Benjamin Zephaniah on Windrush, anarchism and his time in North Korea

Poet, writer and activist Benjamin Zephaniah talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about the Windrush scandal, how the political system should be torn down and why he spends so much time in China.
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  • @nickthepeasant
    @nickthepeasant6 ай бұрын

    Rest In Power Benjamin, his voice will be missed, hope people continue to take inspiration from his work and his personal philosophy.

  • @markturpin5667
    @markturpin56672 жыл бұрын

    Beamin really HAS IT. Humane, intelligent, articulate, far seeing, compassionate, well travelled, informed and truly wise . . Everyone please listen.

  • @jessadelix7415
    @jessadelix74155 жыл бұрын

    “I’d like to have a revolution. But everybody’s too busy shopping”

  • @FK-xh1qc

    @FK-xh1qc

    4 жыл бұрын

    A lot has changed and hats off to the people who lobby for the freedom and justice of all. We are not only deny our civil right but deny our fundamental right to life.

  • @sneakyone9865

    @sneakyone9865

    5 ай бұрын

    Same applies today 😢

  • @philippepalmer2968
    @philippepalmer29686 ай бұрын

    rest in peace and poetry Mr Z,your words and rhymes will live on forever and we are truly blessed you share them with us

  • @corvusmoneduloides7420
    @corvusmoneduloides74206 ай бұрын

    What a loss. His smile always lit up the room, and he had such a big heart. We'll miss you, humble giant.

  • @gickball1
    @gickball1 Жыл бұрын

    Benjamin knows the score. What a great, insightful man. Pleasure listening to him speak

  • @isabelleg8956
    @isabelleg89566 ай бұрын

    I wasn't aware of this legend at all until his passing. I am so inspired by him, his active practices, and his powerful voice and presence. What ideas! I see why he is loved and will be missed by so many people. It's true that the death of someone is really their continuation, as Thich Nhat Han would say. This talk is absolutely fascinating. We should all be anthropologists in day to day life, understanding our fellow man in order to break down the divide and rule complex that makes it so easy to split us rather than unite us. Incredible stuff.

  • @novocastrianwinter9869
    @novocastrianwinter98696 жыл бұрын

    He gave the speech at my graduation what a privilege

  • @josephharley9448

    @josephharley9448

    2 жыл бұрын

    mine too Oxford brookes

  • @gabriel82030
    @gabriel820306 ай бұрын

    RIP - you've said it all but in a nice manner with no indignation or grievance at all. Indeed you've lived your life in that you've known light and dark, war and peace and ups and downs within these 60-plus years. Unfortunately people of your calibre usually die young - indeed ahead of their time and I don't know why. So bright and magnanimous have you all along been. Britain in particular and the humanity in general has lost you. Your legacy will keep reverbrating across the world. You've been beyond any academic degrees of the Humanities.

  • @StevenForester
    @StevenForester3 жыл бұрын

    Benjamin is a very deep and principled man. I enjoy listening to his philosophy and insights.

  • @clairebessel4298
    @clairebessel42984 жыл бұрын

    I love what you stand for Benjamin Zephaniah. I am moved and inspired every time i listen to you. Thank you

  • @thinknoetic
    @thinknoetic3 жыл бұрын

    incredible interview, benjamin zephaniah what a legend!

  • @josephharley9448
    @josephharley94482 жыл бұрын

    I graduated from Oxford brookes uni in 2002. Benjamin was the guest speaker. Very impressive man.

  • @davidoldham7448
    @davidoldham74485 жыл бұрын

    what a beautiful man... articulates anarchism clearly and with charm and grace...

  • @sloth_e
    @sloth_e5 жыл бұрын

    I love so much of what this man says. Even the stuff I disagree on, I respect.

  • @mjkrbjcw
    @mjkrbjcw5 ай бұрын

    Benjamin was really loved & respected here in Birmingham….. RIP my man 🙏❤️

  • @lizroberts1569
    @lizroberts1569 Жыл бұрын

    Brilliant interview, such a clever compassionate man.

  • @salehothman449
    @salehothman4494 жыл бұрын

    This is a incredible man if only each one of us can take just 30% of of his ideology and apply it, will definitely change ALOT to the better,,,

  • @patb-d2264
    @patb-d22646 ай бұрын

    Waaow!I'm hearing of this insightful man after his death. Rest in peace,wise man. Your words live!

  • @dremtay8
    @dremtay84 жыл бұрын

    More reality.... Brilliant sincere interview that ought to be shown to youths as young as 10 years old

  • @DaveyNaples
    @DaveyNaples6 ай бұрын

    You don't know what you've got till it's gone... RIP Professor

  • @jlucie
    @jlucie5 ай бұрын

    What a major loss. Wish we did have him for another 20 years. I was lucky enough to hear him recite some of his poems in the 90s when I was a kid, his charisma and poems where totally captivating. R.I.P.

  • @dryglide7645
    @dryglide76456 жыл бұрын

    One of the best interviews I have ever watched and I am so empathetic to where this man has come from and where he has arrived.

  • @xuasi
    @xuasi6 жыл бұрын

    When he sais "I'd like to have a Revolution, but everbody's too busy shopping" you can actually see that it makes him sad but that at the same time he just kind of ''accepts' it even if he wishes things would change. He makes like a 'stop' after he sais this sentence. It means a lot. His words are powerful cause he doesn't 'say things with bitterness or anger. He makes some statements even while taking sides and explains his point of view so well. This whole interview is definitely necessary to watch - makes me think a lot, personnally. This man is a true inspiration and 'hope his words wil be heard

  • @AbandonEarth911

    @AbandonEarth911

    5 жыл бұрын

    We need more Benjamins to stand up and be heard. One race,The Human Race.

  • @secreteobsession3584

    @secreteobsession3584

    5 жыл бұрын

    I agree every time he explains things he says things very peacefully which I've never seen anything like that before maybe I could learn a thing or two in his book

  • @rasplastering4278

    @rasplastering4278

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@xenophon3681 you stupid, man said many times he loves this country, how does he hate whites? man been defending himself as his life against racist whites. are you right in the head?

  • @crangonvulgaris9820

    @crangonvulgaris9820

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@xenophon3681 The hate you see in him is but an illusion , a projection, a reflection of the hate apparent in YOUR heart.

  • @johnsomebody1753

    @johnsomebody1753

    Жыл бұрын

    @@AbandonEarth911 I love your sentiment. But there is one species of human. There are many races of humans, just like there are many breeds, of every other animal. And we are all animals.

  • @TheXitone
    @TheXitone6 жыл бұрын

    It's mad how people expect individual anarchists to have all the answers . Anarchism comes about when communities take back power for themselves and dissolve all illegitimate hierarchies . It happens all the time you just dont notice it.

  • @marbleblue5127

    @marbleblue5127

    6 ай бұрын

    I'm just thinking about how someone in his village verbally attacked him. If the number in his village who agreed with that outnumbered the number who supported him he could have been run out of town, with his property and belongings just forfeit. Anarchists are idealists, and always seem to believe that they will be a part of the safe and sane group, but modern Westerners are barely able to organize their own activities. It's a long long learning curve I think.

  • @jasperlawrence5361
    @jasperlawrence53615 жыл бұрын

    Yes to Anarchism! Thank you for saying this Benjamin.

  • @ngugikariuki2218
    @ngugikariuki22186 ай бұрын

    Rest in peace rasta. you always tried to inform us but few could comprehend.

  • @jseaschippychorley
    @jseaschippychorley4 жыл бұрын

    amazing talk Benjamin has an insight into life that gives us hope Thank you Benjamin

  • @PsyRoadie
    @PsyRoadie6 жыл бұрын

    Wise words,.. i love them! Big Up Sir Zepaniah #respect

  • @100suns6
    @100suns66 жыл бұрын

    Hearing Benjamin speaking for 40 minutes just now was nowhere near enough, he's an inspiration. We need more people like him. He is the sort of person youngsters everywhere should see and look up to. UTV

  • @deanwhitbread
    @deanwhitbread6 жыл бұрын

    Simply marvellous interview.

  • @sukindiamuzik
    @sukindiamuzik6 жыл бұрын

    WOOO! ANARCHISM! love Zephaniah favourite poet, a figure I look up to love you, man, you speak the truth!

  • @highlandprofile9401
    @highlandprofile94016 жыл бұрын

    More of these please CH4...from someone who won't watch telly...EVER !

  • @JohnJones1987

    @JohnJones1987

    6 жыл бұрын

    What an incentive to please you then...

  • @Andrew_Tate_Personal

    @Andrew_Tate_Personal

    5 жыл бұрын

    #highland profile I never watch television EVER anymore for many years and I don’t like BBC or ITV either (don’t trust them) but I did enjoy this video :) keep it coming

  • @jethrowest439
    @jethrowest4395 ай бұрын

    Zephaniah was such a wise and regal life force

  • @TheDreadfulCurtain
    @TheDreadfulCurtain4 жыл бұрын

    I love this man on so many levels.

  • @madjohnny4735
    @madjohnny47356 жыл бұрын

    Benjamin a working class hero. Always great to hear him speak. A real inspiration.

  • @jonathaneffemey944
    @jonathaneffemey9446 ай бұрын

    Thanks for posting.

  • @leonahussey
    @leonahussey6 жыл бұрын

    That was a fantastic and informative interview.

  • @factorsixty
    @factorsixty7 ай бұрын

    Protect this man at all costs.

  • @MrKirklandLaing
    @MrKirklandLaing6 жыл бұрын

    Lovely man.

  • @Powerfullmoon
    @Powerfullmoon6 жыл бұрын

    love love love you and yes, I'm totally with you...I can see it......We (the people) can do it

  • @isabelleg8956
    @isabelleg89566 ай бұрын

    His face and his smile truly do light up a room.

  • @jw6806
    @jw68066 жыл бұрын

    Benjamin a total inspiration.

  • @horizonkage
    @horizonkage5 жыл бұрын

    This is a person that has a point of view I can appreciate. He has experienced racism and community backing against racism. The majority (%99 = factual) in Britain are against racial tribalism. Live your life and let the radicals fade and die.

  • @irielion3748
    @irielion37483 ай бұрын

    Reading his book now. What a trajectory to the top. If the message is important, people will listen.

  • @knightyknight5399
    @knightyknight53996 жыл бұрын

    Cant believe Benjamin is 60yr old , he looks well ....x

  • @knightyknight5399

    @knightyknight5399

    6 жыл бұрын

    Marco Demena True Ting , its in our genes bro ...x

  • @TerryCrodgedy

    @TerryCrodgedy

    6 жыл бұрын

    He does loadsa tai chi , maybe that’s the secret?

  • @MrResearcher122

    @MrResearcher122

    6 жыл бұрын

    @Jacqueline Knight He's a vegan. That might be the reason. He lived next door to me in the 80s, up in Highbury Barn area of North London. I used to be a cheeky kid , and used to ask him for a splif all the time. He was a very nice person even in those days.

  • @dia.6213

    @dia.6213

    6 жыл бұрын

    He's a vegan

  • @smackedinthejaw

    @smackedinthejaw

    5 жыл бұрын

    True. He does NOT show his 60 years of age, either in looks or any lack of energy. He evens mentions walking away from a street fight where he could have "put the guy down". I am not a vegan, but do not smoke, drink alcohol, use drugs. I try to watch the diet as well.

  • @inakshiabeywardana5605
    @inakshiabeywardana56052 ай бұрын

    ❤ to see a principled,true, rational, artistic soul / Philosopher. The legacy you left behind us is the everlasting truth. Even your manner, nature voice out your unshaken principles.RIP Sir.

  • @gopyai3486
    @gopyai34866 ай бұрын

    what a great inspirational interview !!!

  • @Welcome2TheInternet
    @Welcome2TheInternet5 жыл бұрын

    dudes like him are the rare occasion that make me proud to be a Brummie. Very rare.

  • @carlcassidy185
    @carlcassidy1856 жыл бұрын

    disgusting treatment of the Windrush, and others. TORIES OUT

  • @louise-yo7kz

    @louise-yo7kz

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes!🤜🏾

  • @ghug6764
    @ghug67646 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Benjamin, One Love brother

  • @CaptainAndy
    @CaptainAndy6 жыл бұрын

    An interesting interview. I think the reason Benjamin struggles to explain anarchism to Krishnan is because, with no disrespect intended to the latter, some of the questions he asks about it are rather absurd. To make one correction: there is no private property in an anarchist society, however there is personal property. It's important not to confuse the two.

  • @CaptainAndy

    @CaptainAndy

    6 жыл бұрын

    No. Personal property is different to private property.

  • @CaptainAndy

    @CaptainAndy

    6 жыл бұрын

    Again. No. Private property refers to means of production being controlled by private companies rather than collectively by the people. That is not allowed in an anarchist society. All means of production are publicly controlled. Personal property refers to things like your clothes, your mobile phone, your toothbrush etc. etc. Those are not things you are expected to share ownership of in an anarchist society. I am an anarcho-syndicalist to be specific.

  • @CaptainAndy

    @CaptainAndy

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ah. So you're an anarcho-capitalist. That's a contradiction in terms I'm afraid. Without a state, you have no means by which to enforce private property rights. Such a society would be a nightmare for all but a very privileged few who have managed to monopolise all the means of production and the wealth there produced. They would be the supreme authority and unquestionable within such a society. Anarcho-syndicalism is a method for bringing about a libertarian communist society. There's absolutely nothing authoritarian about that... unless you're the sort of ignoramus who thinks your mum telling you you have to learn to share and play nicely is what authoritarianism is, which you almost certainly are.

  • @animekitty4218

    @animekitty4218

    6 жыл бұрын

    Just ignore him Captain Andy. He is not engaging in good faith. And I agree with you. The interviewer was very ignorant of anarchism. It was hard to watch when he asked that ridiculous question.

  • @tomboz777

    @tomboz777

    6 жыл бұрын

    Oh, hi Andy. Didn't expect to see you here.

  • @nickbarton3191
    @nickbarton31915 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant comment, I wanted a revolution but everyone was shopping.

  • @johnsomebody1753
    @johnsomebody1753 Жыл бұрын

    On Anarchism, he may appreciate this if he discovers it one day : From the Greek, "An", meaning without, and, "Archos", rulers or rulership. That DOES NOT MEAN, being without rules, as EVERYONE who co-operates, shares beliefs on what is acceptable behaviour. But having rules DOES NOT MEAN, being ruled over.

  • @Yourismouter
    @Yourismouter6 жыл бұрын

    great interview! discovered this chap on Russel Howard's Good News and Frankie Boyle's Autopsy/New World Order, he is brilliant and need to see if my Waterstone has any of his books.

  • @markturpin5667
    @markturpin56672 жыл бұрын

    Benjamin is a true human being.

  • @rupertcordeux6479
    @rupertcordeux647913 күн бұрын

    Such a quiet man. It is true that empty vessels make the most noise. To my shame, I knew almost nothing about Benjamin Zephaniah until his death.

  • @sazzieA1
    @sazzieA16 ай бұрын

    A giant. Rest well King ( in every aspect of the word). 😢

  • @rayglover8697
    @rayglover86975 ай бұрын

    WOW - what a visionary - a truely great man - RIP Big Man . Massive irony that Ben moved to a village in Lincolnshire - I know the village(my wife was born there) - I am a white South Londoner that has been visiting sleepy Lincolnshire for 45 years - one day I tried to buy the Guardian Newspaper in a local shop - they never even heard of it ! I have always lived in a true Blue areas(like here my Hampshire village) - as right wing naive and racists as our local Hampshire people are nothing compares to Lincolnshire - thick as 2 short planks.

  • @golpherguy6388
    @golpherguy63885 жыл бұрын

    Great guy, enjoyed listening to him, world traveller but extremely naïve. I dream about anarchy, but if you know human nature you know it could never work except in special situations (for example a tribe in the middle of the jungle with no contact with outside world). Impossible to work on a large scale. But a great guy.

  • @VemiX1000
    @VemiX10004 жыл бұрын

    As one of the last generations of Yugoslavs (Sarajevo, Bosnia) as well as a proud Socialist/Communist I understand this man completely. By the way, people are still running from the Balkans for their lives (for better ones).

  • @AdventureSam
    @AdventureSam2 жыл бұрын

    What a legend 🔥🔥🤯🤯🤯📚📚📚

  • @drhintjens4915
    @drhintjens49154 жыл бұрын

    I saw Benjamin saying that poem at 24-25 "fight them not me" at the Edinburgh Festival about 40 years ago! It must have been in 1979 or 1980. "I don't like Miss Thatcher, I don't like that girl" was another one, and I will spare you the next lines! But I love your work and this interview is fantastic.

  • @sylviabaxter265

    @sylviabaxter265

    6 ай бұрын

    Thatcher best PM ever even better than Churchill. This man was a racist glad he has gone 😊

  • @bortroad5740
    @bortroad57406 ай бұрын

    Who knows He managed to tap into ancient wisdom. If only we listened and engaged. May the almighty grant you peace

  • @midomarvin8793
    @midomarvin87935 ай бұрын

    Cooool man. Touch it 🤜🏼🤛🏾. Rest easy King.

  • @johnrambo7072
    @johnrambo70724 жыл бұрын

    so nice to see an interview where the interviewer lets the other man speak

  • @Sotangy247
    @Sotangy247 Жыл бұрын

    I remember Benjamin when he lived in East London in a housing Co- Op, and his mate John. Lovely guy .. spoken to him many times

  • @cultureclashmusicvideo4545
    @cultureclashmusicvideo45456 жыл бұрын

    Benjamin comes over like a great bloke. I would like to meet him.

  • @lesliewatson6146

    @lesliewatson6146

    6 жыл бұрын

    Wish he would go back to Jamaica i would like him more

  • @JoJoHebadubus

    @JoJoHebadubus

    6 жыл бұрын

    Why, are you Jamaican?

  • @antoasap8644
    @antoasap86446 жыл бұрын

    Very few things keep my attention is discussing contemporary affairs this video was realy imformative. Great guy and human being in all we are part ofbthe human family.

  • @SilkyBadger
    @SilkyBadger3 жыл бұрын

    19:37 Perfectly put, and again at 23:24 the faith in other people is the only religion I apply to.

  • @Finn11233
    @Finn112336 жыл бұрын

    he's a great man/poet and sensitive which is what is needed in man these days, enough macho ego's out there.

  • @Finn11233

    @Finn11233

    6 жыл бұрын

    nice one Jill :)

  • @chicotthejester9341

    @chicotthejester9341

    6 жыл бұрын

    No person who styles themselves as an anarchist is worth listening to. It is an unworkable system and those who adhere to it demonstrate either a lack of intellect or a refusal to accept reality.

  • @Finn11233

    @Finn11233

    6 жыл бұрын

    I listened to his story, i don't understand what your point is ? What is a Rasta fagin ? I think you mean Rastafari darling

  • @shaolindreams
    @shaolindreams4 жыл бұрын

    Benjamin Zephaniah came to my school to show us some of his poetry.. this is over 30 years ago! and he looks the same! lol

  • @eliakimjosephsophia4542
    @eliakimjosephsophia45426 жыл бұрын

    Benjamin Zephaniah is a really interesting guy.

  • @andrewryan7107
    @andrewryan71074 жыл бұрын

    I love this man.

  • @danobrien9925
    @danobrien99253 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant guy, love him

  • @MrNdldesign
    @MrNdldesign5 жыл бұрын

    Legend. Up The Villa Benjamin, your poetry is as beautiful as the club we support.

  • @toni4729
    @toni47294 жыл бұрын

    It really is nice that things have changed.

  • @sahztube
    @sahztube6 жыл бұрын

    Benjamin we ❤ you x

  • @henrymobbs309
    @henrymobbs3096 ай бұрын

    Rest in Power Benjamin.

  • @Madrefukka
    @Madrefukka6 жыл бұрын

    A Great Guy.

  • @ChandrinKatuwawala
    @ChandrinKatuwawala Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely amazing human being

  • @JasonLockwood87
    @JasonLockwood875 ай бұрын

    29:40 so sad to listen to this part. Rest in peace. Too early

  • @dzlad3281
    @dzlad32816 жыл бұрын

    seems like a real nice bloke !

  • @theredapple3402
    @theredapple34025 жыл бұрын

    The interviewer keeps confusing anarchism with lawlessness. This is ridiculous, even if you take the literal definition, anarchy only refers to positions of authority, not the rules themselves.

  • @Finn11233
    @Finn112336 жыл бұрын

    We are all human beings..

  • @pauladams1814

    @pauladams1814

    6 жыл бұрын

    Kalameet Tories

  • @pauladams1814

    @pauladams1814

    6 жыл бұрын

    Kalameet People who put the good of the majority ahead of profits for a few?🤔

  • @pauladams1814

    @pauladams1814

    6 жыл бұрын

    Kalameet Read Marx before criticising Marx. Democracy in the workplace in Germany has helped their economy overall, helped worker's to get better pay, work conditions as well as business become more competitive internationally.

  • @pauladams1814

    @pauladams1814

    6 жыл бұрын

    The NHS and other free access healthcare systems have saved millions of lives, promoted better health and knowledge about how are bodies work all while saving countries money in comparison to alternative systems like the USA's.

  • @pauladams1814

    @pauladams1814

    6 жыл бұрын

    It was the left that fought for child labour laws, age of consent laws, environmental protection and more education for poor people.

  • 6 ай бұрын

    R.I.P. With the ancestors brother Benjamin🙏🏿

  • @simeonbanner6204
    @simeonbanner62046 жыл бұрын

    Proud he's from Brum. It's still pretty down to earth here. People keep it real I think.

  • @HappyDragneels_page

    @HappyDragneels_page

    6 жыл бұрын

    brummies are just too stupid to invent lies

  • @rolybling
    @rolybling6 жыл бұрын

    Great interview, Benjamin speaks a lot of sense, we are just pawns in the game of capitalism, the rights we have are GIVEN, we need to start taking them.

  • @HappyDragneels_page

    @HappyDragneels_page

    6 жыл бұрын

    hmmm, if a guy said the sky was blue would you hail him as a sense speaking genius too? this guys just a hippie who thinks he knows how to achieve world peace, poeple like him seem to have too much faith in humanity and forget about its infinite greed and lust for power. there will always be 10 people willing to stab and rob and con you for every benjamin out there.

  • @HappyDragneels_page

    @HappyDragneels_page

    6 жыл бұрын

    "the rights we have are GIVEN, we need to start taking them" have you ever heard someone sound so entitled?

  • @NextSound170
    @NextSound1706 жыл бұрын

    Indeed the Sunshine African. 👊🏾

  • @nikbarr1721
    @nikbarr17215 ай бұрын

    love this thank you

  • @blackenedfirmament
    @blackenedfirmament6 жыл бұрын

    What a guy! and a vegan!

  • @nonowner3400
    @nonowner34004 жыл бұрын

    Bless up BZ 😊🌸👍🏽

  • @Ishijah1
    @Ishijah16 жыл бұрын

    We all have right to live in world is ideal and fit for own purposes not for governments

  • @HandsomeNamed

    @HandsomeNamed

    4 жыл бұрын

    Notions of equality and everyone being equal is a very artificial concept that necessarily needs to be maintained by a government. If there was no central authority enforcing these unnatural ideas, our world would devolve into natural heirarchies dominated by the most powerful. It's certainly the case that power is not even distributed right now. But if you think tearing down the system will level us all out, you are very sorely mistaken. It can only be WORSE, not better.

  • @thelamhensemble483
    @thelamhensemble4836 жыл бұрын

    Interesting discussion

  • @sylvanusjoseph1140
    @sylvanusjoseph11403 жыл бұрын

    I came to Britain at 18 months old. Held a St. Lucisn passport. Until l was 37 l was told l could not work in the UK. Suffered depression told l was not British told l have need to leave or they would deport me. The stress was too much. Apolied to the home offuce Windrush Scheme. Waited 1 year before a reply. Gave me an initial offer of 10'000 pounds. For 20 years of hardship stress, depression. INSULTING

  • @AnwarKhan-en8px
    @AnwarKhan-en8px6 ай бұрын

    Good man who wanted peace and unity

  • @carlbrown2538
    @carlbrown25386 жыл бұрын

    Amazing guy..

  • @BigJProductions
    @BigJProductions5 жыл бұрын

    LOOK CLOSELY AT 6:16!!! There is an edit! What did he say that was edited?!!

  • @mariajefferies8555
    @mariajefferies855511 ай бұрын

    GOAT 🇯🇲

  • @kojomensah7474
    @kojomensah74746 жыл бұрын

    You are so damn right

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