Unfortunately, the more I learn about postflop play the slower I am. I don’t have years of experience to think quickly. I am slow at ranging opponents postflop. However, I agree with the time bank shortening, but the site a play on has 90 second disconnect which is 100% being used as a way to cheat as well. Both on the bubble in tournaments and during a hand to use computer assistance.

@andersnielsen6044

Жыл бұрын

Slow thinking = bad poker player. It really is that simple. When the timebanks are so massive, that even average Joe can calculate the best play it is not really poker anylonger.. And really do not matter if it is the player or a computer who does these calculations.

I have thought this for a while but just recently whilst I have been taking some shots at higher stakes I have found myself taking a bit more time ... its a tough one and to be honest I can't come up with anything better right now 😅 been enjoying your streams for a while now was good to see you back for scoop!

Good video. I like the idea of reducing the time bank, but not entirely eliminating it. Maybe 20 second shot clock pre flop, and 1 minute of time bank per level for hard decisions. The 1 minute doesn't roll over so max time bank per level is 1 minute. Maybe have at the final table a bit more? I like that you went looking for solutions rather than blaming/naming etc.

love this . simple solution to the problem and will allow the sites to narrow in on other ways of cheating , we need more top players to speak up! thank u bbz!

tanking is horrible for any action game and even an action table in a tournament

Great analysis from a great mind. I really think this is a very good idea. Dont see so many downsides compare to the positive gained by this method in the poker community: . "Slow thinkers" will still loose against the cheater either way. One thing i am worried about that poker sites maybe not want to make this change is that people are gonna play less tables and it equals less money and less prizepool for a surtain tournament. i cannot believe that the change hasnt already been made or at least reduced a alot, i guess we are a minority of "Mike McDermott´s" vs a world full off "Worm´s". Thanks and Keep up the good work Maestro will join your poker coaching real soon.

what a beautiful idea! really tackles the worm at the core(also in other areas)! solves so much and seems really easy-> hope people in charge at least get to listen to the idea.

really good work BBZ time bank is an issue 60sec to 79sec too long, 15 seconds renews every hand

Do you think time bank cards instead of an actual time bank would be beneficial to reduce cheating? I feel as though there needs to be a way to take longer in tougher spots

@BBZPoker

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah my main intention was to establish the link between the time bank and cheating. Once the connection is firmly established poker sites can innovate around what's best. But unfortunately I know for a fact that there's a disconnect at a lot of major poker sites from the professional poker player community. And as a result this type of information that should be common sense in their position might elude them... Your suggestion makes sense to me though!

I totally agree with minimizing the timebank, a quick, cheap and simple solution for multiple cheats!

I think this is an awesome solution too take the time bank away. Im a low too mid stakes player and even there i see some cheating. Its hard too prove but this would help i believe also.

Just any sort of assistant software should be illegal to use. And yes, no timebank at all. That would let the players PLAY poker and not just calculate poker.

Maybe the best "Poker"-Video I saw.

This option wouldn’t hurt the game any more then we already have 🤔💀🤷‍♂️🙏🚀

I think odin and gto wizzard should add more seconds to their solves . Good job ! 👏💪

Excellent!!

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Very good idea.

Yer good idea m8,maybe they could tinker with it and u only get say 3-10second tb for a tourney etc.👍

Totally agree.

I don't know how RTA cheating is done exactly but I would assume that they use some type of script that feeds info about current hand to solution software (hand, stacks, position, etc) rather than entering data manually into solution software. Am I correct? If that's the case then time bank reduction would do very little...

@BBZPoker

2 жыл бұрын

First, I'm not an expert exactly in what methods are deployed or how to do it but my understanding currently is that anything that would interact with the poker client would be more easily detectable by poker sites. It can happen but the risk of getting caught is the balance is confiscated and it's probably a pain to reopen accounts so I'm not sure how plausible that is. Second, I suspect most people who cheat aren't doing it in the most sophisticated GTO way. They're humans. They're just looking up solutions manually because they know if they do it they'll have an edge. I am sure someone could do what you're suggesting but I don't think that's as widespread (maybe I'm wrong). Especially when you read/listen to/watch the stories about the people behaving unethically one gets the sense that sophistication is in as short a supply as their ethics.

@isaiah5217

2 жыл бұрын

@@BBZPoker re who makes it into public stories of unethical behavior, there's a sort of survivorship bias in which the less sophisticated get caught

Keep fighting BBZ

I agree with you Mr. 🫶🏼

I play cash PLO zoom 4 tbls. And I need that time bank a lot, sometimes I need more than 60seg for one real complected move.

@padraigsweeney7028

2 жыл бұрын

get better. in the future that might be a possibility to gain an edge: act quicker and faster, find heuristics, be smart! would be a great game...instead of everybody trying to recall some solverlines.

@andersnielsen6044

Жыл бұрын

@@padraigsweeney7028 Basically it does NOT matter whether it is a program or it is the player that is able to calculate the move.

Being good in chess myself, this chess analogy doesn't really work 1on1. You could run an engine (a solver, in poker) side-by-side and read out realtime evaluations (best possible action in poker). Would still be easy to crush everyone. Chesssites therefore monitor CPU-usage, but that's not really a 100% fix. In chess, cheating is a huge problem as well, much bigger than in poker to be honest - as every player has easy access to free software that would crush the worlds' best. The fix you propose does work for now, but as pokersoftware gets quicker, better and more easily available, shortening (eliminating) the time-factor wouldn't really work as well as it would right now. But I don't really see any other option either. If you look at high-level online chess tournament (in analogyform; high stakes online), they get monitored with webcams/mics/livefeeds. All the feeds are being recorded and available for analysis by the arbiters. Don't really see that happening in poker tho, but it's a way to stop RTA.

love it BBZ happy memorial day

@BBZPoker

2 жыл бұрын

and to you.

Think it’s worth a shot. I just play $10 tournaments so I doubt there’s too much cheating at lower stakes

I can’t see these solutions working, and if they did it would be very short lived. I’ve watched lots of videos on it following all the recent revelations. RTA software isn’t run on the same system as the poker client. The technological capabilities of OCR these days allows that. From what I understand, the RTA can give solutions within seconds. (I think the examples/footage I saw was on Andreas Frohli’s channel, but not 100% sure.) The only viable solution seems to be the sites having access to you system’s camera but even then would need to be 360’ view. Even then they could only review post play and if decision accuracy is > x%. What would stop a remote camera being hidden in the room which can’t be seen viewing the screen, transmitting to remote RTA software and informing decision to the player via a microscopic earpiece? Technology development seems to make online poker unviable now.

@padraigsweeney7028

2 жыл бұрын

wtf dude. first you propose a fully ridiculous idea and then you go on to exploit its weaknesses...way to go. i believe jordan makes a very good point: it would make cheating on the sacle it is happening now really, really difficult since you would manually have to make an inpit within seconds, act on several tables.

@Gibraltariano

2 жыл бұрын

@@padraigsweeney7028 You can’t read, evidently.

100% time bank will eliminate rta..

Another innovative way to play around with time controls would be to incentivize faster play. For instance, additional rake back based on average time per decision. So that if a player does take extra time, it is costing them potential money.

What about eye tracking software so they know you're not looking at rta running on your laptop or whatever

@padraigsweeney7028

2 жыл бұрын

interesting idea, but fully unsustainable and probably a lot more expansive than just limiting the time bank?

I mean getting rid of the time bank is a horrible idea. Some of us make a living playing 10+ tables

@andersnielsen6044

Жыл бұрын

Then perhaps you should start learning to play poker, and not just make a living based on clicking buttons... ?

People are really cheating? Unibelive, so sad! Why we can't play corectly?

Like gg poker 15min timebank on the FT 😂

wow is that Mark Zuckerberg?

Hate to say this. You are wrong. Poker is a critical game and requires a lot of thinking. I am a "slow" thinker and most players are. Eliminating time banks will just damage everyone's game play. I take average 10 seconds per decision on turn/river to think of sizing. I play and win a lot, I still do this. Average player should not be punished because others cheat. If you reduce time to think, you actually reward the cheaters since they already have an answer within 20-30seconds based on their bullshit solver.

@SamforSam

2 жыл бұрын

Good point, at the end of the day it's about long term enforcement if they are really interested to finish this crap.

@andersnielsen6044

Жыл бұрын

Whether it is you or it is software who happens to have so much time to do your "math", does NOT matter. Both are cheating IMO. Average Joe are not winning in poker, and he should not be able to be, because he has all the time in the world to do his math or make software doing it for him.

What is ghosting in poker?

@NvSSS

2 жыл бұрын

Help from someone in real time

@BBZPoker

2 жыл бұрын

When a stronger player takes over decision-making on account that is not their own. Often deep in tournaments where prize money is significant.

@andersnielsen6044

Жыл бұрын

@@BBZPoker It also happens a LOT in cash games.

Alright Jordan What pisses me off is that there's a small percentage of players who ruins the game for everybody. Just like in life. Wherever you go there's always a few moron. 😐 Obviously, I don't what the right solution is. I don't think there is one.

@padraigsweeney7028

2 жыл бұрын

so what is your solutions? just cry and stay home?

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Time really is not an issue for a sophisticated cheater, for example gtowizard is using URL-parameters for different flops and betting actions. Wouldnt really be a feat of software engineering to code a screen reader that reads the board and just parses a url-string to search on a browser, which instantly opens gtowizard on the right solution. The gto-software could have time delay of its own, but that would make the user experience terrible for a regular and honest customer, which hurts their business, so not really a viable solution either. Example of such url-parameters (BTN open BB defend spot): solutions?gametype=MTTGeneral&depth=30.125&preflop_actions=F-F-F-F-F-R2.1-F-C&history_spot=9&depth_list=30.125&board=AsKsQs&flop_actions=X

@padraigsweeney7028

2 жыл бұрын

time is always an issue. and that screenreader seems pretty futuristic, since sites probably could adapt their display, so whatever you are trying to cheat with has a hard time reading anything of your screen.

@Akusticostacos

2 жыл бұрын

@@padraigsweeney7028 If I as a human can read my screen, why wouldnt a computer be able to do it also? Image recognition really isnt that futuristic, its used everywhere, and it might not even have to be purely image recognition, there is plenty of info coming out of your game client. For example how does StarsCaption or other software recognize your position on the game table etc? You dont even have to have the program running on your own workstation, you could just stream your view to an another PC.

At first I was sceptical about removing the time bank but I am convinced now🤌