I love hearing bell hooks speak.

Lisa Fischer: "I just did not give a ish anymore." Oh how I love that statement from her! I am sad for her special friend's passing but I am glad for what it awakened in her. I know about not caring about the BS anymore and just doing me. Go Lisa! This natural "I love me as I am " look about her is breathtaking, even more than her days when she was "in the system," so to speak.

Lisa Fischer, this is a beautiful testimony of finding a self through your mom and friendship. Many blessings, and love this conversation among sisters.

@janedoe5082

9 жыл бұрын

I really loved when Lisa Fischer noted she saw her mother putting on makeup for her husband as an act of love. I

I was kinda hoping Lisa Fischer would sing at some point :P....like take a break from the conversation and now put your hands together for lovely and talented, Ms. Lisa Fischer! And they did!

@ 1:03:31.....The Resonance In Lisa's Voice Is Other-Wordly….Great Bell Hooks Discussion Also

Powerful. Inspirational. Real Talk. Grandes all three!

No one should feel bound by crazy expectations, however I feel excited by fashion and make-up etc and I don't feel that's wrong. I'm not looking for a man and I don't feel a great sense of competition with other women. It's more of a fun kind of self expression for me...rather than wearing a mask. I don't know its complicated lol

wonderful conversation and very moving !

LISA Fischer and bell hooks!

Inspirational

I am a published author/performing motivational talks/ Geneva M. Neale (Audain) 2015. I always enjoy my own company. Reassurance.

"The Maids" "The Help", same difference....

dope discussion.

Lisa looks so good for her age!

@JRCGuitarist

5 жыл бұрын

tj jj Yea, she’s gorgeous. I’m glad she’s more active and vocal. I have been waiting for it.

Dj

ok I'm 30 mins in and i'm a bit annoyed really. I kinda feel like it is women degrading women that like and enjoy cosmetics and fashion. I don't think that girls who have no interest in that world should be forced to do it, truly i don't, but then making it seem like women who truly enjoy having trendy hair and clothes and even figures are some how devoid of substance and totally brainwashed and couldn't possibly enjoy what they were doing is tired rhetoric. It sounds to me that the lack of self acceptance that was spoken about was not only in accepting the skin and body that they were in but accepting their disinterest in certain activities and rituals. There are some people who "give a shit" and still like looking the way they want to look. Some women like wearing their wigs and lipstick and others want to just see their skin when they look in the mirror. Making one woman feel ok about her natural face does not take telling another woman, whose favorite thing to do as a child was play in make up, that the thing that she enjoys doing and finds beautiful means that she hasn't accepted herself.

@MissBRItesyde

8 жыл бұрын

+Debra Alleyne In another talk she did with Janet Mock who she lovingly jokes with about "getting pretty" or glamourous, she actually touches on the critical choice of "getting pretty" on ones own terms. And defining what "pretty" is for your self. And that fluctuating spectrum of feminism is what makes it interesting. Feminism cant generaly be labeled, it has to many faces and attributes. Also it serves to point out, that they are sharing THEIR experiences, and they are not trying to be a mouth piece for the gender. These are their critical thoughts.

@rainenouveux8848

8 жыл бұрын

^^^^Yassss!!! @ItsMeMissyBri Thank you!!!!

Conversation with a black feminist

Feminist Liberation ? When your are set free to agree with everything they say and everything they do. What if you don't agree ? Then you need Feminist liberating, apparently.

@janedoe5082

9 жыл бұрын

oh shut up., get over yourself. you probably didn't even watch the video.

Im not understanding Ms. Hooks point on Pasty's role in the movie. At the end of the day black women did not have a voice while they were enslaved..heck, black people were the legal property of their owners. When I watched 12 Years A Slave in no way was I expecting to see a black woman slave have a voice or to see her body be respected. That's not realistic because that's not what happened, so why create a watered down fictional character of a black woman who has "a voice" while she's enslaved when that's far from what actually occured.

@akenyaseymour3407

10 жыл бұрын

I think there might be a slight misunderstanding in the wording--She's not saying that Patsy be an empowered woman or character, rather that the film give some insight into what her or any black woman's view or experience might have been within the context of slavery. If the film was fulfilling its true potential, we would have had the chance to get some perspective from the female characters in the movie, but that's lacking. The movie is solely from the male perspective; now usually it's a white male perspective--I will say it was refreshing to actually have a black person's lens/outlook on subject matter that pertains particularly to our lives and our struggle. However, what about being inclusive and adding a woman's lens/outlook, as well, instead of just seeing a woman (from the male gaze and POV) abused, or pleading for death, or randomly hypersexual in a context that doesn't even make sense. I think bell is saying there's no progress there and there's detrimental mythology in that portrayal and imaging of black women. It continues to severely dehumanize us today. I mean, we never even get to hear a word from Soloman's wife, who's supposed to be a liberated woman. Some argue the book didn't have a female lens, but since the film strayed from the book anyway, (i.e. adding that sex scene, which doesn't help the situation, rather worsens it) why not add something that may enlighten our audience and provide a viewpoint other than this patriarchal, sexist, misogynoir one? You know? Sorry for the rant, haha. Just thought maybe I'd help by offering what I believed bell meant.

@janedoe5082

9 жыл бұрын

Hi Kay S, I didn't see the film and so I can't say how I would have watched it but the way I see it black women had voices during that time , those voices may not have been spoken to power or heard by power but no matter .even if they were voices in a woman's mind or in a conversation with fellow enslaved sisters- we know NOW those voices were absolutely legitimate and should be recognized. Couldn't your argument be used for the protagonist as well? Respectfully, I speak. I haven't seen the film.

Oh, wait a minute! bell doesn't want to pay for dinner? ok...So much for crushing patriarchy. I adore Lisa, though!

Not an intellectual conversation for sure. Kind of sad to watch. Are they really telling people how they should live? What about personal choice, real personal choice, not the one others say it's ok. "Empowered victim hood" is all I see

@JRCGuitarist

5 жыл бұрын

felipe martinez If “empowered victimhood” is all you see, then there is an issue on your part. They are talking about having healthy standards in the way people carry themselves or regard others. There can never really be a situation where your concept of “personal choice” exists. Human beings have to follow what others think is okay to an extent, morality is necessary. The lack of this does not mean “real” personal choice. However, their point is following others standards to a point self destruction is a problem. Also, you are using victimhood outside of the appropriate context. It was mentioned in this conversation that there is personal accountability for one’s own choice. This goes into what skin and Lisa said about not allowing someone else set a standard that says you have present yourself in a way that is not what’s best for you. Kim talked about her not conforming to the “angry black woman” standard, and Lisa saying no to imitating Aretha Franklin, so, that she could stick to what was true to herself. They both took responsibility for their own representation and countered the expectation of others or someone else. This is different from victimhood being that often times, victims are perceived as not having any accountability for their choices or situation. Also, victimhood deals in people who feel the need to be seen as a victim as a kind of identity. Truthfully, your comment lacks intellectual context. As to the “intellectual” nature of this conversation, based on what I watched, it didn’t need to be intellectual, although I found some of it to be intellectual, since a lot of what was said was substantial. I don’t 100% agree with a few things Bell Hooks said, however, she makes a lot of good points and the other two, Lisa and Kim, did great. Chances your issue is probably with her reference to patriarchy. As someone who isn’t against it, patriarchy is dysfunctional and has been for a while. For this reason, it has to be challenged. Not to tear it down, but to challenge it to show respect for other lives. The dysfunctional state of the patriarchy system oppressed a lot of women and children. So, the anger we see is coming from pain. As to personal accountability that was present in this conversation, I would suggest to go back and pay very close attention to Lisa’s dialogue throughout the conversation.

I have reached the point where I do not want to hear another word about women's liberation, Black liberation, gay liberation or any other liberation at all until we start dealing with the issue of class in this country - I am sick and tired of identification politics. We need to start dealing with the fundamental oppression, the oppression of the poor by the rich, the workers by the capitalists. Everything else is entirely secondary to that fundamental oppression. We live in a country in which working people have lost whatever rights they ever had, their unions have been smashed and they are without any political representation in the halls of power. The reason Donald Trump won the damned election is precisely because white working class people are sick and tired of hearing about the oppression of Blacks, women, Latinos, gays, etc. as though white men are all privileged. No, stop with identity politics and focus on class.

@AJo-wd2ni

5 жыл бұрын

Bell Hooks coined the term 'imperialist white supremacist capitalist patriarchy' - identity and capitalism ARE linked, & it's not ok to ignore certain types of violence just bc that violence isn't an explicit result of capitalism

@AJo-wd2ni

5 жыл бұрын

You can focus on class issues in addition to other issues- but it is a form of violence in & of itself to erase the experiences of people who not only lack class privilege but also lack other forms of identity privilege

Stuck up in the head... Use the term brilliant loosely...

How can the dean of a university not know how to pronounce Cassavetes? This is scandalous. I'm not even a minute into the video. I wonder what else she'll slaughter.