent, your 30 yr one is likely better made than the one rob is showing

I have the Veritas low angle plane and feel it compares well with the best you show here

@ronin4711

3 жыл бұрын

I also have a Veritas and I think it's the best. I bought a tote add on and a large front knob that makes it like a LA #1 hand plane, fantastic to play with. I would buy just for the curiousity the Woodriver as a second LA plane...

@Mr_Rick

3 жыл бұрын

I have it too. Love it !!

Thank you for the HONEST review.

I bought the Wood River low angle clam shell but find the adjustment harder than needed after using a Veritas low angle that is super easy to adjust. I do like the size of the palm rest on the Wood River being a bit larger and easier than the Veritas to grip.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Try loosening the cap screw a tad until you get it just right.

Hi Rob! Thanks for this video. Quick beginner question - I realized after some time that I had to angle set wrong on my honing guide and now I have a tertiary bevel at 37 degrees. How would I fix this? I don't have a grinder if it comes to that. Can I just go back and spend some time on the 220 stone at 30 degrees? Thanks!

@The9q11

3 жыл бұрын

Dan Linsky if you talk about bevel up low angal block plane - all you need is to set your jig to 25 or 30 degree and do some honing until you have a tiny new bevel line on your blade. No need to re-sharpen a bevel completely! A tiny edge should be 25 degree, not the whole bevel.

Wow! LN block planes that much now..I bought mine 20 years ago. O1 steel 129 bucks back then. Been tempted to sell it, rarely reach for a block plane in my shop.

What brand is the wax stick you are using?

The lie-nielsen looks like it would fit my small hand better. I know the width is less than the wood river. Is the height less?

Hi Rob, have you ever looked at River City planes?

I have a quangsheng low angle block plane and it looks identical to the Lienelson, I'm wondering if it is the same product under a different name.

Just curious why you left out the Veritas block plane. Would have been a good comparison with the Lie-Nielsen, even though neither are really beginner planes.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

My legal team has advised me not to comment on that brand, and so I heed that direction. However, I disagree with your statement about LN not being a beginner’s plane. I believe that as a beginner you need all the help you can get. You need a plane that works properly right out of the box. One that is easy to adjust, holds an edge well (if they’re new to sharpening it would be frustrating to have to resharpen, as well as re-set the plane often) and doesn’t produce any chatter. Remember, a professional would know why a plane isn’t performing well, a beginner would assume that’s just how it is.

I own a Stanley Sweetheart 60 1/2 that I bought brand new about 10 years ago. The throat adjuster on mine does not have the problem that yours has. Mine will close fully tight no matter where the blade edge is adjusted at. Also, the Norris style adjuster on mine is mounted precisely, it is not sloppy like the one you have. The cap is made of aluminum. The threads that the tension wheel runs in are raw aluminum, and they wear excessively. I anticipate that in the future I will have to drill it out, and insert a threaded steel part. It won't be hard, and it won't take me long, but it shouldn't be needed on a tool that is supposed to be premium quality. I first bought a Wood River with one of those floppy hinging caps. I hated it, and couldn't take it back soon enough. I traded it for the Stanley, which I am happy with. My only criticism of the Sweetheart, from a user's standpoint, is that it's as heavy as a brick. It is not a handy little tool to grab and use. If I had a milling machine, I'd cut off half the thickness of the sides to lose some of the weight. I'd also look to see how much thickness could be taken off of the sole before it impacts the mechanism. So, really, I'm glad that the cap is made of lightweight aluminum. The plane would be even more ridiculously heavy if the cap was steel, or bronze.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

We just purchased the one I reviewed, maybe their manufactureing quality has gone down in 10 years? I can only evaluate what they send me. I agree that its a very heavy block plane. If you have never used a snap cap it will feel a bit weird untill you give it a chance.

@deezynar

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking I thought that it's possible for Stanley's quality to have deteriorated in the 10 years since I bought mine, that's why I made sure to mention its age. They are wasting their time if they have let it slide that much.

Rob can you tell me what type of wax do you use on your planes to ease movement when planning it is a great idea

@chuckgrumble5440

3 жыл бұрын

i use just paraffin