yep ,a rock portal for me,it could all blend , enjoy yourself with this ,love it

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

3 ай бұрын

Thank you 👍

Nice looking layout. I reckon extending the rock wall a bit past the tunnel portal would be the way to go. You could also consider removing the portal completely and just have natural rock tunnel portal.

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thanks. I never thought of a natural rock portal 👍

I would suggest extending the rock face and replacing the brick portal with a stone portal.

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Great idea. I think the red brick portal was the wrong choice 👍

Hi great work as usual, I would say use the middle size rock cutting. But as they say its you're layout you do want you want lol.

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thanks very much. Yes, I think the longer one wouldn’t look right 👍

Hi. The rock cutting looks great, but short, I'm in the camp of the longer rock cutting without overdoing it. May be similar to the rock face on the righthand side of the tunnel. As for your current back scene, it looks fine to me. The timber back scene should be at the same height as the rest, but use foam board. If the edge of the layout is say 50mm cut a strip of wood 25mm as the same thickness as the foam board. Glue this to the bottom edge of the side of the layout and now a 50mm strip of timber covering up the 25mm edge. You have now created a grove for the foam board to sit in for photography and removable to work the layout.

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thanks. Really appreciate your suggestions. Like the backscene idea, making it removable for accessibility 👍

The other week, when you started putting the rockface next to the double track I was thinking no, that just won't look right. Now it's in place, painted and blended in it looks fantastic, I especially like the strata. As for the tunnel mouth, I thought the small cap looked best, the slightly longer one could have existed but railway companies wouldn't leave a great long thin line of rock.

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thank you very much. 👍

all your modelling looks amazing i would wall both sides like your other tunnel

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thank you ☺️

Every option looks better than what it is now. I would do option #2, and chop the top of the left side of the portal down to match the right side. However, removing the brick portal and making a stone cutting all around might be the best option.

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. A stone cutting - that could work! 👍

@CharlesPruden

4 ай бұрын

@@Grandadstrainroom-pn3ttThis would add some variation to the layout as well.

Looks great. I'd go with something between the medium and longest extension to the rocks. I would have thought that is the most realistic option as it will help link the higher and lower areas.

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thanks. Yeah, I leaning towards that 👍

Hi Andy, I think you also have to consider the history to come up with an answer. If the single line was there first, there is every possibility that a cutting would have existed into the tunnel and therefore a central wall is realistic. When the double line was built later, I guess that the central wall could have been left in place. I'm no civil engineer but seems logical to me. I have a similar set up on Amberlea, with effectively two double-line cuttings and a central wall heading into two portals. Great work by the way. Chris

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Brilliant Chris. Thanks very much for that 👍

I think you'll hate this suggestion (and I think you mentioned it in the last video) but maybe three tracks into the tunnels and two tracks out? I appreciate it would mean hiding a lot of the gorgeous rock face you've modelled, but that would make the perfect inner tunnel wall. Just slap an off cut of foam over the top, paint it green, and look at it for a couple of days to get a feel of how good/bad of an idea it is. 😊

@westycapri

4 ай бұрын

This is what I was going to suggest

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

I know. That has already crossed my mind! (Again!). Thanks, Andy 👍

I would say go for the 3rd option 😊. Would look more realistic ( in my opinion) otherwise layout is looking awesome 🤩

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Brilliant. Thanks very much ☺️

for me I'd extend the cutting a bit more as you mention, but I'd paint the tunnel entrance engineer's brick blue and weather it. The reason it looks odd is that the colours clash. Once you've got your weathering and shrubs in you'll like the effect. Great modelling

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. A colour change for the tunnel portal is definitely needed! 👍

What's missing on the portal is a pillar or use that short-rounded bit of shaped rock. Grass to the tunnel from the current grass area. Have a small working man's hut between the tracks with its own jigger on a piece of track. You can buy a Wickham trolley from Bachmann and park it on the grass-covered track between the main and branch lines. A small group of 4 men could lift the Trolley from the sideline to the network tracks in minutes. Tea breaks could then be had in the shed before going back to work in the tunnel or main line. The static grass is fine but the other stuff you do does just as well. Good work as always keep thinking it through and you will come up with something great.

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Like those ideas, they’re great! Thanks very much, Andy 👍

Great layout and lovely work. I do like the last option but it does cut options down for shots off the 2 main lines. Go with what your gut tells you as look at what you've crested.

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. I’m going to paint the different rocks up and see what they look like in place for a couple of days each! 👍

@wibbleJunction

4 ай бұрын

​@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt good idea and can't wait to see what happens

Hi Grandad, I think the tunnel face needs to be more symmetrical and then add a brick buttress. I don’t think realistically they would have spent the time or had the skill set on hand to shape the rock into anything. Otherwise the layout is looking pretty impressive. I like the fact that you video your mistakes, it shows some of us novices the pitfalls of rushing. Great set of videos. Cheers Paul C

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thanks Paul. Some sound advice, really appreciated. Cheers, Andy 👍

Looking very good Regards tunnel if you could narrow left side I personally think just some foliage would be fine, enjoy your videos, again excellent layout

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thanks, sounds good 👍

Looking good however agree you need to do something with the tunnel portal as a right angle doesn’t look natural. I would develop your last option but make more of a “mound” that fills the space and tapers wide and to flat rather than more rock-face which I doubt would be left. I would also start with some rock but make it scenically more like the slope on the other side the tracks so it looks more like a continuation of the hill. Also start the slope from the tunnel portal about 2/3rds height not the top so it is less of a “cliff.”

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Some great ideas, thank you 👍

put some silicon sealant of a suitable colour in the joint and stick some greenery into it.

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Good idea 👍

Very nice 👍 it's coming along great, I'd go small caping personally

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Fab, thanks very much 👍

Everything looks brilliant!! Really wonderful job! I think the cap looked the best for what it’s worth.

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thanks very much 👍

Thanks for the video. I’d go for a minimalist approach. I’d guess that the tunnel approach would have been dynamited out and would not have left much ‘extension’ on the left hand side. Repaint the portal grey and plant lots of trees on the approach.

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. I do think a colour change is needed 👍

Don't add one of those barrier things - certainly not full height. Ask "what would the railway company have left, after blasting the tunnel?" They could not have left much. Certainly not an unstable rock wall, 20 feet high, 4 feet wide. Beautiful work, by the way - but I hope you knew that already!

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

3 ай бұрын

Thank you

Hi Andy, I agree with parts of previous comments Grey rock portal then trim the left hand edge to match right. Fill the enlarged space with your rock strip and blend in OR Sink modified rock portal onto hillside, then the cut edge of the new strip of rock will be easier to blend in. Quite like the workman's hut Idea. 😊 Brian

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

That’s brilliant Brian. Thanks very much 👍. Definitely the wrong colour! Andy

Looks brilliant. Re the tunnel portal I would say either of the smaller options. The longer one doesn’t look right. But at the end of the day it your railway and you do what you prefer. 👍

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thanks very much. I agree, the longer one does look a bit odd the more I look at it 👍

Change last 6" part of cliff face at lead to tunnel exit to a retaining wall

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

3 ай бұрын

Thank you 👍

i would go with the third option.

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Brill. Thanks very much 👍

Looks fantastic, really coming along. Definitely the correct decision to make it. I agree with others, meeds yo be either darker like blue brick or dark stone. Idea one for me vote, and also agree, lots more trees on upper hill side. Thx for update

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thanks Brian. It does need to be a different colour! 👍. I’ll start painting up some more trees! Take care, Andy

I wonder whether it is the brickwork itself that doesn’t look quite right. Would it be better with a stone built portal? If I’m honest I think it looks fine as it as really. As my granny would have said “a blind man would love to see it “!

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Very good point! I do agree the brickwork probably isn’t right 👍

I think your 3rd option will be the best go the whole hog

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

Ай бұрын

Thank you 👍

The "whole hog" would be too much and put you back to square one. The smaller solutions look too "contrived" perhaps so my head says go somewhere in between. When we build layout we tend to come up with a track plan then adapt scenery around the tracks. The visually clever modellers seem to think as geologists first as if they were building the tracks into nature. Which came first, the geology or the permanent way ? I still havent the skill to do this!

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Haha. I’m the same. Winging it isn’t always the best way! Thanks very much 👍

I'd go for a symmetrical stone portal and a chunky buttress - something like the Gaugemaster GM198?

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thanks. Stone portal is the right option! 👍

The left side of the tunnel doesn’t look right. Building a wall or having a natural wall of stone etc would not look right either. I think what I would do is cover the left corner (top to bottom) with vegetation plus more on the top edge of the tunnel entrance.

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

3 ай бұрын

Hi. Thank you. After looking at lots of images I think that’s what I’m going to do. Lots of hanging vegetation across that area 👍

The portal is definitely wrong, the colour really shows that, the solution…..I have no idea as i don’t model, but it does not look right by me…

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

I agree. Thank you 👍

@grahamparkyn1590

4 ай бұрын

@@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt That said, i do watch every episode you put out, i like them a lot more now that you speak to us, I do also like the fact you are not afraid to redo your mistakes rather than leaver them in situation, looking forward to the next one…many thanks.

io metterei vicino al tunnel il pezzo piu lungo

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Thank you very much ☺️

Its starting to look real nice but the upper hill needs a few more trees. It visually reads as a park and not a heavy wooded forest. And the tunnel portal needs a color change. You should see if you can get them to a darker tan color. The brightness of the red pulls your eyes to that spot. After the color adjustment a combination of the rock pillar and some foliage tree/bush and some kind of hanging vine..

@CharlesPruden

4 ай бұрын

I've been thinking about what was throwing me off about the wooded hillside. Its the missing undergrowth. Bushes, fallen trees/logs. Even bits of abandoned stuff.

@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt

4 ай бұрын

Hello my friend. Thank you, again, for your insight. Sometimes I miss what is obvious - the tunnel portal colour is so wrong!! When I look at the video the hillside does look very sparse - I’ll get painting some more trees up! Already been in the garden and picked up some small twigs to dry out to use. I’ve still not attempted making vines/ creepers!! Cheers, Andy