Just so you know, the Spitfire you show flying ID letters WX-F, is my father at the controls, Polish fighter pilot Witold ‘Lanny’ Lanowski, who ironically was also a thunderbolt ace with the 56th FG ‘Zemke’s Wolfpack’

@Wilett614

11 ай бұрын

Hubert Zemke was an Incredible Pilot and Commander ... He adored the P 47 s along with my friend Gabby Gabreski : )

@kryslanowski1043

11 ай бұрын

When Zemke left the 56th to join the 479th, Dave Schilling took over as 56th CO. It was Schilling that opted to remain with the 47 rather than switch to mustangs. Zemke was actually annoyed with Schilling when he found out. Zemke would have preferred 51’s. The 56th pilots actually started transition to 51’s in early 45 when they were having problems with the 47M’s which almost got all ‘M’s grounded for good

@michaeltelson9798

11 ай бұрын

It is a shame what the PAF did to your father. Francis Gabreski inviting him and the other few Polish to join them was certainly unique. That the PAF wouldn’t pay your father, but the 56th crews gathering funds for him shows the friendships built up among them.

@jeffreyhanshawsr4884

11 ай бұрын

WHAT A GREAT AMERICAN YOUR FATHER WAS...

@michaeltelson9798

11 ай бұрын

@@jeffreyhanshawsr4884 Although, he was a talented fighter pilot and earned ace status. He never was formally in the USAAF and actually didn’t get paid. His squadron mates would give him money from their own pockets. After the war, he would get into the RAF. I might need correction here, but one of his duties was test piloting. His citizenship would change from Polish to British. A great man but sadly not an American, though he served with our troops.

In the 90's I had a neighbor who was a Hellcat pilot in WWII and 50's test pilot. I once asked him, if he could pick a WWII fighter to fly in the war, which would he chose. I expected him to say the F6F Hellcat or the P-51, but instead he said, "The Thunderbolt." I asked why and he said, "It'd get you home."

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

Not in the G/A role it would not.

@AndyFromBeaverton

11 ай бұрын

@@jacktattis Maybe you watched this video with the mute on?

@jacktattis

11 ай бұрын

@@AndyFromBeaverton Possibly I do that now and then I will go back and watch it with the sound up and will get back to you.

@jacktattis

11 ай бұрын

@@AndyFromBeaverton Superb in the G/A it is easy to see that this bloke did no research 2600 plus lost in that role Fantastically fast in the dive NO IT WAS NOT It had a T/M of 0.72 and according to US tests 520 mph IAS @10000ft 450mph IAS @ 20000ft is NOT fast When they did the tests in feb 44 at Farnborough from 40000ft full bore it was buggered at 0.72 which was not that far down This from a test at Farnborough to compare the PRXI and the Mustang P51 with the Allison which had a laminar flow wing At the conclusion the Mustang dived from 28000ft and The Spit from 40000ft The results were Spit T/M 0.89 @ 29000 ft from 40000ft the Mustang T/M 0.80 @17000ft from 28000ft the P47 took part later but the pilot found it went out of control early and he had to use the dive recovery flap down A later test revealed the P47 t/m WAS 0.72

@jacktattis

11 ай бұрын

I did go back and the answer is Below

Dad flew the P40, P47 and P51 in WWII! In Europe. The '47 was the one he loved. He said it was the most stable gun platform of the 3 and it would take a tremendous amount of battle damage.

@jjhpor

8 ай бұрын

Yeah. read Robert Johnson's autobiography "Thunderbolt". Johnson was, as I recall, a #1 Ace in Europe and has a beautiful description of turning back from a raid because of engine trouble and getting "found" by a FW-190 just before entering English airspace. The German flew behind him and peppered him with cannon fire repeatedly while Johnson just huddled in his armor and let the slugs hit. Just before the English coast the German pulled up along side, looked at Johnson, shrugged his shoulders, saluted and turned around. The book has a photo of the plane after he landed. I read that story over 40 years ago and it is still fresh in my mind.

@tomryannova

6 ай бұрын

The P-47 sounds like a high flying P-40. Same kind of dynamics.

@jacktattis

3 ай бұрын

@@jjhpor Cannon No 7.92 Bullets yes

My granddad flew a P-47 Thunderbolt in Europe WW2, bubble canopy , he told my dad, he would fly straight at the German BF 109s, and FW 190s, and they would always peel off, because the 47 was a wrecking machine with heavy armor and 50 cal guns and cannons, and it always brought him home. HE LOVED THAT PLANE

@garybulwinkle82

Жыл бұрын

It had eight 50 caliber machine guns!

@michaelmancini5773

Жыл бұрын

@@garybulwinkle82 The later variant with bubble canopy ( the 590 P-47D-25s), had outer wing 50s swapped out for cannons.

@touristguy87

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmancini5773 I'd never ever heard that the p47 had cannons. Ever. Even if 1 model did that would still be just one and post 1944 that model waa almost certainly not deployed in significant #s and a US built 20 mm cannon on the outboard positions would be near useless. It might carry what, 20 rounds? And be prone to jam and fire way off the centerline anyway at a low firing rate when it did fire. While Nazi fighters with cannon had them on the nose firing straight forward. The only advantage the p47 had in frontal attacks was that massive radial engine. The p47 might have been more difficult to shoot down but do you seriously believe that none were ever shot down? That they always got the pilot home?

@michaeldavid6284

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmancini5773 Wrong. The P-47 was never armed with cannon in the wings.

@martinbrode7131

Жыл бұрын

Only in planes flown by mental low flyers. 😂

My dad made these planes in Farmingdale, Long Island for Republic Aviation from 1942-1945. God rest his soul.

@toldyouso5588

11 ай бұрын

Truly the battle hymn of the Republic when it fires all it's guns and rockets.

@sillyone52062

11 ай бұрын

Winning the war required a team effort. The pilots got all of the glory, but behind those stalwart men, were literally thousands of people getting that pilot and his aircraft into combat over Europe.

@johndilday1846

11 ай бұрын

My mother and her parents worked at the Republic Aircraft plant in Evansville, IN making P-47s during the war. They were there for the duration of the war. My mother worked on the radios and instruments, and her parents installed the skins on the exterior. I can still remember seeing a publicity still of the machine guns being sighted in at the factory with 8 streams of tracer bullets converging at the preset distance at the target.

@taylorwhiting5732

11 ай бұрын

It was a tough decision between the Aviation Museum and Republics Museum when we were tight on time when my family and I were at long Island. We went to the aviation one instead because they had a P47 otherwise both places are excellent. We know where to go next time!

@lawrencelewis2592

11 ай бұрын

My father kept his Stinson Voyageur at Republic back in the 1970s. I flew out of there with him many times. I recall when it became Fairchild Hiller, not sure what became of the plant after that.

My dad few the P47. He was an instructor in aerial combat in 44-45....training new pilots how to dogfight. He told me the strategy was not to engage in a dogfight if you could help it, but rather make diving passes at your enemy. Taking advantage of the speed and firepower, while avoiding planes that were more agile with tighter turning radius. And whatever you didn't hit/kill, couldn't follow you because of the speed.

@lqr824

Жыл бұрын

at higher altitude, the P-47 had the power reserves to turn where Wehrmacht aircraft needed all the power just to go straight. Above a certain altitude the German prop aircraft had zero chance (except the Ta-152, so rare it basically didn't exist).

@gar6446

Жыл бұрын

Wise tactics. Fight your fight, not your opponents.

@fanatamon

Жыл бұрын

Cool.

@seanm2511

Жыл бұрын

@@lqr824 That's is really it in my opinion. The P-47 killed experienced Luftwaffe pilots when it counted in late 1943 and early 1944 due to two factors; a) its superior speed at high altitude where the fighting happened, and b) greater numbers. Once the experienced Luftwaffe pilots were gone the air war was not over but it's drift was irreversible. Other fighter aircraft, while good, did not make the same critical difference at the same time.

@tyree9055

Жыл бұрын

Basically, they used the same tactics for the P-47 that were developed for the P-40 over China (with the Flying Tigers).

The paddle-bladed propeller introduced in early 1944 (which was mentioned at about 7:09) went a long way to solving the sluggish climb issue. So much so that a lot of German pilots, who had trained to climb steeply away upon finding a jug on their tails, were in for a nasty surprise.

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHA wHAT NASTY SURPRISE ?

@Hibernicus1968

Жыл бұрын

@@jacktattis That just climbing away will no longer shake off the pursuing Thunderbolt. Duh.

@nunyadambidniss

Жыл бұрын

@@Hibernicus1968 Not to mention that EIGHT guns was perhaps a bit much... Reducing it down to six shaved off some weight &one could also do a polish&wax job that smoothed the rough skin so much it'd add another 20+ MPH to the top speed :)

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

@@Hibernicus1968 Mate the Bf109K would be up there waiting with enough time to have a Bavarian Mud Cake and Schnaps

@robertpullen3726

Жыл бұрын

It could not outclimb a ta152 which was also faster as well.

I am proud to say, I knew Earl Rodman. P-47 pilot extraordinaire. When fueling his old Aztec or Cessna 340, I got him to tell me a few of his exploits in his "Jug". An amazing pilot at 86 years old, I often wondered at what his youthful prowess would have been. His record of air to air kills and ground attack deliveries was dramatic, at the least, and heroic at the most. He transitioned to the P-51D, and said it felt like going from driving a truck, to driving a sports car. An amazing man, on film actually, talking about the P-47. I wish I could remember the show's title. He and two of his squadron mates tell a few stories. They all spoke of the water injection at 72psi manifold pressure, and how the engine would cough and sputter, before growling hugely and torqueing the airframe. Many young pilots got killed, rotating off the ground before the engine had come to full power, and rolling them into the ground. I just wanted to say to a world-wide audience, "Earl Rodman was a great American, great pilot, and a faithful believer in the American Republic, that fought to, literally, save the world. Thank you, Sir.

@jacktattis

7 ай бұрын

The American Republic NEVER fought to save the world You were attacked by the Japanese and Hitler declared War on you. Compare that to the Canadians Kiwis Australians who were in it right from the START 1939 in fact

My great uncle was shot down in his Thunderbolt over Denmark flying bomber escort. He was found by the Dutch Resistance and died a few days later on a farmer's couch. The farmer's wife sent some of his items to my great grandmother. He is buried in an Allied cemetery in France.

@josephstevens9888

8 ай бұрын

That is an interesting story. Has anyone in your family had the chance to visit your great uncle's grave?

@briankoenig8923

8 ай бұрын

@@josephstevens9888 unfortunately, no.

@glenangel3636

3 ай бұрын

@@briankoenig8923 I have had the honor to visit the allied cemeteries in France. They are beautifully maintained and to this day the French respectfully visit and honor the soldiers. I have seen more French paying respects to the American dead at the French cemeteries than I usually see at the American national cemeteries. (I have been to several and visit my fathers grave regularly). I hope you have the opportunity to visit your father's grave some day.

@jackthorton10

3 ай бұрын

That is, very touching indeed

@kimrnhof107

2 ай бұрын

I would have expected him to be found by the Danish Resistance, there´s a long way from Denmark to Holland - you have to go through Germany ?? are you sure he was shot down over Denmark ? That's a long way from England - - The book "Skudt ned flystyrt I Danmark 1939-45" (Shoot down, airplane crashes in Denmark 1939-1945 ) is an account of the airplanes and the air war over Denmark during the entire European war, it does unfortunately not have a summing up of all shoot down. My father flew Spits during the war - but they could not make it to Denmark and back. But in 45 he flew P51 and they could, he was hit by flack over Denmark, but made it home with bullet holes though the cockpit (one in front and one behind him - talk of luck) , one aileron damaged and 1/4 of one propeller blade shoot of, the trip home very scary and very slow and very shaky - the rest of the squadron flew protecting circles around him, and they sent extra planes from England to ensure he was properly protected all the way home !!

Worked in a convalescent home back in the 80's, when the WWII vets were entering the homes in large numbers. As an amateur historian I loved speaking to them about their experiences, of which many of them were finally willing to speak. One vet, an old P-47 mechanic, told me the story of how the P-47's early on used to get shot up by flack pretty badly on night missions. He recalled him and other ground crew looking up one night as they formed up overhead and realizing, for the first time, that they could all clearly see flames from the exhaust stacks, making it easy to visually locate the aircraft in the dark. He said they quickly figured out a field-expedient fix that was refined and incorporated on the assembly line. Sounded like he was telling me a true historical occurrence.

@billdurham8477

2 ай бұрын

I love your post. The German night fighter pilots could see the exhaust flames of Lancasters 2 miles away after the radar vectored them in. Or they homed in on Monica, the rearward radar jammer, until they saw the exhaust flames.

@danraymond1253

Ай бұрын

Not to discredit your story or the vet you were talking to, but are you sure the plane he was talking about was the P-47? Because the P-47 was not a night fighting plane, and to my knowledge, *never* flew any night missions. If they did, the number was very few, and they didn't carry radar, so it must've been dusk at most I'm thinking.

@luigivincenz3843

Ай бұрын

one of my Filipino nurse friends who is retired said the same thing. Back in early 90's, he was at this nursing home and it was a mix of actors and vets. One was a pilot who was shot down and spent time at a Stalag. You wont read this in history books but the Germans would actually have an intelligence network in the US who collected small city newspapers about weddings, baptisms, high school dances and send millions of clipping to Germany so they knew who the pilots were regardless of how small the city they came from.

The P-47 arguably broke the back of the _Luftwaffe_ in '43 and early '44. It should also be noted that with the introduction of the 'paddle bladed' airscrew, the climb disadvantage disappeared. Besides the water injection, the Allies also had the huge advantage of better, higher octane fuel which allowed pilots to wring the most power from their engines.

@rogersmith7396

Жыл бұрын

The 47 had a state of the art turbo supercharger. The R 2800 was no where as good in other planes. Its one of the reasons the plane is so big. The supercharger takes up a lot of space. The 2800 was used as a stop gap in B 26 and was not very good. It was designed to have a more powerful engine but they were not available going to the B 29.

@petesheppard1709

Жыл бұрын

@@rogersmith7396 True, and that turbosupercharger was one of the main reasons the Jug was so big. Actually, the R-2800 was widely use in other aircraft, particularly fighters, such as the F6F Hellcat and F4U Corsair. Of course, the supercharger arrangement was different, so performance envelopes were different.

@rogersmith7396

Жыл бұрын

@@petesheppard1709 Gregg put out a vid yesterday on the B 26 using that engine and detailed how sub par it was in that application. I don't think of him as God but he gets into a lot of the legends and clarifies them. He did a simulator where he was in a 47 fighting a 190 and he had a rather easy time bringing down the German. I always assumed the 47 was a lousy fighter but that is apparently not the case. It probably has fairly reasonable wing loading. It was just so different than any other countries planes.

@petesheppard1709

Жыл бұрын

@@rogersmith7396 I started watching the video and I'm about to finish it. I was a bit surprised with his assessment; I have always considered the Marauder to be a bit better than the B-25. I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of it!

@rogersmith7396

Жыл бұрын

@@petesheppard1709 See Greggs review of the B 26 from yesterday. It was designed to go over 400 mph and outrun fighters. It had the low drag, low lift Davis wing. The problem was they could'nt get the designed engine due to the war and could only get the low power R 2800. It could barely clear 300 mph which was a small improvement of the older B 25. The B 25 flew like a baby buggy, the 26 was twitchy and dangerous for the novice pilot due to the low lift wing. They added wing length to try to help but it was all designed for 400 mph not 300. Otherwise it was a great design. Something like a big load carrying Mosquito.

My friend's father flew Spitfires, one day he told me and his son the story on how he got shot down in a flak trap, and was saved from being shot out his parachute by a flight of Thunderbolts. He had the most respect for Thunderbolt pilots.

My grandfather was in the US 4th Infantry Division during WW2 and said the Thunderbolt was his favorite airplane. He said that whenever those came over he know that his unit was going to be OK and the enemy was going to have a bad day.

I never realized just how absolutely massive the P-47 is!

I'm in Sydney Australia. I recently had a privilege of watching a Thunderbolt do a flyover in the suburb of campbelltown with other single seater fighters of the same era. They were flying formation, to where I don't know, but the Thunderbolt was easily and unmistakenly recognisable, and TWICE the size of the other fighters. Everyone in the town center stopped, looked up, and then stood watching this. She's a Beastial Goliath, and worthy of her stature. "Edited" She was in the 2nd row, flying V, and she literally dwarfed everything around her in size, She is a complete monster compared to others in scale. If you get a chance, go see one. You'll get it.

@theusher2893

9 ай бұрын

It's shocking to see an actual size difference in person. The P47 was indeed a big girl and the engine is an absolute beast

Gabby Gabresky flying the "JUG" was my childhood hero back in the '60s. What a pilot, What a plane!

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

Wow Gabby with 26.??? Gee we had Hurricane pilots with more against a better enemy

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

Well Gabby was 30+ behind a RAF pilot flying a Hurricane Read up about Pat Pattle

@scootergeorge7089

11 ай бұрын

@@jacktattis High scoring US pilots were pulled from combat and brought back stateside to train replacement and give them the benefit of experience gained in combat. By the way, at the start of the Pacific War, when Hurricanes went up against the A6M Zero. they were decimated despite the fact that they were largely Battle of Brittan veterans.

@jacktattis

11 ай бұрын

@@scootergeorge7089 Yes they were however they learnt and by late 43 the Jap Airforce in Burma was destroyed

@jacktattis

10 ай бұрын

@@scootergeorge7089 Yes and the RAF had been doing that since 1940.41 Johnny Johnson 38 kills was taken off combat early

Thanks for this video. My Dad was a Jug driver in the 404th Fighter Group. They shot up a lot of trains and convoys and other targets of opportunity, as well as providing close support for ground troops. He came back with flak damage and bullet holes a number of times. I'm still in touch with (I think) the last surviving pilot from the 404th. He hopes to make it to Normandy next year when he is 102, eighty years after they flew cover for D-Day.

@josephstevens9888

8 ай бұрын

I hope your Dad makes it back to Normandy as well for the 80th Anniversary of D-Day. I bet he has some interesting stories to tell!

@rodbrown8306

8 ай бұрын

How fast time in this life flies by.

@georgemallory797

7 ай бұрын

God, it seems like just a couple years ago Ronald Reagan was at Normandy to speak at the 40th anniversary of D-Day. It sure goes fast. God bless our Greatest Generation.

@StarBellySneetch

6 ай бұрын

I went to the Normandy beaches last year. It had been a dream of mine for a long time. When we got there it was sunny and tons of people were out there sunbathing.. Definitely different than expected. ha

So proud of the planes. Love them all. So proud of all the airmen, ground crew, staff and support. Thank you to our British cousins for the honor of having a P47 on display. ❤.🇺🇸🇬🇧🇫🇷🇬🇮 honor and respect to all who served.

Duxford is one of my favourite places to visit when in the UK from Australia. Love your work 👍

@gar6446

Жыл бұрын

If your American visiting London, Duxford ,Shutttleworth, and ex 8th airfields are an easy, well worth visit. I'd fit the mosquito museum in too. They're all relatively close together, hire a car and go exploring.

@thethirdman225

2 ай бұрын

@@gar6446Totally agree. I’m also Australian.

They were beasts, and I've always loved their rugged appearance. Not pretty or sleek like spitfires or mustangs, but incredibly effective.

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

They were effective up high but as the fight was coming down below 25000ft /20000ft by Wars end they would have been in trouble. The new altitude is why the Spit MkXVI was built

@jacktattis

10 ай бұрын

@@jzsbff4801 No the Jug had an excellent kill ratio, when it was used up high. When it went to low level G/A etc it was in trouble. It was too large

I saw a video story of a pilot in a damaged P47 where a German fighter came up behind it and shot it to pieces, but it still kept flying. The German pilot flew next to him and shook his head in disbelief that the plane was still flying. Then the German got behind him again and again shot it to smithereens until he was out of ammo, and it still kept flying and made it back to base.

@Wilett614

11 ай бұрын

In Addition to that story , the German was an "Abbeville" Ace , after he expended ALL of his ammo into the "Still Flying" P47 , He flew right up Next to the thunderbolt , Shook his fist , Then SALUTED the Thunderbolt Pilot , then flew away . A True story

@Justanotherconsumer

11 ай бұрын

Similar story with I think it was the Wildcat against a Zero. That was the American design strategy it seemed - get pilots home. By the end of the war they had plenty of surviving experienced pilots who could train others. The best of the German best were increíble, but they were vastly outnumbered by inexperienced rookies. The average American pilot was far better trained and often more experienced.

@ret7army

11 ай бұрын

The American pilot was Robert Johnson, he survived the war as the 2nd highest scoring American ace in the ETO.

@clementevaldez1271

11 ай бұрын

That was ROBERT S. JOHNSON 28 VICTORY ACE...TRUE STORY THE MODEL WAS THE RAZORBACK AND IN MY OPINION IT WAS THE BEST...THE P51 MUSTANG THANKS TO ITS LIQUID COOLED ENGINE COULD AND WAS SHOT DOWN BY RIFLE CALIBER BULLETS...THE "JUG" COULD FLY AND IT DID WITH A PISTON SHOT AWAY BROUGHT YOU BACK TO BASE....

@jacktattis

11 ай бұрын

@@ret7army I read another story from Robert Johnson He claims that he took on a Spitfire IX in a mock fight and beat it. Rubbish No P47 could climb turn or Dive with any Spifire

The Ken Burns documentary about the second world war, simply titled "The War", featured a P47 pilot fairly prominently, his name was Quentin Aanenson. The description of what he went through is harrowing. Flying these may look like fun from this distance but the pilots really went through hell.

@danilorainone406

Жыл бұрын

a great guy,left the war w nightmares and shaky hands when pouring coffee

@matrox

Жыл бұрын

Yeh..I seen dat.

@nickmitsialis

11 ай бұрын

Aaneson had his own 2 hour documentary on PBS; just recollections of him and his wife back in the States. I think it was called 'A Fighter Pilot's Story'.

@jacktattis

10 ай бұрын

Bloody hell Harrowing A pilot? hot food every night, a bed ,warm clothes, warm billet Try having a soldiers life My uncle from NZ went away in 1940 did not get back to 1945 Went through North Africa and was in Italy until the end

@Montycat78

9 ай бұрын

@@jacktattis it’s not a competition.

The later Thunderbolts like the one shown with paddle blade prop and water injection had excellent climb rates. It took that prop to effectively couple all the horsepower and make thrust out of it.

@jacktattis

10 ай бұрын

What is excellent? because at the last tests I have seen in 1944 the Jug was 3180 ft/min

@nattybumpo7156

4 ай бұрын

@@jacktattis D-20 and later would climb with a spitfire at lo altitude and walk away from it from middle to high altitude.

@jacktattis

4 ай бұрын

@@nattybumpo7156 Unless it can beat 5740 ft/min to 5000ft and 5080ft/min to 15000ft it was not in the hunt. JL165 Spit IX Hucknall Oct 43 Merlin 66 25lbs boost, things like this not that the D20 could climb with the Spit Verifiable Reports my friend

@thethirdman225

2 ай бұрын

@@nattybumpo7156 Load of rubbish.

Very nice and respectful video on the Republic P-47 Thunderbolt. Thank you for sharing. The P-47 is my all time favorite fighter plane of WWII. It was the predecessor of what defines a multi role fighter today. Granted its not the sexy beast a P-51 Mustang certainly is, but the Thunderbolt earned its reputation as a rugged fighter that could mix it up with the best of them, come home and crews loved it. Many feel the P-51Mustang stole some of the credit the Thunderbolt really deserved early in the airwar when the German Luftwaffe was more of a serious threat.

@rogersmith7396

Жыл бұрын

The razorbacks are unpleasant looking. The Ds look great. It was derived from the p 36.

@OPFlyFisher304

Жыл бұрын

P-47 is the plane most responsible to Air Superiority of Western Europe, unless you count the B-17s and B-24 the Luftwaffe were forced to come up to fight.

@huck69

Жыл бұрын

@rogersmith7396 I think you meant the p35, as the p36 is a Curtiss design that later led to the p40, the Severesky p35 and later Republic p43 are the predecessor to p47

@jimfinlaw4537

Жыл бұрын

The Republic P-47M model was the fastest production piston powered fighter plane of WWII. It had a war emergency power that provided it with a top speed of 487 mph at 25,000 feet thanks to its 2,800 horsepower Pratt & Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp engine with methanol water injection. They arrived too late to see much action in the European Theater, but they did actually saw combat in the Pacific Theater of Operations against the Japanese. The P-47M was a further development of the Republic XP-47J Superbolt, which had achieved a top speed of 505 mph during testing. Both shared the same engine and methanol water injection system. The P-47M was heavier than the XP-47J Superbolt was, because the XP-47J was armed with only six 50 cals in the wings, whereas the P-47M had eight 50 cals in the wings, extra armour plate, which is why it was slower than the XP-47J Superbolt was.

@rogersmith7396

Жыл бұрын

@@huck69 My bad.

I helped restore the p47 in the American Air museum at Duxford. Way back in the early 90s as a volunteer at the time.

@thethirdman225

2 ай бұрын

I have a great photo I took of that machine on the ground in 1991. I also spoke to the crew chief at the time who was a young woman. Never got her name. Maybe you worked with her.

We owe our aircraft so much, back then and today, thunderbolt was a shredder, my uncle Jack flew the F4 phantom in Vietnam when I was a kid, I loved that plane, great info and commentary. Thank you 🇺🇸

P47 and B26 and A26 made a great team for the 9th. Great escort for medium bombers as P47s were always in the vicinity. B26s took out larger targets and P47s took out smaller targets. Uncle flew B26 and A26 over France and Germany.

But.... The FASTEST piston engined fighter of WWII, (as well as the only one to exceed 500mph) was a P 47 J. I don´t think this clip from the IWM really gives the bird justice. It also had an exceptional roll rate. As for the ruggedness, as they used to say at the time, "if you want to impress your girlfriend, fly a P51 (Mustang) but if you want to see her again, fly a P47¨. My late Uncle Solon Kelley flew these with the 56th FG 1944-45. (he survived the war)

@rogersmith7396

Жыл бұрын

The TA 152 was slightly faster but it was experimental.

@blusnuby2

Жыл бұрын

A 'Razorback' Jug, fully loaded---with drop tank, bombs & rockets---was one hellish brute to behold. ""BAD BOY"" says it all....Big Salute to your Uncle Kelley, from this humble & Appreciative American.

@bicbouy4126

Жыл бұрын

Dornier Do 335

@itsjohndell

Жыл бұрын

@@bicbouy4126 Twin engine, never mass produced. Not a comparison.

@bicbouy4126

Жыл бұрын

@@itsjohndell I was replying to tarikwildman’s comment “the fastest piston engine fighter of WW2” There’s no mention of how many engines

If I ever go back to England, this museum will be on top of the list of places to go.

Thank you for you overview of an amazing aircraft. I was privileged to serve in a supporting role for the A-10A Thunderbolt, and can attest to it's ability to both deal and accept punishment. Love your content!

For those that want even more on the p47 Greg’s Airplanes and Automobile’s has a fantastic series on it. It helped me really love the thunderbolt. It was a great high altitude fighter with its turbocharger that contributed to the body being so large.

@peterbellini6102

8 ай бұрын

Hands down Greg is the best WW2 analyst around. And he said the Jug was IT !

@jacktattis

7 ай бұрын

@@peterbellini6102 Greg has ignored three WW2 tests that show the P47 did not have all those attributes he claims they had.

@peterbellini6102

7 ай бұрын

@@jacktattis He did 8 parts with cited sources, so in my mind, it was pretty exhaustive. You should list the tests you feel he omitted in the P-47 Thunderbolt - Pt. 8 Conclusions video in the comments.

@johngregory4801

2 ай бұрын

​@@jacktattisWere those tests early in the war or were they the final word in Thunderbolt capabilities and drawbacks? There was a lot of work done to improve the Jug throughout the war.

@thethirdman225

2 ай бұрын

No. DON’T watch Greg’s video series on the P-47 if you want a proper understanding of the air war over Germany from early 1943 to the end of the war. Greg has read no history whatsoever and relies entirely on performance charts. He quite literally doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I know because I’ve had the debate with him and he backed down. Then he deleted my comments. Greg has apparently accepted a challenge from historian James William ‘Bill’ Marshall to debate him some time in April. This was after he actually banned Marshall from posting anything on his channel. His theories are crackpot and paranoid and easily riposted. He seems to have no idea of the actual history of USAAF operations, preferring to rely solely on test data and the idiotic notion that the USAAF senior commanders were trying their best to get everyone killed to further ‘doctrine’ (might as well call it communism…). Greg is a historian of military equipment, rather than a historian. They are related and overlapping but they are far from the same thing. He’s managed to convince a whole generation of gullible people - mostly American gamers who don’t read books - that there was a conspiracy against the Thunderbolt and it has since become one of the biggest sources of disinformation on aircraft on the internet.

My pop was a Ball Turret Gunner, AKA Belly Gunner on a B-17 crew at the end of the war. He said his buds on the crews called the P-47 escorts Big Brother, and the P-51 Little Brother.

Awesome video!

My dad was a radio repairman and worked on B17s P47s and P51s. He told me how a 47 had returned with ears of corn inside the cowling. The pilot had fly low, he was being attacked. Robert Johnson fly the 47 and it was a fearsome beast above 20,000.

This is my favorite plane and one of my favorite pilots and top American ace of WWII in the ETO, ...Gabby Gabreski, flew one of these beasts with excellence. Thanks for the documentary report, ..well done.

@paulmiddleton4215

Жыл бұрын

his plane's name---HUN HUNTER

@jackthorton10

3 ай бұрын

Heheheh… I like his moxie

My great uncle James Earl Hack flew the P47 over Germany. 22years old, over 40 missions.

My grandfather was the turret gunner on a B-25 flying out of North Africa during the war. Years ago I asked him what his favorite fighter of the war was, and he told me the P-47. He loved it when they were escorted by Jugs.

One of my favorites too! Love the Corsair as well.

When the Jug got the paddle-propeller (44?) the climbing speed vastly improved.

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

Not that much

@danraymond1253

Жыл бұрын

@@jacktattis it did improve by quite a respectable amount. It made a bigger improvement on engines with more power, due to the increased percentage in excess power. Thus, it helped even more on the D-25 and later, as they had 2,600 horsepower. The P-47 was still likely out-climbed at low altitude, though by a much smaller margin than in the past. At high altitude nothing could climb with it except the Spitfire Mk IX and some late 109s, but then you also had the P-47M, that could out-climb them. So yes, it helped a lot. The P-47 always had a good zoom-climb as well, which would help it a lot in aerial fights.

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

@@danraymond1253 These are various tests from 1942 to 0ct44 Jun18 -42 A.C. No 41-5902------- 2564ft/min to 5000ft Sept 7-42 A.C. No 41-5937 -------2330 ft/min to 15000 ft Dec 6-42 A.C. No 41- 5942 ------2700ft/min to 10000ft 28 Sep 43 P47D A.C. No 42- 74616 -------- 2305ft/min to 5000ft 11 Oct 43 P47D-10 A.C. No 43-75035 ------ 2870ft/min to 5000ft 06 Oct 44 P47D No Aircraft Number 3180 ft/min And apart from the P47M/N the last was the best climb rate achieved So the engine tweaks, water injection, Paddle Props did not really do that much However the Zoom climb was good

@thethirdman225

Ай бұрын

@@danraymond1253 The P_47 played no significant role in the war. It can be dismissed as an irrelevance. Either way, the P-47 was soundly thrashed in climb by most late model Spitfires. Against the Mk XIV, it wasn't even close.

Great Report! Duxford must be like going back in time!

I had the pleasure of pulling TDY at one of those RAF bases in East Anglia. The hospitality of the people there was wonderful and quite memorable.

I had a metal toy one when I was 8, I loved that toy. Everything I've ever flown has been an aircooled engine since. Spit is still my favoutite. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.

I did a presentation on this aircraft and it's engine for my class. It's a great aircraft.

I might suggest added subtitles in the future for the audio from WW2 veterans. The audio quality makes it difficult to hear. Other than that, love the video! I greatly enjoy watching IWM videos with my breakfast.

I live in the town where the Thunderbolts were built. It's so much fun watching videos of the history of that plane. One of the last remaining ones (Tarheel Hal) just came to our Wartime Museum.

Graham's standing beside the Spit and the Jug was an eye opener!

I really like the P47. I worked with a veteran pilot who flew on D Day. He alone survived the attack on trains munitions. He flew the P51 also but preferred the P47.

I watched an episode of "Dog Fights" back in 2006 or '07 that had actual pilots talking about their combat experiences in various WW2, Korea, and Vietnam aircraft and a Thunderbolt pilot talked of how a German at his six was shooting at him unchallenged while he was limping his damaged P-47 home. He peppered the Jug with all he had but eventually ran out of bullets and let him go.

I'm glad you mentioned about Unstrapping and running around, inside the "Plane", not only to avoid bullets, but to patch holes. I've heard that story many times. Yes the P-47, was not pretty, but she did a job. But do not forget the P-38. It was a beast in ground attack role also. I like your channel.

Beautiful presentation about a beautiful aircraft - the Jug.

This plane was much larger and more expensive than the P-51 Mustang. It made sense for the USAAF to switch to the Mustang for that reason. If the Mustang had not been available, we would have been just fine with the P-47. In many ways it was a superior plane.

@lqr824

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. But it wasn't just the cost of the aircraft, you also needed 50% more fuel than the Mustang, so 50% more tanker trucks, 50% more tanker boats, etc. etc. The P-47 was on the other hand cheaper for losing probably fewer pilots and airframes in similar circumstances.

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

@@lqr824 Ahhh the P47 lost 2600 in the G/A role that is 2600 pilots

@slumzur

Жыл бұрын

@@jacktattis lost airframe doesn't mean lost pilot. The pilot can bailed out, or often planes had crush landings / battle damage after wich you can't repair it. And it also count as lost airframe.

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

@@slumzurIN 1943 during the transition from Spitfires to the P47 The P47 pilots challenged the Spitfire pilots to mock dogfights After 4 were lost in quick succession trying to turn with the Spits The mock fights were banned below 8000ft Those 4 pilots were lost at 5000 ft and less It has never ceased to amaze me the arrogance of the new boys trying to teach men who flew with the Eagle Sqn how to fly. Doing G/A they were at times less than that. There is no time to bail out doing almost 450 mph. So YES they lost 2600 pilots .

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

@@slumzur Not when the plane is 1000/2000 ft above the ground doing 400 mph in a dive You do know G/A is very very low.

I've followed the P-47 for decades but only in this video did I learn that the "D" models were produced in both the bubble canopy AND the razorback versions. It was stated about half of each for the D's. I always thought that the D's were only bubble canopies.

@Sturminfantrist

Жыл бұрын

You forgot the Razorbacks modified with Spitfire style Malcom Hood canopys ;)

@Wilett614

11 ай бұрын

In Addition , There were a FEW that had "Malcom Hood Canopies" as well . Similar to the ones on British Spitfires

@alessiodecarolis

11 ай бұрын

Only from D-25 RE onward the P47s had the bubble canopy. In Korea most pilots would've preferred having the Jugs more than the P51s, the former being less vulnerable to AA Fire.

@Wilett614

11 ай бұрын

@Alessio De Carolis Agreed The P47 was phased out Way to yearly ! We flew the A1 spad in Nam and loved its firepower And ruggedness .. just like The P47

@Sturminfantrist

11 ай бұрын

@@alessiodecarolis thats only true for Farmingdale RE built P-47D`s , Evansville built D-25 RA were Razorbacks and from D-26 RA onward Bubble tops. for the 2nd part yes but the P-47 was much to expensive to run and needed more Menhour maintainance because of the big and complex Turbocharger, the P-51D/F-51D was much cheaper to run.

Thanks. Glad to see the P-47 get some attention. A few notes: 1. I’ve read in an article in one of the aviation magazines that a P-47 actually hit a chimney while attacking at low level. The pilot noticed he was losing oil, but the plane flew alright and got him home. When he landed he was missing a cylinder head and had a brick in the cowling. 2. One advantage of the Jug over the Mustang was its lack of the air scoop under the fuselage. Apparently many pilots died ditching in a Mustang. When you have to cross the Channel or even worse part of the Pacific Ocean, that’s important. 3. I’ve never seen this in print, but in the USA moonshine is stereotypically stored in jugs. I’ve always thought that might be related to the nickname.

Wonderful documentary. My dad was with the 56th-loved the Razorback.

The P-47 was arguably the finest ground attack and air superiority combination in the War.

@boxhawk5070

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't even say arguably. When pilots were given free reign to attack targets of opportunity, It absolutely wreaked havoc on German railways and transport systems.

@rugger1009

Жыл бұрын

@@boxhawk5070 - yeah but there’s always some asshole who will disagree no matter what you say.

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

Never hell even the MkIV Hurricane had more firepower / size And the USArmy did not call on the P47 at the Falaise Pocket that was RAF Typhoons

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

@@boxhawk5070 And lost 2600+ doing it in only 13 months Typhoons had been doing it 24 months and only lost 670 from Service entry

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

P47 down low as manoeuvrable as a Brick outhouse

Thank you for this video!! I feel the P47 has been somewhat overlooked in WW2. Remember they were there very early and fought against Germanies best pilots flying well made airplane's. By the time alot of the newer aircraft arrived, most of all the best German pilots had been killed by P47s. By the time Mustangs arrived they were fighting mostly poorly trained pilots with low hours fighting in poorly built aircraft because by then there factories had been destroyed and they were building them outside in forests hidden by the trees. The P47 may have started with 2 thousand HP but quickly kept increasing HP winding up with almost 3 thousand HP by the end of the war ! This was done with ever increasing octane, water injection and I think they were using nitrous oxide also. There was a saying, if you want to become an Ace and live to tell about it, you better be flying a P47. It had the record for sending more aces home alive than any other fighter of the war.

@scottinohio701

Жыл бұрын

AMEN!!!!!!

@jordanmascarenhas7974

Жыл бұрын

The Grumman F6-F Hellcat was the number 1 ace maker of all time

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

April 1943 is NOT early 1939 is early and the RAF/ Friends with Hurricanes which went out of Front line service in 42 had 1200+ kills against a very strong Luftwaffe

@goldleader6074

11 ай бұрын

@@jacktattis Hurricanes got to attack Luftwaffe bombers while the Spitfires kept the 109s busy. When did P47s get to rack up scores on big fleets of Luftwaffe bombers while on the defense over friendly territory?

@jacktattis

11 ай бұрын

@@goldleader6074 I have no idea

Very well done. Thanks so much.

I flew from Toronto to attend Duxford and it was awesome. Well worth the trip, and I'll do it again. All I could think of were the heroes in whose steps I might have been walking, including Galland and Moll.

P47 is my favourite airplane of all time.

@SKILLED521

Жыл бұрын

The opposite of a Spit. The Swordfish is one of my favorites. Because.

@dirkusmaximus9268

Жыл бұрын

A-10 shoulf have been Lightning II

@florencemodina6293

Жыл бұрын

Bf109 for me..i like german planes

@apersondoingthings5689

Жыл бұрын

@@SKILLED521 battleships sinker go brrrrrrt, I love the swordfish too

@marcolfo100

11 ай бұрын

@@florencemodina6293 also Macchi C205 but as all italian planes,they were too few

Dad landed at Normandy the day after D Day. He said if the sky was clear there was usually a Thunderbolt in the sky above him. He said there seemed to be thousands of them everywhere. He also said 80 percent of fighter he saw were P47’s. There were P51’s late in the was and he saw few P38s. Most planes he observed in France and Germany were bombers. For hours in the morning they went to Germany, then all afternoon they went back to England. I always said if time travel were possible, I would go to France and watch 80 planes n a massive dog fight zooming around in a clear blue sky.

@jacktattis

10 ай бұрын

Your Dad must not have seen the RAF everywhere.

@dougtaylor7724

10 ай бұрын

Now that I think of it, I do not remember him saying he saw RAF planes. But after the breakout at Caan he told me about seeing all their handiwork. The planes with rockets ate up the Germans as the moved south. The thing he would never forget was the smell of death. Soldiers horses and cows and burned out vehicles.

@jackthorton10

3 ай бұрын

Interesting

P-47 my beloved.

My first viewing of this channel. Great stuff. Wonderful narration. Makes me want to come visit personally, grab a pint and talk Spitfires and Thunderbolts.

Well done. I enjoyed a full watch 👍🏻

I had a great privilege to work an internship at a museum that now sits where the P47 was built. It was a huge shame when the museum's P47 was lost in a river landing in NYC.

@itsjohndell

Жыл бұрын

My regards to Farmingdale!

The Jug also had a very good roll rate. Any opponent that could outturn the jug (which is "every opponent") could not match the jug's roll rate if its pilot decided to leave the plane of the turn to begin another turn. Thunderbolt, by Robert Johnson, is an excellent read. LOL at the part where he is victorious over a Spitfire pilot during a mock dogfight.

@rossanderson4440

11 ай бұрын

Notably, the newest variant of the Spit at the time, the Mk. IX.

@lucianene7741

10 ай бұрын

That roll rate was probably helped by the huge torque of the big radial engine. No doubt the pilots learned to use the normally undesirable phenomenon of "torque roll" to their advantage.

@jacktattis

10 ай бұрын

Did Johnson mention the date, the Sqn the Spitfire was from

@jacktattis

10 ай бұрын

@@rossanderson4440 I think Johnson was full of himself No Jug could fly as high, dive as far, climb as fast, turn as tight ,roll as fast as the MkIX .

@jacktattis

10 ай бұрын

Fw 190 had the fastest roll rate

Been to Duxford a few times. Really worth the visits. One can spend a full day there.

Not only all of this, but they JUST SOUND GREAT!!

Being air cooled, radial engine meant that it could take a lot of abuse and still fly. The P51, being liquid cooled was done for if radiator was breached by enemy bullets.

@Wilett614

11 ай бұрын

Read a report once ,that a P47 returned to Halesworth Airfield in UK with 3 CYLINDERS shot off the engine , but still managed to keep running , somehow ! the R 2800 was a Remarkable Engine

@jacktattis

10 ай бұрын

@@Wilett614 Yes it is always I read somewhere. Now just on this site 3 cylinders shot off, 1 cylinder shot off, Tree Branches, Bricks . Give us Tech reports the such as I get in my Morgan and Shacklady Spitfire the History .

You hit almost all the right points. Im just surprised the superior high altitude performance was not mentioned.

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

Where was it superior? P47D10 Oct44 Test at Wright Field Climb Rate was 450 ft/min @32000 ft Spit MkVIII 1440 ft/min @35000ft

@Wilett614

11 ай бұрын

AND the Jug could "OUTDIVE" Any fighter in the second world war . "Hell from above" if you were an Enemy plane at lower altitude . A P47 after the war, actually Broke the sound Barrier in a Power Dive . I know someone who witnessed that event. Incredible !

@jacktattis

10 ай бұрын

@@Wilett614 Power dive and at what speed was it going?

Thank you! Great channel!

Wow, I knew that the Thunderbolt was large but you really put it into perspective by standing next to the two fighters!

Our family has a black & white photo of our Mom, who is pictured with a P-47 pin / badge on her lapel, while leaning over a P-47, of which she confirmed to us all, that she helped build many of during WW2 ... Making her, one of what are now referred to, as a Rosie the Riveter ... 🛩 🛠 🔩 🗜 🇺🇸

@johndilday1846

11 ай бұрын

My mom as well! She and her parents worked at the Republic Aircraft plant in Evansville, IN, during the war. My mom was very proud to have done her part during the war.

@jackthorton10

3 ай бұрын

They did our country proud, thank them for their service:)

@larryg.9187

3 ай бұрын

@@jackthorton10 ... Thank you for the kind words ... 🇺🇸 ...

@larryg.9187

3 ай бұрын

@@johndilday1846 ... Don't know how I missed your feedback ... Your Mom sounds like a wonderful and loved Mom ... If I may say, I'm proud of her too ... BTW, I'm pretty sure my Mom worked in what may be known now as Willow Run, an area outside of Detroit ... Best regards ...

@jackthorton10

3 ай бұрын

@@larryg.9187 Always, in remembrance of those who fought for the frontline... and the homefront, To the lifters of hearts of gold and mounds of courage, may they be honored just as much as our forefathers who took to the sky, air, and sea, and ring freedom and goodwill to a more accessible, and better world.

The newly created USAF sorely missed the Thunderbolt when the Korean War broke out since it was much more suited to CAS for ground troops. Nobody would expect it to duel MIGs,but it could have been of great use against Chinese human wave attacks.

@justinthomas85

11 ай бұрын

I believe i read something a while back that they chose the Mustang because it was primarily based on the West coast before the Korean conflict and it was easier to ship over. But that the 47 was indeed a much better choice.

@mikloridden8276

11 ай бұрын

@@justinthomas85 That and there was a push for the Mustang by the Army and Airforce higher ups(I forget why that was). The Navy and marines on the other hand refused to move on to more updated aircraft and kept the Corsair which was similar to the P47 in its role

@Paul-vf2wl

8 ай бұрын

I don't know they did have the Skyraider in Korea

Excellent stuff bro

Great video about a great WWII fighter. My dad was an ETO veteran of the 99th Infantry Division. The 99th was in what would become the northern shoulder of the Bulge. After the initial German attack, the 99th accomplished a “strategic withdrawal” to the Elsenborn Ridge. There, the US artillery decimated the German attack. As the weather cleared, hundreds of Allied fighter-bombers attacked the exposed German units. Dad told me of watching the P-47s attack German armor that was caught in the open in the snow. One of the greatest decisions was to put a forward air observer (usually a pilot) with forward infantry units. This helped prevent friendly fire accidents and provided the pilots in the air with someone who could give directions and attack plans to the planes. The US Air Force has been trying to retire the A-10 almost from it first combat. I’ve talked to infantry veterans that described how good it was to have close air support in Iraq and Afghanistan. I’m sure my dad had that same feeling with the P-47 in Belgium and Germany in WWII.

A guy from my hometown, Gabby Gabreski did well in this plane I believe he may have been the top ace in Europe.

@jacktattis

10 ай бұрын

He was the USAAF top ace yes

@ 5:10, The 56th FG was the only group in the *8th AF* to keep their jugs to the end of the war, but the 9th AF had something like 13 groups of P-47s in northern Europe till the end of the war and the 15th AF had 3 more in Italy. By March of 1944, improvements to the jug like the paddle-bladed props and water injection meant that the jugs COULD out climb the FW190. Read Bob Johnson's "Thunderbolt" for a first person account of this.

@lqr824

Жыл бұрын

They were predominantly escort, and had all day to get up to a high altitude before any fight started. The 109's came up mainly from below. Climb speed wasn't important in this scenario. ZOOM climb was probably more important than climb, and since the 47 could out-dive anything it could also out-climb anything when zoom climbing. So it did. And the skies were swept of the Luftwaffe. (Yes the 47s were later ground attack but only at a point that there just wasn't much Luftwaffe left to threaten them.)

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

@@lqr824 The P47 COULD NOT OUT DIVE ANYTHING Its T/M was 0.72 the Fw190 0.75 and all Spits 0.84+

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

So now it is Johnson outclimbing a FW190 Zoom climb maybe, normal climb it would be struggling I heard that Johnson said he outclimbed a MkIX Spitfire rubbish then rubbish now

@lqr824

Жыл бұрын

@@jacktattis First, there are more ways to quantify dive than just mach numbers, e.g. acceleration where the P-47 was apparently top. Corsair I think could do a steeper dive with dive flaps, or landing gear doors? I forget, but regardless, most other planes couldn't follow it if it did that: it may not dive the fastest, but other planes couldn't dive that steeply? I may have the wrong plane but hopefully this example at least illustrates my point. Second, there is the situation: an FW-190 and a Spitfire are only up in the air to shoot down bombers, and further have just launched so often will be coming up to altitude. They cannot simply dive fast without basically ignoring their mission. A P-47 is flying escort, has been in the air an hour, has had all that time to get quite high if they choose, they make great power up high, so they can fly above bombers and dive onto interceptors, faster than the interceptors can ever really dive in practice. Likewise, the fast dive can be followed by a zoom climb, so the early 47's bad climb statistics wouldn't necessarily have been a hinderance. If both an early 47 and a 190 start from the ground, the 190 would surely gain altitude faster. But if a 190 has been climbing at their best climb rate, which might only leave enough power for 200mph or something of forward progress, a P47 can both dive down on them at 550mph, then continue to zoom back up at I'd guess 3-4x the 190's climb rate, at least until the 47 burns off the excess speed.

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

@@lqr824 Mach Numbers is what Doolittle wanted because the P38 and P47 were being lost in the dive Look I do not care whether you believe it or Not Tests were conducted in ww2 and the P47 was relegated to other duties END OF STORY Once it reached 0.73 IT WAS BREAKING APART Steeper what is steeper? 0.71 is 0.71 regardless of what angle it dived at. You are dense Spitfire up there to shoot down bombers Where are you getting your info? Certainly NOT from any credible source Go to WW2 Aircraft Performance and scroll through Spit VIII and Spit IX ACTION REPORTS and then come back and tell us that they only shot down Bombers P47s flying escort were doing what you describe and were breaking up That is why RAE fARNBOROUGH DID THE TESTS And RAE pilots were taking the planes a hell of a lot more stress than even in Combat

My father 1st Lt Edward Lopez of the 365th fighter group aka The Hell Hawks flew more than 100 missions in the P-47 and absolutely loved the aircraft over all others. He just celebrated his 100th birthday 4 weeks ago and still tells his tails of the Battle of the Bulge and many other battles he was involved in.

@scottinohio701

8 күн бұрын

My father flew 104 with the 358th FG went home in Oct 44 and was a test pilot on the N model

In the 70s I had an art teacher who flew Thunderbolts with the RAF in the far East in 1944/45. So the British used them as well. And he did say it was his favourite aircraft of the war.

great video as usual, many thanks

3 planes used the R2800. The P47, F4U, and the F6F. The F6F wasn't much smaller and, in fact, had larger wings to allow for carrier use.

@Sturminfantrist

Жыл бұрын

plus P-61Black widow and B-26 Marauder

@Wilett614

11 ай бұрын

YOU forgot , The North American A26 INVADER had TWO R2800 engines !! Also the Navy F7 Twin engine Tiger CAT had Twin R 2800 s although they came very late in the war .

She's a strongun . A legend. And you'd have been dam sure to have been glad it was on your side.! What a machine . 💛👊💛👍

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

In your minds It was too large its wing Loading was too high

@Free-Bodge79

Жыл бұрын

@@jacktattis what you mean the English? 😉

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

@@Free-Bodge79 No your P47

@Free-Bodge79

Жыл бұрын

@@jacktattis in my mind it was a tool, that did it's job, served it's country and the men that flew it well. Happy days ay. 👊👍

When I was about 9, I checked a book out of the local library. It was about U.S. fighter pilots in WWII. One of those that had identification silhouettes printed on the end pagers. Quickly came to admire the P-47 for its rugged strength. It's a short step or two from it to the A-10.

Very well presented material. Brilliant.

The razorback jug is the most gangster-looking bird of WW2

I LOVE learning about this kind of history, especially the machinery, and the reasons for the development of it. We were on a great, overly capable nation… Today, not so much….

Always loved these. Had no idea they were so massive.

The size comparison between Spit and Thunderbolt. Well played, and....wow. 😯

The a10 was a plane built around a gun the p47 was a plane built around a engine

@charlize1253

6 ай бұрын

The Republic P-47 Thunderbolt, Grumman F6F Hellcat, and Vought F4U Corsair were all built around the Wasp 2800 engine which was the most powerful radial engine ever made, so in a sense they were all variations of the same basic plane. Republic, Grumman, and Vought were all given the brand-new engine and instructed to build a plane around it. Republic put eight 50-cal machine guns in the wings which gave it the largest and heaviest wings of any WW2 fighter; Voight put on a massive 15-foot propeller which necessitated the famous bent-wings so the landing gear could accommodate the prop radius; and Grumman went the middle ground with a carrier-capable fighter with specs in between the other two.

The P-47 was to the P-51 like the Fw-190 was to the Bf.109 Armed and armored radial powered beasts next to V-powered speedsters

Thanks for this 👍✈️

working in a service station as a kid in the late 60s, I knew a few World War 2 vets who came in to drink coffee and bs with the boss on Saturday morning. I asked one, who had been in the infantry, what was the best airplane of the war. I thought he would say the P-51 since it was so famous. He said it was the P-47. It was only years later I realized it was because the P-47 did so much ground support for the infantry.

I knew several guys who’s fathers flew the Thunderbolt in the war and they preferred it to the Mustang because it could take so much more damage and still get you home.

@thethirdman225

Ай бұрын

Yeah everyone says they know someone who liked the P-47 better. Funny how nobody knows any Mustang pilots... Also funny how it's not reflected in historical record. It's like the old saying here in the post war period that there were enough pieces of the first Zero shot down over Australia to sink a battleship.

Captain Robert S. Johnson said there was not an aircraft in the entire ETO that could hang with his Jug in a..."Zoom Climb."

@martinricardo4503

Жыл бұрын

P-38L.

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

aND AT WHAT ALTITUDE was he when he started his Zoom climb The Bf109K4 would be at 41000 ft well before Bob could get into position

@jacktattis

Жыл бұрын

That fight with a Spitfire was lies then and lies now. Roberto could never ever outclimb the Spitfire Spit 43000+ ft P47 nudging 38000ft and struggling So the Spit has passed the P47 service ceiling with 5000 ft to go Up comes Bob struggling and next thing the Spit is flying rings around him and back up to 43000 ft + Those Paddle props are spinning but not going anywhere The Spits are just in and out, up and down and watching Robert try but unable to do anything The Spit goes to Absolute ceiling the Pilot takes out his flask and has a cup of tea with Scones and cream Poor Bob is frustrated and has been given a lesson on flying .

My father flew 50 combat missions over Germany in a Jug. I can tell you that he absolutely *loved* that plane - for the reasons this video talks about. What an awesome plane, a word that is usually overused, but not in this case; it literally inspires awe.

Love your shows!! One important point that needs to be made--the P-47 was superb as a dogfighter at high altitude, i.e., above 20,000 feet. German fighters learned not to fight with the Jug unless it was below 20,000. Thus, the Jug was superb at ground attack and performing at high altitude.

Outstanding aircraft. I’m sure P-47 had the same engine as the hellcat and corsair.

@wampuscat7433

11 ай бұрын

That it does. Also the F8F Bearcat and F7F Tigercat.

@suzyqualcast6269

11 ай бұрын

Et Tomcat....

@AlanRoehrich9651

9 ай бұрын

But only the P-47 was equipped with the General Electric B series turbocharger, for high altitude performance.

There are some stories of mid air collisions with Jugs where the German plane fell apart and the forty seven be like ‘what was that bump?”

@emilrydstrm3944

Жыл бұрын

Source?

@Free-Bodge79

Жыл бұрын

@@emilrydstrm3944 red or brown duck?

@geordiedog1749

Жыл бұрын

@@emilrydstrm3944 Ha! Yes, good point. It was something I was watching rather than reading I think. I can picture it but can’t remember, sorry. In my head it was a collision with a 210 and I can picture the old guy in his USAAC baseball cap.

😊the bolt was the equivalent of the current a-10 warthog but more. Was a very capable fighter, bomber if need be , and close support weapon. Very well protection for pliots

The 56th FG was the only P-47 equipped group in the 8th Air Force Fighter Command. They also had the top two aces in ETO, with Gabreski and Johnson. However, the 9th Air Force had a number of P-47 groups because of their defined ground support and tactical bombing mission.