Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors below. Transcript: lexfridman.com/ben-shapiro-destiny-debate-transcript 0:00 - Introduction 1:36 - Liberalism vs Conservatism 6:49 - Education 23:06 - Trump vs Biden 43:31 - Foreign policy 56:28 - Israel-Palestine 1:11:25 - Russia-Ukraine 1:23:04 - January 6 1:39:03 - Abuse of power 1:49:01 - Wokeism 1:55:42 - Institutional capture 2:09:36 - Monogamy vs open relationships 2:14:29 - Rapid fire questions Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast: - AG1: drinkag1.com/lex to get 1 month supply of fish oil - Policygenius: policygenius.com/lex - ExpressVPN: expressvpn.com/lexpod to get 3 months free - InsideTracker: insidetracker.com/lex to get 20% off

@_ampersand

3 ай бұрын

Thanks again, Lex!

@Meh-im1qs

3 ай бұрын

WE LOVE YOU LEX

@BBBob123

3 ай бұрын

OOOO

@bigguy4x418

3 ай бұрын

Love you, Lex!!! This is great!! Thank you so much for putting this together!!!

@dorado2431

3 ай бұрын

Love you Lex

Lex hosting the SuperBowl for nerds is a great gift to us all

@nayfanjay9401

3 ай бұрын

Yeah boi!

@dorothyclark8680

3 ай бұрын

YESYESYES

@jackf2210

3 ай бұрын

exactly how i thought of it😂

@watchitallburn

3 ай бұрын

sadly destiny is like an expansion team that somehow ends up playing the patriots in this "superbowl"

@matthewparlato5626

3 ай бұрын

This was dogshit. Malcom Collins, the Venture Capitalist Stanford Grad Pro-Natalist would eviscerate BOTH of these clowns. js

Left vs. Right. Conservative vs. Progressive. Democrat vs Republican. Theist vs Atheist. Traditionalist vs Modernist. Man's name vs Woman's name. This debate truly encapsulated a lot. Thanks Lex.

@user-ce1zb9vb9b

3 ай бұрын

Yes but the man woman shit

@johng9095

3 ай бұрын

​@@QueefMcGeesHousehes connected because hes jewish? Smh

@PerfectHandProductions

3 ай бұрын

Stripper* name

@othosos

3 ай бұрын

Imagine being on the side of the guy whos wife is currently getting resized 🤣@@QueefMcGeesHouse

@Winalot

3 ай бұрын

@@QueefMcGeesHouse so i guess you're literally still flipping burgers or throwing newspapers on a bike like you did at your first job you tried to make by .. you are pathetic, i bet if you sit to debate face to face you begin to stutter and shake lol

Now this is how a real debate works. No talking over one another, no insults, just pure conversation between two different sides.

@79chgoh

15 күн бұрын

I never saw Ben under so much pressure before

@dingickso4098

8 күн бұрын

Rarely see that on the narcissist internet

@teakchain0145

Күн бұрын

You need to be really cult and smart to have this kind of conversation i can't have this profound conversation

I had to double-check my KZread settings because I thought I had set the play mode to 1.5x speed 😂

@FrozenPantiezzz

16 күн бұрын

2:56 this part had me too 😂

@mikisuave

9 күн бұрын

Same!

@marvelousmike5488

4 күн бұрын

.75x is just right

@danielcastro3622

3 күн бұрын

These guys need some bass in their voices lol I think Ben talks through his nose a lot

@KrisMaertens

2 күн бұрын

​@@marvelousmike5488yes,than they speak like normal humans.

Playing this at 0.25x speed so I can follow 👂 👂

@zkilla2924

3 ай бұрын

Weird seeing you here man lmao didnt know you were based like that

@blazingstar9638

3 ай бұрын

😂😂 right

@ravenclaw1985

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@rodriguezk96

3 ай бұрын

Heyyy it's you I love your channel

@tiffanie7139

3 ай бұрын

lol exactly. I usually watch everything on 1.75 and these 2 are about the only people I cannot do that with. 😂

This is 100x better than any presidential debate will ever be

@dannyboyrobb

3 ай бұрын

This should be the presidential debate!

@IronBrigadeStudios

3 ай бұрын

If trump is allowed to gish gallop again it'll be 1,000,00x better

@dadnonlyd3

3 ай бұрын

Because presidential debates are just political theatre

@presssquareproductions2303

3 ай бұрын

gish gallop ... ​@@IronBrigadeStudios

@Quisl

3 ай бұрын

Its not so unlikely that either of these guys might do down that road in 20 or 30 years.

I'm less than one hour in and I already feel like this should be mandatory viewing for all high school seniors. The level of intellect, the respectful discourse, the deep understanding of issues...all are so good. This is what debate should look like. Thanks Lex for making this happen.

@keycuz

Ай бұрын

I'm 52 seconds in, I already feel these guys are not going to debate anything worth debating.

@jack-of-all-trades1234

Ай бұрын

Destiny unwittingly damaged his argument that Trump seriously planned an insurrection by pointing out that none of Trump's own picks actually supported his election contentions. A true insurrectionist would have picked the right people to carry out his demands the first time.

@retror.d.1630

Ай бұрын

No it shouldn’t. This was too one sided because Destiny is pretty much a Right winger.

@revmsj

Ай бұрын

@@retror.d.1630and you are obviously insane

@JJ-sn1wn

Ай бұрын

@@revmsjDestiny is most definitely not really on the left, he’s center at BEST

This honestly has to be one of my favorite debates for destiny and ben. It felt like two people actually having a conversation rather than the huge spectacle i feel like everyone else is trying to put on usually. Neither of them attacked or insulted the other and i got to just genuinely hear two different perspectives and thats all i want

@Music-Is-Real-Love

18 күн бұрын

Thank you, 100%.

@user-eh6ih4ev5e

Күн бұрын

Together, these two guys could probably come up with some great solutions to the issues they debated on.

This might be the single best debate in the last year. No yelling, very few interruptions, solid moderator, many topics discussed. A debate that's actually not enraging or frustrating to watch.

@AlexHenry-hh8yj

3 ай бұрын

Very true, most people are incapable of doing this

@SBoss281

3 ай бұрын

You clearly don’t consume much content then

@rebhi8

3 ай бұрын

Destiny isn’t a true representative of the Palestinian cause

@TheWhisperingPenis

3 ай бұрын

Yeah its 2 people that respect each other beforehand. I think that has a lot to do with it. Both fully realize the other one isn't an idiot.

@LoudWaffle

3 ай бұрын

@@rebhi8 That’s correct because he’s openly pro-Israel 🤨

The friendliest rap battle I've seen

@letyvasquez2025

3 ай бұрын

Toe to toe Curly and Moe Gonna find a foe Like a Will Dafoe Represent…tation

@aaz1992

3 ай бұрын

😂

@dysmissme7343

2 ай бұрын

HA 😂😂

@bepsi8700

2 ай бұрын

bro this literally was hydrogen vs boost translated

@frankkirkman5994

2 күн бұрын

Lil dicky vs G-eazy

This feels like a conversation between my sober self vs I smoked a bit more than usual

@user-bn4jk8gn1k

5 сағат бұрын

ooh I love it. I also swing between being conservative and being liberal, I feel a bit bipolar with it. Destiny is the least offensive of all the progressive media types (and let's watch Ana as she red pills herself, she's fun too)

Great to finally see a calm, factual debate. Thanks Lex, would love to see another round (different topics)

@Music-Is-Real-Love

18 күн бұрын

💯.

It’s actually insane how much more respectful and mature this was than the past few presidential debates

@poet99999

3 ай бұрын

Long form, not just trying to grab legacy media sound bites

@baseguitar02

3 ай бұрын

this is just a fun debate, presidential debate is more like selling yourself to the world so the people vote for you so it becomes more like making the other person look bad and stupid

@miyojewoltsnasonth2159

3 ай бұрын

@@poet99999 I prefer watching videos that are at least an hour. But what percentage of people _prefer_ long form? Sadly, it's probably less than half of people, likely even less. *Reply to:* _"Long form, not just trying to grab legacy media sound bites"_

@dipset4016

3 ай бұрын

Damn imagine this presidential race haha.

@navinnarayan1978

3 ай бұрын

Destiny is not at the same level as Ben.

If only presidential debates were this substantive and good faith. This is what America needs.

@SMMC333

3 ай бұрын

imagine what cultural standards would change if this was the case. the bar for knowledge would be so much higher for knowledge. as of now its just a bunch of black and white buzz word cesspool word vomiting online. this type of dialogue needs to be on the main stage.

@connerfreeman9609

3 ай бұрын

They used to be. Watch Kenny vs. Nixon 1960.

@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat

3 ай бұрын

America doesn't vote for nerds. The last time we elected a nerd was Nixon.

@callumengland6395

3 ай бұрын

For real... the presidential debates aren't even debates

@str-AH

3 ай бұрын

3000% if you didn't say it, I would have. This is what we should champion.

Would have loved a final question for both. Have you changed Alan opinions after this debate

@ultra_epic_guy5966

2 күн бұрын

fr ong no cap no kizzy fax mums mate it would be nice to see if either of them had been influenced by the other

1:25:04 something about seeing Ben Shapiro smiling at Destiny's commentary here is quite heartwarming. Really get the impression that both are enjoying the debate.

@hipunpun

Ай бұрын

2:14:40 here too 😂

@artrex5481

Ай бұрын

I definitely think after this they’ll continue to communicate and maybe even build a friendship, they see more eye to eye than I thought they would.

@hipunpun

Ай бұрын

@@artrex5481 I really hope to see more shared content from them as I really enjoyed this debate!

@artrex5481

Ай бұрын

@@hipunpun have you watched the Jordan Peterson one? That one was more fun in my opinion than this one to watch, they get a little fiery at points, but are able to reel it in and in the end the even acknowledged those moments during a topic regarding force vs justice and emotional outburst in interpersonal relationships, very entertaining

@hipunpun

19 күн бұрын

Really enjoyed that too! Thanks for the recommend! (Also watched Destiny talk about his Shapiro debate and how they took pics & exchanged contact numbers after.)

I sincerely thought my playback speed was set to 2x. I had to check.

@ed1pk

Ай бұрын

0.75x playback speed works well. 😂

@Shawnathon_gayskin_the_seaman

Ай бұрын

Lex actually slowed down the footage in editing

@skeetabomb

Ай бұрын

😆

@doringhaak8392

Ай бұрын

Both fast speakers 😂

@Scott-hb4ef

Ай бұрын

Same lol

LEX HOLD MORE DEBATES PLEASE, THIS COUNTRY NEEDS THIS! 🎙️ MUCH APPRECIATED 🇺🇸☮️

@jpg6113

3 ай бұрын

Have Nick Fuentes on

@nooftaheri3502

3 ай бұрын

There are limits. ​@@jpg6113

@huntersowers7404

3 ай бұрын

​@@jpg6113 yep, because listening to Ben Shapiro and destiny for more than 5 minutes didn't already cost me enough brain cells.

@user-iv1bv6kv6x

3 ай бұрын

​@@jpg6113ew no

@winnablepeach135

3 ай бұрын

Debate is not the end game of conversation you think it is. There’s no saving this country

Thank you for this content❤ it is so so necessary to “Keep it in the Conversation”

This is what a true debate is like. Not yelling over each other, throwing insults, etc. You can hear both Ben and Destiny debate their points and at the end of each segment, both can admit to agreeing to each others points in some way or another. There's no egotistical view that they MUST BE RIGHT at all costs.

This is the longest I've listened to Ben speak without hearing an ad read.

@gmancolo

3 ай бұрын

Benji is a real money grubber and he's promoted outright scams.

@burtbiggum499

3 ай бұрын

​@@gmancolo Well yeah just look at his tiny hat

@lunarvania8073

3 ай бұрын

Did you make this comment at work? If so I guess you and Ben can relate.

@delightlatte7371

3 ай бұрын

Lmao

@juicewilliss

3 ай бұрын

Quick you can still get these special addition gold coins from the U-S mint. Only with this special offer can you dump all your life savings on this once in a lifetime super-duper for realsies! deal of the century! Hurry before your evil gay loving liberal kids tell you it's a scam cause they hate freedom!!

We even got Destiny vs Shapiro debate before GTA 6

@stevenflinn1377

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@NOSTahlgia

3 ай бұрын

Half Life 3

@jpg6113

3 ай бұрын

Have Nick Fuentes on

@jacobvandijk2184

3 ай бұрын

I thought this was an ad for GTA 6?

@user-ln6tl3rl5p

3 ай бұрын

its gonna be on the radio in gta 6

So I enjoyed this-seems like an actual debate between a couple of guys on different sides of the fence from the 1950’s- respectful, curious, and still friendly- no freaking out, screaming, fighting, shooting each other-

Notice how both of them take a second to respond. That is them thinking about what the other said instead of immediately denying or disagreeing. This does not happen in normal debates. Sad.

It’s really a sign of how messed up things are that the majority of comments are people saying how amazing it is that two adults are talking…like adults.

@jamescarbon3853

2 ай бұрын

It's because these two have studied the facts and have formed their own opinions. While the rest of society consume opinions then formulate their facts

@grayhamgrayhamson1466

2 ай бұрын

@@jamescarbon3853 if you hit reply please reply to what I wrote, otherwise just comment on the video

@sajedchreim7118

2 ай бұрын

@@jamescarbon3853I mean you’re not wrong implying that most people form an opinion then gather facts, but Ben Shapiro is one of them. I agree with him on almost everything, but when it comes to Israel, he time and time again exposes his opinion in the face of facts. To the contrary of facts. For me this was enough to stop following him. There are other people out there with a soul, with a heart, that have the same domestic ideas as him. Ben is a smart man, but that doesn’t make him right all the time. On the Israel Palestine conflict, Ben is over his head and completely misguided and misinformed

@InflatableTube

2 ай бұрын

We’ve had almost 8 years of polarized echo chambers bursting out like an H bomb. Fomented by people like Trump, like Shapiro’s company, etc..

@onix044

2 ай бұрын

@@sajedchreim7118misinformed in what way? It’s probably his special interest topic if anything.

This debate is 2 hours long but if you factor in relative talking speed it's really a six hour debate.

@gabrielmarinho6569

3 ай бұрын

👍🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@kzryzstof

3 ай бұрын

You are not wrong.

@instantregret7858

3 ай бұрын

Hyperbolic Debate Chamber

@AureliusX

3 ай бұрын

true

@Outlawstar0198

3 ай бұрын

​@@instantregret7858hyperbolic lion tamer

one of the most insightul and in-depth political conversations ive seen in a long time

in my opinion Lex is the real MVP here. This is the first i have watched, and now have subscribed. i have never and i mean never seen a debate handled with such care and neutrality. It might not look like he does not do much but the man has reached the level cap in facilitation. I think that bad debates can be attributed to poor one sided facilitation and or cutting in and stopping the arguing party mid argument, it breeds frustration and can affect the mental state and the clear thinking of the debaters. Bravo I absolutely loved it.

@Music-Is-Real-Love

18 күн бұрын

YES!! ❤️

This must be the world record for most words-per-minute in a podcast. It's closer to a rap battle than a debate

@claywrangler1993

3 ай бұрын

2 grifters debating. I'm Jewish by birth and first settler on the other side, but i don't grift politically so my opinion doesn't matter

@bpharaoh8765

3 ай бұрын

They are both fast talkers, I have no idea who the second dude is but he holds his own regardless of how dumb his thought process is! I love hearing intelligent arguments regardless of what side the come from!

@bpharaoh8765

3 ай бұрын

@@claywrangler1993so you are a grifter by birth or persuasion? Either way you are an idiot? Agree or don’t agree with what either, or are saying, you can classify anyone with an opinion that utilizes that opinion to make money as a grifter, but that fact alone does not marginalize that opinion

@nocommentingplease

3 ай бұрын

​@@bpharaoh8765 who is the one you know then?

@habibbialikafe339

3 ай бұрын

I listened to this on spotify and slowed the speed down to 0.8x. Highly advise everyone else to do the same.

I've been waiting for these two to have a sitdown forever. 4 hours of debate in 2 hours.

@pbjam2182

3 ай бұрын

If you play it at half speed, the video almost sounds like a regular conversation

@Cimmerian415

3 ай бұрын

​@@pbjam2182 .075x is a good listening speed.

@patrickmcphee770

3 ай бұрын

You must love dumb!

@Seamannon

3 ай бұрын

@@pbjam2182 That's the magic of KZread - you can adjust the speed to your own liking and comfort, no matter how slow or fast the podcasters talk irl. It's incredible! Sometimes I wish I could speed up videos more than x2, but certainly not in case of this particular conversation.

@c.l.368

3 ай бұрын

@@Seamannon the thing that sucks about it is you can't speed people's speech up IN REAL LIFE. I've gotten so used to listening to podcasts at 1.5x - 2.0x that now listening to people at their normal speeds is actually harder for me.

That’s why conversations on podcast with people like you guys is so important because you get to see and hear both sides without name-calling without getting upset or taking it personally these are the facts this is what’s happening and this is why so thank you so much because I do care and I do wanna know why to everything ❤❤❤❤

I was about to slow down the speed to normal and then realized it was already in normal 🤣

i can't explain how refreshing it is to listen to a debate where when one person is speaking, not a single word comes out of the other one until their name is called and their opponent is finished. they just silently sit and write down points to rehash on when it's their turn but there's no interrupting, or like back and forth yelling or emotions. seriously so god damn refreshing

@SherwinChow-cg3nw

3 ай бұрын

Fortunately Shapiro isn’t formulating foreign policies. He has the audacity to condemn the Houties and support the U.S. & British bombings thus espousing ultra right wing political ideology.

@thenecroking6170

3 ай бұрын

now lets look at the hasan card

@saoirse_mavourneen

3 ай бұрын

Yes, very nice to see, you actually get to hear every point.

@Noise_floorxx

3 ай бұрын

Did you actually watch the entire thing?

@blunderman73dicks37

3 ай бұрын

idk ben kept interrupting especially later on

Finally, a conversation at a natural 1.5x speed without having to adjust settings!

@claudetteguimond8035

3 ай бұрын

I missed a few words myself.

@zonehd3433

3 ай бұрын

Am I so mentally ill that I can watch this on 2x speed?

@shmeepurt

3 ай бұрын

@@zonehd3433that’s gotta be brainrot

@samlane9732

3 ай бұрын

​@zonehd3433 I put it on 2x to see what it sounded like... it reminded me of the dude that used to name all the side effects at the end of prescription commercials back in the day lol

@obnoxiaaeristokles3872

3 ай бұрын

@@zonehd3433 No, I don't know what they all are about. I'm watching at 2x myself

Battle of the fastest talking androids

@charongold6532

4 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

As someone who has a somewhat phobic reaction to debates, I found this presentation to be quite enjoyable and educational. Thanks Lex and all your team.

@Music-Is-Real-Love

18 күн бұрын

💯.

This debate is how I imagine it would look like if the embodiment of Adderall debated the embodiment of Caffeine

@SuperJoshuaWorld64

3 ай бұрын

I'd say more like meth vs cocaine

@joeyg29jgjg

3 ай бұрын

Wait which ones which?

@jacobwinburn6307

3 ай бұрын

Someone needs to check for some Guinness Book record for meaningless words said in an hour or something

@dnbjedi

3 ай бұрын

LOLLLLLLL FACTS

@legoboy7107

3 ай бұрын

@@joeyg29jgjg Yes.

We don't have to agree, but we can respect each other.

@theemperor4901

3 ай бұрын

love to see one my favorite channels here

@d4mterro320

3 ай бұрын

We respect eachother, but you dont use logic, so we ll dismiss u justifiably

@alihamdon6644

3 ай бұрын

@@d4mterro320what does this even mean?

@LuchP91

3 ай бұрын

One of the greatest channels on YT. Thanks for everything you do ❤

@RebelGorilla7384

3 ай бұрын

Not if you advocate violence

I have greatly enjoyed this conversation. It is so refreshingly nice to listen to 2 Intelligent individuals from conflicting viewpoints have a civil conversation about politics. Thank you very much for doing this.And using your time.

@Music-Is-Real-Love

18 күн бұрын

💯.

I had to slow this down to 0.75 to be able to keep up with them lol😂.

I love how both let the other talk without interrupting!

@Mrs_Mama_MFT

3 ай бұрын

I was shocked by this. Did you see the debate between Destiny and Glen Greenwood? 🤦🏻‍♀️

@tonyascancook

3 ай бұрын

Destiny interrupted frequently

@hochmeisterr

3 ай бұрын

Because both are dealing in good faith and Factual information.

@jaymay7957

3 ай бұрын

Yeah that’s what happens when you do in person debates haha

@550n440

3 ай бұрын

I wish this was the top comment. Respectful discourse is no longer the norm, and what we now normally see is disgusting.

I'm so glad this is finally happening! Excited to watch!

@ageofhypocrisee

3 ай бұрын

Did you smash the like button?

@raphg6319

3 ай бұрын

@@ageofhypocrisee I think someone has smashed Destiny's wife during that podcast

@Jangel3995

3 ай бұрын

@@ageofhypocrisee🤣

@TheMic13

3 ай бұрын

manifest destiny

@Deleteyourself83

3 ай бұрын

Smashed destiny's wife@@ageofhypocrisee

I consider myself left wing but as an Irishman, what Ben said at 39.09 regarding European Taxation is 100% true. The middle class are taxed to death in this country to the point we have brought about the working poor. I’m not necessarily in favour of the US system, but our taxation laws are fucked

What I like about this debate is that tho they disagree on pretty much like 80-90% of things as well as even proved one another wrong on some topics off and on is that they definitely seem to respect and like one another. Which shows that regardless of your political belief, people can come together and respect/like one another ultimately. I could be wrong but that’s what I’m picking up from this

Imagine if this was the type of discussion we had in Congress. Our country would be so much better.

@dangbruhskyy

3 ай бұрын

Isnt it amazing that this discussion is free? They have real jobs. The time and money wasted in u.s government constant tug of war is just wild

@Queefer8Sutherland

3 ай бұрын

Regardless of Biden or trump, you have two people who understand. We could never hope for so much in any country.

@tnndll4294

3 ай бұрын

yes. left and right thinkers alike. and I personally would rather see them on the same debate team. Defending Israel for example.

@x4mon7

3 ай бұрын

@@tnndll4294 lets be honest they are on the same team.

@zaq9339

3 ай бұрын

People in Congress can't have this type of discussions because they represent interests they can't openly admit to. This is why most people think politicians are idiots who don't make much sense. They do if you consider it's a balancing act between saving face in front of voters and pleasing their masters, whoever they are. Otherwise politicians are pretty smart. We just don't see it.

This was a debate where both parties looked like they were having fun. Incredible thing to watch.

@LLG47

3 ай бұрын

I also think that despite their differences they actually respect and like one another.

@NWBwana

3 ай бұрын

It was actually a healthy debate and disagreement. As observers we didn't witness petulant smears, but an exchange of views and informations such as we now should have a better understanding not just of the topic but of the predominant views represented by these "sides". Its stuff like this that makes diversity a strength.

@wanderingwobb6300

3 ай бұрын

Hoping for more destiny Shapiro content in the future but who knows

@Hoberpopkin

3 ай бұрын

It's a little uncanny and a bit concerning that when previewing comments before I dive into the video, almost every comment is gushing about how wonderful it is that the conversation is civil. While I understand and sympathize with the overwhelming desire to have grounded conversations considering the state of public discourse...everywhere, this is a 2.5 hour video and the top comments are priming me to expect that very little of substance will be in the video itself because all the comments are ONLY about how civil the conversation was. Normally in videos, comments are filled with people zoning in on specific topics that get mentioned, discussing the specifics of what one person or another has said and either picking it apart or responding to it by adding further clarifying details. When I sorted comments by new, things were a lot more specific and came across a lot less...performative/masturbatory, which made me more excited for the video. But the whole thing does scratch at a suspicion I've had for a while now that because our public platforms for discourse is so awful, some people conflate more heated discussions with bad faith discussions because people tend to get angry and heated when their opponents argue in bad faith. And depending on who you agree with, you won't notice the bad faith habits of your ideological ally in the debate but will notice all the bad faith arguments of your ideological opponent, which is why most modern debates are associated with performative rage-bait and polarizing audiences into even smaller echo chambers. Throw in the fact that one side or another might start screaming back in bad faith defensively because the other side started it first, the whole thing turns into a mess really quickly. But good faith heated debates also happen, especially when serious topics are discussed. In fact, if people aren't getting a little heated in discussions about really serious topics, it's kind of a red flag indicating the possibility that the aesthetics of civility is more important than the lives affected by the politics being discussed. You run into a similar echo chamber problem running into reverse--whereas bloodsport debates are useless because nothing gets done, with the target audience being people addicted to rage, a debate running purely on civility politics becomes useless because both sides go out of their way to not challenge their opponents, to avoid controversial topics, etc etc. Anyone who cares about the subjects at hand usually end up not being the target audience--and the people who enjoy the debates are people who see politics as a game rather than a force controlling the lives of millions, often threatening their ability to survive. I'm honestly a bit pessimistic about how this video will turn out. I hope very much I'll be proven very wrong and feel very silly by the end of it.

@soxfan5240

3 ай бұрын

@@Hoberpopkin That was entirely too much to write before ever watching the fucking video. Jesus, STFU and watch it. It's Destiny and Ben Shapiro, if you think they won't have passion just because people said they liked the discourse, you don't know these two..... They live for this shit.

Hum... Could you guys repeat please? Like, everything from the beginning? And in 1/5 speed?

This video was absolutely FANTASTIC!!. I loved every single second of this debate. BOTH of them were amazing, and it made my day. Very impressed. Thank you, Lex!!

I'm not saying that these two should do a weekly discussion, but I'd totally watch if they did.

@saraarlavi4217

3 ай бұрын

Maybe not weekly, but I'd totally go for monthly.

@yessir7004

3 ай бұрын

Need to add Alex Jones and I'd tune in for sure

@saraarlavi4217

3 ай бұрын

@@egroendyk What passes for good for you then just curious?

@pablowall

3 ай бұрын

​@@egroendykhey buddy, hope you're doing well, just wanted to tell you to shut up. Adding nothing useful and you're wrong

@AnorexicPandas

3 ай бұрын

They should have a podcast

The fact that Lex still only mentions the sponsers in the description, instead of clogging up the actual video just further enforces how real he is. He could be making thousands per month, instead he chooses to provide the purest experience. Legend.

@handidles

3 ай бұрын

He could be making thousands per month 😂😂 wdym, he is making thousand per month

@Kakakakakakakakakakakaka684

3 ай бұрын

@@hiddxnlxavxs3968man shut up bro

@TheK9music

3 ай бұрын

Making thousands per month 😂 Dude he makes thousands per couple days if not every day

@psionicdongpunch

3 ай бұрын

Hadn't even noticed that, but massive +1

@frankvonfrauner

3 ай бұрын

It enforces that he's financially comfortable

No your playback speed is not set to 2x. This is actually how fast they talk 😂

@Music-Is-Real-Love

18 күн бұрын

😃 yep.

This was a fantastic discussion. The world needs so much more of this. Talking and keeping human connection in the face of different views and values is vital to society.

Ben finally having a conversation with someone who speaks as fast as he does.

@googleisevil8958

3 ай бұрын

Can anyone else keep up though? I feel if the two talk any faster they'll punch a hole in the space/time continuum.

@ThePurpleButterfly21-ie7ve

3 ай бұрын

Ben's faster... just saying.

@SH2-136

3 ай бұрын

​@googleisevil8958 I enjoy when people talk fast, I usually speed up to 1.25x on videos but these two I have no need lmao

@megamax898

3 ай бұрын

Two turbo manlets.

@Lizards_Lounge

3 ай бұрын

actually...in this case i thought they were noticably slower...

Its such a breath of fresh air to leave a debate and NOT be either frustrated, annoyed, or left learning absolutely nothing . You guys did a great job. Very respectful.

@servanttofriend8481

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment, we deposited your shekels in your account. Sincerely, Dem boys.

@zipzzo

3 ай бұрын

Nice! Did you change your mind about any of the topics discussed or did you find despite convincing arguments and it being a "breath of fresh air" that you still believe in exactly the same things you did prior to the video?

@metaljacket8128

3 ай бұрын

Indeed!

@metaljacket8128

3 ай бұрын

​@zipzzo Could you possibly have worded that more passive-aggressively lmao

@salvest3rr

3 ай бұрын

lmaooo not possible but i am interested in the answer @@metaljacket8128

Idk how many times I had to check if it was 1.5 or normal speed.

Enjoyed it but had to play it at .75 speed. 😂

This should've been like 4-5 hours tbh. Feels like they could cover so much more ground. What a pleasure to listen to both being well mannered and considerate

@Zeesneakyninja

3 ай бұрын

They need to start a series

@lybnychavez6953

3 ай бұрын

Lex said it’s part 1 didn’t he

@TheAutoexecbat

3 ай бұрын

they both speak fast enough that it was

@Neworldisordered

3 ай бұрын

5 hours and continue taping while they have pizza/beer together.

@TheBeefPudding

3 ай бұрын

@@lybnychavez6953 yeah but who knows when they will actually reconvene. Could be over a year even more. I'd love a bit meaty part 1 to tide me over. Hell I'd tune in weekly for a series lol

What would it take to make this a weekly podcast? Maybe a 10-part series? This was the most respectful disagreement I’ve ever witnessed and the world needs to see much more of this!

@johneaston8314

3 ай бұрын

I honestly didn’t see the appeal. It was just Ben walking destiny around the track for 2 hours

@diddlefiggins6557

3 ай бұрын

@@johneaston8314Wrong

@davidhoffman2311

3 ай бұрын

@@johneaston8314 How do you even come to this conclusion? Bro, how do you even see reality in such a way to allow you to come to such a conclusion? I’m willing to bet you watched 10 minutes before going into comments and just assuming everything based on the fact that you aren’t able to pay attention long enough to realize this was a back and fourth style of debate.

@TC-jo2vj

3 ай бұрын

All 3 should be laughed out of polite society.

@johneaston8314

3 ай бұрын

@@davidhoffman2311 insulting me rather than addressing what I said.. you didn’t get that from the video. What argument or position in this entire “debate” did destiny win on?

i recommend 0.75 play speed. it is actually more natural speed to listen to them

Here is what I have to say about education. I want to agree with destiny, but here are the problems. 1. What will they be taught? Western thought? Eastern thought? Marxism? We would HAVE to teach Western thought because the Constitution is based on Hume or Neo-platonism philosophy. 2. Bring back trades in schools.

This was so much better than I was expecting. Both of them are known to be fiery but damn this actually felt like a meeting of minds. LOVE when debaters aren't screaming!

@user-vd5ko4ob6y

3 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/o3-rycmhY5nWnbQ.html

@ThaDonJsuan

3 ай бұрын

Ben vs destiny was as if ben read the whole article and destiny just read the headline. He just didnt know the details on anything.

@Azrael1486

3 ай бұрын

​@@ThaDonJsuanthank you for noticing that. Props to Destiny for being civil, but to anybody capable of following their points. Destiny would make a superficial statement that sounded good.... Until Ben dismantled it point by point with in depth facts

@kosmokramer5420

3 ай бұрын

They are two sides of the same coin They are both ultra liberal

@bluhminonion

3 ай бұрын

I think anyone that thought going in to this that there'd be anything other than well reasoned arguments and respectful dialogue hasn't watched very much of their content.

Actually getting to watch 2 people finish their topics with neither of them interrupting each other? WTF IS THIS? Love when people can actually get their full point across without getting interrupted. It makes for a good debate.

@calvinhobbes5524

3 ай бұрын

Thinking Ben Shapiro has a point lol.

@emperortrajan3609

3 ай бұрын

What are you talking about, Destiny wouldn't shut the fck up when Ben tried to answer questions, especially about foreign policy. Kept saying "one more question" or "one last time" and kept trying to deflect the conversation on what VERY little Biden did. Very annoying.

@gbake6080

3 ай бұрын

@@calvinhobbes5524 cope

@itsonlyagame

3 ай бұрын

to be fair they are both agreeing on a lot of things so ig the mutual respects comes from it Ben has a persona to protect and maintain while Steven likes to do a lot of research not only about the topics but the person he is going to debate with. you wont see Ben going beast mode yelling at people unless you watching tiktok "destroy" complications of rare occasions where ig he some sort of been rude back to someone else who was definitely rude. sure I wish every debate would go peacefully but you cant deny that if you are not already well known on media having heated debates can and will bring more views

@TLEberle

3 ай бұрын

Disagree. Destiny was constantly interrupting with vocalizations. He wasn't butting in with disagreements but it's not the same is not interrupting.

It actually sounds so normal at 0.75x playback speed

Amazing. Thank you for giving us this, Lex! It’s a breath of fresh air.

Debates without insults are the best

@richardhands904

3 ай бұрын

Although i loved this, the odd one where people are at each other throat is enjoyable as well.

@locochang6533

3 ай бұрын

I prefer the insults.

@AlbinoWhiteGuy

3 ай бұрын

@@richardhands904Having a mix is definitely good.

@MrImagin

3 ай бұрын

no insults?!? Ben called Destiny a Republican in the fist minute!! haha

@Patrick33194

3 ай бұрын

Except if Alex Jones or Trump are participating

This is low-key how presidential debates should be throughout the entire four years before election

@braincell4536

3 ай бұрын

these people should run for president. but the broader political system would crush them.

@Dr.Jekyll_

3 ай бұрын

Joe would fall asleep 10 minutes in, lol🤣

@DropIt56

3 ай бұрын

You want an incumbent president to waste their term having debates like this instead of running the country?

@Nikolaki514

3 ай бұрын

If only presidential candidates were as cordial and respectful as Ben and Destiny. Sadly most people who seek political office are power hungry and not decent people.

@Grits-N-Gravy

3 ай бұрын

What does the term low-key mean? Did it replace “true” as the next generation’s nonsensical overused catchy sounding word?

I had to look whether play speed was 1.25x or 1.5x, turns out it's just normal speed

I like how the studio makes it look like Ben and Steven are sitting on the floor.

Why is this KZread video stuck at 2x speed?

@Pi7on

3 ай бұрын

For real haha, I did check

@RoboGoby

3 ай бұрын

it's catching the drift of how fast Ben Shapiro talks.

@daveonyoutube3374

3 ай бұрын

Lmfao trueee

@Sigueme1

3 ай бұрын

Because of Lex …dude is mega slow compared to Ben 🤣🤣

@lilbigman777

3 ай бұрын

It's multiple/most videos doing it, some glitch lol

I turned it down to 0.75 speed, but now Lex sounds like he's had a stroke

@Bmksmn

3 ай бұрын

😅😂

@bryced28

3 ай бұрын

😂😂

I'm diggin Lex. Keep it up my man!

Please bring them back for a part 2. The format was perfect.

@ds7335

3 ай бұрын

Agree

@skoobuh

3 ай бұрын

Please don’t show these idiots again absolutely baffling 😂

@kevinhoang9074

3 ай бұрын

It should be Ben and someone else from the left like Kyle Kulinski

@MrMortombachman

3 ай бұрын

Ben would completely destroy Kyle. Longtime listener, but he's lost his touch

@saumitrad

3 ай бұрын

@@kevinhoang9074 That would be a blood bath. Ben would demolish Kyle. In the liberal - left - atheist - antTrump side there are only two people who can compete with Ben - Destiny & Sam Harris. The list is Finite.

People have wanted to see these two in the same room for what feels like a decade, and it finally happened! Pretty cool, definitely a highlight reel moment

@freedomf1ghter77

3 ай бұрын

Must've felt drier than a desert

Israel doesn't need justification in the Golan Heights? Democrat, you seem to have forgotten that Israel won the Golan Heights in a war. The Golan Heights is also of very great strategic importance.

1:00 You look like Cooper Howard from Fallout speaking for Vault-Tec

9 hours of debate compressed into 2 and a half hour video. Thank you!!

@TerryFD721

3 ай бұрын

Underrated comment

@NitishRhae

3 ай бұрын

Good one 😂

@11arkasha11

3 ай бұрын

that is just cuz hey speak at warp speed LOL

@chunkykong1976

3 ай бұрын

@@11arkasha11exactly

@haruhirogrimgar6047

3 ай бұрын

​@@11arkasha11 Meh, they were pretty slow here. Needed to kick it to 1.5x speed to get them to normal.

It's so weird watching a debate where people are not constantly trying to talk over each other.

@jayzhou104

2 ай бұрын

exactly. Or the host is strongly favored against one side. The Ron vs Newsham debate is so bad like kindergarden play.

@davestuddaman8127

2 ай бұрын

​@@jayzhou104Well yeah, been to Cali lately. It's a s***hole As far as this one goes. You have a Harvard law school grad correcting a streamer with TDS

@OverkillKillerr

2 ай бұрын

This!!!

@marlak1104

2 ай бұрын

This is tame.

@jayzhou104

2 ай бұрын

@@davestuddaman8127 which himself described as total useless unless you are a stem major. I wouldn't use degree as a way to silence someone. Destiny makes great points.

This is glorious. If only everyone could speak to each other with this much knowledge and respect. ❤

extremely civil...both men....excellent debate

@Music-Is-Real-Love

18 күн бұрын

💯.

Haven’t seen a logical discussion of ideas like this pertaining to the right and left in probably 5 years. No name-calling, attempts at ‘gotcha’ moments, constant interrupting, etc. This was refreshing.

@lMobiuscidl

3 ай бұрын

An actual well done debate.

@jtjones4081

3 ай бұрын

Let me help you out Ben, this argument is to point out that trump is unfit for office. Anyone with a couple brain cells and a modicum of integrity knows that.

@treshawndeandre

3 ай бұрын

It’s because Destiny is one of the few liberals that can actually debate, you can put him with almost any conservative and it’ll go well. Most of the liberals I’ve seen debate instantly go to personal attacks and constant interrupting like they’re afraid to let them speak a full sentence.

@gooberthoreau

3 ай бұрын

Destiny was a bit more tame here than he has been. Lately he has been terrible in debates, just gets so worked up he sounds manic, talks over people, etc. Here was better, though a couple times he got a bit into patronization.

@emmersonzhaime1998

3 ай бұрын

@@treshawndeandrelol that comment can easily be made by a person on the left referring to the right. The reason why most debates are not civil because of people like you who assumes that the other side is always argue in bad faith

I enjoy this type of debate. No screaming over each other. Just a conversation where the content is more important than the show

@admill77

3 ай бұрын

It’s respectful conversation from both sides. It’s obvious that they both feel strongly about their opinions but are able to create space to prevent tension from boiling over. This was a really great and interesting listen!

@youssefdirani

3 ай бұрын

I believe we should call for a referendum made by true original land owners (Palestineans, including native Palestinean jews) and they decide the state they want. Simple. Very simple. It's not a thousands of years matter. Zionism is danger and should not be adopted by a state.

@megeramilosskaya1

3 ай бұрын

@@youssefdiraniwhat’s so dangerous about it?

@stonetemplepilot420

3 ай бұрын

God I hate these comments and I remembered why because there's no actual substance in them. I'm looking through these comments for what one person said and it's COMPLETELY OVERSHADOWED by "oMg what a healthy conversation!" I don't care! Yes, these are two people who realize civility looks good, now can we talk about what was said?!

@zaneboettcher6257

3 ай бұрын

I think the biggest part that also drives this debate is that they find common ground, and see where their similarities in idea are. It’s important to separate facts and common ground from opinions to keep the debate healthy. It’s about the ideas they believe, and not the person themselves. Honestly, we need more of this in everyday life and universities. It’s important to band together as US citizens, voice our concerns, but also find common ground to make sure everyone can prosper.

I checked my playback speed 3times while listening to this podcast

U can see these two men have great respect for each other

@han1218

24 күн бұрын

Destiny didn't have that much respect for Jordan Peterson, who thinks more before talking. Ben is closer in style with Destiny, both fast talkers.

@justinmadrid8712

9 күн бұрын

@@han1218Destiny learned from Peterson not to “play games”. When Destiny starts losing, he starts dragging the debate off the rails to where he says things like, “how do you know the sun will rise tomorrow”. And Destiny’s fans will think he is the next Aristotle for asking that. 😂

This is golden having two ppl who are known for speed taking having a 2 hour discussion

@KouichiU

3 ай бұрын

Imagine this would have easily been twice as long if they spoke normal speed

@Al-Gore-ithm

3 ай бұрын

Lol if you go into settings and adjust the playback speed to .5, it will sound like a normal conversation. Just kidding but if you actually listen to it like that it sounds like 2 16 yr Olds getting stoned for the 1st time and having a deep conversation.

@Eldeecue

3 ай бұрын

All I hear when either of these two talk is the murloc aggro noise.

@yusocrazy5882

3 ай бұрын

@@Eldeecuemlghrhhghhghgrhhg

We need parts 2 through 10. This is the best thing I've watched on KZread... maybe ever

@robbirose7032

3 ай бұрын

Wait until you find Skibiddi toilet. Mind blowing.

@robbirose7032

3 ай бұрын

@jjboss7896 how is it ironic?

@Stonymontana14

3 ай бұрын

@@robbirose7032thx for the nightmares

@AH-tx1nj

3 ай бұрын

Chocolate rain - #1. This video is a close 2nd.

It's unbelievable how much was said in like 20 minutes that my brain hurts from comprending it all. This is the most interesting conversation ever.

A great dialogue, but can you talk a bit faster next time, chaps?

This is how political debates should happen. There was agreement on basic facts and respect amongst the two and no constant interruptions.

@AYAmusicish

3 ай бұрын

That would be great but I don't think our two current front-runners for each party would be able to keep up unfortunately. Probably some younger candidates would be a good idea

@henryjumbohead5391

3 ай бұрын

@@AYAmusicish true. And that’s at a detriment to us all.

@keengkai8175

3 ай бұрын

political debates have a different goal. Agreement and respect are not it.

@strangetimez

3 ай бұрын

​@@keengkai8175this is so true

@jefferyhellerjh

3 ай бұрын

@@keengkai8175That’s exactly what should change

This was probably my favorite debate I’ve listened to in a while. Both were very respectful, made solid arguments on either side, pretty much no interruptions or speaking over each other, and everything flowed well.

@p0tatobiden250

3 ай бұрын

Trump knows how he lost is the problem!!

@GeopoliticsDaily538

3 ай бұрын

They’re both vile Zionists, this is barely a decade.

@trickmuffinful

3 ай бұрын

​@p0tatobiden250 good boy. You listen so well. Now vote for who we tell to vote for.

@markcrnkovich

3 ай бұрын

Why?

@TonyB369

3 ай бұрын

@@markcrnkovich ?

This is actually an 9 hour podcast - Lex accidentally exported the video at 4x speed

That was honestly SO refreshing - from start to finish - I don't know what to say but "kudos" to the whole thing^^~

I love that the moderation was only there to ask questions, and these two allowed each other to make their points. Can you imagine if this was the standard for a presidential debate? We might be able to actually have an informed vote.

@keegansillaots4327

2 ай бұрын

Lex is the man!

@firepuppies4086

2 ай бұрын

Oh it should be... But the people in the debate can be the issue

@petroboomn7491

2 ай бұрын

Not likely to happen cuz these 3 men are very intelligent, articulate, and respectful individuals. I'm not saying they are saints or care particularly about every person, but these guys are relatively fair level headed and real. The personalities that usually succeed in US politics today are sensationalist demagogues who function on mob mentality and will say whatever they have to WIN PEROID.

@TheBryanyingst

2 ай бұрын

A Russian Jew, Zionist, and Liberal Jew walk into a bar. Everyone boos. Go home - nobody wants your propaganda anymore.

@tomgeoghegan9173

2 ай бұрын

@@keegansillaots4327 Non stop yammering.

Finally a conversation between people from across the political aisle without constant interrupting and name calling and cheap insults, just comparing each other's ideas and trying to see where the other stands in relation to them. These kinds of conversations is what we need in an increasingly divisive world instagated by social media. It's certainly way more constructive than the 10,000th "Ben Shapiro DESTROYS leftie college student" debate about the culture war.

@ryangordon8147

3 ай бұрын

I had some buddies tell me it was boring and I laughed. This is how the conversation should look, if you want children arguing then watch actual politians. LOL @countbaldwin - Great comment!

@hellowill

3 ай бұрын

I wouldn't call Destiny a far leftist

@yGKeKe

3 ай бұрын

I mean, you could label this one as "Ben Shapiro DESTROYS leftie cuckold" and it would still be accurate. Destiny spent at least 30 minutes whining about a merry go round when he was the one driving the carousel.

@RicardoRangel-ll7dp

3 ай бұрын

Destiny didn't do any better except maybe studied before the debate since it was a predetermined debate. Ben destroyed him on on debates that had to do with western society since he has facts on his side. geo politics is wanky since it includes foreign countries who do not have same laws as us. American politics destiny just crying trump is bad orange man. This debate was just Ben explaining how everything works to destiny.

@robertortiz-wilson1588

3 ай бұрын

​@RicardoRangel-ll7dp I agree to a large extent, I'm just really tired of the word "destroyed." I also appreciated the honestly and civility.

I comes down to just saying a loud that having kids out of wedlock causes problems instead of trying to blame it on institutional racism...

Did anybody else watch this at 0.75x speed? Lmao.

I love how it starts with them just naturally disagreeing. All Lex had to do was intro them and it all started from there

@mrcutkut

3 ай бұрын

i feel like their intros are synonymous in form. they both want the government to incentivize "good" things. and names those good things as constitution and bill of rights. but destiny is saying they should incentivize maslows heirarchy for those in need so they can enjoy those freedoms. otherwise its a slippery slope of trickle up power

@lilblankiesama269

3 ай бұрын

Yeah...that's the point. The most important thing to highlight is that it was done respectfully.

Nice to see 2 guys not just yelling at each other for an interview. They're both actually listening and not cutting each other off. Touchè fellas.

@dip9995

3 ай бұрын

Agreed I'd love for them to have a part 2.

@NoTerrorManagement

3 ай бұрын

They're both extremely smart. Destiny single handedly puIIed me out of the right, but Ben is a very knowledgeable individual too.

@benjaminghazi787

3 ай бұрын

@@NoTerrorManagementsorry to hear that.

@Anonymous-fx3oc

3 ай бұрын

Because they mostly agree with each other that’s why they’re not yelling at each other. There’s sports debates that are more entertaining than this garbage

@kirstyc2176

3 ай бұрын

why?@@benjaminghazi787

This is the debate that will stimulate the senses

I frequently forgot that Lex was in the room