Their statement "backing should be a private arrangement" directly contradicts their other statement "in the next two months we will implement a function that allows you to see a player's backers."

I laugh so hard, bc one of GG Poker's biggest affiliate's, Brynn Kenney, literally recruites whales for their high stakes mtts and then uses a stable to gobble up the lion's share of the whale's funds and uses ghosting, collusion, etc. Remember the Frog Poison whistleblower who outed Brynn. GG Poker was paying Brynn $2 million a year to recruit for these games, knowing he had a stable.

@chrisdangelo6047

7 күн бұрын

that was one gg first came out bryn has not been with taht site for a verry long time now

@DougieBarclay

7 күн бұрын

@@chrisdangelo6047 he's back under his real name username but no affiliation. Spoke to him on there in a $250 mtt a few weeks ago.

All I see what your doing BBZ, using logic and facts to argue against GGPokers ludicrous policies. Cant we all just agree not to play on this abomination of a site. This is all the pros fault who decide to play on this shitty site because fish play on it. I would really hope one day poker players unite and we have a site that is good for the players.

@Nobody33566

3 ай бұрын

They play because of the Big tournaments, Software,Rakeback, less Tax on withdraw, no external hud with 1m hands from them. Playing against the fishes or a low skill pool is the principle of the profit on poker. Pokerstars fucked all the pros and the response for them is "more rake is better". Now i agree the pros need to be against some stupid policies but you can't blame them for trying to play in a better environment with more options(maybe not much now)

At 7:23 you talk about "Multi-accounting" and my take on that is slightly different. I read that as using two computers and two accounts to play in the same tournament/cash game at the same time.

Let’s not kid ourselves. Stables are bad for online poker. Higher risk of cheating and other shady behaviour. This is an indisputable fact.

@Jessmaestro69

3 ай бұрын

OK so are people investing and backing other people in any form of business "bad" for said business too then? Investment plans and groups are inherently bad because they "could be shady?" Risk is inherent in business - it's up to the individual(s) if they want to engage in nefarious means to get money. To them, justice be done, of course. Like he said, people cheat, it's no different than other ventures in life. Compared to many things out there, I'd say ghosting in online poker is the least of your worries... By all means though, call these people out. Cheers

@focusaddiction3460

3 ай бұрын

@@Jessmaestro69 The problem is that people are treating poker as a business, as he said, it's bad for the game, but good for business. Almost everything is being ruined by business, even youtube or any other social media, therefore i support GG on this one.

@Jessmaestro69

3 ай бұрын

@@focusaddiction3460 It's not "bad" for the game, you're assuming that, based on some cheaters out there - as mentioned, which is a part of virtually every competitive endeavor out there. For people who sincerely want to earn a living with poker, IT IS a business, idk what to tell you. Your point would have merit if this was just a game designed to have some fun and had no financial incentive, but that's just not the case, is it? "Almost everything is being ruined by business" Uhhh, no, business is how the economy worldwide functions... Cheating, nefarious PEOPLE who USE business UNETHICALLY is what you're thinking of... Consider what you're saying and try to realize that your gripe is with "evil" or wrongdoing, not with particular groups or companies, or in this case stables, imo. I actually agree with you about KZread in this instance, but again it's an ethical issue, not a functional one. YouDonkey blatantly censors unwanted opinions now, based on who owns them, and based on advertisers (big phar ma needles for example...). You could argue that "business" is to blame, but it's really just that KZread has corrupt, compromised owners, and they caved and catered to it. The good news is that new sites emerge when this sort of stuff happens, where the other businesses may CHOOSE to BE ETHICAL, unlike YouDonkey. GG can do what they want, nothing against that, but again, as an example, it seems quite over the top when you can simply just phone call buddies to collude, which involves no "stables" whatsoever. Meanwhile stables are just an investment company of sorts, but they get the bad rep from folks like you because they are public and you can point a finger at them, instead of the real cheaters who wouldn't be foolish enough to cheat in a public, "stable" environment, and so they just do it in secret... Like 90% of all nefarious behavior is... Think about it... Cheers

@Rechnerstrom

3 ай бұрын

@@Jessmaestro69 I'd say ghosting isn't done by people investing in businesses. Cartels which would be the equivalent of teamplay/softplay/collusion/hand history sharing are illegal in business practices. Ghosting is the same as cheating by real-time assistance. I think it is excellent if those practices are stopped. Of course it would be better if there existed an independent no profit organization like in sports that enforces fair play. Unfortunately such an organzization does not exist for poker. It really would help if poker was established as a sport. Chess for instance does this and it's much better regulated than poker. That doesn't stop chess trainers from making money.

@Jessmaestro69

3 ай бұрын

@@Rechnerstrom I think it's excellent for people to stop that too, same as cheating in any other area of life, but the whole point is: How is banning supposed stable groups really going to change anything here? People can still collude, which is essentially the same accusation that's being thrown at stablers/backers in the first place. The idea here is that cheating is something that already happens regardless of whether official stables exist or not. So all you're doing is punishing everyone, most of all the law abiding ones. And for what? Investing is a thing in life, poker is no exception. Some people will try to cheat where they can, whether or not they are being elaborately funded or if it's just from their own (collective) money. By all means, regulate when sensible and applicable, but this just won't accomplish anything regarding security, imo. It could even make it worse, because now all that's left will be the peer to peer cheaters, colluding in secret... in an inflated fish pool... I guess time will tell. And yes, cheating, scamming, cartels are indeed illegal/unlawful, but it is still "business" or I suppose "corrupted, unethical business." Pick whichever words/phrases you like. Cheers

Completely agree with your stance on this. I don't think any of the larger stables are engaging in the cheating behaviours which were listed and whilst I agree that these behaviours exist, it looks like GG are unfortunately trying to implement a one size fits all solution to work against them. I think the biggest issue you'll face is when GG do their yearly KYC checks on your players to prove source of funds.

@okaythankyoubyeee2501

3 ай бұрын

'Any of the larger English speaking stables are engaging in the cheating behaviors which are listed' There, fixed it

@BBZPoker

3 ай бұрын

That is a very good forward thinking observation. Thank you!

The real problem is that the online tables are increasingly filled with "player mafias", all coordinated to run a business at the expense of players who do not belong or do not want to play coordinated as a team, independent players who study poker and others who only play recreationally, are not being scammed by online poker tables, but by groups who, beyond being poker apprentices, are coordinating playing poker against the rest of independent players. Online poker tables should even apply controls to eliminate or limit the use of tools such as Solvers, RTA, Bots, and player collusion.

As a rec, im personally happy that BBZ's pro's will no longer be playing on GGpoker :)

I agree about the bumhunting is not cheating and the weakest part of my game has always been that I'm OVERLY competitive to want to play in tougher games rather than just for profit to my detriment. It does become cheating when a new player sits down and the entire empty table fills immediately or a reg joins and everyone sits out of a game that was running because they're using third party software and colluding info to know when these guys are sitting down and how bad they are etc. That's where I'd draw the line for bumhunting - when it brings in these other elements

been warning years ago about ggpoker attitude.... ggpoker should be avoided

@brickingbad9099

3 ай бұрын

ggpoker is cancer of poker

@GavBA1972

3 ай бұрын

GG poker let me Down 😡

Bumhunting has never been cheating, it's a pejorative term for table selection. No professional poker player could exist without table selection except maybe if you name is Ivey, any table he sits at he would be the best!!! Any winning player is "bumhunting" by playing against other players with lower skills. GG wants to eliminate consistent winning players from their pool. What I think is the ultimate goal of GG is to make poker a casino game where everyone eventually loses a little bit through rake.

Poker was the most enjoyable when we all had to work the game out for ourselves but sadly stables and 3 rd party software groups have killed the game.

@DustinDoesPoker

3 ай бұрын

What have stables and 3rd party software done to kill the game?

@andersnielsen6044

3 ай бұрын

@@DustinDoesPoker This has to be the most provocative and ignorant rhetoric question ever..

@jorejaha

3 ай бұрын

@@andersnielsen6044 tell me you cant answer the question without telling me you cant answer the question.

@DustinDoesPoker

3 ай бұрын

@@andersnielsen6044 The game is alive and well. I'm very curious what those things have done to "kill" the game.

@paul1548

3 ай бұрын

@@DustinDoesPoker Surely you can figure that one out for yourself...

The best one is them not wanting people to share HHs… meanwhile their FTs are streamed all cards face up 🤦‍♀️😂

Look , im an individual player and i play for my own and with my own money . Tbh i dont see anything that is bad for the game in that statement . I didnt even know that there exist these stabling "teams" and if they bann this shit from their site im gonna welcome it , instead of dealing with these group that could probably cheat on me or collide against me , who knows . I think to bann this shit is only good for the game and only those gonna cry , who make profit from.that scummy shit

all the Brazilian high rollers about to be banned lmao

@Nobody33566

3 ай бұрын

some of the best Brazilian high rollers play in the same pool for share profits, they don't need to cheat and you need to proof that otherwise.some of them are doing a challenge on reglife playing with 1k bankroll to 10k in streams on youtube. Their knowledge of the game is legit and above the average. All the country have cheater scandal. using your logic lets call every american a cheater cuz Bryn kenney have Harem with ghost players and colusion

Thanks for paying attention to this topic, bro. Glad you understood that if you dont support us (ru-community) this time, they will come after you as well, later!

Reason why GG wants backing of players to be in the client only is to bring more transparency to the system. Is player X being staked by player Y in Z tournament? Are there more players that player Y is staking that are potentially playing in Z tournament? etc etc I don't see a world where more transparency leads to worse outcomes

There's some huge stables in Asia that aren't as honorable as you guys. Plus, this gives GG the ability to seize funds from really any player. That's a win-win for them, I guess.

I one player is going to make or break a site so it will be there way or no way so glad your speaking up 🎉

Maybe PokerStars should take a stand on stables too, I’ve seen plenty of “Standard Backing” logos on players over the years.

thanks for sharing your opinion!

I would assume teamplay is a group of players weighing in on one entrys play, collusion is needing multiple accounts on same table.

@bipolarpunt5721

3 ай бұрын

Colluision is easy, you see your teammate on your table and you text back and forth your hold cards. If theres 3 stable mates, even better.

Agree on every point

We all know gg is a joke, like we just play there because of the big tournaments, but let’s be honest, we wouldn’t care if it didn’t exist

Appreciate the post, well said. Bovada eliminates many of these issues by simply removing usernames and utilizing a random numerical username instead, which changes every time you enter or re-enter an MTT or cash game. Gg could easily solve "bum hunting" and data mining by switching to bovada's screen name methodology. It could also help a bit with soft playing by making it more labor intensive for players to realize who they are playing against...although it wouldn't completely eliminate soft playing but would be a move in the right direction.

@brickingbad9099

3 ай бұрын

Bovada has a lot of issues because of that.

@teeraw4575

3 ай бұрын

Enjoy the botfest there

@Sonic-wb7ik

3 ай бұрын

@teeraw4575 I don't dispute the fact that bots exist on bovada...regardless, it's the softest site online. But not without its downsides, that's for sure. I'm not arguing that bovada is a perfect site, but GG could implement aspects of bovada's system that would help solve some of the issues they highlighted in the bulletin.

It does not mention anything about Real time assistant or bots. What do GGpoker against stopping rta and bots?

Pretty soon it will probably be like it used to be with blackjack, where if you have a skill-edge, they will take you to a backroom and break your knee caps. Only they'll do it digitally, as in freezing withdrawals or banning you from playing the games you're beating the most. This is how sportsbooks have been operating for years already. Why should it be any different for poker players?

I’m good playing mid stakes too much shady stuff at higher stakes and all this stable stuff is bs if your all playing the same games

@Shanethe420lb_Rat

3 ай бұрын

its at all levels ...even at microstakes these stables

Surely the BBZ guy is smart enough to know they don't want predators ruining the recs fun. The site is geared towards recs. Don't like it , tough shit Go play elsewhere Stables are a poison on poker. Nothing good comes from them at all

"Backing should be a private arrangement, so we're making the information public." Did anybody at GG read this statement before they put it out?

@avoidmyrage2596

3 ай бұрын

Lost in Russian translation. Just means non commercially.

Played 6 months on GG last year, had more software crashes in one session than in my previous 15 years online career before. Also had a superuser exposed in december I believe, which means they had/still have tons of them that aren't stupid enough to get caught. So yeah no thank you gg.

If someone is not able to run a business under such conditions, it means that he or she is simply not suitable for it. Take a credit, change the work, explore your option lads

Stables are open to a lot of abuse, and I can understand the caution. There's a big incentive for the stable owner to cheat in this way, and there's not much incentive for horses to push back against it. But when you're a benevolent stable and you're getting lumped in to the cheaters category that has to feel like a massive slap to the face. The only, only, only argument I have against them is information pooling that will inevitably happen with at least one person, but no more than a coach, and I'm not sure really anything away from table should be considered cheating. I think the fear is stables are always one step away from cheating at any point. I'm just not sure how that's punishable.

isn't multiaccounting when you use multiple accounts to play in the same tournament? I remember Ali Imsirovic admited to something like that.

Buying data is one thing, extrapolating strategies from this and teaching others how to play it is much easier for stables. Most cheating is easier for stables, you can't ignore that. This is not a dictatorship, it's a company that runs their business to maximize profits. They don't owe us anything. They may end up like PokerStars, but that's their own choice.

A stable is a team sharing information and capital resources against people who don't have a team, and therefore creating an unfair advantage. As a team they are certainly more likely to cheat. Maybe yours doesn't, but the likelihood of every form of cheating, including soft-play and ghosting is certainly prevalent among stables. In no world is any of this beneficial to a site like GG. You siphon money off the fish and rec players and that's not good for the player pool.

12:48 very well said, in their face.

Pro Tip Multi accounting is when someone is using multiple accounts in the same tournament. Also what you said, but like you said no one really cares about that. However my example, like what Justin Bonamo and others used to do is extreme cheating

@BBZPoker

3 ай бұрын

Ahh yeah that would be extreme cheating. Feels like that's easier to prevent on the poker providers end (lots of poker players on the same IP address or with the same last name or however its structured) but maybe I'm underestimating it. Interesting though how I run a stable and I'm being educated by the community about some of the different ways people cheat...

@hustlinmagic

3 ай бұрын

@@BBZPoker Underestimating might be an understatement. I think a lot of poker pro's are quite naïve when it comes to poker room security and how bad it can actually be. It's like the whole AI thing. You have a lot of pro's saying its no big deal, but when you look into the tech side of things you realise its actually a massive problem.

Multi Accounting prevents Bumhunting. A high stakes women player had lost millions online and she allowed Jungleman to play her account and stack the others. I find this humorous.

I do bum-hunting in cash games. Never looked at it as cheating, and I don't think it is cheating. It's table selection. I don't want to sit down and play lots of boring regs, I'll try to find another table. I want to play with the drunk fish that wants to gamble. It's how it is. I'm not staked, and have never been fully. (have sold %'s but rarely). I don't think bum hunting and stables does that more than the individual player. I think we all, atleast where you can choose your own table (not Zoom). Watch to see if it's worse players there. to make easier money. I don't see how that violates any law. It's natural to want easier battles.

Did a GG poker apprentice post that statement? It’s all worded so wrong and makes no sense for the most part 😂

Bumhunting, or table/game selection is allowed in live poker.

poker is a team game in 2024

Statement says "in the next two months we will implement a function that allows you to see players backers" and the very next paragraph it says " Backing should be a private arrangement and not a marketing tool" 😂 are you serious?

I feel like you didnt adress their main reason for doing this; They care about people that "net-deposit" and try do as much as they can to protect that group. I feel like bumhunting would "attack" their favorite players. It sounds like BS, but I think its easy to understand their "why".

Poker is (zero-sum game), CEO want (lose-lose game), if someone happy about this, I have questions about people's IQ

Rip 'em Lotto, rip 'em.

Good for the game

Typical company setting themselves up to control everything.

A mizery! I stopped to play on gg!!!

BS, you could have everyplayer in your staking group play two accounts for a big tournament. When they get on the same tables, they crush the opposition.

@Trephining

3 ай бұрын

Tournament starts, ten of your stable's accounts are at the same table, and those ten accounts are from three of your stable's players. Have to cut off some of your own fingers before you get to face any opposition. Yes, that's a bit of an extreme example, but made to illustrate the point.

you wont be missed on GG dont worry

Every players should play with own money and we will see the real winners… stable share profits and they kill game, they didn’t accept to lose

meanwhile Fedor and Matthias launching poker house number 4, loool

So weird that theyre discouraging public staking outside of gg client. As a rec, I already dont like how i dont know if people are backed by other players on the table. I think backing should either be banned or as public as possible. Private backing is easily worse than public backing.

@phrog6073

3 ай бұрын

i dont get how backing is bad at all? its just not the players money, what does it matter whos money it is

@kiknazz

3 ай бұрын

@@phrog6073 if I'm at the table with someone who I get 50% of returns off their profits, I'm less incentivized to call off in a spot where I may otherwise should I knock this person out. Alternatively you might make a worse call if you know it can be beneficial to the other player. Just simple negative incentive structures. It's the cheating/softplay itself that's bad, but the financial backing incentivizes the soft play. The disclosure at least I will know that player x and player y have the financial agreement and I can decide whether I want to play with that. Same idea as politicians disclosing donations from lobbyists. It may not necessarily influence how they vote, but its something I do take into consideration when choosing who to vote for, and looking at a politicians record to see "were they voting for this because of the financial incentives provided by someone they have a deal with" or "were they voting for this for the pop they represent". It's a world of incentives, and I'd rather know what my opponents incentives are.

@Explosivo55

3 ай бұрын

@@phrog6073 to be honest if a proposed good player doesn't have the money himself to play and needs backing to fund his play then he/she must be an overall bad player. Even if you argue they play for not risking their own capital, if you're a good player, you'd play with your own capital to maximise profits

@phrog6073

3 ай бұрын

@@Explosivo55 bro what are you even saying.. imagine if ur a poker player pro trying to get to high stakes would you rather 1.climb painfully from online to live and then slowly going to high stakes OR 2. join a stable and achieve it much faster and w ppl helping u the whole time

@Explosivo55

3 ай бұрын

@@phrog6073 do it myself, the sense of achievement is greater

Mate someone should provide you the translated video call, with ceo of pokerok and stables/players... if your reacton on that statement is "fuck off", i wonder what would you reply on the stuff he said there=))) like - , and i quote, - "Poker should be as the casino with rtp of 96% and poker should become a game that no one can get profit of on a big distance, so the poker reg profession is something that will not exist soon...", and there was a lot like that... you probably can get it, even knowing the ceo told the guys to delete the video, there were some guys who saved it

The solution is obviously you guys need to talk to GGPoker how you can make your business model compliant to game integrity demands. In other sports clubs (which can count as stables) are supervised externally to enforce sports integrity. Can't this be a model for poker stables too?

their statement is terribly worded

If the players in a "stable" know which other players are in that stable, it's making it a team sport, even marginally. No way to eliminate that fully, but it's shitty for rec players who play for fun. Anything that gives an advantage to one or more players compared to a random individual player in the same tournament, is shitty. In a game of incomplete information, sharing partial information with a sub-set of the whole player pool is cheating.

@Trephining

3 ай бұрын

True. And there is no way to 100% eliminate it.

Bryn Kenney left the chat

4:44 does anyone seriously not regard ghosting as cheating?

Rake WAY WAY too high!

Bro, the fifth word of the announcement is "that", which is a restrictive pronoun. You read as if it is "which", which is non-restrictive.

What GGpoker is doing is just very lazy imo. Doesn't really solve anything.

These stables collect millions of hand histories and effectively collectively analyze them together to strategize against their respective player pool. I frankly hope this aspect of your business goes out of business. Mass data collection and analysis by players. I don't know any stable that doesn't require 100k hands to apply and we are just supposed to believe you guys aren't using that data to improve your game? Yeah, I don't think so buddy.

You defense against data analysis is bad guys can get the hands other ways. Well they will have one less way to cheat in this manor.

teamplay would be when you have say 10 horses or 10 players from your stable in the same tourny chp dumping or avoiding eachother in satties etc

@BBZPoker

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for that!! It's funny how someone running a huge stable has no idea that that's a thing...

Let's not kid each other, individuals can cheat, but Stables are more likely than individuals to soft play, ghosting, teamplay, collecting statistics, notes, mining etc. You wanna make money with poker? play it alone and don't build fucking businesses around it. You are making profit with your staple, you make money off people you stake. ofc there is a risk staking, but in the long run you make money, it's not about helping other people. As soon as gg poker makes his stance, you guys all come up trying to convince people ggpoker is evil and wrong. Personally and individually, all the staples could burn to the ground, thats only good for all the other individual players (both winning and losing). So fuck the staples, they are not any good for the poker industry, you are just sucking money out of other players, like the rake. also the title should be corrected: "GGPoker Dictatorship is Ruining (my stable business) for PROFIT $$$"

@b3k0n

3 ай бұрын

why 2 horses from one stable would ever want to softplay? as explained in this video, usually ppl get 50/50 split with backer and they dont give a fck about other horses. its not like they have share of stable winnings. If u have aces on bubble and other horse has kk, why would u checkdown it or w/e instead of knocking other guy out to make more money for yourself?

@lucaapoc6906

3 ай бұрын

@@b3k0n soft play is just one thing. Btw as an individual poker player, why on earth would you defend stables? like they bring anything good to the poker industry. Cmon with this bullshit. It is just businesses making money, nothing that has to do with the game of poker

@b3k0n

3 ай бұрын

@@lucaapoc6906 why individual player would defend stables? just because as an individual player I can join them if they exist. And why anyone would do that? there are few most common reasons - bankroll problem, risk aversion, being in community with other players etc. I see your points and agree with many of them, but its just one point of view. Stables are not good for individual player mostly because they bring more regular players to the game, so it makes games harder. But on other hand it helps with liquidity of the market, makes guarantees bigger etc. If u think that everything that makes games harder is bad for the game, then I can see next step: lets ban all poker books, poker schools, pokerstreams (except fishes streaming), pokercontent on youtube, lets fight with existence of solvers, equity calculators (and even oldschool calculators). Lets not teach math and logic in schools - it will all make game of poker much softer. IMO stables aren't big problem for poker, cheating is HUGE problem - but linkink this two things is not fair for stables. Lets fight with with all this bullshit like ghosting, softplaying, cardsharing, rtas and other things that ruin the game. But getting rid of stables wont solve a single one of these problems.

@lucaapoc6906

3 ай бұрын

@@b3k0n See, that's where you are wrong. Most of the content on the internet you are talking about is free, open to the public for anyone. Poker stables and schools aren't, there is people making money off of people. Stables are incentivized on making the horses win the most, so ghosting is super value for them. I am not saying all stables will do it but the important point is: this practices (ghosting, soft play etc.) are the most likely to happen in those places. It is the contrary for individual regulars which are the most unlikely of doing such practices. You can't argue this fact. And if you are looking for poker buddies you can still have them outside stables. All the individual players (loosing recs or winning regulars) will only benefit from stables not existing. Poker is just more fair without stables. That's a fact. If you want to talk about the fact that ggpoker will abuse this and ban also other kind of players, i totally agree and have some concerns.

Online Poker ist Big RIGGED

Ghosting in new normal, especially in morning session, if you see russian playing on FT in morning time in CET time, London Time, if he belongs the stable, he is ghosted player by coach on this stable. So I asume this same shit on brazzilians stable farm is this same shiiit is going

The idea that if a player gets lucky and makes the final table then a better player takes over sounds good to me.

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Can we start an action vs GGPoker as Community? I had knew that the GG works against Regular Players. Now we saw what makes PokerOK. And after my yesterday scam Session i am sure GG f… us up

"ScummerOK"

A guy with 2,5mil earnings on GG isnt bumhunting when playing micro stakes tournaments? :P just saying cause i was against him on FT... so why they even have that pointed there?

@Wutever

3 ай бұрын

or he accumulated a bunch of cashes when degenning lost it all and literally cant afford to play anything more. if you see someone with 7 figure earnings in a sub $5 tourney that should be a instant giveaway they probably suck.

@Nobody33566

3 ай бұрын

Earning on GG doens't mean nothing. sometimes don't represent even 5% of real profit

@Wutever

3 ай бұрын

@@Nobody33566 yeah all the earnings are on the site is a not even accurate representation of accumulated cashes

ghosting - so that's when an average player makes a final table and then sends his information too a better player, too finish off the tourney! surely poker sites have the ability too detech that and stop that immediately!

No big loss here, stables are unnecessary. I like their decision, even if it sucks for you specifically. The issue that GG has figured out, and that you are apparently unable to comprehend or acknowledge, is that this is *not* about cheating. It's about predatory behaviour that, up to a point, GG has proceeded to stamp out on their platform. Bumhunting is not cheating, but it is predatory to an unacceptable degree. Therefore, GG doesn't want it. They have now made the decision that large stables pooling their knowledge, information and money is too predatory in the MTT world. Whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant, this is a reasonable stance that they are following through with. Also, you are disingenuous when you say that backing in the way you do it is not a marketing tool to attract more players. You know that by showing the success of your horses, you encourage others to join the same path. GGPoker will become a much better places for people not in stables once you are gone, so when you say YOU don't care.. imagine how little we care you're gonna pull your money.

@nhynyx

3 ай бұрын

Hate to break the news to you bud but poker by nature is predatory. It's a zero sum game.

@avoidmyrage2596

3 ай бұрын

@@nhynyx Totally, but it's not black and white. Sites will always try to limit the extend to which new players and recs can be exploited, because if they never win, they won't return. Stables haven't made the cut for GG. Sucks for them.

@kingsally2864

3 ай бұрын

@@nhynyx sites trying to protect recreational players isnt a new concept, its been going on for decades.

@danielsviksna9348

3 ай бұрын

The issue that you are apparently unable to comprehend or acknowledge is that it is NOT about stables. It’s about winning players who pull money out of their ecosystem. For those who are unaware, GG also just changed ShortDeck game format, making it basically a rake trap. Seems like they are not interested in running a poker site anymore, instead they want to run a casino. As we know casino can’t have winning players in it!

@avoidmyrage2596

3 ай бұрын

@@danielsviksna9348 GG Poker was never good for cashgames and they never intended to be. People who were there since the start know they started completely without cashgames, only with a medium stakes+ tournament schedule. Cash was added later and was always an afterthought.

gg cheating his own clients just ask every german pp, or look back at this kenny story.

GG uninstalled!

lol at acting like you’re about to drop a hot take that’s going to “offend snowflakes” when you’re literally just describing poker

Fixed place close the account down

As a rec player, I agree with GG Poker. Sure, take your funding elsewhere. I play for fun.

A player who doesn't use their own capital to win can't be an overall good player, Making backers the fools.... simple as

@madwithoutit

3 ай бұрын

Do you know guys like girafganger who won the GG 5k main is backed and has been backed for many years lol along with many other top pros your argument is silly

@Explosivo55

3 ай бұрын

@@madwithoutit if he's that good he'd stake it himself and take 100% profit... overall he knows he's losing and makes the best of 50% where he can

I'm hearing a pretty guilty tone of voice Sir....just saying

@whateverman9893

3 ай бұрын

I played for bbz for a few weeks and never seen anything shady going on.

ALL online poker is 10000% a scam.

@Nobody33566

3 ай бұрын

fish detect

@luismatosoliveira4117

2 ай бұрын

@@Nobody33566 Online poker DONK detected

You are talking way way to fast. Hard to take you serious. Either slow down or have someone else do these videos.

@willemreker5770

3 ай бұрын

You can change the speed in settings. With his hourly rate in coaching, I would take fast for a statement as well :D

Bro can you slow down when you talk.🫤

@BBZPoker

3 ай бұрын

I do speak too fast but I was also choked...