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@bradmorri

5 ай бұрын

good series. I would be happy to see more nose art content

@steveshoemaker6347

5 ай бұрын

Anything you post i WILL WATCH.....You are AMAZING my friend and thinks for the awesome video...... Old F-4 II Shoe🇺🇸

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

@@steveshoemaker6347 thanks Shoe!

@Irobert1115HD

3 ай бұрын

mister are you shure that the liberty belle and heavenly body even found their mark? lets see if he gets this comment.

Fun Fact: Although the paint used on the B-17 did add to the weight of the bomber and did (in theory) make it less efficient, it was later discovered that the paint "smoothed over" the thousands of rivets that covered the exterior of the plane and actually made the thing a bit more aerodynamic.

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

Interesting!

@xaero76

5 ай бұрын

The problem is... it also helps if the paint is Glossy tho... if the paint is flat matte, then it will create more drag... the Olive Drab that was used is flat, so basically does more harm than good

@fishpants3877

5 ай бұрын

@@xaero76 For sure glossy paint would be better. It's my understanding that even with the paint they used, they got better fuel consumption rates than with no paint. It's amazing how little details such as these greatly affect aerodynamic performance.

@Tinbender-zr4jd

5 ай бұрын

When I was an AF mechanic on C-141 Starlifters, it was common to strip the paint from the bellies and repaint them since the belly paint got beat up pretty bad and would allow corrosion to get started. I once asked the paint shop supervisor if he had any idea what the paint on the aircraft weighed. He told me they once weighed the paint cans before spraying it on. For just the belly it was 600 pounds of paint.

@xaero76

5 ай бұрын

@@Tinbender-zr4jd Its always great to hear from people that have painted aircraft, did you have to apply an undercoat first ? or was the paint a type of all in one ? otherwise I would imagine the undercoat would have a similar weight... but, also with the Jet Age the weight problem of paint had started to become negligible as well

I would like to see more nose art. Thanks for the video. Some of these young bomber crew were lost before they ever had the chance to know the "sweet favors" of a woman. Old soldiers never die, young ones do. Just the thoughts of an old Vietnam veteran.

@lexion2772

2 ай бұрын

Mid 80's, Nicaragua. Thanks for your Service.

My grandpa was the radio operator gunner on the Liberty Bell he told me after the war was over that he said it was a scariest moment of his life. He said he felt the aircraft turnover, and a a giant impact through him out of the plane.

This could become a great series with different planes and their nose arts. Well done

My dad served as in the German theater. He was a nose gunner in the B-17. Best generation ever. I miss the wise ones.

My wife’s uncle flew as a copilot on “ SON OF A BLITZ” B17G I could sit next to him for hours and listen to him talk about what he went through flying over Europe . I still have many of his medals and flight jacket . I miss him very much 😢

B17 nose art has never disappointed me. When I think of nose art I always think of the famous nose art. Excellent work TJ!

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@moonshineofthemoon8054

5 ай бұрын

@@shawnstafford7809 nice! I remember seeing the b17 at the castle air museum before.!

@moonshineofthemoon8054

5 ай бұрын

@@shawnstafford7809 nice! Id love to see the B17 again!

Markham’s notation is probably the most accurate. In addition to being home to some great sharpening stones, the Ouachita region is famous for being home to a particularly large Airedale Terrier type, way above what is considered show-standard. Mine was built like a tank and went on to father two litters where many of the pups ended up on farms/ranches. According to their owners, those pups soon grew to Alpha-dog status and herded all types of four-legged farm animals when they weren’t out in the woods chasing down prey. Gotta think the B-17 “Ouachita” inherited some Airedale.

I’m a volunteer helping rebuild a B17 “Champaign Lady” at Grimes Field in Urbana Ohio. We maintain and preserve “Champaign Gal”, an airworthy B25. Liberty Aviation Museum in Port Clinton Ohio preserves B25 “George’s Gal” which has different nose art on either side of the plane. One side is “Helena” and the other is “Angela”. I think this might be unique in the world of nose art.

FYI: here in Arkansas, Ouachita is pronounced ‘wash-taw’. It may not be historically correct, or even close to the original native American pronunciation. Regardless, it is the current usage of everyone in the state. Great video of a great subject. Nose art was the American way of expression and coping with the danger of combat missions. Most of the female depictions I’ve seen over the years are absolutely lovely and show a high degree of artistic ability. It’s a shame the art form is no longer practiced, although we do have mudflap girl in chrome !!!

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

Haha agreed! Thank you!

@Bambihunter1971

5 ай бұрын

Here in the central OK area, it is pronounced more like washataw

@DebbieOnTheSpot

5 ай бұрын

Wash-it-aww

Love to hear and see the stories of WWII. I have a picture of my uncle in front of his Bomber, Asbestos Alice. He flew missions over Europe. I also have another Uncle's , WWII correspondence from his years of service. Africa up to France, 192nd Tank Batallion. He was killed on the border of France and Germany, Dec 1944. My WWII Army Dad was B17 gunner instructor and my Mom, Army, taught Morse code to Air Crews. One of her students was Tyronne Power. And one of my Woman Marine friends taught Tyronne Power Celestial Navigation. Woman Marine here, 65-68. Thanks for the stories.🇺🇸👏

As an illustrator, let me say you nailded all the art works!! great stories on each one

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@xaero76

5 ай бұрын

I recreate many old nose art pin up girls my self, and if I have trouble remaking them, I can often trace the nose art all the way back to paintings made by the Famous Artist "Alberto Vargas" if you look him up, you will see 100s to 1,000s of familiar faces

This video is an eye opener. My Father was B-17 pilot during WWII and once told me about the dangers of mid air collisions. Thank God he made it back alive.

10:30 that Heavenly Body nose art is my favourite among them in this video. (Puritanism was never my thing).

Thanks for this great video, TJ! About Major Heinz Bär: According to German War Diary (Kriegstagebuch, KTB) and his Flight Book (Flugbuch) the famous Bär (pronounced bare as in dare or care) was sent to 6./JG 1 early January 1944, where he flew Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-7 (first training flight with Fw 190 A on January 4th 1944). Bär shot down the B-17 F "Miss Quachita" on February 21st 1944 while flying an Fw 190 A-7 and it was his 184th aerial victory. After he had learned to love the Fw 190, Bär didn't want to fly with Bf 109 again and stated one day: "If I'm not sitting behind the star, I don't feel safe!" (Wenn ich nicht hinter dem Stern sitze, fühle ich mich nicht sicher!) With "star" he meant the BMW 801 Doppelstern-Motor (double-star-engine). Later Bär became the most famous jet pilot of WW 2 while flying Me 262!

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for that info! Yes I was trying to look, but it was unclear to me when he made the switch to the 190. I wasn't entirely sure. I appreciate it.

@josefhorndl3469

5 ай бұрын

@@TJ3 You're welcome. I always appreciate your videos.

@JimVaught-qm6gf

5 ай бұрын

Fun fact. While they were standing around inspecting Miss Ouchita, they got strafed by a US fighter and sent running on their merry way. And Miss Ouachita burnt.

What an amazing bit of footage.. made me think of the boys flying over here in their b-52s I believe.. here in Poland Europe.. lots of respect for these boys..

Norman Lear was a radio operator/gunner on Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress bombers with the 772nd Bomb Squadron, 463rd Bomb Group of the Fifteenth Air Force. He flew in 52 combat missions and received the Air Medal with four oak leaf clusters.

flying hobo is pretty good

I built a model of the Black Widow, and it had some cool art to choose from. One was the "Hustlin' Hussy" and the other was Snuffy Smith with the slogan "Times A Wastin'" with a sign pointing toward Berlin or Tokyo I forget which. I guess it would be Tokyo, since the Black Widow was used chiefly in the Pacific theaters of war.

My father flew in the B-24 bomber over the South Pacific during WWII. I have many pictures of the nose art on his bomb group's Liberators and most were of naked women of course. Everything was good until a prude Congress critter showed up and was outraged by what he saw. After that, the women either got covered up or were removed from the nose art. The Congressman must have considered that so important to take from men who spent years in combat in the Pacific theater. My father spent over two years there without any return to the States.

B-29 had the best nose art

Ouachita, is the French spelling of a Caddo Indian word meaning “river “. It is pronounced “Wash aw taw” It is also the name of a river that starts in present day Oklahoma and the western part of the river has a Spanish spelling while the middle part is spelled in English. The 1870 GLO maps are very interesting. The mountains are south of the Arkansas River and on the south western part of Arkansas. I have a degree in history, and have worked as a field survey archeologists all over this region. Many digs. Now retired. Also, the beautiful historic resort city of Hot Springs is located in the Ouachita National Park. Plenty of great fresh water fishing on its many lakes, race track and gambling. Great natural wonders and beautiful natural hot springs bubbling up out of the ground with many paved trails to explore and miles of hiking trails for those who are physically fit.

My dad flew 52 missions out of N Africa in '43. He flew 2 different B-17's "RIGOR MORTISE" and " 50/50"

I notices that the German Officer in the Miss Ouachita crash site was wearing an American B3 flight jacket that he had taken from a US crew member!

@miamiclipper

3 ай бұрын

The pilot with the B-3 jacket is Bar's wingman Oberfeldwebel Leo Schuhmacher. Also, Heinz Bar is wearing an American A-2 jacket with epaulets sewn on the shoulders and his Iron cross on the left breast.

Nice show, dig your channel. One point: Ouachita is a mountain range in Arkansas and is pronounced ''WASH-it-tah''

I appreciate you using my sound mod for War Thunder. Took some effort to make!

My uncle was in the 487th Bomb Group - 839th Squadron B-17 43-37987 R5-J / "Mean Widdle Kid" (Peter J. Brown Crew) from August to September 1944 pictured on page 288 in Ivo De Jong's "History of the 487th Bomb Group (H)". They were the first crew to fly this particular aircraft that was later shot down in April of 1945 manned by a different crew. My uncle and all of his crew made it home after 35 missions. They became members of "The Lucky Bastard Club".

Goodday From Australia, Always loved Nose Art on B17's from my days as a kids building models & never lost the appeal. I myself drive a 1970 Valiant Hardtop similar to a Dodge Dart. I always called my car Miss Samantha & for years I wanted to paint nose art on my classic car. So early this year I found a old school hand painting signwriter who does signwriting on semi & he took the work on. Love to send you pictures of my nose art on my car. Basically a Blonde American Gal semi naked riding a bomb with the RAAF insignia on the bomb & a American Flag as a scarf flapping off Miss Samantha's neck. Bomb missions & dedicated to the Brave American & Australian Airmen who fought at Milne Bay PNG, August 1942. Always a traffic stopper when I go for a drive. Cheers Louis Kats 👍

jg27 stands out so much after reading higher calling

My uncle LT Thomas Clinton Butler was killed 11 Jan 1944. His plane was Chief Sly’s Son - aircraft 42-31076 - 322nd Squadron- 91st Bomber Group

Very neat. Not even “Bomber Crew” came this close with the nose art.

It's like Legacy Box, but it doesn't cost anything. Sweet!

I love your re-creations of planes and their nose art. Is it possible to show how this is done? I have been trying to honor a B-17G and her co-pilot for a long time by re-creating his plane and flying it in War Thunder.

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

I have a guy who I assign to make them for me. He is much better than I am. There are plenty of KZread videos on it though!

I'd love to see a video on B-29 nose art, some of the craziest out there! Love these videos, keep them coming!

Can’t say I’m opposed to more videos like this, with other aircraft and the B-17.

11:28 wow I never heard this story before.

Smooth, glossy paint enhances the "sticky airflow" of the boundary layer increasing drag🎉Plain rivets are counter intuitively worse than flush rivets

This was really good. Well portrayed and with great graphics. I would like to see you cover some of the Lancaster missions the British flew. That would be awesome.

My favorite nose art in the funny category was on an RAF plane during Gulf War 1. "Buster Gonad and his unfeasibly large testicles "

Another fun fact, us that live in the area of the Ouachita River & National Forest pronouns it "wash-itaw." I'm not sure if it's correct but it's been spoken that way for over a hundred years lol. I'm sure that it's just a bad translation of a Native American word meaning "big hunting ground," or "silver water" depending on the area of the tribe. Great vid, I love these old planes!

Watching BBC "The Way We Were" about American AF in UK. This info fits nicely. Thanks for posting. 🇨🇦

They cannabilized double trouble for parts.

Remember Pearl Harbor. “December 7, 1941. A date which will live in infamy…” -Theodore Roosevelt Lest We Forget. Keep up the great work TJ! I can’t wait for your next interview video!

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@johndilday1846

5 ай бұрын

Uh….Franklin Delano Roosevelt, or FDR. Not Theodore. Theodore would have led the fight personally to defeat the Axis, and would have used saltier language.

Those b-17s nose art look amazing just like the British B-17 Sally B great work TJ3. In fact since with the Masters of the air coming out next month could you do the documentary history about the 100th bomb group aka (The bloody 100th)

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

Thank you! It's on my to do list ;)

@sandyflint2579

5 ай бұрын

I have original photos of Shanghi Lil', Low Blow, Fickle Finger, and more from my great uncle..

That takes guts knowing any day might be your last.

You need to include the Humpty Dumpty. This nose art is featured in a number of Nose Art publications. The Humpty Dumpty was part of the Bloody 100th, 8th Air Corp, based out of Thorpes Abbott in England. By the way, this was my father's B17. Lt. Luther G. Bennett.

The Airacobra was not the most popular among US pilots, yet it had some great nosearts. Air-A-Cutie was one of them. But the best aircraft for noseart is the P-40 for me. I never can really decide which one I love more, the shark mouth of the Flying Tigers, or the skull of the Burma Banshee?

Outstanding video and presentation.

Noise art is a very unique to the US air corps in ww2. It would be pretty cool to display them as much as possible. Thanks bud 🍻

@white-dragon4424

15 күн бұрын

USAF bombers still have nose art, even B-1 Lancers.

A new TJ3 video! What a great way to start the day. Another wonderful job TJ. Please Keep 'em Flyin.

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

Thank you!!

you should check out the B-25 Mitchell "Ink Squirts". Maybe do a vid on some Medium Bombers, as there are quite a few interesting stories they would have to tell.

Definitely liking the nose art an story of what became of the aircraft

Great content, nose art was often a amazing identifier as to the soul of its crew ! Thank you

7:21 that always unsettles me… seeing the machine while not acknowledging the human violence smacks of psychopathy

I was hoping to see my Great Uncle Bobby Rast’s B-17G “The Nutcracker” it has 2 female angles pushing a nutcracker with Stalin, Hitler and Mousillinis (sp) heads in the middle. it’s a great story and his aircraft has been in a few books. I have the original photo taken above him doing photo-recon and caught her being hit by flak over Naples and the outboard wing was blown off and she was hit in the belly as well. I can let you in on it if you wanted to do a story. I have the only known picture of the nose art

WOW, way cool. You are documenting a lot of information for the history.

Great video! I'd like to see more nose art stories. Thanks for another great history lesson.

My father’s B-24 was to be called The B.T.O.s, The Big Time Operators, but they were shot down before the nose art could be applied.

Great stories! And the videos were fantastic! The realism portrayed in the animations brought the stories to life...WOW!!

This is the best AI presenter ever, he really almost looks real. Well done!

@TJ3

3 ай бұрын

I have no idea why everyone thinks I'm AI lol

B-17 is a beautiful aircraft. The nose art on aircrafts is really good. But who was responsible about it? Who chose the name and art ?

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

This varied greatly! But the artists were almost always grounds crew members.

@hariszark7396

5 ай бұрын

@@TJ3 yeah ok but in case of a bomber, that means multiple crew members, who was the name giver and chose the art? The captain? All of them? Because nose art seemed very personal.

@richardmontgomery7221

4 ай бұрын

The original crew creating the nose art would collaborate and choose the art. It was a crew decision and vote, although the command pilot held "tie-breaker" authority !

@hariszark7396

4 ай бұрын

@@richardmontgomery7221 thank you,

Great subject matter as always TJ3. I've enjoyed your vids of a number of years now. This one in particular reminded me of a set of 1/48 Pyn-up decals I have in my stash for Double Trouble... The next ship on my build list 😁 👌

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

Very cool :) Thanks!

Breman is pronounced 'Brem-man'. FYI on the outskirts of Cambridge England is the US cemetary to 3811 who died upon returning from bomber missions over europe with the 8th AF. Cambridge university donated 30 acres of land in honour to those Americans who gave their lives, a total of 26,000 were kia with the 8th AF between 1942 to 1945

Ouchita, in the region of the “mountain range” in Arkansas/Oklahoma, is pronounced wash-it-ah.

Great job ...fantastic history...love to more on the nose art.. .

I remember nose art called rabid rabbit. It featured Bugs bunny toting a browning machine gun. I dont remember if it was on a B 17, or a B 25, or another type.

Thanks for your hard work. Enjoyed this video immensely.

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Another excellent video! Thanks!

love the war art, i had a book on it when i was younger

Wonderful stories, thank you.

Ouachita is the parish in North La. that Selman Field is located in where they trained navigators and pilots. Parish high school was Ouachita (Wash-I-Taw). Ouachita river flows through parish.

Would love to hear you talk about my favorite nose art on the B-24 Paoli Local, was base on the Pennsylvanian Railroad

My favourite here in the UK is obviously Sally B. It played Memphis Belle in the 1990 film of the same name. Obviously the real Memphis Belle is in a museum in America.

The correct pronunciation for “Miss Ouachita “ Is “Wash-ah-ta” It’s an Indian tribe and a Mountain Range in Arkansas

That was a great video. My goodness they were brave men

You know, there were B-17s with great nose art that did survive the war, like Bit o' Lace, Memphis Belle, and the Fortress my uncle, a ball turret gunner, flew on, Miami Clipper.

Ouachita, besides being a National Forrest that runs through Arkansas and Louisiana, is also the name of a local Indian Tribe from that region.

Ouchita (pronounced wash-ee-tah) was a tribe of Indians mostly in the area of west Arkansas. The Ouchita River is named after the tribe. The Ouchita and the Wichita (pronounced witch-ee-tah) tribes were related. Both names meant "people living along the river in their native languages.

As these are historical videos, your animaters should know that Multi engine prop planes 'feather' the propeller so the blade slices into the wind to reduce drag upon engine failure.

not too far in the future, you will need a Ouija board to interview a WW2 Veteran . the youngest are in their mid 90's

Thank you so much for these dope videos...ww2 bombers are my favorite subject and the B-17 and the B-24 are my most favorite airplanes...u should cover which nose art is the best from each airforce...like the 15th af or planes from the 8th af

My favorite…. “Squat ‘n Dumpit” from the 8th af

Great video. I love nose art and jacket art. These gave the young crews an identity. Thanks. Maybe do one on jacket art. Thanks for this. Very good quality vid. As a side note, some of the nose art was done by animators working for Disney and Warner Bros etc. prior to the war.

Great video! Love your channel!

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

Thank you! :)

Can you find more about a B24, Smitty my great Uncle , buried in Belgium, David F. Leahy, tail gunner,

Thumbnail was of a B-24 Liberator, I know, my dad was a navigator on one out of New Guinea!

One of the things they used to do sometimes - was Wax the aircraft. They'd put wax on it just like on a car to make it slicker so it would be a little bit faster. This may have been done more on Fighters as waxing a bomber would be a lot of effort - especially since you had to redo it more often. Glossy paint cut down in the drag of the aircraft but was more reflective - so you could see light glancing off of the shiny paint. So - if they wanted to make the aircraft harder to see - they used flat paint. Early in the war - they were more concerned with aircraft survival so they wanted them to be harder to see - but - as the war went on - they wanted the enemy to attack them - so they could destroy the enemy and had long range fighters escorting the bombers by then. B-29's during WWII and Korea shifted to Night Missions - so the Japanese & North Koreans would find it harder to engage them. Japan and North Korea had little in the way of the air defense network the Germans had with their Radar, Night Fighters and AAA. Here - they would paint the bottom of the B-29 gloss black but the top would still be bare metal. One thing about shiny aircraft - is it could reflect light into the pilots eyes - so - if an aircraft was mostly bare metal - they would often paint flat green or flat black - those areas of the aircraft that could reflect light to the pilots eyes. The American Navy was much more disciplined than the Air Force - so - while there were unit markings on their aircraft - so you could readily see which unit it belonged to - they didn't like personalization. Art was very rare and names almost so. The Naval Aviators had to take off from and land on a ship moving on the ocean - so - they were deadly serious about all of it. Once - during Vietnam - they attacked EKG's to pilots that recorded their heart rates during the mission. The thing that spiked them? Night Carrier Landings. Even more than combat - landing on a carrier at night was a much more stressful act. .

Yarnhub has a video wherein two B-17s piggybacked each other in flight.

These graphics are terrific, TJ!! Jim C.

A amazing job and a amazing video.

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

Thank you!

More nose art please

checked my pics, ive got a b-17 heavenly body, but its got different artwork so likely another aircraft. ironic twist concerning liberty belle, her modern counterpart was forced to land off runway in a field due to an engine fire. the pilot managed and excellent wheels down landing and everyone was able to evacuate the aircraft. however the shows fire chief was worried hed get his precious firetrucks stuck in the slightly muddy field so basically sat by and watched this historic aircraft burn up. now in my eyes, an historic b-17 is worth more than any firetruck, let alone on just being stuck. i think it was a travesty the fire chief basically just sat and watched something historic as a b-17 burn.

More nose art would be great. Also, some coverage of B25s and B26s and P38s would be wonderful.

@TJ3 I am very proud to say I earned some more money than usual this week, and so I increased my $10 pledge from about 3 weeks ago to a $25 today for that documentary you plan to make. Godspeed man, I hope the best for you and your team.

Great Video 😊

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

Thanks! 😊

Great story TJ!!

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

Thanks Ted!

I'd like to see more nose art please. As much as you would care to make of any and all aircraft

Great video...👍

Loved the video. Fighter art next

@TJ3

5 ай бұрын

Thanks!