Ben Gold VS Eric Ginner - Millipede World Championship (1983)

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www.PatrickScottPatterson.com - Two of the biggest video game superstars of the early 1980s faced off one-on-one in 1983 as part of the television pilot for the Video Game Challenge.
Eric Ginner was the Millipede world record score champion at the time as well as the winner of a National Centipede Championship contest. His opponent was Ben Gold, high score champ on titles such as Q*bert at the time, and the winner of a multi-game playoff on That's Incredible that included Millipede.
Who won this throwdown between two early arcade heavyweights for the world championship of Millipede? Watch and find out.

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  • @xtraflo
    @xtraflo7 жыл бұрын

    lol - "Ben, what difficulties did you run into?" "The Camera, lights and the Crew" - haha

  • @nodlike3164
    @nodlike31648 жыл бұрын

    I would totally watch this now, especially if The Real Don Steele was still around to announce it. This was so short lived it isn't even listed on hi IMDB page.

  • @PatrickScottPatterson

    @PatrickScottPatterson

    8 жыл бұрын

    +NODlike 316 - It was a one-shot.... a pilot that didn't get picked up for a full run, sadly. The video game industry was in a free fall at the time... just bad timing.

  • @sebastianharker4892
    @sebastianharker48922 жыл бұрын

    I truly loved playing Centipede. The video arcades back in the early 1980's were frickn amazing.

  • @darklordojeda
    @darklordojeda5 жыл бұрын

    I was born in Mountain View, California and grew up there. Probably went to the same arcades as this guy.

  • @presidentsnow7315
    @presidentsnow73158 жыл бұрын

    These guys are amazing. Millipede and Centipede are like the hardest arcade games ever!

  • @Hotshotter3000

    @Hotshotter3000

    5 жыл бұрын

    And Missile Command. Holy Shit missile command...

  • @synthguy7774

    @synthguy7774

    3 жыл бұрын

    And Tempest.

  • @PatrickScottPatterson
    @PatrickScottPatterson12 жыл бұрын

    Seeing those who have is an amazing thing for sure.

  • @Hotshotter3000
    @Hotshotter30005 жыл бұрын

    1983 was the year Millipede's records were set and not broken until 2005. Ben Gold's top score is 4,304,549 points. Later in 1983 two more dudes broke his record, (Steve Winter at 4,702,733 and James Schneider at 6,995,962). The current world record holder is Donald Hayes with 10,627,331 points. Broken on February 7th, 2005.

  • @PatrickScottPatterson

    @PatrickScottPatterson

    5 жыл бұрын

    I always feel statements like this are historical plays on fact. It seems to claim that nobody was capable of setting a new record on the machine from 1983 to 2005. But in that, TG's arcade went out of business in 1984 and they only took scores in tournaments for a couple of more years until shutting down totally until 1999. It wasn't until 2004 after that when they got a full on new database going, one rebuilt from old news clippings and magazines as the original database had been lost. Millipede was still a staple in many arcades well into the 1990s... quite likely that more players were capable of beating the record but had no scoreboard to submit to. Unrealistic to act as if there were simply no challengers for that whole span of time.

  • @Hotshotter3000

    @Hotshotter3000

    5 жыл бұрын

    That's a good point. But here's the problem... you need to prove it. Look, I grew up in the Middle East, There were a fuckton of arcades where I grew up and no matter where I went, there were always a place or two (or three or four or five) where I could either find a full blown arcade or at least a place with a machine or two to earn the shop owner some extra cash. Some players were extremely (and I mean EXTREMELY) good at some of those games. Keeping track of records was damn near impossible. Did you know that there were Pac-Man and Space Invaders cabinets even in remote settlements in the Amazon Jungle? I'm not kidding. Who knows? Maybe someone in 1985 managed to play the perfect game of Pac-Man 14 years before Billy Mitchell succeeded in doing it. This is the problem. The people who hold the records might not even the true champions. I sure as hell know that many of them aren't (there are youtubers with larger records than some players on Twin Galaxies). But without anyway of authenticating scores those claims are pointless. And even then, rules are needed to judge the scores evenly. Many games eventually added continue features that allowed you to retain your score even after continuing. Someone who is good at finishing a game with 3 or 5 credits and gets a massive score doesn't compare to someone who can finish it with one credit, even if the score is technically less (but in most cases that actually isn't true). In some games the ability to continue almost counts as cheating, like in many beat em' up games. Usually in those games they grant you a level end bonus that awards massive points if your health bar is on max, so dying just before you defeat the boss and kicking his ass while on the temporary invulnerability phase would give an unfair advantage in a competition. Authentication and rules... those are key.

  • @Hotshotter3000

    @Hotshotter3000

    5 жыл бұрын

    Also one other thing I forgot to mention, and this isn't really specific to any time but... I guess prior to the internet age and keeping records online, most people would have no idea WHAT the high score would be. Some hotshot player somewhere playing his favorite game might rack up an impressive score that would beat anyone in the country and he would not know it, and even that score might not even be nearly enough to break the world record because he doesn't know what it is. I mean as a kid I was a mean Time Pilot player, I finished the game through twice (it loops infinitely), I thought I was the best there was since I figured no one would want to play through all the stages twice. Boy howdy was I wrong...

  • @PatrickScottPatterson

    @PatrickScottPatterson

    5 жыл бұрын

    You get it, but on the other side of the door from me. From my seat, there's such a small cross reference of players of games vs submitted scores that I just have to take it all into perspective. Simply can't take the "first ever" "only in the world" "world record" stuff seriously.... it's simply the highest submitted scores of a literal fraction of 1 percent of people who've played those games. The idea of "getting authentication to make it official" is laughable when there's 60 or so Pac-Man scores considering 100's of millions have played the game.

  • @musicfan300

    @musicfan300

    Күн бұрын

    ​​@@Hotshotter3000It's not likely people in jungles or the Middle East got the highest scores in the world in the beginning (the 1980s) when the machines were first introduced to the world. The reason for that is because all these games had programmers, and wherever these programmers worked, mostly in Japan and America's Silicon Valley, people who knew those programmers were the first ones to know "insider's secrets" to the games...(don't forget the games had to be test played at the companies where they were produced many times)... because of that, many of the high scores in the beginning came from Silicon Valley where Billy Mitchell grew up. Also, it's not likely for a person who's "ripped off" or copied an inside skill(s) to be a better player than the person who truly discovered/invented it. Life just doesn't work that way.... That being said, records weren't really kept back then, Twin Galaxies was just kind of a page that sort of attempted to record the high scores on many arcade games for posterity (no one else did it at all)... As someone who was playing many of those classic games when they first came out, I can tell you that by 1982 many people had already gotten to the kill screen of Pac Man, (I watched part of these) and so a perfect Pac Man game was probably done well before 1985, but Billy Mitchell happened to do it at a time and place where everything was "officially recognized". I used to flip through Twin Galaxies "world records" when they started and knew of several games where I'd personally witnessed people scoring higher than the "record" listed....that all being said, if you want to see someone who's really good, I can recommend the guy who reached the Ms. Pac Man kill screen, Mikeville66 on Defender, and the guy who scored 800,000+ on Robotron playing with only 5 guys TOTAL (no extra men allowed) at a tournament.

  • @CoinOpTV
    @CoinOpTV12 жыл бұрын

    could never master those trackball games

  • @GodupInc
    @GodupInc8 ай бұрын

    Playing millipede in 2023 this game is such a classic

  • @ChadQuick270W
    @ChadQuick270W5 жыл бұрын

    How awesome is it that The Real Don Steele is hosting? A true DJ legend 😎 as for Millipede, that was a killer fun game

  • @DrMrProfessorPatrick
    @DrMrProfessorPatrick5 жыл бұрын

    Delightfully '80s, haha! Thanks for sharing.

  • @segaofmyhouse
    @segaofmyhouse12 жыл бұрын

    their skill, it's beautiful

  • @schitlipz
    @schitlipz7 жыл бұрын

    It was standing up with that heavy roller controller under my palm that I miss so much.

  • @coffeecuparcade
    @coffeecuparcade2 жыл бұрын

    Loved this so much!

  • @whompmaster
    @whompmaster9 жыл бұрын

    I'm not even sure I remember this on TV but I like it!

  • @PatrickScottPatterson

    @PatrickScottPatterson

    9 жыл бұрын

    whompmaster - It was a one-and-done pilot episode if I recall correctly. Blink and you'd miss it.

  • @whompmaster

    @whompmaster

    9 жыл бұрын

    Patrick Scott Patterson Yep, I blinked and I missed it. Looked really cool though!

  • @hemachanderrubeshkumar6892
    @hemachanderrubeshkumar68923 жыл бұрын

    This was a throwback!

  • @Sannidor
    @Sannidor6 ай бұрын

    Nobody thought about giving them bar stools. Amazing game, I loved it as a kid in my local arcade. Yes, I'm old 🤤

  • @PatrickScottPatterson

    @PatrickScottPatterson

    6 ай бұрын

    I suppose that's true but maybe they didn't think it looked good for television or something.

  • @Basssinger86
    @Basssinger8611 жыл бұрын

    Except for the heights, they both look almost exactly the same.

  • @clownsechonk
    @clownsechonk10 жыл бұрын

    Spoiler Alert: He dies in the end...

  • @ronniemillsap
    @ronniemillsap5 жыл бұрын

    Great!

  • @scottson2
    @scottson210 жыл бұрын

    I scored 366,050 on robotron...

  • @ytgc-royalewarex5190
    @ytgc-royalewarex51903 жыл бұрын

    Such a piece of history in Esports origin

  • @PatrickScottPatterson

    @PatrickScottPatterson

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes and no. Something like this IS an example of early competition, but it's not like esports didn't become a thing if this hadn't happened. Nobody watched this. You couldn't draw a direct lineage here.

  • @theopenrift
    @theopenrift Жыл бұрын

    Bro how's my man just sliding toward each of the players like that at the beginning??

  • @ien2023
    @ien20235 жыл бұрын

    Back when life and video game was simple.

  • @MasontheMarxistDog
    @MasontheMarxistDog2 жыл бұрын

    This game is hard

  • @ion-shivs
    @ion-shivs3 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if Ben still has that arcade machine.

  • @PatrickScottPatterson

    @PatrickScottPatterson

    3 жыл бұрын

    I believe he sold it off online a decade or so ago.

  • @wiseallan1018
    @wiseallan10188 жыл бұрын

    Awww. I miss my atari

  • @dawnknightx
    @dawnknightx12 жыл бұрын

    It's videos like this that make feel like I was born in the wrong era.

  • @musclethings1
    @musclethings111 жыл бұрын

    I just got 110,295 points

  • @toanew
    @toanew10 жыл бұрын

    who is in it this year?I heard the commercials during this championship rival the super bowl.

  • @NoEgg4u
    @NoEgg4u4 жыл бұрын

    I would like to see the full footage of each of their games. Although entertaining, this video focused too much on the narrators and the interviews. Watching expert players, all the way through, is a sight to behold. Too bad that footage is not available.

  • @PatrickScottPatterson

    @PatrickScottPatterson

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well, it was an attempt at selling a TV show. For every person that would want to watch the full gameplay there are a million others who'd never want to do that. As it was, this show didn't get picked up past this pilot, so people at the time weren't even interested in what they got here.

  • @NoEgg4u

    @NoEgg4u

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@PatrickScottPatterson But I imagine that they did film the games in their entirety. Sure, for a Television show, they had to do what they did. But if they did film those games, it would be great if that footage still exists. That is what I was referring to. I would like to see that footage.

  • @PatrickScottPatterson

    @PatrickScottPatterson

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'd say there's a 1 in 1 trillion chance that footage still exists. TV in those days would very quick erase or tape over things to save money, especially for things that were only supposed to air once or that didn't get picked up for a full series, like this one. It's not only probably gone but it's probably been gone since just after this was cut together.

  • @NoEgg4u

    @NoEgg4u

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@PatrickScottPatterson kzread.info/dash/bejne/oYqt1cOwp7epfdI.html

  • @GROENAASMusic
    @GROENAASMusic6 жыл бұрын

    One of the, if not the earliest official competitive gaming competition I presume?

  • @PatrickScottPatterson

    @PatrickScottPatterson

    6 жыл бұрын

    It would be an early one, yes, but not the first by many years.

  • @PatrickScottPatterson

    @PatrickScottPatterson

    6 жыл бұрын

    In fact, they were both there because they'd each won previous competitions.

  • @Hotshotter3000

    @Hotshotter3000

    5 жыл бұрын

    Not even. The early 80s were lousy with video game contests.

  • @maaaguz
    @maaaguz7 жыл бұрын

    so coool.....one of the best arcade inventions... arcade competitions should have been on tv more often

  • @maxtwentynine5968
    @maxtwentynine59684 жыл бұрын

    Sweet

  • @bobpatel5646
    @bobpatel56464 жыл бұрын

    I thought that was Junior Bruce, I know that voice anywhere

  • @travellingshoes5241
    @travellingshoes52416 жыл бұрын

    Was there a lot of stuff like this on TV back then?

  • @PatrickScottPatterson

    @PatrickScottPatterson

    6 жыл бұрын

    Not too much, but there were four That's Incredible contests on TV back then, the first on Ms. Pac-Man in 1982. And there was the show Starcade. Thing to remember is that TV shows take time to greenlight and go into production. By the time most caught on to the high score chasing that went mainstream with Space Invaders, Asteroids and Defender... the public had started to care less... so few watched and therefore few aired.

  • @kilroy987
    @kilroy9876 жыл бұрын

    1:52 Members Only jacket?

  • @paulmichaelfreedman8334
    @paulmichaelfreedman83344 жыл бұрын

    Yep, hate that clogged screen. Can turn the game south in a split second. Also the reason I can't get past ~415,000

  • @damienstrong2820
    @damienstrong28208 жыл бұрын

    My score is 1,0000002323 I fainted at end

  • @lobelvis
    @lobelvis2 жыл бұрын

    El origen de los e-sports

  • @Lightblue2222
    @Lightblue22223 жыл бұрын

    "Until then, keep shootin!"

  • @proskills2168
    @proskills21686 жыл бұрын

    The tall one was chewing on rocks.

  • @a.ben1137
    @a.ben11372 жыл бұрын

    So this tournament is lay the foundation for esport. ( Atari still a grandfather of all video game ).

  • @PatrickScottPatterson

    @PatrickScottPatterson

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not really. There'd been numerous organized video game competitions from 1977-1982, including the 1980 Space Invaders tournament that many in the esports world credit as "the first"

  • @SeaJay_Oceans
    @SeaJay_Oceans3 жыл бұрын

    Amazing how serious they can talk about something that sounds like a bad drug experience, if you hear a section of it without the video...

  • @bltvd
    @bltvd7 ай бұрын

    Ben Gold won but Eric was one bad Ginner!

  • @richarddutchholland4780
    @richarddutchholland47803 жыл бұрын

    With Don Steele being there they should have made them dress up like Machine gun Joe and Frankenstein

  • @trueanonymous3112
    @trueanonymous31124 жыл бұрын

    He doesn’t give much talk to Eric lmao

  • @TheCooterpuppet
    @TheCooterpuppet10 жыл бұрын

    Don Steel's nose, wtf?

  • @estebansteverincon7117

    @estebansteverincon7117

    9 жыл бұрын

    Cocaine is a hell a of a drug

  • @badeggs13
    @badeggs1312 жыл бұрын

    HAHA the last thing he wants to see is that fucking game now he's the best at it xD

  • @unebonnevie
    @unebonnevie6 жыл бұрын

    These players must have one hell of a time when talking to girls! They seem so reserved/quiet!

  • @Hotshotter3000

    @Hotshotter3000

    5 жыл бұрын

    The focus these guys have on their games is unbelievable though.

  • @paulmichaelfreedman8334

    @paulmichaelfreedman8334

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's called autism nowadays. The lucky ones have Asperger Syndrome. Same trait makes them ace these kinds of games tho.

  • @IWertzy
    @IWertzy7 жыл бұрын

    Damien strong no it wasn't

  • @NiteCyper
    @NiteCyper10 жыл бұрын

    EEEEEEEEEee-SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORTTTTTSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

  • @kimjongun2946
    @kimjongun29462 жыл бұрын

    SHOVE IT, GINNER!

  • @dimwit818
    @dimwit8182 жыл бұрын

    they got the personalities of dish rags. lol

  • @Spoif
    @Spoif6 жыл бұрын

    Ben Gold... is *SPOK*

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