Believing what you know ain't so

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My own recordings of this speech were accidentally lost or deleted during our tour of the South Pacific. Fortunately, the New Zealand Association of Humanists and Rationalists had five cameras of their own and allowed me to mirror their edition. This was at the University of Auckland New Zealand on the 10th of March 2015, while en route to Australia for the Unholy Trinity Down Under tour.

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  • @alwaysthinkforyourself7028
    @alwaysthinkforyourself70289 жыл бұрын

    These discussions do convince Christians and Creationists to let go of delusion and grasp onto reality. Myself, my husband, and my children all now understand evolution and how religion has it very very wrong. I was a firm believer for over 32 years. But I was able to walk away. Ashamed of believing? Yes. But so very relieved that I had the confidence to let it go and see reality for the first time in my life.

  • @alwaysthinkforyourself7028

    @alwaysthinkforyourself7028

    9 жыл бұрын

    slavik k Do you need someone to talk to? Do you feel 'stupid', Slavik? Do you feel as if there's something wrong with you? Why don't you lay back and tell me all about it.

  • @alwaysthinkforyourself7028

    @alwaysthinkforyourself7028

    9 жыл бұрын

    John Carboni You comment has nothing to do with my post. Try again please.

  • @alwaysthinkforyourself7028

    @alwaysthinkforyourself7028

    9 жыл бұрын

    John Carboni Ok so your comment just showed yourself as Christian. You said, "Tickle our ears." That is a Christian comment so your opinion is very ironic since wanting to believe you live after you die is a very emotional belief system.

  • @alwaysthinkforyourself7028

    @alwaysthinkforyourself7028

    9 жыл бұрын

    John Carboni Oh I'm sorry I gave you the impression that I knew nothing about the Bible. Please go to someone that knows less than you know. I even read the Tanakh in Hebrew. Goodbye.

  • @TheZeno4444

    @TheZeno4444

    9 жыл бұрын

    John Carboni You are confusing living with life. Living is the images and thoughts appearing in consciousness.They come and go, ultimately no more real than a dream. Life is the indwelling presence, the unchanging absolute. You call this God.

  • @CJCroen1393
    @CJCroen13939 жыл бұрын

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: The majority of Creationist vs. Atheist debates can be summarized as: Atheist: (states facts and logic) Creationist: That sounds stupid.

  • @nickcarbaugh4301

    @nickcarbaugh4301

    8 жыл бұрын

    That's Kent Hovinds modus operandi! Go watch "Hello My Name Is Kent Hovind" by logicked. Literally everytime he says something scientific he says its stupid before "disproving" it.

  • @Yatukih_001

    @Yatukih_001

    8 жыл бұрын

    +CJCroen1393 Actually CJ I prefer Old Earth creationism.

  • @CJCroen1393

    @CJCroen1393

    8 жыл бұрын

    Nick Carbaugh I've seen those. Logicked is awesome! (sorry if I posted this comment before)

  • @darrynreid4500

    @darrynreid4500

    3 жыл бұрын

    To be fair, I think atheists have objections of various levels of quality. To summarise mine: the case for any particular god I've considered is refuted by having done a whole lot of things that never could have happened and supported by absolutely nothing whatsoever; the case for any god at all is neither necessary nor sufficient for anything of any real value; and the entailed consequences of belief range from the morally repugnant to brutal authoritarianism and mass terror. Creationists' responses I have seen or received have amounted to anything from "I'm the victim of you not having the same thoughts as me, you're bullying me, I'm the victim", through "Poop to you, you're a poopoohead" to "I want to kill you now".

  • @davelaneve2446

    @davelaneve2446

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also they tend to just quote bullshit bible verses when they know they have lost a debate

  • @-cosmicrogue-
    @-cosmicrogue-9 жыл бұрын

    I applauded with the audience at the end. Clear, concise, engaging, well spoken, with a dash of wit. That's a good recipe for an entertaining speech.

  • @-cosmicrogue-

    @-cosmicrogue-

    9 жыл бұрын

    Jason Smith Yeah...real original. Don't agree with a persons ideas - compare them to Hitler. You hit Godwin's law pretty early, didn't you?

  • @nikkfrostt

    @nikkfrostt

    9 жыл бұрын

    Jason Smith When Aron Ra mentioned the part about how Creationists care more about emotional belief rather than the truth, did you feel a little angry for being pointed out? (if you watched the video at all)

  • @JasonSmith-ye3kj

    @JasonSmith-ye3kj

    9 жыл бұрын

    Cosmic Rogue I disagree with him, that makes me able to think for myself. Your passive aggressive attitude is bitter. Besides, where in my statement did I compare anyone to Hitler? Or.. did you compare Aron Ra to my statement, and come to the conclusion that he is like Hitler? Or will you grow up, and ask for clarification as to whom I was referring to?

  • @JasonSmith-ye3kj

    @JasonSmith-ye3kj

    9 жыл бұрын

    ***** Interesting Nick. Did you feel angry, and ready to lash out against someone like me? After all, where did I attack you, or refute Aron Ra? Did I say he was wrong or right? Did I curse his name, or declare him a fool, or amazing? I don't remember directly saying anything in relation to him at all. Perhaps I was calling him Charismatic, as pre-Nazi Hitler was, and then make a passive-joke comparing Hitlers campaign to a Scooby Doo reference such as, "If it weren't for you meddling kids, and your dog!" But of course, you'll have rhetoric, because of your hypocritical anger as a (I'll assume since you brought up religion in a negative light) Religion hating Bigoted Atheistic self. Perhaps I'm wrong, and you thought it funny to mock people that hold different views from yourself, which is exactly how you structured your attack against me, in which I regret having responded to you... because I'm sure you didn't mean to be a bigot, or a jerk, or even passive aggressive like another I responded to. Have a beautiful day.

  • @nikkfrostt

    @nikkfrostt

    9 жыл бұрын

    That was a decent bait attempt. Though the line 'If it weren't for those pesky Jews' clearly makes your neutral statement comparative and thus offensive.

  • @termin8953
    @termin89539 жыл бұрын

    "We don't accuse them of using reason" love that line :)

  • @lightbeforethetunnel

    @lightbeforethetunnel

    Жыл бұрын

    All non-theistic worldviews necessarily entail that rational thought is not possible. Seriously. Münchhausen's Trilemma covers why.

  • @patnewbie2177
    @patnewbie21779 ай бұрын

    I know it was something of a throwaway line, but "when you're determined to reject something, you'll use any excuse that works" is such an excellent phrase.

  • @ANTINUTZI
    @ANTINUTZI8 жыл бұрын

    ... I put it this way: *You can't change your mind if you don't have one.*

  • @CrimsonHelldrake

    @CrimsonHelldrake

    3 жыл бұрын

    but you CAN make a dent in it...or a nick (with some people,,,,a scuff with others....)

  • @thakraken6995

    @thakraken6995

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@raysalmon6566 why were the likes even relevant?

  • @thakraken6995

    @thakraken6995

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@raysalmon6566 that's not what I asked u

  • @thakraken6995

    @thakraken6995

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@raysalmon6566 it doesn't work that way. If you think you can give irrelevant answers to questions that weren't asked then you were implicitly admitting you have comprehension problems

  • @thakraken6995

    @thakraken6995

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@raysalmon6566 Neither ad hominems nor does denial justify lack of comprehension. But tell me more again about how you know how I think better than I do

  • @jf_sebastian8387
    @jf_sebastian83879 жыл бұрын

    "Believing what ain't so" should be considered a mental problem. Sure sounds like a detachment from reality to me.

  • @ryantollmann1257

    @ryantollmann1257

    9 жыл бұрын

    Believing what ain't so? Does that include premises or theories? Does it include children ? How many theories were proven false...how many of those who wrote it were medicated for believing what wasn't so?

  • @jf_sebastian8387

    @jf_sebastian8387

    9 жыл бұрын

    Ryan Tollmann I wish I could flag you for "Infantile Stupidity".

  • @JasonSmith-ye3kj

    @JasonSmith-ye3kj

    9 жыл бұрын

    JF_Sebastian Like nothing exploding, and creating everything? Like the universe has always existed? Like man was created by aliens? Like life came from an alternate dimension of many universes? Like time travelling humans who created man? Like something coming from nothing < my favorite :D

  • @jf_sebastian8387

    @jf_sebastian8387

    9 жыл бұрын

    Jason Smith Get an education and some experience before speaking please.

  • @JasonSmith-ye3kj

    @JasonSmith-ye3kj

    9 жыл бұрын

    JF_Sebastian I express no belief system, yet you tell me to get education, and some experience? Are you a liberal, by chance? No, liberals aren't idiots that spout nonsense, and would have laughed at an ill-conceived, and obvious troll. But you are different. You attack people personally with no knowledge of whom they are. You are an abuser, a bigot, a fool, and hate those that offer literally anything contrary to your apparent belief system. I would reasonably believe you are an evolutionist, and an ardent one at that, simply because you attacked my educational level, and life experience because I asked a series of questions meant for nothing more than a sideways jab to be funny. However, if you wish for an actual argument, here it is. "Steven Hawking invented the Multiverse theory on a whim, because he found holes in the Evolutionary Theology of the founding of the Universe, and its extremely precise way of being mathematically within the perfect margins for life. Richard Dawkins on the other hand, admitted that nobody is convinced of the beginning of the universe, except those that don't have degrees who call themselves arm-chair scientists, and thus hypothesized that life came from other planets. Hence my use of the question, "Like man was created by aliens." I would assume you think my reference to this would be grays, like the crazies would scream. So unless you slander me further through groundless accusations, Dawkins was referring to the following, "... life was most likely carried here in some form, probably by a celestial body from outside our solar system..."

  • @Delsworldview
    @Delsworldview8 жыл бұрын

    Aron, you are the atheist's atheist. Keep up the good work. Thank you.

  • @AxiomApe

    @AxiomApe

    8 жыл бұрын

    And now he is the president of AA of A (Athiest Alliance of America) ! Great man of our time

  • @Weissman111

    @Weissman111

    7 жыл бұрын

    Should run for president.

  • @sovietbot6708

    @sovietbot6708

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Weissman111 he won't win. Only half of Americans will even consider voting for an atheist, and even then, most of those who are willing to vote for an atheist are not more willing to vote for an atheist, so at best, only 25% would vote for him. Besides, he would likely run as a Democrat, and Democrats are less likely to vote based on party while Republicans typically vote based on party, which is why despite there being more Democrats, Republicans can still win elections without any issues.

  • @WilbertLek

    @WilbertLek

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@sovietbot6708 Of course he won't win. *THAT'S EXACTLY THE REASON WHY HE SHOULD BE PRESIDENT!* .......

  • @sovietbot6708

    @sovietbot6708

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@WilbertLek He's too morally good to be president.

  • @pdoylemi
    @pdoylemi9 жыл бұрын

    New Zealand didn't send us Ray Comfort (I know, it was a joke). Ray, had he really cared about "saving souls", would have stayed in the far less Christian New Zealand, but he instead chose to come to the far more lucrative USA. It's all about the almighty dollar.

  • @blueskyblaine7161

    @blueskyblaine7161

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah I watch him alot and his commandments he mention were not called the ten commandments. They were used to control the lives of Israeli slaves to make their lives free of sin.

  • @WilbertLek

    @WilbertLek

    4 жыл бұрын

    And that's one of the reasons how we KNOW Ray knows better but does it all for the money...

  • @pdoylemi

    @pdoylemi

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@WilbertLek True enough - or at very least, he doesn't CARE if it is true or not.

  • @smashexentertainment676

    @smashexentertainment676

    3 жыл бұрын

    Apparently there are not enough bananas in NZ to make Ray stay.

  • @pdoylemi

    @pdoylemi

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@smashexentertainment676 That's because god did not intend for Humans to live there, so he didn't give them bananas! 😀

  • @MsAngelique
    @MsAngelique9 жыл бұрын

    A Christian tried to claim to me that because the word Hades is in the bible, then the Greek god Hades is real and so are all the other ones. I never facepalmed so much in my fucking life.

  • @termin8953

    @termin8953

    9 жыл бұрын

    Well it actually speaks of the place Hades , which we all know is ruled by Pluto, so it's the Roman gods that are real :)

  • @MsAngelique

    @MsAngelique

    9 жыл бұрын

    Termin warwager Pluto is basically Hades with a Roman spin. :P

  • @Web1point0

    @Web1point0

    9 жыл бұрын

    You mean sheol? A place of torment exists. Doesn't mean pagan gods do.

  • @MsAngelique

    @MsAngelique

    9 жыл бұрын

    Web1point0 I never said a pagan god actually exists in reality.

  • @JasonSmith-ye3kj

    @JasonSmith-ye3kj

    9 жыл бұрын

    tnatna123 Hades is Greek for Hell. That alleged Christian is ignorant, and is not a Christian, but loves to call himself one. Even the Bible translates this word, so mistakes like this don't happen. However, Jesus, and God declared that the gods of this world are in fact real. They will be called upon to defend their followers, and will in fact condemn them to their faces. ".... even the rocks will declare the Lord your God..."

  • @AronRa
    @AronRa9 жыл бұрын

    Here is the link to the Q&A. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZJ2fs9ZxmN23ldI.html

  • @breyor1

    @breyor1

    9 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for another great video. Keep up the good work.

  • 9 жыл бұрын

    Most excellent!

  • 9 жыл бұрын

    It's preferable because their social support web supports it.

  • @humbertojimmy

    @humbertojimmy

    9 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for uploading these great videos! If i'm allowed to leave a tip i would like to propose a speech on "danger"; in these modern times i think it's important to not only talk about how factually wrong religion is, but also how dangerous religion can be (and has, in fact, become, lately). I live in Europe and islamic violence is on the rise like a storm here. I really think it's very important that people such as yourself, who are in a position to be heard, spread that message! I think the question should be addressed to religious people of all creeds "would you even mention god or Heaven to your child if you could foresee him grow to become an extremist? Or would you still indoctrinate him at the expenses of future innocent blood?". This is a question that demands courage and it's what they must answer to us, so we can really evaluate how much religion itself is to be blamed for extremism.

  • @nitehawk86

    @nitehawk86

    9 жыл бұрын

    Awesome talk, I really appreciate this.

  • @PaulTheSkeptic
    @PaulTheSkeptic9 жыл бұрын

    Great talk. The human brain's capacity for error never ceases to amaze me.

  • @MrMrkBo
    @MrMrkBo9 жыл бұрын

    I watch your videos, and listen to Mat Dillahunty and the Atheist Experience when I can and think, "I am not alone". Thank you for what you do. Keep fighting the good fight.

  • @elephystry

    @elephystry

    6 жыл бұрын

    Mark Botirius **hugs**

  • @Tyburn109
    @Tyburn1097 жыл бұрын

    _Unfortunately_, I encountered some fundamentalists who fit *every* description Aron made about them *to a T*.

  • @nontheistdavid
    @nontheistdavid9 жыл бұрын

    AronRa for world president.

  • @Rob-ys6ot

    @Rob-ys6ot

    5 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant idea!!! He would get my vote. Cheers.

  • @ericsbuds
    @ericsbuds9 жыл бұрын

    atheists in texas must have it very difficult

  • @kiethlashawn1436

    @kiethlashawn1436

    5 жыл бұрын

    U just dont know

  • @loriw2661

    @loriw2661

    5 жыл бұрын

    ericsbuds Atheists in the USA, in general, have a tough time. It sucks.

  • @morgan3688

    @morgan3688

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Chief2Moon Why read it when someone else can cherry pick what it says in order to provide you with an incorrect modern interpretation?

  • @morgan3688

    @morgan3688

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Jesus Christ Glorified Look, someone who has never heard of Martin Luther, the protestant revolution, or of the simple idea of church denominations.

  • @morgan3688

    @morgan3688

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Jesus Christ Glorified Orthodox does not mean original, it means normal or usual. The othodox church is not the orriginal church, and would have horrified the first christians. My point is that all of those people have the same claim to the accuracy of their beliefs. None. That the church had been around so long before, but now most christians have adopted the views of Martin Luther or the reformed catholic church, further proves my point.

  • @aidanhodge7090
    @aidanhodge70909 жыл бұрын

    AronRa, I am trying to go to sleep, why would you post something and force me to be up later?

  • @LewdCustomer
    @LewdCustomer6 жыл бұрын

    Who is this Canned Ham I keep hearing about?

  • @elephystry

    @elephystry

    6 жыл бұрын

    Bob Owen xD Ken Ham. Individual from Oceania who participated in a very popular debate with Bill Nye. Bill Nye stayed that evidence would change his mind. Ken Ham stated that nothing would change his mind.

  • @joemccarthy3071

    @joemccarthy3071

    6 жыл бұрын

    Bob Owen Ken Ham is mental spam.

  • @joshuathomason5729

    @joshuathomason5729

    5 жыл бұрын

    Don't eat that Ham it's rotten

  • @WilbertLek

    @WilbertLek

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes.

  • @davidmacko6309

    @davidmacko6309

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@elephystry its like throwing peas at a wall dosent matter how many you throw at it none come through

  • @ObiAsad
    @ObiAsad9 жыл бұрын

    Respect, Aron. Much respect. Thank you!!

  • @Pile_of_carbon
    @Pile_of_carbon9 жыл бұрын

    This is brilliant. =), A Christian classmate told me that my way of thinking about life, the universe and everything (see what I did there =P ) scared the living crap out of him. It is quite possible that he chose to believe in his fairytale because the alternative was too scary for him to handle, unlike another classmate who was really a creationist (yes, we actually have a few of them here in 85-90 % non-believing Sweden). During a course at university, out of a class of sixteen people, four were some form of Christians and that is the largest group of Christians I've ever met outside of church.

  • @Kevin15047

    @Kevin15047

    9 жыл бұрын

    Pile of carbon Can I live there? 😺

  • @patkearney9320

    @patkearney9320

    2 жыл бұрын

    Damn your whole country is going to hell.

  • @arpeggiomeister
    @arpeggiomeister9 жыл бұрын

    I relate to this guy a lot. When growing up I believed in all of the "ghostbuster" requirements. As I grew up and started to think about things critically I shifted from a blind believer to an agnostic. I do not dismiss the possibility, but the more I listen to atheist speeches the more absurd the religious reasoning seems. I have tried rationalizing religious beliefs through science. I have dived into some of the most extreme beliefs using this train of thought and found that the more I question it the more I realize religious people are asking the wrong questions. Most hardcore religious people are vehemently insistent that we must believe God exists. I can jump straight past this argument by saying it is possible for God to exist and that I will neither confirm or deny his existence. Just throw them a bone and say for this debate we will assume that God does exist. Getting past this debate allows for the really interesting questions to emerge. If God created everything why did he do it? Why is God obsessed with mankind "worshipping" him? Certainly any being powerful enough to create an entire universe would not think twice about anything us mere mortals cared or believed in. Was God a 13 year old kid who created us in chemistry class as a science fair project? Why does God need Jesus to die a horrific death in order to forgive our sins? This line of questioning can go on and on. As you dive deeper and deeper into this line of thought it seems more and more that God is not the benevolent and loving deity that we are taught about as children, but rather a petty and tyrannical power-hungry overlord. Such a powerful being would not need to destroy mankind to get people to follow him... ...so why all of the bloodshed? When you ask yourself what good and evil really are and then hold God to those standards the character you find is not the character we were all taught about. I do not deny that there are things in this world beyond our comprehension. If there is a God, a Devil, aliens, demons, angels, etc. I can not claim to know who they are, what their intentions are, etc. Thus being the case, why on earth would I worship such things? To me, that is the utter stupidity of it all.

  • @m253theinvader
    @m253theinvader9 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for presenting facts on fact evasion. This gets into psychology of how Godsters operate and defend the mystical.

  • @sovietbot6708
    @sovietbot67085 жыл бұрын

    If man came from dirt, why is there still dirt?

  • @Vintagesonic1
    @Vintagesonic13 жыл бұрын

    Oh, snap! Aron went to New Zealand? Thanks for visiting.

  • @AllThingsFilm1
    @AllThingsFilm15 жыл бұрын

    I would suggest that the rise of creationism in the US is greatly attributed to the ever widening income gap between the rich and poor. People are more in fear today and thus turn to pretty thoughts - i.e. faith - to subdue or quell such fearful thinking. I, too, once felt a "need" to have faith in something I wasn't sure about. But, as time goes on, I am repelled more and more by wishful thinking. Because I know that nothing changes in my life unless I take action to change it. It's that simple.

  • @hadeskingoftheunderworld7010

    @hadeskingoftheunderworld7010

    4 жыл бұрын

    It was in part because of my stint as a poorer person that i stopped believing. My family and i were always Christians untill my mom divorced my dad and he fell into poverty and i realized a perfectly good god wouldn't do this and i actually read the bible and realized this is bull crap

  • @zakethekid1333

    @zakethekid1333

    3 жыл бұрын

    This is Marxist stuff.... Comrade?

  • @venatorus1000
    @venatorus10009 жыл бұрын

    First one of your videos I've watched. Marvelous! Having been watching Ray Comfort's videos with incredulity and a morbid curiosity, I was feeling kind of seasick, feeling that the world had tilted off its access. This video has restored the balance. I am in equilibrium - thank you! I have subscribed

  • @mazingdaddid

    @mazingdaddid

    6 жыл бұрын

    Dave Stevenson may I suggest DarkMatter2525?

  • @JamieSnyderTV
    @JamieSnyderTV9 жыл бұрын

    You're doing great work, Aron!

  • @theonlyonekingelvis3842
    @theonlyonekingelvis38429 жыл бұрын

    I have been an Anglican priest for nearly 40 years, I have never met another priest that was not a firm believer in evolution.

  • @rlfs2853

    @rlfs2853

    4 жыл бұрын

    TheOnlyOneKing Elvis how exactly does god and evolution go hand in hand

  • @oopsiepoopsie2898

    @oopsiepoopsie2898

    4 жыл бұрын

    Brett Keefer it doesn’t really mater as long as they accept most of reality

  • @connorirons4542

    @connorirons4542

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rlfs2853 I am an atheist but have heard somewhat reasonable explanation. Reminder, I do not believe this. God made the rules for this world, such as evolution and the laws of physics, and just let it run, like a coder watching a simulation.

  • @TheMindIlluminated

    @TheMindIlluminated

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rlfs2853 Why do they have to? It’s two different topics that don’t have to contradict each other. They deal with totally different things.

  • @dawnavalentine8355
    @dawnavalentine83559 жыл бұрын

    More power to the truth Aron Ra. ♡ thanks for all you do. :-)

  • @leisulin
    @leisulin9 жыл бұрын

    It's funny because I had a long back-and-forth argument with a christian a couple of weeks ago about the topic of Chinese characters and the book of Genesis. There is a notorious book out there which makes the completely false claim that the ancient Chinese characters were deliberately designed as pictographic representations of the stories in Genesis. I happen to know a lot about the etymology of Chinese from a Master's degree in classical Chinese. I submitted a lengthy exposition in comments to a video made by a christian disseminating these same falsehoods to anyone who will listen, describing in great detail the kinds of "errors" of interpretation made in the book. I put "errors" in double quotes because these "errors" were obviously deliberate or at least committed without even slightly caring about what was actually true. There is a crippling problem operating here: christians are desperate to find any "evidence" they can to support their cherished beliefs. In the book in question, they think they have found a very juicy, comforting such piece of evidence. Like a dog with a bone, they don't want to give it up. If they actually CARED about The Truth, they would and could check my information and would quickly discover that it is accurate. However, most if not all of them, already demonstrating they are willing to cling to several other similar fantasies to make them feel good about their world, do NOT care if what they believe is false EVEN IF IT CAN BE PROVEN TO BE FALSE. They don't want to hear about it! This is SO SIMILAR to what Aron Ra is talking about in this video here. What I received in answer from the christian (Jack Flaws) was this response: "Thanks for taking the time for that long comment. But I'll have to set it aside because it takes God out of the picture." He, and the other christians here, will and do clearly demonstrate to one and all that they don't care if what they believe is UNTRUE as long as it makes them feel good. They are on a mission to purposefully delude themselves (and anyone else they can succeed in brainwashing) and languish in their own made-up fantasy universe. And theists like them don't stop at merely deceiving themselves--they allow their irrationality, their deliberate self-deception, and their fantasies to harm the rest of us, sometimes in small ways, sometimes in much worse ways. This kind of foolishness needs to stop. We see the fruits of this same sort of insanity on the evening news more and more these days.........

  • @pNsB
    @pNsB3 жыл бұрын

    "That's not evidence, that's just a bunch of paper!" But... what's the Bible, Kent!?

  • @jazeroth322
    @jazeroth3229 жыл бұрын

    so glad the audio at the start went away when Aaron started talking :D

  • @bilbobaggins3518
    @bilbobaggins35189 жыл бұрын

    An excellent presentation, thank you for providing such great content!

  • @yraay
    @yraay9 жыл бұрын

    This is so great I had to watch it again! So many quotable statements of fact. Thanks for all you do Aron! Excellent work...

  • @Dave-mk9st
    @Dave-mk9st9 жыл бұрын

    You've got this speech sharpened perfectly!

  • @gabrielstroup
    @gabrielstroup9 жыл бұрын

    Great talk. Love your content Aron.

  • @zenman5910
    @zenman59106 жыл бұрын

    I find it highly unlikely that there was a "someone" who "created" the entire universe, and I need at least a plausible reason to even entertain that idea. If you want to sell me on your religion, you first have to get me past that point first. Literally millions have tried, all have failed. Now, if you want to skip over that point and try to get me to believe there is a supernatural, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent being that cares for me and it is somehow important to him what I think, do, believe, care about, sleep with or give money to, this is not a shortcut for you, but makes your sales pitch even harder for me to buy. Finally, the last gasp of this con-job is to try to convince me that I have to die to fully understand the fate this “someone” who “created” the universe has in store for me as punishment for my incredulity. This supernatural creator of the entire universe apparently has also created two options for my consciousness which will somehow survive my death. One option is eternal bliss if I but buy into this con-job, and the other is eternal torture if I don’t, but I have to die first to know whether this is all a lie, and I can never know if it is a lie as long as I am still above room temperature. The fact that anyone ever fell for this really stupid con-job blows my mind and makes me wonder who ever started the rumor that humans are an intelligent species of animal, probably the same people who made up this god bullshit.

  • @FHBStudio
    @FHBStudio9 жыл бұрын

    Parent: "THERE'S A MAN WITH A GUN!" Police: "You're in Texas sir"

  • @davelaneve2446

    @davelaneve2446

    2 жыл бұрын

    Texas moto is God guns glory! It is a good thing that we have a fair degree of freedom in firearms ownership here in the US. There are too many criminals and gang members who are armed, and care nothing about the lives of others. We are alive today because I had the freedom to be armed and protect myself and my family from some violent gang members.

  • @FHBStudio

    @FHBStudio

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@davelaneve2446 A lot of Texans are pro LGBT. Liberty God/Guns Bible/Beer Tits

  • @thraxx9442
    @thraxx94429 жыл бұрын

    I wasn't quite sure what to think of Aron. I have never watched any of his videos in detail until this one. Sometimes you see what I like to call the "angry atheist" who likes to dole out obviously intended insults. I am glad to see that he can clearly articulate and argue a very well thought out point. He is deserving of recognition in my eyes. He reminds me of Sam Harris in a sense that they both share the gift of eloquent description.

  • @patkearney9320
    @patkearney93202 жыл бұрын

    I have a neighbor who's a nice guy but him and his family torment me by trying to save me, I've tried every way to be polite and tell him to leave me in peace. He drags me into debate about God yet he won't hear my words when I talk. It's got to the point I look out the window before I go out to see if he's around. I have a bad temper and I fear lose in it with him. Damn it's crazy a man can be tormented like this, I should be able to call the police shouldn't I? Now if someone trys handing me a religious paper I hiss PISS OFF. Crazy world crazy rules.

  • @KoRntech

    @KoRntech

    Жыл бұрын

    It's a form of control not just theist but some of these politicians, believe what I say or I'll make it miserable that you'll eventually say I'm correct whether you believe it or not just so you can go about your day. They get that dopamine high in someone affirming their knowledge.

  • @reynahpets7868
    @reynahpets78689 жыл бұрын

    *_ARONRA ENCOURAGES BIBLE READING!_* 35:58 "The best way to become an atheist is to read the bible." 36:03 "The best way to parody the religious position is to let them speak for themselves."

  • @elephystry

    @elephystry

    6 жыл бұрын

    Rey Nahpets It’s not like Christians ever do it. C;

  • @0x777

    @0x777

    6 жыл бұрын

    I absolutely recommend it. The bible is to the US now what Mein Kampf was to the Third Reich back in the 1940s. Everyone had it, nobody has read it and had more people read it and seen just what kind of incredibly stupid bullshit is said in there, a lot more people would have turned from that idiocy and a lot of trouble could have been avoided.

  • @johnh226

    @johnh226

    6 жыл бұрын

    Rey Nahpets And the best way to become a Christian is read Darwin's origin of species.

  • @0x777

    @0x777

    6 жыл бұрын

    John H I have read it. It's a bit outdated, but it still didn't convince me that a delusion is closer to reality.

  • @johnh226

    @johnh226

    6 жыл бұрын

    0x777 Even worse is the descent of man. Darwin's theories also fall under scrutiny. Among them Vestigal organs. Blacks. The human cell. The appendix.

  • @NavnikBHSilver
    @NavnikBHSilver9 жыл бұрын

    Quite a kick in the balls for creationists. I'd almost say that you're indoctrinating the youth here in your own way, Were it not, that the arguments presented are so well grounded and accurate.

  • @LisaAnn777

    @LisaAnn777

    2 жыл бұрын

    As long as the youth are indoctrinated into looking at evidence and coming to their own conclusion instead of listening to some pastor making outrageous claims of an omnipotent creator of everything who is going to punish you eternally because your ancestor talked to a snake.

  • @LegioDecemGJCAESAR
    @LegioDecemGJCAESAR6 жыл бұрын

    Why is it every damn time I rewatch one of AronRa's video's I have to like it all over again because not only is it unliked but from time to time I find im not subscribed !!! I have been checking and rechecking and recording how often this happens and its disturbing 😠

  • @btbingo
    @btbingo4 жыл бұрын

    There is no adherent apologist who will ever be honest or truthful.

  • @johnlinden7398
    @johnlinden73984 жыл бұрын

    THE IMPECCABLE ARON RA ! HIS LOGIC AND MANNER IN TELLING IT LIKE IT IS ....IS FLAWLESS ! BRAVO ARON !

  • @sorryforbatenglish
    @sorryforbatenglish9 жыл бұрын

    _I can do any goddamn thing I want..._ I kinda miss that outro song you used, Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Anything.

  • @mosiprop
    @mosiprop6 жыл бұрын

    Probably my favorite Aron Ra presentation ... I had to rewind and get a few of those well-phased points understood & committed to memory.. well done, sir.

  • @emperorsgrandads

    @emperorsgrandads

    5 жыл бұрын

    Me too. So articulate. Always good to have some ammo when debating the flat-earthers, young earthers, cretards etc

  • @toastape5298
    @toastape52989 жыл бұрын

    AronRa A link to the "series of questions that they (theists) have to answer" (from 38:20 -ish), please?

  • @JimJWalker
    @JimJWalker9 жыл бұрын

    AronRa starts at 2:00

  • @dekky3908
    @dekky39089 жыл бұрын

    I am actually comfortable with the idea of eternal sleep (polite way of saying ceasing to exist) than to the nightmare of eternity. If you understand infinity, you'll realize you want nothing to do with this. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity This is not paradise... This is hell, compared to this you'd be begging for the christian version of hell.

  • @TheJarJarKinks

    @TheJarJarKinks

    9 жыл бұрын

    Dekkren Kain Trust me, eternity already sounded shitty. No matter what it's spent doing.

  • @dekky3908

    @dekky3908

    9 жыл бұрын

    djangoliscious101 I agree, your consciousness would be spread so thin across an infinite number of experiences that nothing would have any meaning.

  • @Demogorgon47

    @Demogorgon47

    6 жыл бұрын

    Infinite life only sounds great to people who are scared of death. Living for eternity would be a nightmare that *LITERALLY* never ends. It is possible for infinite life. We for example may exist across infinite versions of all possible realities each time we die we go wake up in another version of our existence but at least if we die and start over on another version of said reality (this is just "for sake of argument") at least we forget our lives when we die and start over. That's what I hypothesise happens, I think of our life being the first and only life as an illusion brought about by our desire to keep living. We're still made of subatomic particles and are thus subject to quantum mechanics even on a macro scale so maybe on a micro scale too. It's possible we live once out of all possible lives we can exist in or maybe live across them all. It doesn't really matter because these are unanswerable questions that can literally drive you mad. I'm not even kidding I spend WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY too much time trying to digest unsolvable existential crisis' like this all the time and it can be a strain on the mind that's very exhausting. All I know is that the idea of eternal life is wishful thinking. I've provided a hypothetical way it can be done but even then it's not certain and even then it'd be a "each time is the first time" kind of deal that would be infinitely better than well, living infinitely without it ending. The kind of deal in the bible would be horrible. Eternity kissing the arse of a despotic cosmic horror that pretends to be an all knowing just uber being. I'd rather just die permanently when I die. Or go to hell then spend an eternity in a church service.

  • @Funça_do_ancapistão

    @Funça_do_ancapistão

    6 жыл бұрын

    Demogorgon47 i used to think exactly the same,but i don't really care anymore since it's just a hypothesis, we'll never know even if this really is the case

  • @Peter_Scheen

    @Peter_Scheen

    6 жыл бұрын

    When I was about 8 or 9 and understood the concept of eternity somebody pointed to me that that is a very long time in heaven. I realized that about halfway through you would have done everything and you would get bored. And you had eternity in front of you. It did not like it. At twelve I discarded the concept of a god and at about 18 I had the epiphany that there is no supernatural at all. I thought that reason would do that to everybody. Until I met the American way of thinking. I am glad to being Dutch.

  • @Hyde_Hill
    @Hyde_Hill9 жыл бұрын

    Apart from this and the Q and A are there any other video's of the Unholy Trinity in Australia and New Zealand?

  • @YY4Me133
    @YY4Me1339 жыл бұрын

    At about 15:50 - _"The only way to defend beliefs that are not concordant with reality is to challenge reality itself."_ Well put. Oh, shit...AronRa remembers pyramid power. I thought I was the only one. :o) The question about whether theists believe things in the same way as atheists is spot on. They often talk about "choosing" to believe. That's such a foreign concept to me that it took me years to realize they mean it...they actually *choose* what to believe! Great speech. There should be a transcript.

  • @MicroBlogganism
    @MicroBlogganism9 жыл бұрын

    Great talk!

  • @TheFloatingSheep
    @TheFloatingSheep9 жыл бұрын

    If evolution is not real, how do you explain the sunset?

  • @TheJarJarKinks

    @TheJarJarKinks

    9 жыл бұрын

    TheFloatingSheep ... I at least laughed a little. Good job.

  • @TheSapphiretrooper

    @TheSapphiretrooper

    9 жыл бұрын

    TheFloatingSheep Evolution? What's that got to do with evolution? Are you confusing cosmology? I'm confused (also if I missed the joke I'm sorry).

  • @TheFloatingSheep

    @TheFloatingSheep

    9 жыл бұрын

    TheSapphiretrooper It was a joke. Christians use to ask the question: "If there's no god, how do you explain the sunset?". There was also a video with 100 questions for evolutionists from creationists or something like that, i don't remember the name.

  • @sagerider2

    @sagerider2

    8 жыл бұрын

    Actually I laughed a lot. It reminded me of the Nye & Ham debate & some idiot creationist wrote without god how would you explain a sunset.

  • @Longtack55

    @Longtack55

    5 жыл бұрын

    Matt Dillahunty (used to get) gets call like that. Try responding with "How about that cancer - who created that?" Be prepared for a long monologue about "God punishing us for our sins." How about them birth defects then?

  • @neo.616
    @neo.6169 жыл бұрын

    cloudsabove wrote "He says 'religious beliefs' around 13:20 but he's still talking about the Creationists" Creationist beliefs ARE religious beliefs. They are not scientific beliefs as there is not one ounce of science in any of their arguments.

  • @dfdrye
    @dfdrye9 жыл бұрын

    Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey: "One thing kids like is to be tricked. For instance, I was going to take my little nephew to Disneyland, but instead I drove him to an old burned-out warehouse. “Oh, no,” I said, “Disneyland burned down.” He cried and cried, but I think that deep down he thought it was a pretty good joke. I started to drive over to the real Disneyland, but it was getting pretty late."

  • @XxW4RB0RNxX
    @XxW4RB0RNxX8 жыл бұрын

    how is there a single dislike on this video

  • @rongpirson5250

    @rongpirson5250

    6 жыл бұрын

    creationists

  • @TheRedwater357
    @TheRedwater3575 жыл бұрын

    My faith was called into question, ironically enough, when I took an apologetics course.

  • @JMSchomburg
    @JMSchomburg9 жыл бұрын

    Great talk, thanks! Brilliant for its concision. One question, though: I can't seem to find Matt Dillahunty's talk anywhere online, even on the New Zealand Association of Humanists channel. What happened?

  • @rasverixxyleighraq1509
    @rasverixxyleighraq15095 жыл бұрын

    Where is this archive mentioned around 38 mins?

  • @yilvoxe4017
    @yilvoxe40175 жыл бұрын

    I so want to go see you speak live, or maybe speak at the same event as you one day. You're a huge inspiration.

  • @exelsisxax
    @exelsisxax9 жыл бұрын

    Could you post a link to that archive where you give creationists the specific challenge to answer questions? I cannot find any in your channel.

  • @AronRa

    @AronRa

    9 жыл бұрын

    Here is one. theleagueofreason.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12079

  • @MrManNumber1

    @MrManNumber1

    9 жыл бұрын

    AronRa You should add it to the description. I think many people would be looking for it after hearing you mentioned it. I know I did.

  • @exelsisxax

    @exelsisxax

    9 жыл бұрын

    ***** Being unaware of your malicious and deceitful tactics does not make them less so.

  • @MrManNumber1

    @MrManNumber1

    9 жыл бұрын

    They are often in denial, hence why they get so upset and can't read or argue logically. It's a defense the brain takes when it hits a wall with cognitive dissonance.

  • @asystat

    @asystat

    9 жыл бұрын

    We already know creationists answers: god, god god god god

  • @Posdrums3
    @Posdrums36 жыл бұрын

    Where do I find these public challenges Aron has had with people? As mentioned around 39:00

  • @michealcox7236
    @michealcox72362 жыл бұрын

    Is there a resource on how he "proves evolution to your satisfaction" to others? I've looked and can't seem to find those records online, if such a tactic exists I'd love to employ it.

  • @Mostpowerisgod
    @Mostpowerisgod9 жыл бұрын

    I love your evolution and Dinosaur videos. I wish you would make more.

  • @mazingdaddid

    @mazingdaddid

    6 жыл бұрын

    Shenmue theThird have you been watching the systematic classification of life as well?

  • @ninam.6781

    @ninam.6781

    Жыл бұрын

    Ryo is a boss.

  • @rosemeireayres7457
    @rosemeireayres74578 жыл бұрын

    you right, best way to become an atheist is read the whole bible. Yes I did and read a catholic bible with foot notes made by a priest who says Adam and Eve is just legend, only a poetic way to explain the origin of mankind... i started tho think : if he as a prist does not believe in the why should i believe ?

  • @jeanetteyork2582

    @jeanetteyork2582

    5 жыл бұрын

    I also was once a Catholic...and met a priest who was startled by my request for more info on new testament claims. He told me, in private conversation, not to waste my time..."You know it's all nonsense," he said, very blandly, "whether Jesus did all that, what does it matter for us today?" I asked him how a priest could hold such an opinion, and remain a priest. "I'm here to serve the believers," he explained, "they need someone to minister to them". I began to read...first, The Trial of Jesus of Nazareth by SGF Brandon...after that many others including, most recently, The Illusion of God's Presence by John C Wathey.

  • @hadeskingoftheunderworld7010

    @hadeskingoftheunderworld7010

    4 жыл бұрын

    Agreed same thing its filled with contradictions and bullshit

  • @beardedshadow
    @beardedshadow9 жыл бұрын

    Damn, didn't know you were going to be here. Hope you had the chance to see some of our beautiful little country.

  • @11shovel11
    @11shovel119 жыл бұрын

    Good video Aron thanks for posting it.

  • @Kraized
    @Kraized9 жыл бұрын

    You know, I'm an atheist and what not but i could never get enough of any of these talks. Sometimes I feel like I'm a sit at home church goer just out for a laugh. But I truly want to understand why christians remain christians because ever since I was little (wether or not I knew anything aboutanything) I was able to catch on to the fact that believers don't believe becuase it makes sense, they only believe because it feels good. What I want to know is why, why why. Why do they do this? Doesn't everyone want to know the truth about anything? I mean seriously, doesn't everyone hate a batshit Liar. I want to know that answer bad but I will probably be too busy with the rest of my life in the realm of physics becoming a full fledged geek. (Were I will probably be sacrificing my life in the same way monks and preists and nuns do, for the pursuit of greater knowledge)

  • @acerbicatheist2893

    @acerbicatheist2893

    5 жыл бұрын

    Please try to put the word, "geek", into the trash, along with other pejoratives, such as, "pencil-neck", "Poindexter", "squint", and christ only knows what else. You go RIGHT AHEAD with that physics degree... and if I may be so bold, have a look at astrophysics and cosmology because they are great fun ; I'm a biologist but a frustrated radio astronomer, so I am unabashedly pimping my thwarted ambition to you! Enjoy! 😍

  • @hadeskingoftheunderworld7010

    @hadeskingoftheunderworld7010

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@acerbicatheist2893 im a proud geek my dude. Want to be an engineer just own the lable and change its meaning

  • @vistachris9999
    @vistachris99998 жыл бұрын

    If there's a paycheck in it - I'll believe anything you say (re: ghostbusters quote)

  • @TheDoomWaffles
    @TheDoomWaffles9 жыл бұрын

    Love your videos , I'm binge watching them right now :D, one of the most hands-on philosophers on youtube, you make a lot of sense and try to urge people to think for themselves and make conclusions based on facts instead of myth ... I like that, humanity needs more thinkers like you.

  • @drstrangelove09
    @drstrangelove099 жыл бұрын

    There is an "emotional attachment" to many other beliefs, such as ideological beliefs.

  • @mikemikemikemike5387
    @mikemikemikemike53879 жыл бұрын

    Excellent job Aron.

  • @ChainDriveRail
    @ChainDriveRail9 жыл бұрын

    This should be a required video in schools along with sex ed.

  • @jamesart9
    @jamesart99 жыл бұрын

    Terrific talk. Love the way you articulate your points. Your rythmn and voice tone are a a guidestone for anyone wishing to improve their public speaking.

  • @HexerPsy
    @HexerPsy9 жыл бұрын

    is Matt's speech available somewhere? i cant find it...

  • @ballo42
    @ballo429 жыл бұрын

    AronRa undoubtedly make a brilliant argument, however has anyone else noticed that he looks just like a Klingon?

  • @hadeskingoftheunderworld7010

    @hadeskingoftheunderworld7010

    4 жыл бұрын

    Accurate

  • @gor265
    @gor2659 жыл бұрын

    Quality post. Blistering observations and astute logical evaluation of the self-induced stupidity that is religious belief.

  • @rakeday1726

    @rakeday1726

    9 жыл бұрын

    It was all hot air, like your comment

  • @MrRational59

    @MrRational59

    9 жыл бұрын

    ***** No one here could possibly be as intelligent as you.

  • @gor265

    @gor265

    9 жыл бұрын

    The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widely spread belief is far more likely to be foolish than sensible. But, I agree, what does it matter. If it did so happen there was a god, it would be very unlikely He would be afflicted by such uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence - BR

  • @gor265

    @gor265

    9 жыл бұрын

    That's not proof to you or anyone. You're just wish-thinking. But why should it matter, as long as you feel good hey, just make up proof to suit yourself.

  • @gor265

    @gor265

    9 жыл бұрын

    ***** If it helps you then that can only be a good thing. All the best.

  • @Scarletpooky
    @Scarletpooky9 жыл бұрын

    Perfect ad to start this off. A song including the lyrics "I don't know if I believe" :D

  • @JohnHatzis
    @JohnHatzis9 жыл бұрын

    Mr. AronRa, first time I have ever seen one of your videos. Your lecture was clear, concise, well organized and delivered quite well. Thank you for your efforts in bringing clarity to a subject that is so important to many of us. I will watch more of your videos!

  • @0x777
    @0x7776 жыл бұрын

    The end reminds me of an old joke of a guy running into a church yelling "On the right, you only have con-men. And on the left, you only have their marks!" One on the right got up and said "Hey, I ain't no con man!" The man pointed to the left and said "Then you're sitting on the wrong side".

  • @velociraptorplanet
    @velociraptorplanet Жыл бұрын

    When I first began to leave the faith, I asked myself the question, “What would cause me to stop being a Christian?” I came to the conclusion that enough evidence would change my mind and I could, begrudgingly, walk away. I’ve asked this question to several of my Christian friends and I’m so disheartened to hear their response to that question was “nothing”.

  • @paulfromcanada5267
    @paulfromcanada52675 жыл бұрын

    You do realize that “appeal to authority “ is a logical fallacy?

  • @stevenschoeller5806
    @stevenschoeller58068 жыл бұрын

    @AronRa If you have not debated James White I would like you to. He is one of the most staunch Christian apologists I have ever encountered and needs to hear you.

  • @davelaneve2446
    @davelaneve24462 жыл бұрын

    This entire video is absolute gold. I've confronted many theists using these exact same points. It blows my mind that they won't even consider anything that contradicts their predisposed religious beliefs. That they would reject facts and reality and instead choose to live in a make believe fantasy world.

  • @emperorsgrandads
    @emperorsgrandads5 жыл бұрын

    As a Brit I struggle to grasp how a developed country (the supposed envy of the world - utter bullshit btw) can be so backwards in some states. It's some form of willfull regression. Deeply disturbing.

  • @ufodeath
    @ufodeath9 жыл бұрын

    Exemplary speech Aron! Do you still have that link to the post/webpage where the creationist you debated secretly admitted that you were making sense on evolution?

  • @semidemiurge
    @semidemiurge9 жыл бұрын

    That was an exceptional presentation, both in content and delivery. The clarity, the precision, the elocution...simply masterful.

  • @dahitmann

    @dahitmann

    9 жыл бұрын

    I'm convinced that I could listen to Aron lecture for three straight hours and not be one bit bored.

  • @lightbeforethetunnel
    @lightbeforethetunnel Жыл бұрын

    Aron is an Apologist for affirming any non-theistic worldview over any theistic worldview (without any justification for why any particular non-theistic worldview is true), so why is he mocking theistic worldviews for having Apologists who actually do give argumentation FOR their worldviews?

  • @thehowlingjoker

    @thehowlingjoker

    Жыл бұрын

    no

  • @lightbeforethetunnel

    @lightbeforethetunnel

    Жыл бұрын

    @thehowlingjoker Top symptom of pseudoskepticism - unsubstantiated counterclaim. Pseudoskepticism is fallacious, so it's inadmissible on it's face in intellectual forum. If you actually have justification for why you're saying "no" feel free to let me know.

  • @lightbeforethetunnel

    @lightbeforethetunnel

    Жыл бұрын

    @thehowlingjoker I can easily justify why the Christian worldview is the only true worldview, if you'd like. The justification also demonstrates why any non-theistic worldview is definitely false, at the same time. It starts with a disjunctive syllogism put into a logical conjunct. Disjunctive syllogism: Either P is true or Q is true. P = Christian worldview (as a complete system of starting presuppositions) Q = any non-Christian worldview (any other complete system of starting presuppositions) The systemic-level argument is P vs Q, where I'm arguing only P entails X is possible. (X = Knowledge, rational thought, intelligibility, science, etc) My interlocutor must *necessarily* argue that Q entails X is possible instead. (There is no position of neutrality or withholding judgment when it comes to worldviews, as they are non-contingent claims. So there is no position of neutrality or withholding judgment to appeal to in order to evade arguing for any worldview at all, as affirming a worldview is required just to engage in debate in the first place, write posts, or assert anything at all. Affirming a worldview is required just to have intelligibility, so neutrality is not an option that logically exists) So, my interlocutor and I are both making conflicting positive claims. Me: That only P entails X is possible. Interlocutor: That Q entails X is possible instead. The only way to resolve these conflicting positive claims is through a comparison of competing systems, where we are both allowed to do internal analysises of each other's worldviews in an attempt to justify our claims. So, which non-Christian worldview are you putting forth for the comparison of competing systems? Whichever non-Christian worldview you choose, I can do an internal analysis to demonstrate why it entails X is NOT possible (and therefore is contradictory, meaning false). Once I've done this for my interlocutor's worldview, I do the same for the other 7 possible starting points for non-Christian worldviews. Once I've done all 8 starting points, that's equivalent with refuting all non-Christian worldviews (since the possible variation among the normative-level beliefs won't matter as they'll all be contingent upon 1 of the 8 possible starting points) And since, at that point, I will have refuted all non-Christian worldviews that means I'm justified that Q is false in the disjunctive syllogism which justifies that P is true. P = Christian worldview. Done.

  • @lightbeforethetunnel

    @lightbeforethetunnel

    Жыл бұрын

    @thehowlingjoker You will never see Aron, or any other atheists activist / Apologist, even attempting to give justification for why any non-theistic worldview is true like I just did for why the Christian worldview is true. Instead, they arbitrarily begin with the premise that their particular non-theistic worldview is "the default" so they therefore don't need justification. This is false, as there is no such thing as a "default" worldview unless it can be justified as such. A "default position" or "null hypothesis" is something that exists only in scientific debates about normative-level claims. So it's a category error fallacy deriving from Scientism which causes them to approach all debates like they're scientific debates, even when they're specifically about topics beyond the limitations of what science can deal with. They simply do not understand Philosophy. Aron, for example, has been engaging in the theism vs atheism debate for 25+ years and still isn't even aware he's debating in the domain of Philosophy (metaphysics, specifically). That's patently absurd. If he doesn't even know which domain he's debating in, even after than long, it tells you a lot.

  • @thehowlingjoker

    @thehowlingjoker

    Жыл бұрын

    @@lightbeforethetunnel no

  • @Milesobrian
    @Milesobrian9 жыл бұрын

    Owning guns is in our cultural and heritage. Its about freedom and self-defense. Defending your loved ones and property from anyone who threatens those things. Not ego or power or paranoia. Of course there are bad people who own guns. That's true in any group.

  • @rrconly

    @rrconly

    9 жыл бұрын

    I might agree with you that it is in our culture and heritage but it is demonstrably true that owning a gun puts in in greater danger than not owning one. It is one thing to say, I own a gun because I enjoy them and the sport of shooting. Technically ownership of any property is protected by the Constitution, but it is quite another story to have an irrational belief that it is for self protection. Belief that it will some how protect you is the very definition of paranoia and is completely irrational.

  • @rrconly

    @rrconly

    9 жыл бұрын

    RDLONG30 I wonder if you did the research. It is a simple fact that owning a gun puts you at a greater risk than not owning a gun. Think about it, if a criminal intends to harm you, they have the upper hand. Having a gun means nothing in that case and it might make you take a risk that you'd be stupid to make and get killed in the process. Don't forget the accidental shootings as we'll. Now if you want to talk about training requirements and psychological examinations, background checks, etc.. In order to own a gun. I would have no problem with that at all. If you have to meet or exceed police requirements, awesome I will back that 100%. My guess is you don't.

  • @YOSSARIAN313

    @YOSSARIAN313

    9 жыл бұрын

    Miles O' Brian Owning slaves is in our heritage maybe we should go back to doing that. Arguments from tradition are worthless...

  • @YOSSARIAN313

    @YOSSARIAN313

    9 жыл бұрын

    Miles O' Brian I have no problem with guns per se just bad reasoning in favor of them

  • @rrconly

    @rrconly

    9 жыл бұрын

    Brett Wilson Exactly! No issue with them, but really bad reasoning.

  • @thrasho2
    @thrasho29 жыл бұрын

    the thing about religion is it's comforting, people want to feel like they have somebody powerful looking out for them and something to make death seem not so scary. so a rational person that doesn't want to let go of that will usually mold their religion to fit what they see as right.

  • @FaganRoberts
    @FaganRoberts9 жыл бұрын

    Except for his slam against lawful gun owners, good speech.

  • @echomjp

    @echomjp

    9 жыл бұрын

    In the USA, lawful gun ownership is a fairly low standard considering that many who commit gun crimes in this country are those who a simple background check would have prevented them from ever getting such easy access to firearms. Though generally speaking I do think that guns should be legal, that is more because I believe in personal liberty - not because I feel that people ever have any reasonable need to own guns in a democratic society where guns will be 100% useless in any kind of "revolution", and also are fairly ineffective in self-defense.

  • @l337pwnage

    @l337pwnage

    9 жыл бұрын

    echomjp If they can't pass the background check, then they are NOT LEGAL gun owners. Not that difficult of a concept.

  • @l337pwnage

    @l337pwnage

    9 жыл бұрын

    This is getting a bit nitpicky, but I just got to the school grounds example and he didn't hit gun owners _too_ hard (or, I'm sure not as hard as he wanted to). I don't know Texas's school ground rules, but I think Texas is one of those weird places that bans most types of open carry so that even people with CCW can actually be charged with a crime if anyone actually sees their gun. Hopefully there is some leeway, but it really sets a trap for people who want to carry. And, IIRC, they are also a state where your car is "your home", meaning that without a permit, you can carry in your car, but not on your person. Great for stopping car jackings, but now you have to worry about your gun getting stolen from your parked car. Anyway, I guess the point is Texas isn't the gun "free for all" Aron thinks it is. I know I saw lots of business posted "No Carry Allowed", whereas where I live, we have CCW, and almost NO businesses ban carry on their property. The few that did, allowed it after enough people told them they would no longer do business with them if they stayed posted.

  • @robertcartwright9405

    @robertcartwright9405

    9 жыл бұрын

    echomjp The primary reason why the chances of my using a gun in self defense are remote is because so many good people carry them in the first place. With nary a shot being fired. The deterrent effect upon potential evil doers is enormous. Never rely on mere "body counts" to determine the relevance of deterence. That's a mistake. Most armed conflicts are resolved without a shot being fired or a police report manifested.

  • @echomjp

    @echomjp

    9 жыл бұрын

    l337pwnage Well, there really aren't background checks of any reasonable standard in the vast majority of the USA, so here they are legal gun owners regardless of mental capacity. Texas is certainly a place where gun regulations are lax by most standards, and not being allowed to use open carry in certain places such as schools is a moot point. Many people feel that if someone is holding a gun out that they might use it on them or on someone else, and that is why it is typically seen as better to have a concealed firearm rather than to brazenly walk around with it in the open. Also, the fact that you can even get a permit to carry a gun outside of your car makes me think that the example you cited is a bit odd, unless getting said permit is exceptionally difficult. Edit: I live in Alaska by the way, where gun laws are also quite lax - open carry being something you can do without a permit, though guns cannot be brought into schools or legal institution buildings (courts and jails and such). They also cannot be brought into bars that serve alcohol, and it is illegal to drink at restaurants while carrying. All in all, that's about it.

  • @duxnihilo
    @duxnihilo9 жыл бұрын

    You kind of look like how I imagine Satan would be.

  • @duxnihilo

    @duxnihilo

    9 жыл бұрын

    (This is a good thing, btw).

  • @danielnatzke6733

    @danielnatzke6733

    9 жыл бұрын

    Good thing? ?? Lol okay

  • @duxnihilo

    @duxnihilo

    9 жыл бұрын

    Daniel Natzke You know, cool and charmingly evil looking Satan. With the thin moustache and the hair. I know it sounds ironic coming from me (I am the guy in the photo).

  • @uglyidgaf2006

    @uglyidgaf2006

    9 жыл бұрын

    attacking his looks because you dont have an argument lmfao pathetic

  • @danielnatzke6733

    @danielnatzke6733

    9 жыл бұрын

    ugly idgaf Did he attack his looks? Read everything he's said.

  • @Skedarking85
    @Skedarking859 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff as always sir. But will someone please tell me how to get that Neanderthal skull shirt?

  • @SlideRulePirate
    @SlideRulePirate9 жыл бұрын

    What happened to Robert Fitzpatrick subsequent to the non-rapture. I think he wrote a book but that is all I've been able to find out.

  • @ryantollmann1257
    @ryantollmann12579 жыл бұрын

    I propose you come to a church and using nothing but the bible prove your position....not fair? Why because I created a structure of rules and I'm forcing you to confirm your ideas within that structure only? But its OK for people to create a structure of rules regarding processes acknowledging ONLY Newtonian mechanics as viable evidence? I see you can force religion into your box but its would be unfair to force your beliefs into a religious box? I say both sides are not equipped nor willing to address what is not predominantly their area of expertise. Science is best suited to explain how, and religion is best suited to explain why, and never the two should argue.

  • @Typhoon2142

    @Typhoon2142

    9 жыл бұрын

    Like AronRa said in his speech, if reality doesn't fit your beliefs, reality must be wrong. Our understanding of reality is the only thing we have to build our society on. Using ancient books of fairy tales is clearly a way to annihilation. By the way - what religion are you talking about? Islam? Hinduism? Ah, of course...Christianity. Well, your religion can't explain anything. You can't even make predictions based on the Bible scriptures. Your cult is just one of many. And science is the only way to explain anything. Your arguments are not equally valid. Religion is not equal to science. Your scripture doesn't go the same shelf as my science books. Your books go over there, on the shelf with Thor, Zeus and the Kraken.

  • @woodrose5980

    @woodrose5980

    9 жыл бұрын

    ***** Rebellion against the creator is in our sinful nature. The Bible doesn't predict that, it declares it. Only a change of heart brought on by God would allow you to see what a fool you are. Hopefully one day it will be the fool you were.

  • @Angelmou

    @Angelmou

    9 жыл бұрын

    Ruben Rosado Feelings have no relevance for the truth or the nature of reality. If you feel guilty for example or you claim a character named god likes or dislikes according to his or her personal taste something. It is irrelevant. Especially when people just talk about fictional characters out of a random book like the bible.

  • @woodrose5980

    @woodrose5980

    9 жыл бұрын

    What I said couldn't be more relevant. Not only do people simply deny the scriptures but they mock it, ridicule it, put it next to mythology. Why go that extra mile? Rebellion

  • @Angelmou

    @Angelmou

    9 жыл бұрын

    Ruben Rosado So you just repeat that a random bad written collection of contradictive tales is relevant. Nope it is not. I can show you, you don't even believe in it word by word. Example: "Leviticus 11:13-19 (King James 13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, 14 and the vulture, and the kite after his kind; (...) , 19 and the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the *bat*. Is the bat a fowl yes or no? Mark 16:18 "18: They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." Can you drink deadly things like snake venom? Yes or no?

  • @Milesobrian
    @Milesobrian9 жыл бұрын

    I like your channel. But I hate when you put down gun rights like in Texas comment.

  • @SuperJBrowne

    @SuperJBrowne

    9 жыл бұрын

    Maybe if idiots stop shooting eachother then maybe there wouldn't need to be any call for regulation, and before you say "oh how will I protect myself?" just think about countries who have STRICT gun laws and their crime statistics.

  • @Ascendaeus

    @Ascendaeus

    9 жыл бұрын

    SuperJBrowne www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime Yeah, it Looks Like Rape is Twice as Common in the U.K. as in the United States. Is That what you were Looking For?

  • @Ascendaeus

    @Ascendaeus

    9 жыл бұрын

    SuperJBrowne 18 Percent more Murder too, What do ya Know...

  • @SuperJBrowne

    @SuperJBrowne

    9 жыл бұрын

    Ascendaeus But are their statistics worse than the U.S?

  • @SuperJBrowne

    @SuperJBrowne

    9 жыл бұрын

    Ascendaeus The U.S has 669 time the firearms crime rate that the UK does.

  • @astralwarrior2184
    @astralwarrior21846 жыл бұрын

    great stuff, but I gotta ask, AronRa, have you yourself done any studies into the spiritual world, I mean the astral and energy world, because I can vouch for it myself through my own induced experiment and insight....thats what I do, I never believe anything im told or have looked into until ive tried it for myself and done my own experiments...anyway...good luck lol

  • @n1ghtmar3mach1n3

    @n1ghtmar3mach1n3

    5 жыл бұрын

    He's mentioned in previous videos his foray into those areas in his youth...

  • @mrtadreamer

    @mrtadreamer

    5 жыл бұрын

    AronRa has his roots in the demonic dimensions. Take a look at the following video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gYhqupVpc6rIg5s.html

  • @chazsaw
    @chazsaw9 жыл бұрын

    Is there any chance Aron will be coming to Dunedin?! :D

  • @scottdrew306
    @scottdrew3065 жыл бұрын

    Aaron would you consider doing a commercial for 'I cant believe its not butter'