Ben 10 vs Green Lantern Analysis Follow-up Video

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Just clearing up a few things on my Ben 10 vs Green Lantern analysis/retrospective. I appreciate the positive feedback and constructive criticisms, but there are a couple of major points that I felt like addressing.
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  • @JonathanFrostathan
    @JonathanFrostathan9 ай бұрын

    Oh, and before anyone asks, I have no interest in dedicating videos to any other episode to the extent I did with Ben vs Hal. I only did this one not just because it's controversial but because there are a lot of reasons why. Other episodes are controversial for simple reasons: the verdict was divisive. The stats were wonky. The research was questionable. None of that is interesting enough to warrant a separate video imo.

  • @AJ_Animationss

    @AJ_Animationss

    9 ай бұрын

    I like that you stated at the start that it was subjective because in the comment of your last video some people were saying "green lantern wins and that's that, Kuro's just a hurt fanboy" ignoring any other argument or acting like the end wasn't subjective

  • @thedotgiver2820

    @thedotgiver2820

    9 ай бұрын

    .

  • @AkutagawaSan

    @AkutagawaSan

    9 ай бұрын

    John I agree for the most part that death battles can be subjective. But there are objective death battles. One example would be Deku verses Altair Pendragon. Certain Battles are for sure true. People don't like when there are objective winners in a battle that is unfair.

  • @Kwizzy8406

    @Kwizzy8406

    9 ай бұрын

    Thank you

  • @shifterlocker2361

    @shifterlocker2361

    9 ай бұрын

    You were pretty moronic and idiotic with becoming angry as a dog in the end in the end episode was still bad and will still be remembered badly deal with it.

  • @theintelligentork7470
    @theintelligentork74709 ай бұрын

    Damn you’re really going for the whole Ben 10 vs Green Lantern experience

  • @adammarch9604

    @adammarch9604

    9 ай бұрын

    I know right? 😂

  • @darkron288
    @darkron2889 ай бұрын

    While i did think you came off as a bit to aggressive in your other video, however i felt like it was out of a place of frustration and not malice, ben 10 vs green latern is a frustrating episode to talk about and everyone knows that

  • @JonathanFrostathan

    @JonathanFrostathan

    9 ай бұрын

    Yep. You'd be right on the money.

  • @Dante_Fr
    @Dante_Fr9 ай бұрын

    I feel like Kuro the artist is hated on too much. He's not the greatest content creator or analyzer. Just a fan of a franchise that has been thrown away and left to rot. That's what we the Ben 10 fanbase are 😔

  • @baki484

    @baki484

    Ай бұрын

    I agree Kuro seems a *very* chill guy hell I think he's the friend I needed when I was picked on at school for loving Ben 10 to the point of being called a Ben 10 freak because it's all I'd draw. (the character got me into drawing). But Kuro's debunk series was mostly Ben 10 bias and whole lot of Green lantern downplay for example "Ben can turn into the nanomech as do the antman thanos thing" with out acknowledging little details like greenlantern's rings resistence to such attacks (nanomech would be melted the moment he touched the auto shields among the many counters being superior to what the omnitrix has showcased. Greenlantern is also severely underrated then I did more research and yeah Hal is above Alien X and Ben in general and some of his feat done without amps.

  • @Dante_Fr

    @Dante_Fr

    Ай бұрын

    @baki484 I can't say I'd agree. But everyone is allowed to have their own opinions. And don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Green Lantern. I have pictures from when I was a kid in Green Lantern pjs. I just don't think base Green Lantern could beat a Ben with master control. It's always fun to have a discussion though. Please feel free to explain why you think Green Lantern could win. Or don't. It's aight either way

  • @e1iteyoshi998
    @e1iteyoshi9988 ай бұрын

    I know i said this in the previous video but i feel like the reason why people value the verdicts was cause Death Battle holds a lot of influence in the vs community. Their old slogan of "settling the debate once and for all" did play a key part in that when looking back at the earlier seasons. Remember how they claimed in season 1 and 2 that Superman was limitless and how he lifted the Book of Infinite Pages solo when it was mostly Green Lantern who was putting in most of the work carrying it? They changed their tune on it over the years but still people were given the perception that Superman was this invincible being who couldn't be beaten by anyone even that's not true at all.

  • @Predator20357

    @Predator20357

    7 ай бұрын

    I remember it and I think you’re mixing the Spectre and Book of Infinite Pages together. Green Lantern plus some other heroes helped lift up Spectre (who definitely can’t be that heavy/dense to be the weight of everything) For the Infinite Book, it was Shazam who helped SuperMan move the book a small bit before it launched them back (It’s also not infinitely heavy, its just the weight of all books created, it does have an end apparently) Either way, Death Battle definitely had huge consequences for any kind of VS debate for at least a while.

  • @AwesomeMooseSmile

    @AwesomeMooseSmile

    4 ай бұрын

    Frieza vs Megatron is another huge example. This is a matchup where both characters are pretty even in power and good arguments can be made for either winning (especially for Megatron), but because they lowballed the SHIT out of Megatron and made look like he was out of his league, and considering how the matchup to outsiders initially looked like a shitwipe, they did not do a good job selling the matchup to people in terms of how it'd actually go, and now the consensus of the matchup is no longer "this matchup sucks because the characters are incompatible" and is now "this matchup sucks because the characters are incompatible AND it's a pointless stomp".

  • @Spider-fan2038-js1iq
    @Spider-fan2038-js1iq9 ай бұрын

    This kinda makes me wonder what a team up between Green lantern and Ben 10 would look like.

  • @geobeatle

    @geobeatle

    8 ай бұрын

    Think it would be cool if Ben sees Hal as a partner but Hal sees Ben as a sidekick

  • @l0sts0ul89

    @l0sts0ul89

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@geobeatle Vetern and Rookie Cop movie

  • @baki484

    @baki484

    Ай бұрын

    Hal would be mentor. Come to think of it Max's Tennyson is like Hal Jordan if you look at their origins so Hal is a younger superpowered grandpa max.

  • @umbrella3235
    @umbrella32358 ай бұрын

    Despite the flaws, I still feel that your video was a well put together analysis of Ben vs Hal. And the drama around it. Oh and about that concluding line, I think a better way to put it would be "why do you feel the need to be validated for liking a character by them winning a Death Battle episode"

  • @Tylerr_Creative
    @Tylerr_Creative9 ай бұрын

    I respect your ability to call out when your wrong or misinterpreted something. I’ve been catching up with your other season retrospectives so I’ve been enjoying your work, look forward to season 6

  • @jaystar4968
    @jaystar49688 ай бұрын

    this makes me wanna sub, man can make a good analysis vid and read all the comments just to make this follow up from all that, this is impressive

  • @interlegere5603
    @interlegere56038 ай бұрын

    One other thing I noticed in your first video was how much you criticize Kuro over his “I was fine with the recap” statement. I believe that this is a misunderstanding on your part and bad wording on his part. He appears to be referring to the part where they recap the story of Ben 10 during their analysis section, not the conclusion of the death battle.

  • @hype5456

    @hype5456

    6 ай бұрын

    I wouldn't even call it bad wording on kuros part it just seemed as though he didn't even understand it properly like he didn't fully watch it

  • @christianjacobs2193
    @christianjacobs21939 ай бұрын

    It was an enjoyable watch. I've seen a weird spike of Ben V GL videos lately with different vantage points, around the video and the debate

  • @hattoripool1533
    @hattoripool15339 ай бұрын

    You know I feel that if this death battle was made now they would have made custom sprites for the aliens and Ben himself that used the Omniverse designs

  • @user-kx5gs3fc4h
    @user-kx5gs3fc4h9 ай бұрын

    I saw the video and at first I was like, oh great, he's gonna bash Kuro more

  • @JonathanFrostathan

    @JonathanFrostathan

    9 ай бұрын

    Nah I also felt that I was too harsh on the guy. That aspect definitely came from my frustrations with making the video, albeit I forgot to mention it here. Like I said, Kuro's a great guy.

  • @user-kx5gs3fc4h

    @user-kx5gs3fc4h

    9 ай бұрын

    @@JonathanFrostathan he is, he and everyone else on the InkTank. His channel is really the only Ben 10 content KZread channel

  • @hype5456

    @hype5456

    6 ай бұрын

    ​​@@mauricereticau6292yeah not even close, while he had some fair critiques he was also being a dick and even taking wording in his vid wrong or just ignorant. Don't be clueless

  • @Fang1st
    @Fang1st8 ай бұрын

    I'm glad you admitted to your hypocrisy, it takes a lot to own up to things like that. And it's not like your video was bad in any way, I actually learned a lot about Hal from your last video. As for the people's views on DB episodes, there'll always be some who just want their characters to win and don't care about anything else, but most people care more about understanding why one side won over the other, and I think that's why this episode was so bad in particular since the explanation was just so lacking on both sides. I won't go off into a million explanations or anything, I'm sure you got that in the last video, but still, good video.

  • @pedrohlm9734
    @pedrohlm97348 ай бұрын

    Nha you were fine, I agree with what you said at the end about the conclusions in the sense that certain people dismissed an entire episode because of a conclusion (like I heard a guy say that the episode he hates the most is Ultron VS Sigma because in the conclusion they contradicted what they said in the analysis about Ultron being constantly defeated by viruses and that's kinda stupid since the rest of the entire conclusion is correct both by its own logic and by everyone's general concession). Worst of all is that as you said, they are not consistent, people complain that Ben VS Hal is bad because of the bad conclusion but they don't do the same thing for other episodes with bad conclusions like Guts VS Nightmare and Iron Man VS Lex Luthor. Same goes for stomps, I saw a comment saying "If Ben was going to be stomp by Green Lantern, why bother doing the episode" when that's completely idiotic since they done stomp matchups before (which are WAY worse than Ben VS Hal both by the episodes own logic and by the general consensus) like Optimus VS Gundam, Weiss VS Mitsuru, Captain Marvel VS Shazam, Flash VS Quiksilver among others. If anything, it's better when they do stomps matchups because when they do debatable matchups where both sides have an equal chance of winning, one side inevitably ends up acting like an annoying sore loser and tries to create arguments (generally bad ones) where their character completely stomps the other (Wally VS Sonic and Vader VS Obito). Anyway here's Ben VS Hal's G1 blog in case anyone wanted to check it out: g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2019/05/death-battle-predictions-ben-10-vs.html?m=0

  • @thehappyaipom6302
    @thehappyaipom63029 ай бұрын

    It's near impossible to do a video like this without your feelings towards it creeping through in one form or another. While you are a bit aggressive in your points, they are also valid points in the end and kept your video on point and accurately aired your grievances to both the fan bases reaction as well as how the show runners responded. No harm no foul. You made your point in a coherent way, even if trolls and die hard fans still try to poke holes in it all. This followup video just asserts your passion for reviewing death battles as a whole. I'll be going to watch some of those season retrospectives now. Cheers, keep up the great work.

  • @Saulgoodmas
    @Saulgoodmas9 ай бұрын

    Everyone makes mistakes and that makes sense. People have bias, ah well, but your opinion is your opinion on the end. I agreed with most of your points in the original video!

  • @MetaKnuxXbeats
    @MetaKnuxXbeats9 ай бұрын

    This is a pretty hard episode to talk about if anything. I still like the video but I feel like the main problem is that you could of worded your points better in the end but it happens.

  • @MrChava54
    @MrChava549 ай бұрын

    I thought it was made and said practically perfectly and this may or may not be the petty side of me talking, but I really hope Kuro himself sees it.

  • @RealB0ssMak3r
    @RealB0ssMak3r9 ай бұрын

    Big problem about Death Battle in the past and at times now, is how they never focused on both combatants equally and balance it out.

  • @JackC077
    @JackC0779 ай бұрын

    Hey kinda unrelated to the video but who would you want to see in a death battle. I'd like to see gohan vs invincible personally. Good vid btw with me I just wish the end of the animation did something cooler to end the fight.

  • @matthewk122
    @matthewk1229 ай бұрын

    Love your videos, so may I ask which two characters you like the best

  • @alviabtahi5440
    @alviabtahi54409 ай бұрын

    This video needing a follow-up of all your vids is really funny

  • @boxytheboxmaster1452
    @boxytheboxmaster14529 ай бұрын

    Let me just say that this ep should have been either the premiere or mid season finale for season 6

  • @geobeatle

    @geobeatle

    8 ай бұрын

    As much as this episode sourd my taste of the Ben 10 fan base it could have very well been a finale

  • @boxytheboxmaster1452

    @boxytheboxmaster1452

    8 ай бұрын

    @@geobeatle that too

  • @jackoca4905
    @jackoca49058 ай бұрын

    just got caught up on your videos covering this! ive been very entertained with these, ive known about kuro before the db episode and i was put off by your demeanor, however upon reading ur pinned comment and description and a couple from here i was able to see it as more understandable than mean. overall i think your video was good! versus debate has always been a very sticky mess to cover, you do pose a good point, whether the GL db used was composited or not, he was not composited (assuming he was in the first place) to his maximum as shown by the audio clip you provided that mentioned HaL being the strongest version of specter and what not. im personally in agreement with Kuro that DB shouldn't have touched the character, as he said they seem to be more focused on melee brawls but not every character is that. one last thing, i dont believe i have EVER heard that the omnitrix has a cooldown on defending ben, also also, this doesn't work as this happened before and the omnitrix presumed to use bens then severed hand to return to him and while severed use of the omnitrix trasnformed the hand AND Ben who was on a diff plane of existence at the time. however as you already said in the description of ur last vid this wouldn't even come up since the sodabro effect would allow ben to counter hal.

  • @LightScintchilla
    @LightScintchilla9 ай бұрын

    To me, the research is cool to learn the characters and to show how much the Death Battle team understands the characters, the animation is solely for entertainment value (though i do 100% understand and somewhat agree with the animation being important. Death Battle likes to be contradictory in their animations for dramatic effect and it makes it confusing. like how they say Jiraiya has nothing to stop Roshi's Kamehameha *while showing him do just that in the animation in the background* during the conclusion), and the conclusion is way more important than the verdict. The reason I believe the conclusion is so important is because *anyone* can say who wins a VS matchup. The conclusion is them explaining *why* in their eyes that the winner was decided. And if its explained poorly then its explained poorly and it makes it feel like they either didnt do enough research or they ignored some of what they researched. A good example is Jotaro's diamond destroying feat that they seemed to pretend didn't happen in the conclusion of Jotaro VS Kenshiro.

  • @Jacksontrooper777
    @Jacksontrooper7778 ай бұрын

    The video made sense don't take down the video It was a good video 👍

  • @Citrine
    @Citrine8 ай бұрын

    The verdict honestly only matters because there's a sizeable portion of the DB fanbase that goes around parroting DB and ONLY DB's analysis/verdict regardless of how good or bad the quality of the analysis actually is, otherwise I don't think most reasonable people care about it aside from how bad they explain some of them.

  • @JonathanFrostathan

    @JonathanFrostathan

    8 ай бұрын

    Oh in that context, I totally agree. Even I've fallen under that shill numerous times during their early days.

  • @Justcallmeaqua420
    @Justcallmeaqua4209 ай бұрын

    I say, you said nothing wrong, just had bad wording like you said. Though fuck Death Battle for wasting what coild have been one of the BEST space battle match ups, Alien X vs Green Lantern

  • @hybridvenom9
    @hybridvenom99 ай бұрын

    Then check out the show that i need to also check out ben 10 i need to i just don't want any spoilers on the show

  • @StriderStryker
    @StriderStryker9 ай бұрын

    Even if you fumbled it, it’s your opinion that matters. *No problems here lad* 😊

  • @xavierjohnson2321
    @xavierjohnson23219 ай бұрын

    If the Omnitrix doesn't have a cooldown then what's with the whole timing out thing and it turning red for a while in the OG show from 2005? Because iirc, in the first episode of the entire series we see that Ben actually pressed the face down and was Heatblast most of the episode and it timed out on its own.

  • @Loldino897

    @Loldino897

    9 ай бұрын

    OK From the og show untill omniverse it was not the true omnitrix first was the prototype then the Ultramatrix

  • @c.k.6939

    @c.k.6939

    9 ай бұрын

    You kinda answered your own question, only the Omnitrix from the original series (and by extension episodes from other series that take place around that timeframe) has that function. Once it upgraded itself and eventually got replaced by other models in subsequent series, timing out was no longer shown to be a concern as it was replaced by what fans assume is a sort of battery system, where Ben can transform back and forth as long as the Omnitrix has enough energy.

  • @xavierjohnson2321

    @xavierjohnson2321

    9 ай бұрын

    @@Loldino897 Oh okay.

  • @13KuriMaster

    @13KuriMaster

    9 ай бұрын

    Those are actually safety features and limiters put on the Omnitrix for whoever is just starting out with it... features that can be disabled. If you want to stick with the OG show for your example, then the proof is in the season 2 Finale, "Back with a Vengeance", where ben is able to temporarily disable that (and then thinks he unlocked the master control). Throughout this episode, we get a big taste of how strong Ben can be at his full potential, Gwen comments about ben being Stinkfly "for hours" (he was giving rides to tourists as a way to make some easy money), he can switch between forms with a thought, and when he close to go back to human for a small bit he was able to go back into alien form the second he thought of it without waiting for a recharge.

  • @Pedro_Marangon

    @Pedro_Marangon

    9 ай бұрын

    @@13KuriMaster he didn't only think he unlocked the Master Control, he actually unlocked the entirety of Master Control. The main features of the Master Control are: 1) Transformations can last for however long the user wants it 2) Instant transformations with only the user's mind (no need for cooldown or touching the dial) 3) Can switch between any transformations directly, without changing back to the user's OG form 4) Access to everything the Omnitrix has - this means all utility features (i.e. language translators/changing the device's appearance/DNA restoration/etc), access to the entire DNA database, etc. In "Back with a Vengeance", Ben actually unlocked the entire Master Control, however because he didn't knew that he had access to all of the features/aliens (in fact, at that point he didn't meet Ben 10000 and discover he had over 10K aliens, let alone the 1000912 total), he didn't used it and only used the ones he knew he could access (if, for example, he knew Alien X/Humungossaur/Feedback/Eatle/Spitter even existed, he could've used them in the episode, specially in the iconic sequence where he's quickly changing between all of his aliens while fighting Vilgax and Kevin 11 in the Null Void).

  • @starfishsicko
    @starfishsicko8 ай бұрын

    Def no reason to remove the video. I don't even think this clarification was nevessary

  • @optiplate457
    @optiplate4578 ай бұрын

    You should do an analysis about the "Killua vs Misaka" I'm starting to see some debuk vid of it and it surprisingly makes many sense

  • @marfield7401
    @marfield74019 ай бұрын

    It's alright dude I really liked your retrospective video I had a lot fun watching and I can't wait for the other DB seasons retrospectives in the future keep up the work brother again It's still a W Based video not biased lol.

  • @checob224
    @checob2249 ай бұрын

    I just have one question, how was green lantern able to reverse being erased by alien x?

  • @drculegit2849

    @drculegit2849

    9 ай бұрын

    Yeah, if alien x erased him as quick as he’s been stated to, how would he be able to come back?

  • @checob224

    @checob224

    9 ай бұрын

    @@drculegit2849 yea idk, that's why I'm asking.

  • @autisonm

    @autisonm

    9 ай бұрын

    Someone told me in the previous video's comments that Hal supposedly survived instant erasure multiple times and one of those times he was supposedly unconscious.

  • @texcorps9432

    @texcorps9432

    9 ай бұрын

    The Argument is he literally is capable of willing himself through it which depending on what you believe works but its insanely hard to find a medium ground for DC and Marvel characters due to the length of time they've been around, so many having countless writers and generally a lack of care for consistent power level for the sake of a more interesting story. Most big members of the JL feel like their a lot less competent and powerful inside a JL book as compared to their adventures in their own solo series. I'm going to be real, where I personally place Hal I'm not confident he'd beat X but there is a way to debate Hal of beating him when you look at his history and high end feats. DB Debates comic characters usually by their highest end feats which isn't always bad as it stops them from using low ends outliers most of the time like when street level characters react to people like Superman but it's not exactly always a fair basis to look at them in their best feats with most of the time they aren't written that way and there's no singular writer to try and get clarification form

  • @l0sts0ul89

    @l0sts0ul89

    8 ай бұрын

    Someone stronger than Alien X couldn't erase Green Lanterns

  • @lopresti101
    @lopresti1019 ай бұрын

    Jon, let me read you something I learned from my College Sociology textbook: “Sociologists, must establish VALUE NEUTRALITY, a practice of remaining impartial, without bias or judgment, during the course of a study and in publishing results (1949). Sociologists are obligated to disclose research findings without omitting or distorting significant data. Is value neutrality possible? Many sociologists believe it is impossible to set aside personal values and retain complete objectivity. They caution readers, rather, to understand that sociological studies may, by necessity, contain a certain amount of value bias. It does not discredit the results but allows readers to view them as one form of truth rather than a singular fact. Some sociologists attempt to remain uncritical and as objective as possible when studying cultural institutions. Value neutrality does not mean having no opinions. It means striving to overcome personal biases, particularly subconscious biases, when analyzing data. It means avoiding skewing data in order to match a predetermined outcome that aligns with a particular agenda, such as a political or moral point of view. Investigators are ethically obligated to report results, even when they contradict personal views, predicted outcomes, or widely accepted beliefs” What does that all mean? It means when applying research or making statements…EVERYONE IS BIASED. I’m biased towards Ben 10 and so is Kuro, you’re biased towards Death Battle and Liam’s biased towards Green Lantern and DC Comics (He’s a big fan of the Imaginary Axis, which so am I, and has done a lot of work on DC and just Comics specific Death Battles)…..and that’s okay. It doesn’t discredit anyone and that’s something I had to learn a long time ago to realize the fact that we’re all hyped up about this means that we all just really care. No malicious intent, this isn’t political. Nobody is actually dying and it’s fine to express your opinions just as Kuro and even Death Battle did. Sure we can all get annoyed and heated but that’s because we all just want Truth and Justice to prevail…like these characters do… To be fair though, I don’t expect you to be reading this comment. I know from personal experience this battle can be A LOT. So please, turn off notifications and focus on your mental health as much as you can. Work on your next review and maybe I’ll see you there. ✌️

  • @JonathanFrostathan

    @JonathanFrostathan

    9 ай бұрын

    This comment means so much to me. Thanks, dude. I do hope that you stick around and maybe check out my older/non-Death Battle related vids, as well, but if not, I'm glad that I received your input specifically. ;)

  • @lopresti101

    @lopresti101

    9 ай бұрын

    @@JonathanFrostathan No problem! I definitely will check out the rest of your videos. I also really hope there’s no bad feelings towards Kuro, I’ve worked with him before and even met the Ink Tank in person and he’s a great guy, really caring and proactive and just wants to dispel some misconceptions about a character he loves. But I do agree with some of your points about his analysis, hell even stuff you didn’t mention in your video I disagree with him on. But I’m sure he doesn’t still hold those same beliefs now. Also, Seththeprogrammer hasn’t been in a video with him for at least a few years now. So I’m pretty sure he’s broken ties with him just like with Justarobot. Even claiming them as not the right scalers for him in his newer power scaling video. Glad he isn’t with those guys anymore. Because yikes. I also recommend looking into 5YL or even just Ben 10 on Netflix/Max if you can, it’s a great series. I also do a lot of edit work and funny stuff on my Twitter if you wanna check it out. x.com/lopresti101/status/1678434119087267840?s=46&t=F1AL416RPEALOAxEIEyF4A

  • @JonathanFrostathan

    @JonathanFrostathan

    9 ай бұрын

    I hold no ill will with Kuro at all. I wouldn't have linked his Alien X video if I did, but yeah, I was way too hard on him at times and, looking back, I didn't need to bring Seth into it (even though it was mainly for the dunks but you know).

  • @comicking428

    @comicking428

    8 ай бұрын

    @@lopresti101 "Liam's biased towards Green Lantern because he watches Imaginary Axis and does a lot of work on DC Comics fights" A good chunk of which lost. Immediately after this fight he had Lobo lose to Ghost Rider. I understand what you're trying to say but you can still be biased towards a franchise or character and agree that the character loses. The video should just be judged for how the arguments are presented without assuming the writer's intentions or personal favorites.

  • @lopresti101

    @lopresti101

    8 ай бұрын

    @@comicking428 Okay I understand that and agree with you in how the information should be presented, but that's not what I'm saying at all. Hell, I watch Imaginary Axis alot and I think Tyler's great, but Liam has shown a history and proficency of anaylzing Comics characters specifically. He even took Blue Beetle's side in Ben 10 vs Blue Beetle on their recent Podcast. And of course Liam does other match ups where Comics characters lose, like with Lobo, but his proficiency has clearly shown favoritism sprinkled throughout other episodes writings that even I've noticed (like calling parallels to DC multiverse or characters in other episodes and even using terms like "Bastich" in non-specific episodes for that reference that I've noticed). Which is fair. Those characters and their world are awesome and he’s even batted against DC on podcasts using other forms of media where his proficiency lies. Yet in the case of Ben 10 Vs. Green Lantern, where it's to be "judged for how the arguments are presented", it's definetly not his best work. There are many inconsistencies that Jon brought up in his previous video and even just flat out lies that I brought up in a previously made blog post: comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/death-battle-ben-10-vs-green-lantern-my-thoughts-2023537/ (Disclaimer: There is some information even I got wrong in this old blog I wrote, even claims I don’t stand by today, but Liam literally misconstrued Grant Morison's Green Lantern run, multiple times. As well as information about Ben 10. So why would he do that?)

  • @vigour6786
    @vigour67868 ай бұрын

    While this battle is far from subjective, it is still amusing to see people defend the fact that Ben 10 lost somehow to a guy who had his entire power stolen from a guy with no powers. Alien X would wave his hand and erase every version of Hal from the timeline with no problem.

  • @l0sts0ul89

    @l0sts0ul89

    8 ай бұрын

    Expect if you watched both videos you'd know that's not possible

  • @bendover4823

    @bendover4823

    8 ай бұрын

    Alien X does not have the power to wipe out someone who survived the entire multiverse being erased. Universal reality warping is pathetically weak compared to what Hal fights all the time.

  • @vigour6786

    @vigour6786

    8 ай бұрын

    @@bendover4823 A GL has never recreated an entire universe

  • @bendover4823

    @bendover4823

    8 ай бұрын

    @@vigour6786 He's done way more impressive things than that. Most of Hal's enemies make Alien X look like a joke. Everyone he fights is a multiversal reality warper.

  • @vigour6786

    @vigour6786

    8 ай бұрын

    @@bendover4823 so has alien X

  • @kermitgotthesickkicks4265
    @kermitgotthesickkicks42659 ай бұрын

    The main thing I wondered about this deathbattle is why was it ben vs green lantern if it was gonna be a stomp in the first place? Probably wanted Ben 10 nostalgia or something.

  • @autisonm

    @autisonm

    9 ай бұрын

    Yeah, why premiere a new series in DB if its going to be a complete stomp?

  • @irrelevant739

    @irrelevant739

    9 ай бұрын

    They expected Ben to win.

  • @comicking428

    @comicking428

    9 ай бұрын

    Outside of speed it wasn't a hardcore stomp. Plus most of the people including DB themselves expected Ben to win. As for why DB episodes still happen if they're stomps, usually for entertainment value. If it makes for a fun fight, giving a series some spotlight, or if there is actually a hardcore debate and the other side really isn't aware of how strong the opponent is.

  • @secondone3249

    @secondone3249

    9 ай бұрын

    IIRC They were originally going to have Ben fight Beast Boy

  • @cheetahofthewind13

    @cheetahofthewind13

    9 ай бұрын

    I feel like this was likesonic vs wally, even if it a stomp every other match up for ben could be a stomp for the other opponent. which imo ben vs hal is less of one but most of that is well alien x, waybig, atomix, and feedback/chromastone doing the bulk of heavy lifting as they can either somewhat to being able to compete with hal and in chromestone and feedback's case could potentially take the energy feom the ring and throw it back at hal but im not going to go further as idk if that possible or not (Also yes i know chromastone has died twice in the show but he does have a similar power set up to feedback)

  • @crazycgaming3074
    @crazycgaming30749 ай бұрын

    fun fact about alien x that makes the entire death battle just sheer disrespect to Ben 10 is Alien X and his abilities, if they watched ultimate alien, which lets be honest they didn't watch it because why would they do deep research, but celestial sapiens have the ability to erase people immediately, Kevin in the very episode of ultimate alien I am talking about specifically says, and I quote "they could just blink, and you'd be gone" meanwhile those guys were showing him basically Thanos snapping Green Lantern, it is not that Ben 10 shouldn't have lost, (cause lets be honest even with all of Ben's feats, he probably doesn't even have nearly as much experience or training as Green lantern) it is that they portrayed Ben's aliens, and specifically Alien X terribly, they didn't even use the actual creators of Ben 10 as evidence because they probably know that Ben is terrifying, if you want more information, ink tank goes deeper into this

  • @mauricereticau6292

    @mauricereticau6292

    8 ай бұрын

    The whole "blink and you'd be gone" thing was referring to normal humans, not space cops who have tanked the erasure of the entire multiverse and fight multiversal reality warpers every Tuesday. And the creators of Ben 10 say so many contradictory things that are sometimes just them joking, and the fanbase runs with them as if they're 100% canon.

  • @crazycgaming3074

    @crazycgaming3074

    8 ай бұрын

    @@mauricereticau6292 say you didn't read my comment without saying you didn't read my comment, did you forget about man of action answers your questions (aka the real creators of Ben 10) and how they say they are serious about the blink and you'd be gone, and Green Lantern is still human, some people are truly clowns

  • @mauricereticau6292

    @mauricereticau6292

    8 ай бұрын

    @@crazycgaming3074 The same people who said celestialsapiens cannot survive multiversal destruction unless they form a group, which makes Alien X weaker than Hal? Yeah I read that q&a blog. It doesn't matter that Hal is human. He still tanked erasure on a scale that makes Alien X look pathetic. You're the clown who plugs up your ears whenever the facts prove your childhood hero is not even close to the strongest in fiction. Being universal fodder is not enough to beat even mid tier DC heralds.

  • @comicking428

    @comicking428

    8 ай бұрын

    @@crazycgaming3074 Yeah, human if you take away one of the most overpowered weapons in the DC universe out of his hands. Also, they address the whole "blink and you're gone" in the Q & A, and it comes down to "GL's so op and his ring offers plenty of protections, so he wouldn't be erased." Creative liberties and animation critiques aside, the animation was clearly showing the GL ring preventing Hal from getting erased.

  • @KEEPTALKIN8215

    @KEEPTALKIN8215

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@crazycgaming3074one of the creators said peskydust can effect celestial sapiens

  • @PumpkinNite
    @PumpkinNite9 ай бұрын

    I literally just watched that video of yours before you announced this lol

  • @sourlab
    @sourlab9 ай бұрын

    The fact that ya know the man killed a ten yr old was my problem tho Also thnks you made me intriged and I binged the series incredible series btw if you were like me curious watch the series it's realy cool seeing how much they've improved they got a playlist in chronichal order Edit : wow that was a random tandem

  • @MeltyVampire
    @MeltyVampire9 ай бұрын

    You came insanely aggressive in the original video. Don't do that sort of thing next time if you're gonna have to make a video like this right after.

  • @heyguysxd
    @heyguysxd5 ай бұрын

    I think your video was still really good. 😂

  • @user-cm1uy6hw9p
    @user-cm1uy6hw9p9 ай бұрын

    Neat 😎

  • @user-ye1tj6jy3j
    @user-ye1tj6jy3j9 ай бұрын

    Ok

  • @KINGPUMKIN2
    @KINGPUMKIN29 ай бұрын

    Ben 10 > green lantern tbh

  • @baileywalker2478
    @baileywalker24789 ай бұрын

    I really feel indifferent about this whole thing. I think Alien X should have won because he’s omnipotent but I don’t know anything about Green Lantern feats and how the community reacted to it.

  • @ultimatealienx8658

    @ultimatealienx8658

    9 ай бұрын

    You straight up speaking big FAX my man + W comment 👍🙏🤝

  • @baileywalker2478

    @baileywalker2478

    9 ай бұрын

    @@ultimatealienx8658 Thank You. You want know something even worse? I have anxiety. When I was watching his video yesterday I felt like I was half way to a anxiety attack. If I can’t trust The Ink Tank for information who can I trust?

  • @ultimatealienx8658

    @ultimatealienx8658

    9 ай бұрын

    @@baileywalker2478 yeah man that right there is making me nervous about the video alot tbh Also ink tank is the only channel where kuro the artist are known as ben 10 expert and no other channel can understand the complex of ben 10 lore than kuro the artist himself

  • @baileywalker2478

    @baileywalker2478

    9 ай бұрын

    @@ultimatealienx8658 THANK YOU!!

  • @ultimatealienx8658

    @ultimatealienx8658

    9 ай бұрын

    @@baileywalker2478 UR WELCOME BRO 💖💖💖

  • @spookynigga3112
    @spookynigga31129 ай бұрын

    My only problem with your last video, is that you where mainly sounding a bit snobby at some point's it was kinda heh....

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