You really know your stuff. I hope Behringer is listening to your suggestions.

Phenomenal nerdy analysis. Thank you very much 💛💙

As always, Incredible breakdown. You should reach out to them directly. At least in my dealings with them they tend to be very receptive to this kind of feedback. They even have their own Facebook synth page where feedback like this would be gold. If anything they should get you on to further develop more accurate vintage implementation.

Great review and in depth dive into the synth

@CreativeSpiral

4 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Thanks for going into this! Great info.

A well researched factual video, thanks for that. The good news in this context is that third-party manufacturers can now sell patch sheets on which the Atrophy settings matching the patch created can be noted. The last sentence was, of course, not meant entirely seriously. 😉

At 5:30 regarding UBX: it will have discrete VCOs and the true 2-pole OTA-based SEM filters. There will be additional 4-pole filter modes as well, but those will use a different circuit. Note: in the UBX there will be no CEM chips of any kind, even though a vintage OB-X used CEM3310 EGs. Not even the OB-X8 does this anymore as software transient generators have long since taken over.

This video was very educational. Thank you very much!

@CreativeSpiral

Ай бұрын

Glad you found it useful! Cheers!

Lovely video! Helped me alot! Thanks man

@CreativeSpiral

Ай бұрын

Glad you found it helpful!

Thanks for shedding some light on the atrophy inner working mystery. I am hoping they will implement what you are describing with time. For the money, I think it's a decent buy and there are some cool and useful sounds and even some modern sounds thrown in. It's not an ob8x (as it can be heard from starsky carr demo) but for my general ob sound it will do for now. Besides, I am not planning to spent many thousands of dollars for something luxury that to me is marginally better. They should make LCD intensity as a quick user presets accessed with a shift function to remedy the problem with viewing angle.

Awesome video. Just had to click the time bar like 50 times to see you actually play a note.

@CreativeSpiral

4 ай бұрын

I'll be uploading some more videos with sound examples soon... this was just a technical overview and my first impressions. Am still deciding if I'll do a whole soundset for this synth.

Thank you for the in-depth analysis. I also have an OB-X8 and in the side by side comparisons I've heard, there is definitely something a bit "VST" sounding about the UB-XA... some sounds on the UB-XA are pretty good, and definitely bring to mind an Oberheim vibe, but other sounds have a smidgeon of harshness or artificial quality to them -- to the point they actually grate on my nerves. As you pointed out, the OB-X8 is really 3 synths in one (OB-X, OB-Xa and OB-8), and once that is taken into consideration the fact they are releasing the OB-X and OB-Xa as two separate products really subtracts from their value proposition in my opinion. Where I think they went horribly wrong with this product was taking 7 years to get it out the door -- with that much time in R&D it needed to be perfect. They should have just done the best they could to produce an "Obie Inspired" synth at the $799 mark. Nobody would have anything to complain about with this synth at that price point. They should have ditch the blue stripes, as that's clearly a counterfeit marketing ploy to use visuals to make the buyer think they're getting the same thing as an Oberheim. They should have just invested no more than 3 years in the R&D cost, don't worry about sound comparisons they got wrong anyway, and tell the buyer "it's not an Oberheim but you won't find anything else like it for $799" and they would have had an absolutely front runner on their hands.

@pickyyeeter

5 ай бұрын

Most comparisons I've seen between the two compare the presets against each other, which isn't a great way to compare considering the presets aren't even identical. It's a bit like comparing the flavor of two eggs by trying them in cakes using two different recipes. If one seems harsher than the other in this kind of comparison, it's likely due to differences in filter settings between presets. What we interpret as "harshness" is usually just the presence of more upper harmonics.

@AudioLomtik

5 ай бұрын

@@pickyyeeter What I mean by harshness in this case isn't just the presence of upper harmonics.... it's just relative to the lack of harshness on the OB-X8. I have a lot of other synths in a similar price range, but one thing that's a bit special about the OB-X8 is that it captures this weird, and indescribable relationship between the oscillators that just seems to elude other synths... but to my ears it's what makes an Obie an Obie. I've heard some sounds from the UB-XA that just seem to have some of the harmonics out of place, like peaking in the wrong places. I'm sure it could be overcome with FX, but that's one of the strengths of the OB-X8. Literally when you put chorus or other fx on it, it almost always seems to lessen the sonic quality of the sound, because the dry sound coming out of it is just right. That's not true of most synths.

@EnervatedSociety

5 ай бұрын

The X8 has SEM/OB-X VCOs and the UB has Curtis (clone) VCOs. Obviously you need to pit the UB against an OB-Xa, after you tune it to that particular Xa. No doubt it falls short but that is at least what's it's trying to be, not an X8 (with or without an Xa/Curtis filter) or OB-X. I see the synth is selling like crazy so the current price seems to be fine with many. Also, you got the years wrong and B played up the 6 year thing for advertising but it didn't take that long either. It took about 4 years, with covid and everything else that went down. The 6 year thing comes from Uli posting on then gearslutz asking if he should make it, that was in January 2018. They did not start making it then. In a 15 round blind listening test between the OB6, X8 and UB, just picking out which sounds I like from best to worst, I ended up surprising myself. Bias is a real thing. I picked the OB6 dead last every time for whatever reason and the UB and X8 almost evenly for first place. Obviously one had to win due to the fact that it as 15 rounds but had there been 16, who knows.

@Fallingoverbackwards

5 ай бұрын

Lets be honest, the synth community would complain at any price point. If it was dipped in pure gold they would complain it glitters too much. We are a complainy bunch.

@kevingort4926

4 ай бұрын

This synth is a front runner tho.

First off, I'm a huge fan of your voice component modeling approach - I pretty much use your offsets on all my analog patches on my Hydrasynth Deluxe. So thanks for that and for this video. When it comes to the UB-Xa, like you, I have the OB-X8 as well and I net about the same on pluses and minuses. I hadn't thought of using the panning offsets to modulate individual voices, so I started playing around with that today. I have my own Atrophy settings that also help IMO. I have found that if I A/B the two synths and do some deep programming on the UB-Xa I can get really close on a lot of sounds, and I can also go in some places with the UB-Xa via the mod matrix that I can't get on the OB-X8. But, in a pure sound sense, the OB-X8 is still the king.

@CreativeSpiral

5 ай бұрын

Thanks David! I agree.

I traded my excellent condition 40 year OB8 for the Oberheim/Sequential OB-X8. I was worried that it might need a trip to the shop soon. Then, I sold the OB-X8, pocketed a few grand, and then got this Behringer. Out of the box, the Behringer patches need a lot of work/tweaks to sound as good as the previous two I mentioned. I probably should have kept the OB-X8, as it if VERY fat and has a little more sizzle. However, some of the demos assure me I can tweak the Behr to sound like I want it to....

Great video. The Drift / Motion speed can be set to 0 in atrophy settings for fixed offsets. But the offsets are random and not curated.

@CreativeSpiral

5 ай бұрын

Thanks! There's actually another set of issues with setting the "drift speeds" to 0, while trying to still use the atrophy offsets... I had another ~5 min that I cut out of this video, just because it's already pretty long... basically, if you try to do this, when you turn off the synth and turn it back on the next time, you'll have all sorts of issues with the atrophy offsets all being in a single direction. (ie: the drift LFOs that run the atrophy seem to be digital, and when you have speed set to 0, they will all be "in phase" when you first turn on the synth, causing the atrophy settings to just globally offset parameters, rather than give per voice variances) So, yeah, don't recommend doing this... the workaround would have to be: every time you turn on the synth, go into atrophy settings and dial up the speed so the drift lfos can diverge, then dial down the speed back to 0 so they will stop artificially moving. My approach has just been to set all the per voice atrophy settings to ZERO and use the mod matrix for any vintage offsets I want. I just uploaded a template program, and my VCM Atrophy profile here: www.presetpatch.com/synth/behringer-ub-xa One thing to note is that the UB-XAs tuning calibration is looser / less precise than some other modern VCO synths on the market, so you do get a good amount of natural Osc phasing, even with no extra per-voice variances added in.

Is it possible to change OSC1 frequency by semitones, or is it stuck to changing only using octaves ?

Youre a legend for coming up with the modern "vintage mode" techniques! What are your thoughts on the TEO-5? Personally i preordered immediately and dropped the thought of rebuying an ob6 or saving up for an x8 as i only really care about the SEM filter + the modulation options and oscillators sound crazy

@CreativeSpiral

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! :) I'm excited about the TEO-5... pre-ordered it! Agree about the SEM filter sound. It's really the gem of Oberheim synth past.

Great video... it is interesting that the focus is on what i would consider smaller things that will likely get fixed (the screen though is not small) and the fact that it is 1/4 the price, has double the voices, poly aftertouch and mod matrix is like oh yeah .., it has those things.. like a footnote by the way. Sound is what 90% there? Couldn't pick it out of a line up with added effects or in a mix. It seems to me that its a lot of videos justifying the ob-x8 purchase.

@CreativeSpiral

5 ай бұрын

Thanks. I pointed out both good and bad things about the synth in the video... mentioned a couple times in the video about liking the mod matrix, 16 voices, and the overall value... I'm still unsure about PolyAT keybed... the action is so light compared to other synths I own, that it requires an alteration to playing style... keybed feel is something that I do highly value. And as mentioned in the video, the screen is not great, but not a deal breaker either. My generally feeling about the vintage mode implementation is not good though, for the four reasons I pointed out... not sure if they can/will address them, but I figure putting out a video like this with specific researched points may make it more likely it is addressed... and in that case everyone in the UB-Xa community will benefit. Regarding the popping/clicking noise that is often present, hoping that can be fixed in firmware and is not a hardware design issue with the VCAs... though it could be. As with any comparison of bargain vs premium products, you're going to get better value on the bargain side.... classic 80/20 rule stuff. The Toyota Highlander gets the fam from A-to-B and fills 90% of needs/desires... but there's always gonna be a market for a Porsche Cayenne as well, for people who want that little bit of extra performance, luxury, and overall quality. It's good to have both options available.

@Fallingoverbackwards

5 ай бұрын

@@CreativeSpiral i agree with the car analogy. But its more like comparing an expensive 100k car that only has a 4 cylinder engine to a car with double the horsepower and more features for only 25k except the display is annoying and the steering wheel is a bit stiff. I do 100% agree with you that a 5000.00 ob-x8 will feel better, more luxurious. And that does matter. Its not all math and specs. Emotional connection with a synth impacts the music. This is my argument against vst's, i dont think they yield the same emotional connection. I am very glad you made this video and hopefully Behringer takes notes and implements these fixes you are suggesting because they are spot on

It seems you are saying that if I build a patch using Atrophy #1 and save it, then switch the machine to a different atrophy, then revert back to Atrophy 1 that your patch will then sound different and need to be tweaked again? I will have to test mine... Is that your claim? Thanks much for your insights into these attributes.

@CreativeSpiral

4 ай бұрын

I was saying if you design a bunch of sounds on Atrophy #1, and then create a new sound and decide it would sound better with some adjustments to the vintage character, and you alter the settings in Atrophy #1, then all your patches you previously designed to use Atrophy #1 will sound different.... since Atrophy settings are not saved on a per-patch basis. If you don't alter the atrophy settings in a given profile, the settings will stay the same... however, since the voice variances are based on randomness / lfo drift, you're always playing a bit of roulette with the exact character you get. (you may get random moments of more extreme dissonance, when random lfo/drift is 180 degrees out of phase for oscillators in a given voice, or between voices.)

any thoughts on the pitch bender? I've never used this style so I'm not sure how it compares to a wheel or a roland style joystick for lead/solo lines

@kierenmoore3236

4 ай бұрын

The flippers? Those are a vintage Oberheim thing, that they’ve carried forward.

Is this per voice variance in older synths a symptom of component degradation?

@CreativeSpiral

Ай бұрын

Component degradation is part of the cause for variances over time, but even with new circuitry (from 1970s/80s), there was natural variances in the electrical performance of resistors, capacitors, ICs, etc... also, keeping multiple voices in tune and matched over multiple octaves is often tough... so the experience and focus of the technician who last performed calibration would be a key factor as well... and finally, the operating temperature of the synth circuitry can have a significant effect on the performance/calibration of oscillators/filter/etc. So, yeah, its multiple factors. In todays modern synths, the circuitry is generally better matched, with closer electrical tolerances -- and modern auto-tuning algorithms have become very advanced, sometimes with temperature calibrated indexes stored at every degree of Celsius difference (like in Sequential's synths).

I think we will see updates released that may solve these issues.

@CreativeSpiral

5 ай бұрын

Hopefully so. It does seem like the vintage mode / atrophy setting issues could be addressed in firmware if there's a will to do so by the Behringer team. Changing the screen out or keybed springs is not something I'm particularly keen to want to do, but I may consider. I'm not sure about the clicking/popping issue though... hopefully that can be addressed in firmware, though it's possible that is a hardware issue with the VCAs.

@Fallingoverbackwards

5 ай бұрын

@@CreativeSpiral keyboard is fine i thought, yeah screen hmmm 🤨 Clicking popping, that could be an issue

@drsamurai009

5 ай бұрын

@veSpiral Behringer has been really on top of things as far as firmware updates since they ventured into analog synths going back to the Model D. The popping is something I've seen in other gear that was fixed in firmware. The Pro-800 has had several updates in firmware that have helped it along the way. I'm guessing that several issues can/may well be addressed. Fingers crossed. I've not yet purchased either the X8 or the UB (though I suspect I will get both, probably the desktop X8) but some of the quirks you mentioned in the atrophy area are just a matter of life in my OB-Xa. The voice card tunings are what they are and are not programmable. All hardware synths have their limitations and often they lead you creatively in new, unexpected playing directions. My OB-Xa and my Prophet 5 rev 3 have different voice stealing circumstances so I often will come up with a riff on one, and test it on the other and get very different results. My Matrix 6 can be programmed to cycle thru the voice cards or not. I'd be curious if either the X8 or UB can be set up to not cycle in a similar manner and change the way voices are stolen.

I agree with most of what you said. I've had the UB-Xa for about a month now. What puzzles me is that you already had an OB-X8, so why would you want to get a UB-Xa and sell your Oberheim? Me I'm doing the reverse of that. I got the Behringer in the hopes that it would be enough to satisfy my need for an OB-Xa clone, but I'm afraid that I might have to get the OB-X8 and sell both my UB-Xa and OB6. But I would miss the mod matrix missing on the OB-X8 and the naming of patches of the UB-Xa missing on the OB6. The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning towards the OB-X8 to get what I'm looking for. But that price tag! Geez! All that money for only 8 voices and no mod matrix? Anyway, thanks for an honest opinion, and for sharing it. BTW, do you know what is the algorithm for the per voice tuning of the OB-X8, I imagine that it would be similar to that of the OB6 perhaps?

@CreativeSpiral

5 ай бұрын

Was thinking that the UB-Xa, with extra voices, mod matrix and PolyAT keybed might convince me to move on from my OBX8… but as outlined in the video, the UB has some shortcomings. The Vintage Knob on OBX8 uses same methodology as other Seq synths since P5r4.

@AlainHubert

5 ай бұрын

@@CreativeSpiral Finally came to the same conclusions as you did after I got my hands on an OB-X8 and put it against my UB-Xa. I found that the UB-Xa lacks higher harmonics content next to the Oberheim, even with the "Brighter" atrophy setting. I don't think that's something that they can correct in firmware though. The popping artifact of the VCA envelope that you mentioned bothered me too. My DeepMind 12 has had the same issue that was never corrected. Probably a poor hardware design, with some kind of VCA DC offset or something? Anyway, I'm keeping only the Oberheim. But I'll surely miss the mod matrix of the UB-Xa and the 16-voice polyphony.

What I'd really like to see a video that compares the same patch on the OB-X8, UB-Xa and the new official Oberheim OB-X VST or very good OP-X II Pro. All 4 ideally. And while it seems clear the UB-Xa is not as good as the OB-X8, how does it compare to a good OB-X VST? Or even the Arturia OB-Xa since it models the OB-Xa. Still at $1200 it's way below the price of the OB-X8. Should it be at $800 as someone suggested? $1200 seems like a great discount vs buying an Oberheim. Even the OB-6 is much more. But sure, I'd be more tempted at $800. How about 50 bucks then? So far, I'm probably more sold on the VST idea which I've used for years, and very satisfied in the ability to recreate the famous OB sounds for my live bands, and the portability and price point can't be beat. Plus I can cover the sounds of the OB-X, OB-Xa, Eight Voice, SEM module and Matrix 12 all out of one device (laptop). The VST option produces the most sonic variations even over buying an OB-X8. I'm fine with assigning MIDI CC to the real-time knobs & sliders on my MIDI controller. And the original Oberheim's didn't have poly aftertouch and as I recreate covers of famous songs in my bands, I don't have to have poly aftertouch to do that.

@CreativeSpiral

5 ай бұрын

Not sure if I'm gonna do any comparison videos... will consider it. Regarding VSTs -- they have come a long way, especially in the past five years or so... Arturia (and many other VST developers) have added really good vintage voice modeling options into their synths (including the latest version of their Arturia OB-Xa VST). Sonic Projects OP-X is also excellent. The sonic differences nowadays are small in most sound design scenarios. I created a video a couple years ago when Arturia stated implementing good voice modeling in their VSTs: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pGlq1puuhLfHqc4.html Obviously comparing software with a dedicated hardware instrument is somewhat apples-to-oranges, but if you're good with the workflow and interface, then it's certainly a good option. I use several VSTs when I'm just working in DAW on songwriting... But I definitely prefer the hardware synths for live jamming with others and improv looping / dawless creation.

@n8goulet

5 ай бұрын

@@CreativeSpiral I think your viewers would be curious to hear the sound differences between them. The operational differences would be pretty obvious to anyone that uses VST's, but there are still many who don't that think you have to use the mouse to make all your adjustments and don't know about mapping real-time controllers to their existing keyboard. From a sound difference demo, it might help some decided if they want an Oberheim synth in the hardware or software format. In terms of operation, I generally prefer the software format. I understand how it works and love the portability that I can take it to gigs or practice with my band and it all fits on my laptop along with lots of other instruments I don't need to carry. I'd think people that use the VST's would be curious to hear what they might be missing out in sound differences. Personally, I'm not too convinced hardware is superior in terms of the sound differences. This is exactly why I'd like to see more side by side comparisons showing how hardware might sound different for those times it might. I replaced all of my classic synths with VST clones, and I use the latest Yamaha Montage sounds too as my only hardware synth I still use. I've replaced analog synths with my VST's such as my 1973 ARP, and the VST clone does an excellent job of reproducing the same sounds I used on the real thing. I did a side by side A/B test of the same patches before I sold my original. I wish I had done a video on it. Soft synths got me into synths in the first place. I loved the concept behind them. But it was 1985 for me on the Amiga. VST's and soft synths to the rest of the world were largely unknown until the late 90s. I switched to almost all hardware by 1990 until PC soft synths started getting serious in the late 90s just before VST's. I might some day be interested in buying a UB-Xa or OB-X8, but I'd want to know exactly what it might do for me the VST's don't in terms of sound. My gut feeling is.....very little. But I need to hear more direct comparisons, and there seem to be few and I bet a ton of people interested in this topic. I'd want to know why I should spend between $1200 - $5000 on hardware over VST's which are inexpensive and on the surface, appear to do almost exactly the same thing. Is there something I'm missing? I want to be convinced I'm wrong in my thinking, but yet to hear any good evidence of it. Would make a great video topic. I've yet to find a music store that has an OB-X8 for me to try, or even the UB-Xa so far. I did spend hours with an OB-8 in the mid 90s and even recorded sounds to my laptop's direct audio in (not sure where my files went). OB-X VST's pretty much sound near exactly like my memory of the OB-8. I did spend a few hours with the OB-6 a few years back, and heard nothing out of it I didn't think the OB-X VST's could produce nor did I hear any sounds that fell in the analog spectrum that I hear in some analog synths. Usually the character of those sounds is all there in the VST's, there is still that little different spectrum not possible in digital I hear (not sure it even really matters in the context of a band). Didn't hear even that out of the OB-6 though.

If Atrophy changes the sound design, but can't be saved with the sound ... that's going to be a nightmare for playing live, especially if the screen is hard to see!

@Dudderlyful

5 ай бұрын

Not many people would play with several oberheims on stags at once though. But a per patch atrophy might be nice.

@SoundtrackAudioCom

5 ай бұрын

@@Dudderlyful Absolutely, I agree, they wouldn't, which is why being able to change the patch and have the Atrophy change with it would be important

So its a bit of a lemon. From all the videos I have seen the filter at full resonance doesn't sound like the classic SEM. Is that just because of the sound designer or the actual hardware?

@CreativeSpiral

3 ай бұрын

Yeah.. It only has the Curtis based filter.. not the SEM unfortunately… as I mentioned in video, would have been nice if they just included both option, like the Oberheim OBX8… since that other filter is generally the most desired.

@Skylabz604

3 ай бұрын

@@CreativeSpiral thanks for clearing that out. For some reason I assumed this had the SEM filter.

Aside from your preferred method of implementing vintage characteristics, which you seemingly know a lot about, you've pretty much concluded what many others have. I (and we really) agree the Atrophy settings should be savable per patch, (and yes separated from the rest is a good idea) but I'd also like to keep the 8 global options because I think it could be useful as well. I think the performance lfo settings/section should also be saved with the patch. For now, an easy, but somewhat limited, work around is to name your patch in accordance to the Atrophy mode you used to make it. So a number or letter at the end of the patch name, for example. Behringer is working on an update, and taking notes, so lets see what happens. You might want to send them this vid and whatever other thoughts you have. Can't hurt.

@CreativeSpiral

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, will keep my fingers crossed... for the time being I'm just not using any of the built in vintage/atrophy controls... and instead using the mod matrix to manually dial in per-voice variances with the FlipLR and Spiral sources. It's four items I see regarding the vintage implementation: 1. Separate per-voice variance control from global params which completely alter sound designs. 2. Use stable curated offsets paradigm rather than artificial drift/slop. 3. Save the ~40 atrophy settings per patch, but can keep the global profiles as "favorites" that can be switched to. 4. Add some way to easily scale / dial in the amount of the atrophy, like the Vintage Knob. Hopefully they can address those. As for the low frequency clicking/popping sound, hoping that is also fixable via firmware, and not a hardware issue... its pretty prominent, and makes it hard to do a lot of sound designs with shorter attack times.

@EnervatedSociety

5 ай бұрын

@@CreativeSpiral That all sounds good to me. I just found out you can save the performance section settings with a Double (presumable the a Split as well?) preset, but not the Balance knob position. 🙃Well according to Tim Shoebridge. Strange thing to overlook. Also, I wonder why not with a normal presets? Maybe there's a conflict. I have no idea. I don't even have the synth but I'm considering it hence my interest in all this.

8:10 - "The timing of the LFOs varies voice to voice." Almost all of those classic synths you showed share a common LFO for all voices. Perhaps the modulation amount sent to whichever parameter of each voice can be slightly varied between voices, but it's impossible for there to be different timing as it's all the same, single LFO. (Or two in the case of bi-timbral synths.)

@CreativeSpiral

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, if its a single global LFO with no layers, then no per-voice timing variances. But for the synths with two or more (by timbrality or Osc3 LFO modes), there are timing variances, just not necessarily with every voice having unique differences.

Detuning voices is done intentionally for sound. The other per-voice differences probably reflect units that need service. However this is an excellent marketing opportunity and I'm not surprised Behringer makes a mockery of a misinterpretation.

Those "popping noises" are analog behavior. It's just most people think analogue is only "charm".

@CreativeSpiral

5 ай бұрын

I've got a lot of analog synths. The level of popping/clicking on UB-Xa is definitely above and beyond any other synth I own. Even when significantly turning up the attack time, the residual of the pop still comes through... especially when listening on bigger monitors or PA speakers that can render those low frequencies at amplitude.

why doesn't Sweetwater have this synth yet?

@CreativeSpiral

4 ай бұрын

I got mine from Sweetwater... they got a limited stock, and next wave is backordered. (note: I pre-ordered it back in 2021)

Well, finally a review that presents its value. I also chose the obx8. The plastic shafts on the pots concerned me especially at its price point, but with everything else pointed out, I can safely say, no thanks to this one.

@EnervatedSociety

5 ай бұрын

I have a Nord lead, plastic shafts, and it's still going 29 years later give or take. I don't know how important that is.

@Dudderlyful

5 ай бұрын

It's not worth x4 times more, that's the value.

@MrCowfood

5 ай бұрын

@@Dudderlyful if that is a valuable aspect to you, then it is.. for me, this doesn’t present value. For me it’s quality parts, and a proper sound that present value. In 5 years you can ask which of the 2 synths de-value the most. I speculate the UBXa will de-value by a wider margin.

@EnervatedSociety

5 ай бұрын

​@@MrCowfood Probably as the UB is a more attainable synth to begin with and there are so many of them already. I did see a used perfect condition X8 for $3500 a couple months ago and at the time there were others going for around 36-38. I see now they've gone up some but there are less of them (used) for sale. There is one for $3600 but only local pickup. That's quite a dip from 5k which is what I paid, before returning it a week later. They should have been $3500 from the get, that's a fair price for it IMO.

@kevingort4926

4 ай бұрын

I think.you spent 4x as much with not much to show for it.....and the rage is seething.

So, at present, no...scrap that. Sounds to me like the thing BEH should do in firmware Update is simply SCRAP the Atrophy implementation and replace it altogether. The bottom line of Atrophy is that it would be best to pick one Profile, run with that and NEVER TOUCH IT, ever again. This would keep all your patches from being raped on a routine basis. As is, you would need to keep a log: My preset U-24 uses Atrophy Profile #3. So, when I decide to play with U-25, which uses AT Profile 7, I need to remember to change AT Profile back to #3 after I've engaged preset U-24...for 24 to sound as I intended. Either that or ONLY EVER use AT PROFILE #3. Maybe there would be a few happy accidents... I wonder if a companion software could account for or FIX the matter: You save a U (user) patch, using AT Profile #1 and the companion softer immediately saves it paired with every possible AT Profile. I can't recall how many you said there are. 8? So, you make one patch and you get 7 more variations of it. By then, you likely can't remember what it was you were going to record...

@CreativeSpiral

18 күн бұрын

Yeah, its not an ideal situation. Hopefully Behringer will address this with future firmware updates to remedy the situation / alter the atrophy implementation.

@watchaddicts1213

18 күн бұрын

@@CreativeSpiral This was great for me, BECAUSE...I have always completely ignored my OBXA (Arturia) Plug in favor of the GForce OBIES and OPX-Pro V3. So, thanks to you, I"m using OBXA now. It's nice!

Atrophy: A stupid name (as if synths degrade from lack of use!) for a stupid feature. Check out the "Analog Drift" control on our Poly-Ana VST/AU plugin. It is continuous, from rock-solid-stable oscillator and filter tuning to massive drift, but that drift also builds up over time (and resets whenever you zero the knob, so it can actually be performed on and used to effect - let it start to drift into the wild, then dial it back some or reset it entirely, turn it back up, and listen as it slowly starts to drift out of tune again). There is also a stable "Detune" control that doesn't drift randomly over time. It applies only to the oscillators (actually it's done at the virtual control-voltage level, so it doesn't throw off the tuning of the patch, just the relative tuning between voices) and is mostly intended to apply "fatness" to Unison sounds, though also works with polyphonic sounds.

Just wait until behringer adds full fat creamy mode via firmware, you will forget about the shitty keybed, wobbly pots, random popping noises and poor implementation of the vintage modes, it’s gonna be a game changer , due to be released around 2032

@adamjacksonmedia

3 ай бұрын

If I'm still alive, I will DEFINITELY be upgrading! Fingers crossed!

@jeshkam

2 ай бұрын

When you can't even afford a Behringer clone of an OB...👆😂😂

@INeedsMoneys

11 күн бұрын

But my doctor keeps telling me i need to stick to light products. Too much fatty cream make my heart wobble undesirable 💁🏻‍♂️🥲

sounds????????????

@CreativeSpiral

5 ай бұрын

Working on some sound designs... not sure if I'll make a full soundset and demo for this synth... I keep running into that low frequency clicking/popping noise. I did upload a few free patches here: www.presetpatch.com/synth/behringer-ub-xa