One added request. If you spin out in the middle of the track, USE YOUR BRAKES! So many time just a rolling car causes chaos!

@lamichael76

Жыл бұрын

Grosjean let her rip i let her rip 😤

@pedrosilvamusician

Жыл бұрын

And if you're rejoining after spinning, might as well just wait and check. SO many people just rejoin the track and then hit each other. "But that way i'll come last" - to which my response is "if you're good, you'll overtake them back. And it's better to finish 10th than to not finish at all". I've had a particular race where started P2, I spun in T2 in the first lap and eventually caught up again and finished second anyway

@OriginalKKB

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Rspecially on ovals when they roll down the banking after putting the car in the wall.

@SebastianWoodard

Жыл бұрын

@@OriginalKKB was in a 150 lap race gen 6 at auto club. 24th lap a caution comes out. Guy got in the left rear of another guy. There was a guy behind me that wasn't slowing down at all so I knew I couldn't or I'd get killed. Also had a run on the high side. Was expecting em to roll up the track but he didn't so I did a last minute evasive manuver and just barely tagged em but that friggin car just clobbered me. He got hit driver's side door and went for a wild ride. I went hard into the wall and took 35 minutes of repairs and was way down on power

@DapperGapper

Жыл бұрын

It’s almost like “my day is going bad so I’m going to ruin everyone else’s”…some drivers sit on track wreaked for 2-3 laps 🤯

This video should be mandatory for all sim racers, great points all valid. The only thing I would add is to be aware of the relative, any decent racer will know when it’s time to let them by, you fight and more often than not you will come out second best knowing the driver behind is much quicker. 👍🇦🇺

I think I'm extra careful and mindful of others because I'm a novice. I started sim racing only a little over a year ago, (being 30 years old, my progress has been slow, but steady, unlike a naturally skilled teenager who can become an alien in a year) so I'm always actively avoiding crashes, dive bombing, and being overly aggressive, my main goal in every race is not spin, not crash into anyone and finish. Whenever I fuck up, and I'm bound to do so from time to time, I always give the position back. I hate the idea I ruined someone's race, even if not on purpose

@pedrosilvamusician

Жыл бұрын

Same. Especially if you're in the lower tiers, you just want to finish without crashing. I remember trying iracing for the first time, bought a month on a burner account and reached class D in 4 races. I wasn't particularly fast, but I wasn't slow either (I believe I average around P6), because of the 4 races I only had one single 4x of a guy who dive bombed on the first lap and pitted me. Nevertheless, I don't try to win the race, because I know I don't have the time, energy or even the objective to be an alien at any racing game. I enjoy racing and I enjoy having close battles, even if it's for P13.

@luizarthurbrito

Жыл бұрын

@@pedrosilvamusician yeah, in ACC I won some CP American server races, but the level is much lower than LFM, where the best I've got was p2, though in split 2. I've got enough pace to follow the pack and I've had so many fun races.

@SupernaturalPowerz

Жыл бұрын

You say that now.. Wait until more races are pure disease to be in and you have to be an infected scrub to survive...

@bertram-raven

Жыл бұрын

'Alien' level is not about age, it is about practice and responding to feedback. As we all age there are physical changes to our body but the ability to learn does not change. The idea we are less able to learn as we get older has been scientifically debunked by many studies. Even at ninety years old our brains have 98% of the cells we had when we were twenty; many more than we had at thirteen years old. The reason for the apparent reduction in the ability to learn is as adults we have more responsibilities which take away the time needed to learn or perfect a particular skill.

I slightly disagree on the waiting after causing a spin. In a lot of cases, my tyres are fried, both of us knows what happened, and they might as well carry on and make the most of their race. So I'm undecided. There are other situations that make sense to wait or give the situation back (smaller, less perilous spins where you can keep on racing rather quickly, give back the position on the next straight).

wish more people button mapped indicators they're so looked over but extremely useful letting people know what side you gonna pick to let them by & its always nice to use them as hazards to say thank you for being let through great advise and video dave

@shortybuzz2892

Жыл бұрын

But they also have to understand how to use them. Some people indicate the side the car behind shall go, which is totally wrong (saying i blink right and stay left to let the car pass on the right...).

When defending, choose how you want to defend a corner before you get there. Reacting to an attacker that is possibly almost right along side you is unpredictable and likely to ruin your race as much as his/hers. You're allowed to choose a defending line, and make one move back to the racing line without getting anyone too aggravated. Be mindful of other drivers. #2: before you start a rant after an incident, check the replay and watch from the other drivers cockpit point of view. Many times the incident will turn out to be not malicious at all or perhaps even your own fault, and how stupid would you feel if you started slagging off at the other driver. Check the replay.

@pieflies

Жыл бұрын

The key in your comment is “be mindful of others”. Too many people are inconsiderate of others around them. And not just in sim racing.

@rarewhiteape

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I always shut my yap until I check the replay. The only thing worse than feeling guilty about a crash is having to accept you were wrong about the cause 😅

@rockybass9764

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Check the replays from all involved or close. I have been amazed watching myself make a bad move. Then review the replays from a few more views to correct my mistake. It is a learning opportunity.

@untrainedprofessionals2374

Жыл бұрын

I add one thing. If you have a triple monitor setup remember most don't.

@exposed5005

Жыл бұрын

The over defending on this game is next level.

The final point about yielding the position if you cause a punt is such an old school sim racing thing from way back in the days of racing with mates in leagues. I’ve done it a few times in iRacing where I caused trouble and said sorry, then waited to let the victim back past me, even if we both lose a ton of spots. Doing so really teaches you consequence, similar to in real life where a similar incident would lead to an avoidable contact penalty and a drive through the pit lane. You don’t see it too often in iRacing though, these days it is all about racing with strangers and worrying about your iRating, and too few people are gentlemanly enough to redress or own up to their mistakes. The common unintentional rear-end tap leads to a dump and run almost every time now, with no apology or lube or even a reach-around.

Good stuff. Thanks for the reminder. I do find it a bit surprising that so many people have no idea about these things. This is a prime example and reason why you are such a good ambassador for the sim racing community. Thanks for the content.

@davecamm

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, really appreciate it 😁

Dave encouraging all the light flashers by telling them it's working on him and making him mad. :D

@Soulfood68

Жыл бұрын

It's a 50/50 chance you will get caught up in the "madness" from Dave if you do that 😂

please dont move off the racing line to let people past in multiclass much better to be predictable, i know hes talking about hot laps but i can see people thinking this is what you should do being lapped

Two of my main tips for newbies: 1) Pick your battles. If there's a lot of time left in the race and the car behind you has quickly caught you from several seconds back, you're only going to cost yourself and the other driver time by fighting tooth and nail, along with increasing the risk of an accident. It only costs a couple of tenths to breathe off the throttle on a corner entry and live to fight another day. And sometimes another driver up ahead won't be as smart and, as a result, will fight the faster driver you let by and cause them both to wreck, giving you freebies. I've literally won races I had no business winning because I'd be running 2nd, let the 3rd place car by, then they get into it with the leader and wipe them both out. 2) Be predictable. This is especially important in multiclass racing, but applies to any kind of racing. Just run your line when faster traffic is coming and when other cars are around you. Trying to dodge out of the way in an unpredictable manner causes more harm than good.

I think I go by the same principles. Maybe 1 thing that I missed is never to judge a incident when you are full of adrenaline. When I’m involved in a incident, a always watch the replay. So you can understand what happened during the race, and if needed you can apologize afterwards to a driver for your mistakes.

Thanks so much for putting a video out like this Dave! Often times I feel fellow racers don't do a fantastic job in remembering other people are also running their own race. A lack of respect has been lost in so many games that it's nice to see a reminder of how we should all behave! Cheers for that.

Give a position back after you punt someone on accident? Absolutely! I do it and it earns a lot of respect from folks.

I've always done all of this. It's sad how few do though. And even worse they don't even feel bad if they punt you off. One additional point of etiquette: Read the stinking blue flag rules. Too many people wrongly think you're required to get out of the way. I've even seen guys with text chat buttons mapped saying "blue flag get out of the way!"

Flashing lights is annoying AF, people doing it just to distract and get passed deserve jail time

This video should be the official introduction for the Sport mode in GT7 ☝️. The lack of racing etiquette and regulations, and the stupid outside camera view is the only reason I had stopped playing it and is 75% of the reason I will be getting a PC and putting some time in iRacing. Thank you for uploading it Dave!!!!

Thanks Dave, one I would add, although maybe not etiquette just advice is, pick your battles. If there is a guy catching you, he is 1.5sec a lap faster (maybe he has had a 1st lap incident and is coming back through) your race is not with him, no point starting a full on defence, let them get on. It will work out better for both parties.

From someone who hasn't sim'd in a year or two, this was actually very helpful - thanks for taking the time to improve the community and mindset!

Good etiquette is crucial for a proper good time racing. Truly a gentleman Dave, we appreciate you!

Thank you Sir! Just started sim racing a few weeks ago and I really respect your sense of fair play and decorum. I hope that this will help some more along their way.

@davidius74

Жыл бұрын

I am the same. Started iRacing just under a month ago after watching Dave and a few other content creators. I know I am slow as I get used to each car and what they can do and how best to use each car on each track as they all require different ways of doing it. Watching Dave's vids for a couple of months before getting into it and seeing the 'right' way to race by using etiquette and knowing that no matter what you do, there are times where you just don't have the pace and best to just let the other person through instead of defending to the death. I think older drivers getting into it who have more real world driving experience are more cautious on the track and the younger drivers thinking they have something to prove (some RL racing drivers like those that get into the GT academy from Gran Turismo) have done it based more on results and final position than how many accidents they have caused. They also haven't driven a real car for as long (if at all) so don't really know how much respect you should give other drivers on the road.

I love that you've posted a video like this as people in the sim community have such high respect for you - so hopefully they will listen to you too! The ONE area I perhaps disagree with is whether you should let someone back in front if you punt them. This is racing. Sometimes in racing you get taken out. No one (usually!) means to take you out but when you invariably get turned round on track you take it as your unlucky day. But on other occasions you'll benefit from little mix ups. It all balances out in the wash. It's kinda like whether you should walk as a batsmen in cricket if you know you've nicked one through to the keeper. Some would say the noble thing to do is to walk. But personally I'd just stay out there and take it as my lucky day, knowing the umpire will give me a dodgy decision in another innings. Again, it all balances out. The ONLY time I would maybe consider letting a guy back is if it ended up a one v one situation in the dying laps and I really, really make a bad error and spin someone. If it's really bad driving, and I'll only lose one spot giving back the place, then I'd consider it. Keep up the great vids mate, your channel is easily one of my fave sim channels on KZread.

@davecamm

Жыл бұрын

As I said, if I've made the mistake which causes someone to spin, I'd wait 👍

Really enjoyed this thank you. Some really good baseline etiquette rules that everyone should take note of👏🏻

One of the important aspects about multiclass racing is being predictable, both for faster cars and slower cars. I see too many people in multiclass jumping and diving all around the track when a faster car comes by, causing unnecessary crashes. slower cars are expected to hold their line, such sudden moves are always dangerous.

@celica825

Жыл бұрын

100% agree, but as someone who is usually in the slower car during multiclass stuff, sometimes its hard to keep to your line if the quicker cars are being unpredictable themselves. Ive had LMP2s do some ridiculous things while trying to make a pass on me and other GT3 cars. It just depends who you're racing with tbh, some LMPs know how to be patient and make smart overtakes, and others think that they own the track and that all slower class cars aren't worth giving respect

@Khosumi

Жыл бұрын

@@celica825 lmps should stop diving gt3s like they don't matter. They should learn to slot in behind the gt3 and wait for corner exit, or go around the outside

@scottmeredith3359

Жыл бұрын

Dude faster cars do this same thing. I've been taken out far more times by an LMP2 car making a last second dive than I've ever taken anyone out staying on the racing line. It's like the LMP2 guys just assume they are the only ones racing and are entitled to make sloppy overtakes that ruin other drivers laps (or races)

@matta2738

Жыл бұрын

It's the faster cars that cause most of the problems. Diving for the inside line at the last second just expecting the slower car to move out of their way

@matta2738

Жыл бұрын

@@Khosumi agreed

Much needed video. I wish every sim racer watched it. I’ve had many flying laps messed up by drivers on out lap

Just respect. Mutual respect is key to good racing and automaticaly includes all told.

That’s the kind of Dave Cam content the world needs!!! Thanks!

Every simracer should watch this video. Good work. Thx

Realising it's a game, a pastime, something we do for fun helps. Keep it in perspective. Yes, there's gamification with safety ratings and other ratings to gain or lose but really will it matter in a weeks time if you do the right thing and lose a few places. You can always get it back. The fanatical obsession with increasing ratings can mean some people take chances that are not appropriate and usually end badly unless every other driver over compensates for them. I'm a slow driver and now when online I err on the side of caution. Let faster drivers through and rejoin when definitely safe, even if that means I come last. When I tried to win at all costs I really didn't enjoy the races as much as it was spinning out or making contact ruining my race and that of others around me. By focusing clean racing and doing the right things I'm enjoying sim racing even more. Then again I'm playing mainly ACC on PS4 and according to Dave it's floaty so it's not my fault when I miss an apex or punt someone ;-)

Completely agree with everything stated. I do add one thing in there with the flashing of the headlights. I also tend not to use them, but if I am coming up on a backmarker, I give them the time to notice I am there. If I go through a corner and either set them up for a pass or get a good run going out of it and they defend, I will flash my lights to remind them not to battle me. My main gripe overall though and something I stick to is holding your line when being lapped by either the same class or faster class. This week for instance is Mid Ohio for IMSA on iRacing. Very small and tight track with no room for people to randomly check up to let someone go by, except on the main straight. Too many slower guys are too cautious and in doing so are causing half the incidents when all they need to do is drive their line and keep their speed. My rule of thumb is always the same, run your line and don't check up at all until the faster car has made their move. This is very simple to do and easy to read, whereas trying to just get out of the way and let everyone go all the time causes unneeded stress and leads to wrecks. Same goes for the faster drivers though, be predictable and don't make crazy sends. When coming up on a slower driver, if you do not have the speed to be alongside them before the point of turn in, don't send it. Just be smart, tuck in, and get a good exit to get by them.

Great video Dave I used to be someone who flashs a lot the lights, but nowadays I usually use with backmarkers (only 1 to warn then) and for people who are leaving the pits just for them be aware of a faster car on track and for not crossing the pit line

Very useful tips, thank you Dave. Besides, you were absolutely right when you told me to try iRacing a few years ago. Last Christmas I started my journey, such a great experience. I might never win a race, but I learn so much about racing, well worth every penny I spent so far (lots of pennies though…..) Anyway, thanks for that too! Take care John

One more you might have added Dave is lapped car etiquette. So often you see cars that are being lapped fighting the car lapping them, all it does is slow both of you down and gets both drivers riled up. It is so simple just to come out of the accelerator on a straight and let the lapping car by, rather than holding it flat and forcing them to overtake at a corner. That will just slow both of you down and increases the chance of contact.

Cool idea for a video Dave and I like the format you used. I think doing videos like these (if you enjoy making them) will definitely branch out your fanbase!

I like the etiquette video after I mentioned it in a comment on your other video, haha. Let's hope it catches on! 😊

It’s why I like acc for the map and Color markers when someone is on a lap. I was using crew chief and race lab but it has been way more fun without overlays and just iracing spotter. Keep up the great work mate👍

Should be mandatory viewing for all. Great job.

Great advice Dave. In 150 hrs of ACC ive had many accidents that werent my fault and 1 apology.

Great stuff! I wasn't sure about the flashing lights in multiclass but that makes perfect sense. I try to abide by the other principles you mentioned.

You're a right on guy. Thank you for putting this together.

Good Video and advice as usual Dave. I just wish most others had such a gentlemanly outlook like yours and the sim racing world would be a better place.

This video will defiantly help me a lot especially when trying to race clean. Also watching this as I just got done with my First GT3 Fixed win! and 3rd win overall on iRacing. Good video as always Dave.

@davecamm

Жыл бұрын

Congrats 😁

Flashing lights is the only reason I do sim racing. Knowing it annoys and puts people off is the whole point of it. Marginal gains to get the best finish position.

I always thought since the load times are so long in iRacing that would be the perfect time to put up racing etiquette tips. nice video Dave

Treat people how you’d like to be treated and you can’t go far wrong. Another great video 👍🏻

Nice one Dave, some good info there. I like the track re entry bit a lot and extending courtesy post punt.

Absolute best video of the year!

Very helpful video, even if I have already done a lot of the mentioned things unconsciously. Should be recommended to everyone who wants to battle in a fair, sportsmanship way online.

Great stuff. Thanks!

Been watching randomly for a while now but I don't do iRacing or ACC and prefer open wheelers mysefl. But this video earned a sub from me because its a valuable, clearly worded general learning resource for all new (and a few experienced) Sim Racers. Good work. Hopefully this will be popular and there will be more.

@davecamm

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Simon 😁

Great video! I can only agree with all your points. Holding the brakes after a crash would be another one as well.

100% - this should be viewed before iRacing lets anyone on the service. :)

Great advice Dave.

great vid, Dave!

Great video, im trying to prepare for when i get my first sim setup

Thanks Dave!

The one and only Gentleman in Racing! Very good Video

Superb video Dave. I know people used to laugh at the racing etiquette video in GTS & GT7. And yep, it would be largely be ignored by people playing the game. But the principles were correct and likewise in your video. I carried them through into GTS league races and iRacing. Sadly, I don’t see these principles observed much in iRacing either. And as for “big streamers” of GTS/GT7, very very rare for them give a place back for example.

I think in general some of these principles are good in life ,showing respect, thank you,sorry,and understanding that mistakes happens to everyone. Like it

This is a good video Dave. More sim racers need to watch this. GT7 drivers need to improve on driver etiquette

I only flash after the race if me and another driver had a good fight towards the end

I've learned some things watching your video's, thanks.

Thanks for this!

Great video. A lot of useful information (also in coments). I would have added another one: Do not cross the white line when you exit from the pits

Hey Dave - what about a quick flash of the headlights to acknowledge something polite from the guy in front... example: your 'give a little wiggle of the car in appreciation'... a brief flash of the lights to kinda say 'you're welcome, good luck' sort of thing? I tend to do that in real life if I am honest...

@davecamm

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's fine 😁

I personally like to use headlight blinking as im commiting to an overtake to give every chance to the guy ahead to notice im there and making a move. Not while im behind but when theyve picked a line and im moving along side.

Thanks Dave, I hope many of those I've raced with watch and absorb your tips too :) I really hate the idea I might have ruined someone elses race, having been there a number of times myself, so always take great care in rejoining and close racing, apologising/thanking where relevant. In the first few laps I won't fight to defend a position if someone behind is clearly faster or very eager too. Why give an opportunity to be punted and ruin both our races. Later stages I might defend a little more, especially if they're flashing me ;)

Hi Dave, thanks for this video. I´m new in sim racing and played only offline because i have to learn and don´t want to make a wreckfest. But in the next weeks i will start online races and it´s good to know how to handle that.

Well said about the light flashing 👍

Thanks Dave...would love to think it will make a difference ;-)

Thanks for this video, I feel that we would all have a much better experience if racers are not anxious and just not keeping an eye on their relatives

Thank you Dave for this Video. It should be presented on iracing's Top Page. It's so annoying to get hitted from the back or taken out and some drivers not even think about apologizing...

I would add to the last tip, that if you gonna wait someone you spun infront, do it away from racing line. I know, that you trying to do good thing but you can ruin someone else race by stopping at the racing line or close to racing line

I 100% agree with your last tip

Thanks for posting! Probably should be reposted every 6 months!

Great tip!

I usually flash my lights when I'm approaching a lapped car just to let him/her know that I'm behind and coming up to overtake soon. That, and if I spin, I'll flash the lights to let everyone behind me that I've spun and looking to get back on track asap

Holding your brakes when you spin should be #1. Especially when you’re perpendicular to the racing line and you roll forward of backward, you’re unpredictable and that causes incidents

Thank you!

A general rule of thumb is: Don't do to others what you don't want others to do to you. That's what I go by when I race

Glad you put this one out. Some people are doing exactly what ya said and others need to learn to do what you said in the vid. Sorry and thank yous go a long way. We were all taught this as kids, come on fellas.

excellent video, as a newbie i cant believe how just outright rude some people are, its just a pixel trophies at the end of the day, you need to remember that there is still a real person on the other side of the screen

One that kills me every time is drivers leaving pit lane right as you're heading into T1 on a flyer. I spend 2 laps prepping my tyres, managing the gap to the car in front and behind, and as soon as you're in the zone to hit the T1 apex, a car pulls out of the pit exit and totally destroys your rhythm. Track map and relative exists for a reason. PLEASE, time your pit exit accordingly in qualifying and practice sessions, PLEASE.

Good stuff Dave......iRacing should take one day and turn off everyone's access..... until they watch this vid. lol

On point Dave! I think there should be mandatory training / testing on this type of thing before being allowed to participate in iracing official events. 😊

You must have read my mind, I don’t have a pc or internet accept my my phone. But I play Forza 7. I race the AI as if they were people as in the future I hope to be online. sometimes I’ll make a move and get turned into and I ask my self if that would have been appropriate in racing online with real people. So this should be very helpful! Thanks Dave!

all well and good mate but at the end of the day it's not the end of the world that some people seem to think it is when someone doesn't manage to control their car in the way that others expect. It's just a game and not worth crying about. You're a great driver and I'm terrible at it, I couldn't complete a race without crashing, braking late/early taking the wrong line or making some other mistake but I bet there's some that say I shouldn't race. I should race because it's fun, I don't take people out deliberately, but I'll probably cause an unnecessary commotion now and again! Good content, good bloke and good night!

2:04 jeremy races in the same league as me, pretty cool that i recognise him

Well said Dave, definitely feel as though I follow the majority of these principles by racing with respect. I don't know why people get into iracing imo a quite serious simulator and carry on like they're in forza horizon

Ha ha i love the fact you've used those blinkers on audi Dave ;) 👊

@davecamm

Жыл бұрын

👊

Great video thank you.

Respect slow drivers. Not everyone is fast.

that case, which you experienced in ACC that somebody was flashing unnecessarily, are punished by lfm when you report that situation. Clause 3.2.j. Flashing the headlights may be used to draw attention to a lapped vehicle. In a fight, the use of the flash is allowed to signal to the other driver that you are faster. Excessive use of the flash is not allowed and can be punished with a warning or penalty. Almost all etiquette rules are regulated in LFM

Missed an important one. Hold the brakes if you spin. Otherwise perfect video and well said as always Dave. Cheers brother 🤙🏁

Great tips for the gentleman driver. I don't remember you covering the subject, but a short video on how to drive as the GTD in a field of LMP's and vice versa would be useful. Most drivers have problems with how to respond when a much faster car is suddenly upon them and others don't know how to respond when they suddenly come up on a slower car. Everyone wants to avoid a collision, however we all could use some tips for these situations if you have any. On another note, I'd love to use the Race Lab software but my computer says it contains some sort of malware. Perhaps it's just me being overly cautious with my computer, but I have trust issues with humans.

@davecamm

Жыл бұрын

Yes I get the warning too. It's ok to use 👍

Now we must find a Way, that all the Millions of Simracer looking this Video ;-) I do all of that, but the last point, depends on how far away he is to come back. If i must stand 20 Sec or so, i dont wait, but if he close, i go slow. Well spoken.

Top man Dave

This video should be compulsory before gaining an I racing account. Some really good tips

I flash my lights as much as I can (especially during a night) and I am not ashamed of it

thank you Charles Xavier for teaching us racing etiquette

@davecamm

7 ай бұрын

Be careful, I can read your mind 👀