I have two Ducatis, a 2022 and a 2023, and I experienced some fueling issues (including your stalling when coasting to a light) during the first couple hundred miles on each. I quickly figured out it was the gasoline I purchased. Most brands of gasoline are fairly similar, they are all sourced via the same pipelines from the refineries to your local market where the individual brands add their own additive packages (research it if you doubt me). Interestingly, I found my bikes run best using the mid grade gas instead of premium. All motorcycles are designed to run on European fuel and meet Euro 5 emissions (ask your dealer if you doubt me). Our fuel is not the same and therefore there will be glitches in the programming. You need to experiment with different brands if you are having stalling issues. My bikes have been trouble free for thousands of miles both in summer and now in winter since I switched.

I’ve had a couple of bikes over the years that did the same and after repairs I switched to 100% gas and/or VP gas and never had another issue. Some bikes seem not to be able to handle fuel with ethanol or additives. May not have anything to do with ur issue but just something u may want to consider. Appreciate the info, I’m looking to make my first hyper purchase in the very near future so it helps to know these kind of issues exist before I buy. Thanks bro keep it up!

The problem is definitely the buildup of sticky stuff on the throttle body butterflies. Cleaned mine at least 5 times now. First clean only lasted a few months. Then about every 2000 miles. The last time I cleaned them it was due a new air filter & oil. This 2020 HM950s now has about 12000 miles and is beginning to show signs of sticking TB’s again. The thing runs fantastic after a clean. Crisp response and zero stalling. I don’t know if all models have it but mine has an oil breather line from the crankcase up to and into the air box. It is directly across from the rear TB on the right side. My theory: I believe oil vapor is being sucked into the air box via this breather tube and cooking onto the butterflies surface. This, over time, turns into the sticky mess that causes the stalling. The sensitive action of the stepper cannot overcome the resistance of the residue. The valves want to open/close but stick momentarily confusing the ECU and TPS and you start cussing Ducati again. I believe the new air filter, Castrol synthetic filled to slightly lower level on sight glass with a thorough butterfly cleaning will change your life. To prove my theory I intend to modify or remove the breather line to prove it is indeed a flaw with the EPA/Euro# crankcase vapor recycling system 🙄Unfortunately I reached this halffasst theory after buttoning up the last TB cleaning. I’d like to know if all HM950s have this breather tube. I love my Hyper but damn it’s embarrassing to be showing off fleeing the scene of hooliganism and have her crap out at the next light. Hope this helps…… I know it does. I’m experimenting on a permanent fix. Arrivederci y’all

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

Well for starters, I have to say thank you for taking the time to write up this thorough response. How long does the process usually take for you to clean the throttle bodies? Also, if you identify a permanent fix, please keep us posted! That said, I'll be having the dealership assess the bike soon and hope to identify what is causing my Hyper to stall. And certainly I'll update everyone on what they identify as a fix. If it helps, you might want to look into replacing the tank - take that with a grain of salt as I can't confirm this rectifies the problem. I've read there is a chemical lining that leaches into the fuel system from within the tank and cause the "sticky stuff" to deposit on the throttle bodies. I've also been told it's possible to "soak" the tank or clean it out so this doesn't continue. Again, I don't yet know what the solution is, although that might be something you investigate/consider. Also as you mentioned, this bike is simply a marvelous machine, but stalling at a light after the hooliganism is rather frustrating to say the least.

@brazosducati

Жыл бұрын

Seems like the fuel filter would gum up if the tank was the culprit. Not saying it isn’t……possible I suppose. Getting to the TB’s is the time consuming part. Whatever the goo is it is easy to clean off. It only accumulates on the outer realm of the intake opening of the throttle bodies. This would be the outer most rings and the butterflies. Especially at the point of contact where the butterflies make contact with the throat of the TB. And of course this is also where the hinges are. I made a tool to hold the butterflies open. Cleanup is pretty quick. Put it all back together. Takes about two hours. I’ve done it quicker but I’m old and don’t see that well anymore 😂 We just need to find the source of the gooey stuff. Good luck at the dealer. I hope they figure it out. Take care

@tomtraynor5384

Жыл бұрын

Can that breather hose just be vented to atmosphere and not worry about being so "green" and clean?

@brazosducati

Жыл бұрын

I have vented those hoses in the past. As a matter of fact K&N makes a filter just for that. I’m trying to keep the bike as stock looking as possible as it fetches a bit more $ on trade-in….for another HyperMotard of course 😊 I want to experiment with the same idea only inside the air box. I’m really surprised Ducati hasn’t discovered this fix yet. That is why I wonder if all Hypers have that hose. Or I’m completely wrong and the vent tube is not the culprit. In the parts catalogue it doesn’t show that hose. Maybe it’s only a USA mod.

We own two 2020 Red Hypers, bought new. My stalled out a lot more then hers. ANY stalling is BS! Our bikes tb's and intakes were clean and clear. My evep valve had wet fuel in both sides of the line. I removed the evap valves, properly venting and plugging the evap system. I left the sas systems in place. No more stalling. Run some ethanol treatment often to avoid any funk. I prefer the green Lucas Oil stuff. REMMBER, a dealer or manufacture CAN NOT alter emission components. They can only clean and replace components and hope the problem goes away. We need to fix the problem and make our bikes safe ourselves. SmartMoto Electronics has the bits you need.

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

I have to agree. I’m waiting to see what the dealer identifies as the issue. At some point I want to remove the cat and put a new exhaust system on the bike which will require a tune to smooth everything out. Although you’d expect a new factory spec bike to be fully operable without issue.

@cristiancamberos5

Жыл бұрын

Omg...I been looking at videos, researching, or trying to figure out if I'm doing something wrong. I rode 600cbr, 1000cbr, then really really enjoyed yamaha r6. Been wanting a hypermotard for a couple for years.. finally got a great Deal on a 2020.. 8k. 5600 miles on it..after 1 day I was kinda wondering why (although hesitant) Agreed to 8k. When originally wanted 12k dlls...so I unload went for another ride..and kept stalling and turning off..I was like wtf?.. So I gave it more rev/rpms..and sorta rides better...but I guess since I'm not mechanically inclined. I will take it to dealer and have it diagnosed and I will mention that it's a common problem..thanks for video.

Thanks for highlighting these issues……I had very high expectations from Ducati. I was wrong.

I had slight stalling issues on my ‘21 SP. Once I recognized I took to the dealer and they replaced fuel tank, injectors, fuel pump, cleaned TB, and a few other things. Been about 1000+ miles and haven’t had it since, might be too early to tell

Hi guys! I've owned 3 triumph triples, an old 1050, a 765rs and a 675r (2017). I'm from New Delhi, India, and it gets HOT out here in the summers, and the environment is VERY dusty with pretty poor air quality due to pollution. Throttle bodies getting gummed up is so common here that triumph now recommends a TB cleanup every 2-5k miles or so. I've had these exact same stalling issues happen to me, the idling gets rough etc. Even kawasaki zx10r is the same. The ram air + fuel combo really gunks up the TBs. However, funnily enough, the 675r never had this issue due to the fact that it has upper injectors so the TBs are always shining 😅. We don't have the EVAP cannister you guys have on your bikes but my friends tuono had it, and removal of that cannister solved most of his issues. On my 675r, I was also running a full system and a lovely custom map on the PCV + auto tune rig. I never had a problem TILL the idle stepper motor control started failing, so it wouldn't hold idle and, again, this shit in the video was happening to me. The fix? I moved the throttle stop screw (yay cable analog throttle!) in by 2 turns so it would always keep the butterflies open @ idle position. Problem permanently solved. The ducati is ride by wire and Euro5 also doesn't help. But regular TB cleaning + getting a richer map should do the trick. God alone knows HOW much I had to struggle with the triumph idling issues, but its way more common than you think. Bike manufacturers should just send their bikes for beta testing out here. If it survives the brutal conditions, it'll work just fine everywhere else 😅

I was having all these issues too but I'm pretty much over them now. I got a code scanner that also will reset the TPS and other parameters on the bike I pulled my injectors twice and clean them of course with cleaning out the gooey stuff in the throttle body. And it runs perfect for a little while. It's kind of annoying but it must really suck if you got to take it to the dealer, luckily I don't have to do that.

I also bought my Hyper 950 brand new and have over 3,000 miles on the bike. Have never experienced those issues or any other. I’ve only used 91 non ethanol since new. Could be coincidental?

What kind of fuel do you use? Is it an ethanol blend?

Well good luck with the warranty people. Shadetree Surgeon went through something similar and had to fight to get it fixed.

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

Hey thanks Chase! I'm hopeful a positive resolution will present itself since I've had nothing but good experiences from my dealership. Just frustrated that I have to navigate this.

@ChaseJasperDown

Жыл бұрын

@@ShiftQuick yeah it’s a pain. Hopefully it all works out.

I’ve literally only had mine stall on me like once/twice with same low rpm 2nd gear clutch pull.. I’ve modified mine alot with ecu flash and now evap delete and toucb wood been fine 👍🏻

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

I was hoping to be one of the lucky ones too when initially researching the bike for purchase Although looks like I'm assorted with the other Hypermotard owners who have/are experiencing these problems. That said, your bike is buttoned up for sure - it's a beauty!

I had a new 2013 back then it had the same issues. ???

“Expert mechanics” lol. Ducati had mine for 3 weeks to clean the throttle bodies on my 23 SP. Got it back with damage to the exhaust and battery charging cable. Nothing but a headache. Good luck

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

Man I’m sorry to hear that. Yeah, fingers crossed… clearly I’d rather not be dealing with this. We’re you experiencing the stalling or surging issues?

@shawnlyons116

Жыл бұрын

@@ShiftQuick yup. Exactly the same symptoms as so many other hyper riders. Mine started with 800 miles on the odometer. Make sure you go over it with a fine tooth comb after you get it back. There are a ton of posts on fb with the same complaint and then damage once it’s returned.

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

@@shawnlyons116 Thanks for the heads up. I'll make sure to be diligent.

@handle690

Жыл бұрын

The fact is motorcycle mechanics are worse than car mechanics. Finding a good one is like finding a needle in a hay stack.

Hola riders!!! I have the ​​⁠same stalling issue here with a 2017 in Mexico City after 10K km. Now it has 12K km. carefully cared, only used in the city and dealer services as per manual… it stalled after last service in the dealer location (DLG Moto Art). Expensive Ducati dealer services not working and still proposing Desmo service at 12K km….😢 ). I am assuming it is a software problem, it is not battery, dust, throttle.. since gas is not getting to the engine… gas pump software probably? Stall condition are various (time, weather, season) cold or hot engine it is more common with hot engine tough. Any ideas out there?

if it is any consolation it was doing the same thing on my pikes peak. I took it in for its first service and they claimed it was the slack in the chain. I had mentioned the quick shifter thing and they did not seem to be concerned. Got it back and rode it maybe 2o miles and it seemed to be good to go but 2o miles is not enough. I am in process of buying a22 hyper so I hope it had been resolved by then but it seems to not be the case

Did your friend with the RVE Hypermotard have the same issue or was it just your bike???

I asked my dealer about this. They said there was a quickshifter adjustment under warranty and that's what was causing it probably I.e the quickshifter was stuck between the 2 positions for too long which is telling the ecu to cut the fuel like it does when changing gear.

@tylernethery409

Жыл бұрын

My 23 hyper just started stalling like this today with 1100 miles on it and i dont have a quick shifter. Just wanted to throw that out there

Bought a used 2020 with 1k miles. Had the stalling issue. Cleaning the throttle bodies of weird looking white residue solved the problem. The throttle plates could not close properly, so too much air was getting in when coming off the throttle. An intake manifold leak would cause some of the same issues.

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

How many miles have you put on it since cleaning the throttle bodies and has the problem resurfaced?

@eestinto

Жыл бұрын

@@ShiftQuick Not that many miles, since it is Winter. If it helps, my problem was pretty severe when the bike temperature was below around 160. I could trigger it at will. When the bike was at full temperature, 200+, I pretty much could not trigger it. Maybe with a hot bike the ECU adjusts better to a partially open throttle plate.

So what they put it down to bad fuel?

I bought a brand new Ducati Multistrada V2s and after 1 week it refused to start. I had a 4 year warranty on it. Turned to my Ducati dealer with the problem. There answer to me was and I quote: "What do you want us to do about it?" never again

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

I don't blame you after that experience. I have a feeling I'd be in the same camp as you if I received that response.

Showed here researching my first bike.. after some comments of the white goop being the culprit. I have a high degree of confidence that ethanol based gas is the source of this whire goop. My old square bodies cannot run on ethanol and that white goop forms everywhere when ethanol is used. Also they will routinely stall when coming to a traffic light.. this being new I'm surprised the internals cannot handle it well enough. Possibly since it is euro based and they may not be crazy on corn gas.. Ethanol based is trash and i won't run it in anything I want to last. Could be a cascade effect but I'd start with changing the fuel and see if those other symptoms don't dissappear... after afflicted components are cleaned. Anyway. Should i go for a used 2021 or a new 2023.. are there significant differences worth getting the 23 ?

@briangc1972

7 ай бұрын

You were 100% correct that this is a fuel issue. Too bad that people are blaming Ducati for a local fuel issue. There are no complaints from the European owners having these issues. It is an American fuel problem. I was fortunate in that I figured out which local fuels work in my bikes and I stick to those. Most reviewers love the '23 and claim it is the best so far.

What about a remap or a flash

Dealership has had mine for over a year diagnosing this issue has cleaned throttle bodies and airbox multiple times. Bike now stalls 1 out of 5 cold starts, but still has rough idle until it gets up to temp. Ducati has told them to clean it up and button it the rest of the way up and give it back to me that is just a characteristic of how the bike runs. Very disappointing after all this time to end up with an answer of that's just how it is.

@jimmymitchell7398

Жыл бұрын

Had a little over 3500mi on it when it went in last year. And is a 2020 model 950sp.

In the uk have 2020 sp and never had a stalling problem yet

So the white goop that's building up in the throttle bodies it's supposedly from the gas tank, from what I heard it is the liner of the gas tank being eaten by the ethanol fuel and then it sends it through the fuel system the fuel pump itself is not affected by this but the injectors are I pulled my injectors and clean them I also bought a second-set so I could just swap them out. my dealer says to bring the bike in and they will put a new fuel tank on it hopefully without the same issue this problem was noted back in 2019 when this version of the hyper came out supposedly they were post have fixed it all maybe ducati's throwing old Parts on the 22 and 23 model.

Any updates?

Have you tried the EVAP canister for it dying and maybe some throttle grip spacers. Air pressure balancing of the throttle, maybe an issue too

I have a base model hyper 950. Bought brand new from dealership. Currently have over 3,000 miles on the odometer. Never had any problems with the bike. Only use 91 octane ethanol free. Maybe Duc got the problem corrected on my bike or maybe because of the fuel DK. Hopefully Duc can will get the problem worked out on the affected bikes.

Shame to read the comments below. Ducati needs to take a look at their Customer Service dept. I have a 21 Hyper with 2100 miles on the odometer. Fortunately mine hasn’t had the stalling problem or any others. I only use 91 non ethanol in it since I bought it new from dealership.

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

The bike is currently at the dealership waiting for their assessment. I’m hopeful given the experience I’ve had working with them thus far that everything will be taken care of. It’s just been a little frustrating to deal with these issues on a brand new motorcycle.

Why did you need a lawyer if it is most likely still under warranty? I heard that the lining of the fuel tanks melts and that is how the throttle body gets to have this issue, but it should be covered under warranty

Have you done the first oil change yet?

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, performed that and the first service through the dealership. I believe I have roughly 2,500 miles on the bike now.

I love the Hyper 950 but it’s a shame Ducati has dropped the ball by this magnitude . How can they keep denying this exists ?

@briangc1972

7 ай бұрын

It is a fuel issue. As others have found, the fuel deposits on the TB is not Ducati's fault.

Ive always wanted a Ducati, but every Japanese machine Ive ever owned has been flawless, Honda CB 750F and 900 Custom and Kawasaki ZX10R, plus my home town doesn't even have a Ducati dealership so dealing with those problems would be a little much for me.

Lol welcome to ducati problems. My monster can shut off randomly in any gear when shifting and I get false neutrals. False neutrals seem to be cured with very deliberate shifting and break in. Looking to trade in for a Honda or Yamaha. If I were you I would consider doing something similar if you don't have the cash for a second bike.

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

Well that backs up what I was reading about the false neutrals. I have noticed over time they are fewer and far between - about 2,500 miles in the saddle since last Oct. Initially I was thinking I forgot how to shift a motorcycle. Also I have a Daytona 675R as well and don't want to get rid of the Hyper. Clearly it's a "toxic relationship" kind of thing. Still love the ride, but simply want a resolution.

Marine gas and aviation gas are two options for people wanting to get 100% ethanol free fuel. Everyone acknowledges the TBs are getting gummed up, why blame Ducati for that? None of the Europeans on the forums are complaining of any of these issues. Since the bikes are identical, it is obviously an American fuel problem courtesy of our friends in DC.

The stalling issue does not sound good, should be a safety recall that to get it fixed!

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more. It stalls most frequently when approaching a light, although the engine has died a few times while cruising down the road. Both situations are unsettling.

@HippoDrones

Жыл бұрын

@@ShiftQuick all it takes is for a car behind you to not be paying attention and they'll be rear ending you after a stall like that!

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

@@HippoDrones That’s certainly a valid concern.

I bought a ducati scrambler with same problem, Ducati engines suck.... I traded it in for a HARLEY. Now i got a milwaukee 8 that just sits in the rev limiter with no issues !! Really sad with ducati

@The_gnar_shreddin_slasher

11 ай бұрын

I would "blip throttle, down shift, bike would shut off" very dangerous

When owning a bike you have to be mechanic sometimes. Unfortunately dealers and most workshops like to do the easy and obvious work for the cash. I own used ninja 250 and spend half the amound it costs in repairs with official dealer. If I had my own garage where im currently living would probably trouble shoot it long ago...

I had a 2019 Hypo eventually I became fed up with the false neutrals and traded it for a Multi VS2 and now I have problems with the cruised control turning of...Ducati care factor "0"...good bye Ducati.

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

I’m frustrated to say the least having to deal with these issues on a new bike. I really enjoy how the Hyper rides between its fits of narcolepsy. Sorry to hear about the Multi.

Get rid of charcoal canister STAT.

I had a '19 950sp. Sold it after 2k miles because of the "stalling" problem. I finally convinced the dealer to open up the throttle bodies (at my expense unless they find problem) and low and behold, they were gummed up bad. The stall at 75mph when pulling the clutch in was terrifying. They cleaned the throttle bodies but the problem persisted. So I sold it. Bought a KTM 690 SMCr .... so much happier.

good for man 193 cm or only womans ?

The solution is to us 91 gas with stabilizer each time you fuel, unless it is 91 ethanol free gas

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

Are you saying some gas stations have stabilizer in the fuel mix or that after filling the tank you add stabilizer each time? I've only ever put 93 octane in the tank.

@user-le9vh1jc1k

Жыл бұрын

@@ShiftQuick No, most of the gas will have ethnol in it which is very bad to the engine, you need to dump in some stabilizer yourself after each fill. i personally use seafoam, also avoid 93, try to use 91. if you can find a station sell 91 ethnol free gas, thats best, if not, stay with 91, put in some stabilizer each time when refuel. should solve the problem

@user-le9vh1jc1k

Жыл бұрын

in Canada they have upgraded SHELL 91 Vpower to 93 last year, that cause the bike stalling and not staring, i have exerience this last summer, dealer tear down the bike many times, cleaned all the holes, throttle body, map senser, pump. cant solve the problem. at the end, they suggest to use 91 instead of 93. the bike was running great since then, and fire up right away this season sitting in the garage for over 6 month during winter.

well... not Gonna get the 950 now -.- Seems many of these top end bikes, has alot of issues.

Buy at your own risk. It's just not worth the problems.

Make sure the earth to the frame is touching bare metal and not paint.

its the fuel in the US.

I have no more faith and no support for Ducati. Similar issues and they were absolutely miserable to deal with as bike is under warranty. It’s a complete joke how a customer is treated and you figured you worked hard enough to get a premium product only to find out they don’t stand behind their products or the customer that purchased the product. Wish you luck

@ShiftQuick

Жыл бұрын

I can understand where you're coming from. Haven't had a chance to work with the maintenance department at my dealership other than the initial service, but thus far my experience has been satisfactory. I'm hopeful that will continue. And thanks for wishing the good luck. Fingers crossed everything is handled appropriately.

Ducatis r great to look at but not own...I lov reliability I ride Honda

wow, I won't be buying this bike then.

Keep to the Japanese for a simple easy reliable experience