We covered this change as part of our Media Studies lessons at school back in 1989 - it was a big concern at the time.

The 1990 Broadcasting Act was UNNECESSARY UNWANTED AND NEVER NEEDED

We've never recovered from the loss of Thames. Carlton was total shit! They were right about lower standards FFS

@robertcomer2767

6 жыл бұрын

Amazing how George Russell and all those at the ITC never admitted the mess they made in taking Thames off the air.

@chriswathen9612

2 жыл бұрын

In the final analysis though, Granada as the surviving lynchpin of ITV ended up doing things far worse than Carlton did. And in the final endgame merger, it was their vision of ITV which went forward.

This is priceless - thanks for uploading.

Roy hattersley was, for a change, absolutely spot on here. The Broadcasting bill and by extension multichannel tv has basically resulted in the same programmes that would have been shown on the 4 terrestrial channels spread over dozens of channels (now freeview) and an absolute avalanche of repeats! I guess the repeats side of things at first was a good thing; a way for startup satellite and cable channels to bulk out their schedule without very much effort. But now in the era of on demand services, these satellite channels that show almost nothing but the same repeats and have lost any purpose they once had. I don't want broadcast media to completely vanish (outside of live sports and news which will pretty much always be shown), but I do think the multichannel service setup needs to be reeled in as long as said broadcasters provide an on demand accompaniment to their traditional channels. By having so many channels with many becoming increasingly redundant, they're just wasting money and that ultimately affects quality.

@johnking5174

4 жыл бұрын

I preferred in 1990 when we had more news on BBC One, BBC Two, ITV and Channel 4 than the rolling new channel era we have now. BBC News on BBC One was so much more in 1990 than now. ITV News in 1990 was way better and on air much more. Also, do you remember a time when Channel 4 offered a proper breakfast service with morning news?

@whatamalike

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnking5174 Channel 4 Daily? I don't remember it personally as it was a few years before my time (besides, our house was firmly a tv-am and gmtv household, with even big breakfast barely getting a look in!). The theme tune is gorgeous though, so late 80s it's unreal.

@pak8606

Жыл бұрын

@@johnking5174 If LWT lost their licence in 1992 would their last day on air have been Sunday 27 December 1992? The companies who lost their licences all handed over at midnight on Thursday 31 December 1992/Friday 1 January 1993 to their successors. How would LWT have done it as they were a weekend only company?

@johnking5174

Жыл бұрын

@@pak8606 Yes, they would have ended at 11.59pm and 59 seconds on Sunday 27th December 1992, but their new weekend franchise, the new company would not have commenced their new franchise period until 5.15pm on Friday 1st January 1993 as 5.15pm is the starting time for the weekend ITV franchise in London. So their rival of LWT for the franchise was called London Independent Broadcasting, so LWT would have ended and LIB Television would have taken over at 5.15pm on Friday 1st January 1993. Weird isn't it?

@pak8606

Жыл бұрын

@@johnking5174 It is weird. Thames took over after TV-AM on Mondays, who would have been on air between 00:00:00 and 05:59:59 on Monday 28 December 1992 in London? Had they lost in 1981 I assume their final closedown would have been Sunday 27 December 1981 and the new company would have taken over at 5.15pm on Friday 1 January 1982. I think the only company bidding against Thames and LWT was a 7-day service called London Independent.

Beginning of the end for regional ITV and TV as a whole as we knew it. Dark day.

@Garylpool1

Жыл бұрын

But that was always ITV's weakness, it was too fractured and should have been 1 provider. The BBC does this and provide local news and programmes

You put Richard Dunn on. So he was the head of ITV, as well as being chair of thames television then.

Silvio Berlusconi in charge of coronation street why not

So, whatever happened to this Channel 3 lark? They were still talking about it after the 1991 franchise auction, yet the ITV name was retained come 1993. I understand that Yorkshire and Tyne Tees traded as Channel 3 for a while, but ITV itself never adopted the brand. Anyone able to shed light on that?

@johnking5174

5 жыл бұрын

The branding was never adopted, except when Bruce Gyngell took over Yorkshire and Tyne Tees for a few years, he was heading into pure madness by 1993. The licence is however still named "Channel 3" it is just ITV plc now own all of the licences of the Channel 3 network except for STV.

@julianhanc8272

3 жыл бұрын

And UTV

@Blubatt

3 жыл бұрын

@@julianhanc8272 ITV own UTV, have done since 2015.

@julianhanc8272

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@applemask

Жыл бұрын

The official name for the network for licencing purposes is Channel Three, but no-one ever took it up as an onscreen name except Bruce Gyngell.

And regional ITV will never recover from this...

@SuperTed19021

5 жыл бұрын

No, it hasn't and did not then. You're right. Carlton and Granada were allowed to start buying other companies which led to asset stripping and of course a merger themselves. Regions as we knew have long gone. It finished more-or-less on New Year's Eve 1992.

@whatamalike

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperTed19021 To be honest, I do think buyouts of smaller itv companies was inevitable given that in an increasingly competitive market there's no way the likes of grampian, tyne tees and border would've survived into the new millennium entirely on their own. In fact, HTV in the mid 90s was in the shit financially which is why UNM snapped them up for quite a low amount compared to how much granada paid for LWT in 1994. This of course doesn't mean they had to outright homogenize them into a single generic identity and stifle their output! My region, Yorkshire, was by no means the biggest player on the network but made some of the most iconic shows ever shown on british telly. Now? Emmerdale. That's it.

@mikemartin2957

3 жыл бұрын

@@whatamalike yes from its start in summer '68 YTV has produced a lot of good quality shows , locally, for the network and to international acclaim. So could Tyne Tees, but the decision to combine both stations in the 90's would lead to a reduction in output. It was the same with Grampian & STV in around 1996

@whatamalike

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikemartin2957 A reduction in output, yes. But not to the point where there is like ONE SHOW that represents an entire region like now.

@grahamnancledra7036

3 жыл бұрын

Westward/TSW were brilliant regional TV stations and produced great regional programmes loved by the regional viewers, but all this went when WetCountry took over. No on screen presenters, nothing like as good a regional service as before, they even sacrificed the rabbit - a cardinal sin to all South West viewers. The the rubbish Carlton took over and made it even worse. ITV today? There is no ITV studios West of Bristol now. Couldn't Really Approach Reasonable Programming

19 seconds can hear to htv west news music

Will we ever see a return to regional ITV? I don’t think we will I’m afraid

Did Robert Maclennan have advance information about Carlton?

1:07 - this was utter BS from David Mellor here, the "quality threshold" meant sod all to companies such as Thames Television who by 1990 were doing so much good local news such as Thames News and programming as well as providing the ITV network with great quality programming in 1989 such as Minder, Rumpole of the Bailey, Rainbow, The Bill, Jack the Ripper, Mr Bean, This Is Your Life, The Cook Report etc.

@briansergeant

5 жыл бұрын

Cook Report was Central's.

@MrDannyDetail

5 жыл бұрын

Mr Bean was Tiger Aspect productions, so control of the series could be, and was passed to another ITV company, namely Central (who themselves were the bought by Carlton), and the show probably continued exactly as it would have if Thames had survived.

TV News December 1989, it would be another 7 years and 3 months before Channel 5 acuallty launched March 30th 1997 at 6pm and the increase of tv Channels choice with the shortlived Digital tv terrestrial platform ITV Digital in November 1998.

@johnking5174

5 жыл бұрын

Channel 5 launched into a huge raft of problems from their launch. The restrictions in broadcast frequencies meant only half the country could receive it. I live in a big city with the transmitter broadcasting Channel 5 from the start only 5 miles away, and even us had a poor signal quality, watchable but compared to BBC1, BBC2, ITV and Ch4, Channel 5 signal was terrible.

1993 was the beginning of the end of ITV as we knew it. Carlton was a horrible franchise to be allowed into the network.

@MrThecarebear

6 жыл бұрын

I'd say 1988 was the beginning of the end of ITV, when frontcaps were dropped.

@MrThecarebear

6 жыл бұрын

thus dropped the frontcaps, which was a cardinal sin in my opinion.

@grahamnancledra7036

3 жыл бұрын

As was WetCountry - Useless. (Yes WetCountry - all their logo/intro's featured water)

@rtc9063

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrThecarebear They should have let the animated ones carry on at the end. Central tried it but it didn't last long!

@chriswathen9612

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrThecarebear Don't get me wrong, I like frontcaps and disagree with them being edited out of reruns, but you can see why they were dropped at the time. They were originally designed for a world where every station had IVC and every frontcap was designed with vaguely the same technology and so they all fitted together. That may have worked up until the early 80's but by the late 80's presentation styles had changed, some stations had IVC some didn't, some stations had gone all modern and CGI whilst others were still using some pretty ancient presentation. If you check out some mid-80's junctions it does start to look a bit clashing. Central might introduce Corrie using a modern CGI ident and out of vision link but before the programme started the 'GRANADA Colour Production' frontcap designed in 1969 would still appear. Meanwhile Anglia might well do a daytime IVC announcement into Take The High Road in front of their tatty old curtain and where locally they were still using the knight spinning round on a turntable as an ident but this would be followed by STV's Bertie Bassett CGI frontcap. Also I imagine there was pressure from within to remove them as branding became more important - TSW actually were doing this unofficially and regularly edited out frontcaps in favour of running the TSW ident after IVC links from as early as 1985.

South East England (Meridian) South West England region (Westcountry) Midlands region (Central) London Carlton TV London Weekend Television (LWT) Yorkshire (Yorkshire Television) North West England Granada North East England Tyne Tees Television Northern Ireland Ulster Channel Islands Channel Television Central Scotland (STV) Northern Scotland (Grampian) East of England (Anglia) England and Scotland border region (Border) Wales and West (HTV)

this was so wrong

labor h the bll

@johnking5174

5 жыл бұрын

???

And in 2022, the Tories have learnt nothing from this disaster, now let's sell off Channel Four and then the BBC with their funding.

That fifth channel that is still as crap today as it was when launched in March 1997.

@johnking5174

Жыл бұрын

Channel 5 actually gets more viewers on some of their shows than BBC One or BBC Two get in 2022. All Creatures Great and Small reboot was turned away by the BBC and ITV, Channel 5 took it and it got mega ratings, beating BBC Eastenders, who barely scraped 1.7 million viewers, whereas All Creatures gained 5 million viewers watching. Channel 5 were the ones laughing, BBC were the ones that looked that shit heads.