Edit: As expected, some people didn’t watch the whole video and decided to comment just based off the title and thumbnail lmao. The second half REALLY shows my stance on things lmao 😪 Hi! I would watch the whole video before looking silly in the comments lol. Bayonetta Origins will be released in 2 hours for me as of this message. I hope you enjoy this lore breakdown and discussion. See you in the Let's Plays in a few hours :)

@stavros3676

Жыл бұрын

Yea its a shame. Really good video. It sucks that no matter how much you try to explain the lore its inevitably poorly written from the dev team themselves. Regardless, your Bayo content does show your passion for this character and her lore and your dedication to decipher this clownfest writting is commendable

I recently read about something interesting on Reddit. Our original Bayonetta’s Umbran watch has an extra piece in the corner of it that no other Bayonetta has. It’s present on the watches of both Bayonetta of 1 and 2. However at the end of Bayonetta 3, only the Bayonetta that looks like the Bayonetta from the first game has that extra piece. This is something I really want to see you talk about in a video!!!!

@jaimereyes6943

Жыл бұрын

holy shit you're right. there's supposed to be a pin(?) behind the watch that's missing from the other bayos edit: nvm b0 (violas mother) had it💀

@shulymaru

Жыл бұрын

Wait little cereza doesn't have it too

The diverged theory sounds farrrr better than whatever Kamiya wants. There’s no way that the Bayo 3 is the same as Bayo 1 and 2. Bayo 3’s Cereza even seems more scared (ironically since we refer to her as brave Cereza) than 1 and 2 combined with all her “what’s that?” Moments 😪. One other thing you’re also not taking into consideration are their enochian chants. Jeanne used her own summoning chants in bayo 1 and 2 but on 3 she uses the same as Cereza. That alone implies a lack of continuity among the series. Which makes it worse since they “supposedly haven’t been with each other for a long time” but suddenly they know the same chants..? This whole thing is a mess. 🤨

@kenjikonz

Жыл бұрын

The Bayonetta series plot is actually rumoured to be a subject at Harvard in 2025💖

@TAEYYO

Жыл бұрын

If they try to say Bayo 3 is the same as 2 then they've failed absolutely.

@cutejustice

Жыл бұрын

@@kenjikonz stoppppp 😂

@inplane9970

Жыл бұрын

I've commented this on another video, but Bayo 3 fails horribly at selling the idea that Bayo 3 is the "Bravest of them all." There hasn't been a single moment in Bayo 3 that tops the bravado and comedic relief that Bayo 1 had. Also people claim that Jeanne and Bayo are "weaker" because of how Cereza wasn't sealed away for 500 years and they relied on each other rather than working solo like in Bayo 1, but now they haven't been with each other for a long time? So the logic doesn't line up at all.

Sometimes I wish it was just one timeline not multiple everything but gotta just enjoy the mess.

@abigailher9386

Жыл бұрын

Oh-this is how I feel about it! Nice way of putting it! 😆

@ArturoLopez-fr4rr

Жыл бұрын

Tbh that describes exactly how I feel. Nowadays people jsut want multiverses everywhere and its so... idk. Bland, at this point. lol.

@inplane9970

Жыл бұрын

It's just an easy way for devs to rewrite plot-points and claim it can potentially make sense if we really narrow our eyes. It's just incoherent and uninteresting at the end of the day unless executed with care, but Bayo 3 just missed in every way.

@14.ghoullz

Жыл бұрын

@@ArturoLopez-fr4rr it's all so confusing and unnecessary that bayo 3 ruined bayonettas story imo. For example luka is a side character who mistaken bayonetta as the person who killed his father to a fairy god who also has a werewolf curse thing also Adam like in the bible like wtf. They overcomplicated this story so much its just not fun it's really annoying just hearing the lore.

This destiny is surely “mysterious”

When I first played Bayonetta 2 that’s what I thought the timeline was. I thought it was the converged timeline, where after the events of Bayo 1 then it moved to Bayo 2. Then Bayo 3 came along and ran me over like a truck 😭 I love both of your timelines btw! I don’t know what time line to believe in 😫

@theshyoneva

Жыл бұрын

Okay after finishing the video I still prefer the diverged timeline 🤣 Edit: okay the divergence makes the most sense to me personally because if they’re the same person why would Bayo 1 do that infamous gun flick at Bayo 3’s forehead if not to signify that they’re different?

@vikinggamer7727

Жыл бұрын

I'm still on the "bayonetta 1 and 2 are connected." side. There's too many things that make the first game and 2nd game connect.

@cutejustice

Жыл бұрын

@@vikinggamer7727 100%!

@cutejustice

Жыл бұрын

@@theshyoneva I do not want Kamiya’s retconned versions because the game just fully makes no sense. So the villain destroys all the Bayonettas but suddenly 1 and 2 Cereza’s appear…? Because Kamiya just felt like bringing them back…? Miss me with all of that

@enbnuuy

Жыл бұрын

​​@@vikinggamer7727 yeah 😅 the flashback around the time luca talks to loki literally shows the dont f with a witch screen as if she remembers it,, iirc its when loki and Bayonetta go on the weird gravirt ball sphere after talking the way up a spiral staircase in the slown walking dialogue scene

My theory is a mix of both. I still believe bayonetta 1 and 2 happen in the same timeline, but i believe bayonetta 3 happens I a separate "brave timeline." I feel like 1 and 2 were just plucked from the same timeline but from different parts of it

@Bryansoto1010

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I was thinking and that would make more sense. And yea I read the descriptions of the guns, I'm pretty sure the different Bayonetta they mention in the description is the same as 1 and 2

@sanngrir6884

Жыл бұрын

It's canon information that 3's Bayo is different anyway. It's literally written in the weapons' descriptions that Scarborough Fair and Love Is Blue weren't made for her, but instead another Bayonetta.

@danielalexispaulinh.8729

Жыл бұрын

​@@sanngrir6884 i wouldn't take the information of optional weapons as confirmations, as even the Rodin implies that it's actually non-canon.

@sanngrir6884

Жыл бұрын

@@danielalexispaulinh.8729 They may be optional, but they're still in the game and PG went out of their way to make it clear that they don't belong to Bayo3. You're free to ignore what the game itself tells us, but it's there for a reason.

@jefmarquez2863

6 ай бұрын

Nah I agree, though I still believe that this is still in the same universe, it’s just a different outcome of the a certain event that happened in the past. And the event I’m talking about is the moment Bayo 1 brought Cereza back to her original timeline, she then grew up the same way as Bayo 1 however that key moment in time was when Jeanne was supposed to impale her with her dagger but because of the Umbran watch that Bayo 1 tied around her neck, it prevented her from being Impaled and kept fighting alongside Jeanne. That particular moment was when the timeline split into two different outcomes. Bayo 1 and 2 happened when Jeanne impaled Bayonetta and sealed her away. Bayo 3 happened when Jeanne didn’t impale her and kept fighting, thus actually unlocking the left eye and gaining all this power that Bayo 1 and 2 didn’t have or weren’t aware of. I believe that Bayonetta 3 is just an alternate timeline but is still set in the same universe. The only true variants are Viola’s mother and the other Bayonetta that Bayo 3 traveled to and met. So yeah there’s my two cents

i prefer the theory that the other bayonettas came from smash, and thats why they survive the attack of singularity

@Ramsey276one

Жыл бұрын

So broken! XD

The Bayo games always had messy stories but it was part of the charm for me. Bayo 3 made it straight up Kingdom Hearts levels of confusing and now I feel like you need to take a class to understand what’s happening. This was much more approachable when it was just “witch with gun fight big monster”

@lilygreen221

Жыл бұрын

At least you can understand some things kh 3 I cant even explain what the hell happened xD

@EmperorXaozx

7 ай бұрын

Its actually not complicated. Especially not to the grade of KH level story filling.

Bayonetta Origins spoilers ahead Saw the whole vid but maybe I'm confused. I believe it was confirmed that Bayo 3 is different from Bayo 1 and 2 and seeing that singularity can travel back in time in the same timeline/universe I'm sure it's safe to assume that the 2 Bayonettas we see at the end are from the same timeline. My theory is that singularity couldn't kill Bayo2 so he went a bit back in time to kill Bayo1 leaving two versions of the same bayo aware of Singularity once they come back after brave Cereza frees them allowing the 2 Bayonettas to aid brave Cereza. This theory is possible since Singularity went back in time to kill Bayonetta as a kid in Bayonetta's origins but was stopped by Jeanne.

@Bryansoto1010

Жыл бұрын

I oversimplified the theory but the theory you had in 13:43 is a huge possibility

@Bryansoto1010

Жыл бұрын

Most of the demons we form packs with in Bayo 3 have already been summoned by Bayo in previous games so the timeline you believe is true just isn't possible.

Babe- I was about to play Splatoon 3 and u dropped this on me😭💜I even just bought Cereza and the lost demon, so that I can play it on midnight…meet me at midnight, ahhahaha me QUOTIN tay once again ahahaha😂💜I will watch this Perfect video later okii💜💜💜💜

I've been reading bits of the artbooks and the character descriptions in Bayonetta 3, and yes there's actually time breach around 5-15 years between the events of Bayonetta 2 and Bayonetta 3. I went to that conclusion by look at Luka's age in B1-B2 (24-25 years old) and B3 (between 30-39).

love this community! At the end of the day, we all just love this series and it’s characters, so there’s no use fighting over interpretations. It all comes back to our experiences and how they make us feel. Thanks for bringing us together with these videos, Rakun!

After seeing bayonetta's origins I really think that the multiverse timeline is the right one cause the personality of cereza match perfectly with bayonetta 3 but not 1 and 2 specialy her realation with luka The only probleme i see here is luakaon realy this character trouble so much 😂

@KumaOso16

Жыл бұрын

Multiverse is the only one that makes the most sense as it’s the only way you can explain the other Bayonetta’s you meet in 3. Basically, the multiverse happens not as a result of just Cereza sent to the future but general divergences based on choices made. There can be nigh identical universes even as it was stated 1 and 2 have nigh identical timelines. IMO, Origins is connected to at least Viola and 3’s universe. I think 3 saying Cheshire’s name was not a coincidence. My theory is the one in origins returns for Viola as a favor of her mother.

I'm curious how the whole story of the game would have gone if there hadn't been so many timelines, I mean if it would have continued like any other story? Kind of a story from Bayo 1 to continue with Bayo 2 and after Bayo 3 and still without so many variants of Cereza Jeann and Luka. Rodin is interesting because he is alone, he didn't get another version of his.🧐🧐

It's easier to just say that Bayonetta pulled off a Trunks. Time travel incidents within the Bayo-verse can end up splitting a universe into two, to avoid triggering a time paradox whenever someone tries tampering with the past. Time travel in Bayonetta works under multiverse theory since the 1st game, and 3 just made it official. It's not even the first Nintendo-related IP that does this. Zelda is also famous for having games take place in different timelines/universes.

@Ramsey276one

Жыл бұрын

9:12

The original drafts shows 3 bayonettas. All in one timeline, Bayonetta3 representing little cereza’s adventures before turning in Bayonetta1 (since she wasn’t sealed away). But the writers were too coward and Kamiya’s insistence of being as unclear and gibberish when making a game ended up in having to make all that wishy washy multiverse sh!t. That’s what I think, I’m honestly done with this saga

I never got the feeling Bayonetta didn't care about the variants or her mother or Jeanne, she was just keeping her emotions in check to deal with the massive Multiversal threat currently going on. She does express sadness, and shock initially but realizes she can't let that stop her so she pushes on. She's stronger than she was in the past and after the events of the previous two games, she can keep herself in check better. She's also still playful towards Luka and Viola much like she was in the previous two games. But that's just how I felt when I played through it. Honestly I don't mind either the multiple versions or the singular timeline, cause I'm still playing as a Bayonetta who's at least lived through similar events. I also think both have problems, dealing with Balder and Aesir. If, like Rodin, Aesir was born outside of the realm of Chaos, then there's only one of him in the multiverse. It's said on Bayonetta 2 that he was chosen to be the ruler of chaos after the Trinity of realities formed, implying to me that he was born or came into being before the first Armageddon that created the Trinity of realities. So how then could Bayonetta 3 have gone through a similar event-implied by her having one of Loki's cards and the doll from the first game, unless they're just stuff Rodin brought over to this universe? It's stated that the reason Rodin doesn't have any counterparts is because he wasn't born in the realm of Chaos, so then any angels, Jubileus and any demons not formed from things from the world of chaos also shouldn't have any counterparts. I also don't understand how changing the past of a different Bayonetta awakens the version in Bayonetta 1. How does the timeline of a different universe clash with the original timeline we saw? I think the only answer is that it's a mix. No singular answer is 100% correct by itself, but pieces of both come together to form the correct version. Somehow. Traveling through time and changing the past will change the future, but there are also different universes out there, some of which will follow a similar path, others that won't. But there's still inconsistencies no matter the version simply due to them establishing that those born outside of the realm of Chaos don't have counterparts/variants while still saying some variants of Bayonetta go through similar events that are contingent on a character that may or may not have counterparts themselves. Or i could be wrong and Aesir came into being because of the first Armageddon, and has counterparts in the other universes.

In Bayonetta 3 when Viola said hey Cheshire I got the feeling she was trying to unlock something in her memories Bayonetta in that scene and then I remember the demo when I was playing it changed her fate forever something happened in Avalon Forest were maybe she forgot or she doesn't want to remember what she remember being in the forest so maybe there's something like a part of her brain had an Amnesia so something happened with her and Cheshire in Avalon Forest did you get the feeling she's trying to unlock some part of her brain in that one scene in the bar hmmm 🤔

@aplesnowo

Жыл бұрын

Yessssss! She said "Cheshire..." thinking.

@RACH90810

Жыл бұрын

​@@aplesnowo so she was adopted.

Now we just need Nintendo to confirm the time line of Legend of Zelda. That's the only other game franchise that's just as convoluted as Bayonetta.

@Ramsey276one

Жыл бұрын

O M G XD

@Ramsey276one

Жыл бұрын

Legends of Zelda - Multiverse of Courage Abyss of Wisdom Powers of Madness

Rakunx, I'm gonna be honest with you, I am thankful you try to make sense of the bayoverse while just giving your honest opinion And honest why not enjoy this crazy ride across the multiverse.

Character regression🤐

The ending so amazing 🥹

I think we can all agree, that this Bayonetta multiverse-disaster happen cause kamiya didn’t wanted to admit he made a story error in Bay2 so he made the second Bayo in bay2 a variant. Bayos character in one was supreme! She was loving, caring, cheeky and a “Boss witch”.

@Ramsey276one

Жыл бұрын

Woman In Total Control Of Herself

@lilygreen221

Жыл бұрын

What was the error in bayo 2?

@TheUmbranGirl

Жыл бұрын

@@lilygreen221 the opening scene in Bayo2. Where she meets the luman sage for the first time, didn’t ad up with the rest of the story and kamiya said its because it was a parallel universe 🙄

@lilygreen221

Жыл бұрын

@@TheUmbranGirl oooh I see, but it was balder from the past right?

@TheUmbranGirl

Жыл бұрын

@@lilygreen221 Yes. but another variant of him. Its very confusing 😅🥲

OMG I feel like I lost track of the plot altogether. Could you make a vid where you take it from Bayo 1? 😂

Rakun is extremely good at trying to glue together this absolutely shitfest of a plotline Kamiya has graced us with.

Watch bayo origins just destroy some of this somehow haha

I'll say this, Bayo 1 and 2 are very intelligently written to exactly fold together into one cohesive mess of time jumps. I think the third game should have followed this pattern. Perhaps it could have gone into the events that set Baldur on the path that would see him fall in love with a witch, continuing the pattern of their timelines running opposite to eachother. Maybe as a child of both worlds, for some reason, and i do have ideas for this, Bayonetta in the third game has to learn the ways of the Lumen Sage, given the last sage is gone, to restore some sort of balance. She goes to the past, and tries to convince the unwilling lumen sages to train her. One Lumen goes rogue, and decides to train her. In doing so, he awakens the Right eye of the world. They make their way to an umbran witch training grounds and she starts her sage training, but only gets through the basics before being yanked back into the present. As she leaves we see an umbran witch from the era walk into the clearing, commenting on how she'll keep quiet about what she saw, if he'll agree to a sparring match. We get to play this sparring match from his perspective and their banter shows they have immediate chemistry.

I hope you can interview hideki kamiya one day, I love your theories but we need answers, good job tho!

@Rakunx

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Lily 🥲💜

I think it's something like First game: Bayonetta 1 Second game: Bayonetta 1 → bayonetta 2 Third Game: Bayonetta 1 → bayonetta 2 →Bayonetta 3 (as little Cereza) Origins: Violas mom (All of them are different timelines but 3 is ahead of both the timelines and 2 is ahead of the first time line)

@TheUmbranGirl

Жыл бұрын

Yes finally someone that thinks the same 🤩

I like to think that the inconsistencies are mistakes made by the people telling the stories, first two games were told by Luka and the 3rd was told by Viola, she didn't know much about Bayo's 1 and 2 adventure so she might have made some mistakes by telling the Bayo 3 story.

Could it be that the Bayo 1 we see fight and die fighting Singularity at the beginning of Bayo 3 is a different Bayo 1 than the Bayo 1 we see the end of Bayo 3? I'm asking because her guns look slightly different: the scarborough fait at the beginning of the game have like a silver attachment sort of on top of the gums where as the Scarborough fair at the end of Bayo 3 look all red like we know. I could be wrong

I grew up watching Dragon ball Z and Sailor Moon where time traveling was a major theme in the plot... So when I found Bayonetta I immediately thought about multiple timelines. 😅😅😅😅

We have gotta come up with names for all Bayo's moving forward Amnesia Cereza = Bayonetta 1 Famed Cereza = Bayonetta 2 Brave Cereza = Bayonetta 3 Whit Cereza = Bayonetta B0 Hip Hop Cereza = Bayonetta B1 General Cereza = Bayonetta B2 Princess Cereza = Bayonetta B3 Thief Cereza = Bayonetta B4

Their is one thing I'm a little confused about. You mention how Balder/Loptr head back 500 yrs to become the villain we encounter in Bayo 1. While I know this would solve the issue about the Left Eye being erased by Loki, this doesn't explain how Balder got back the Right Eye unless their is a bit of lore that I missed.

So hard to tell what is what. I think at the time of Bayonetta 2 in the Japanese strategy guide, the writers said that something like Bayonetta's 1 events happen because of you relive the past, but Bayonetta 2's events happen where it's meant to specifically be a time loop and the ending causes the beginning. It seems the writers make things up along the way and didn't have a grand scheme...the only thing that betrays that is each Bayonetta (1/2/3) specifically have moles in slightly different areas of the bottom left corner of her mouth (1 is lowest, 2 is middle, 3 is highest).

Idk about the past changing the future but maybe it just... maybe there's millions of tiny cerezitas running around every timeline and the Rosemary Witch's (Bayonetta 1) timeline got a cerezita plopped into her timeline and it got fucked up? Or maybe it's just like... a ripple across the fabric where you gain one eye in one universe, you gain them in every universe? I also find it easier to refer to the games, specifically as Rosemary, Lily, and Violet. (Based on Bayonetta's chosen perfume in each game, based on either correct guesses or false guesses from Luka.) Cause each generation has each witch costume named something else, Witch with No Memories, Witch in Remembrance, The Witch with Eyes Looking Forward, etc. Easier for us to refer to Bayonetta as The Rosemary Witch, Bayonetta 2 as The Nerine Lily Witch, and Bayonetta 3 as The Violet Witch. Especially if every single bayonetta we've seen is a completely different Bayonetta.

Huh, I wonder how Jeanne was with the same timelines scenario; did she just also change looks and is still the same Jeanne as back to Bayonetta 1?

I've actually managed to reassemble the ideal situation using a bit of tomfoolery and ignoring almost every detail in the recent analysis from the subreddit involving the Labolas etc. (NOTE: I HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO PLAY ORIGINS YET I WANT TO PLAY IT TOMORROW) This theory will allow us to feel connected to both TWIR and TWWDE without removing the character development in 1 and 2. Bayo 3 is Cerezita. While you bring up a good theory on why she is willing to kill everybody (but Jeanne b3), I just imagined for every death scene her frantically repeating "there is nothing I cannot overcome there is nothing I cannot overcome there is nothing I cannot overcome..." in her head to try and calm herself down while she's half-panicking in her head but composed on the outside for us cynics to see. This also allows for the 'you didn't cry' scene. Bayo leads straight into Bayo 2 (and back around again). However, after the events of Bayo 2 there is another timesplit! Suddenly, out of nowhere, Master Hand comes from a place not even related to time and plucks Bayonetta out. This creates a timeline split Because I Said So™, one where Bayonetta is returned after the events of World of Light (SSBU) and one where she never had those experiences. Both of these end up having had the same experiences from the 2 games identically (including beating Jubileus), but also both come and appear at the end. Initially, I was going to make the swept away Bayonetta TWWDE because in Smash she's labelled as from the "Bayonetta 2 Series" (I think Nintendo owns the rights to that logo the most), and by default uses Love Is Blue etc. However, I've switched that. TWIR's description states "that her eyes give off an intensity that hints at an almost unfathomable number of trials and hardships", which works out with an unfathomable number of smash battles that there have been since her inclusion. I theorize that she could feel the hate resonating from the competitive Smash community and because of it decided to ditch Love Is Blue in her timeline. She decides to go for a bit of nostalgia after all the Galeem/Dharkon stuff and settles for her No Memories outfit and Scarborough Fair. Everyone in this timeline feels a bit weird because everybody died and got restored (even Jeanne dies!), and they're probably both all willing to fight against Singularity, but also probably taken out pretty quickly if he shocks them while they're confused. TWWDE doesn't feel these vibes and carries on, until Singularity etc. etc. TWWDE makes a jab at TWIR for getting used to Smash Bros. using invitations in her one line in Bayo 3. This is absolutely ridiculous, but it was fun to think about and at least it accounts for 1/2 continuity, the timesplit we already saw, and keeps the fanservice as fanservice. It even goes with the scars thing. Regardless, I hope I have convinced you, haha! (Thanks for reading my garbage, I pretend like people care). =]

This video makes total sense ik it was the same Bayonetta different times

11:51 What appearances do Luka and Bayonetta take on in that “glitch”?

I prefer the Divergent Timeline because a singular timeline would imply Bayo 3 just learned Demon Slave out of nowhere (cause if she had it, why not use it in prev entries, why would she need to fight enemies on foot when she could summon Giga Gomorrah, M Butterfly etc), it makes sense that if she was never sealed she WOULD have access to lost arts like DS and whatnot. Though tbf Jeanne was never sealed in ANY timeline so she could also use DS in Bayo 1 and 2........so timeline specific techniques would help differentiate them too.

Also the Luka from bayo 3 is not New York Luka. Because we meet him in Chinese Bayonetta's timeline. So that would explain why he's in the photo in hell's gate

@kalmia786

Жыл бұрын

But he was shown that he's in Thule before we met him in China

@catpotatoheart7268

Жыл бұрын

@@kalmia786 wait so is he new York Bayonetta? But I thought that was a normal timeline

My question would be is, who is violas parents and where did sheŕ get Cheshire, since either Bayonetta or Luca truly never acknowledge her as there child. If it were 1 time line wouldn't they act like they know who she is.?

Other variants's specters were blown away by Singularity and they were merged by Dark-Eve...

It seems like Bayonetta from 3 also didn't initially recognize Cheshire since they interacted when she was also 10

I'm not sure but I think bayo 1 and 2 guns has the same name as we got in their respective games, and since bayo 3 notes says that they are craft for another Bayonetta it could be a strong evidence of sperate timeline. Because I think that as gun crafter Rodin doesnt make gun with exactly the same name for two person, it's somewhat a piece of art, so if these guns are ours from the previous one, then the bayo are probably from our previous games too, even viola's mother have similar gun to bayo 1 but with a different name.

Didn't someone not do a video on this already ??

The way I see it Bayonetta 1 was sealed by Jeanne. Bayonetta 2 is the Bayonetta who didn't lose her willpower in the war, and her relationship with Jeanne strengthened because of that. Bayonetta 3 is OC Bayonetta, the coldest Bayonetta, went crazy far with her daemon controlling.

6:57 Anyone made the incantation for Bloodmoon Strider and MADAMA BAYONETTA yet?

I have a simple question for everyone that simplifies this thing. HOW was possible that the three Bayonettas combined to fight Singularity?

@mystical1789

2 ай бұрын

Been wondering that myself. Maybe it’s similar to what Lukaon did with Luka but only temporary as the others vanish afterwards

Well, Kamiya has left Platinum...I'm curious about Bayonetta's future!

I feel like I'm watching freakin Predestination movie 😵😱

The whole multiple timeline multiverse thing just made the story a giant mess. I WISH it was all unified.

I think there's a bit of subtlety that was missed. "Two different time axes are showing the events of yet another." It sounds like there's actually three timelines that resulted from the child Cereza returning to the past. One where Cereza was sealed and the timeline goes on unchanged, one where she wasn't sealed because of the events in the future, and a timeline that underwent a sort of flux where those two timelines colliding at that that moment sent the third in an entirely new direction. In timeline A, Bayonetta would not have the memories of the past surging forward and awakening the eye. Timeline B they eye wakes up much sooner and she stays out and about. Timeline C is the events of the game where history is rewritten with the same person in place.

@uriel9777

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! Ot's so obvious to me, but people keep making excuses to justify their head canons....it's like the creator knew what he was creating, and people didn't understand it immediatly so their reaction was "he is crazy and we know the franchise better than him." 😅 it's crazy to me how people are so entitled to the point dismissing the creator.

I think and believe B3 is the little cereza timeline,phenomenal uncertainty bayonetta's are from B1 and some other universe close enough to B2 with identical paths. (Pokemon games used a somewhat interesting concept which dictates that every single game is a universe,the same story but different paths and options.) Cereza in Origins is Viola's mother,she's the only Cereza that managed to make contact with the fairies after all and that would explain why Viola and their Luka had fairy powers. Bayonetta in B3 is the way she is because it's a whole different story but similar paths and I believe she didn't do anything to save her others "me" because she knew what needed to happen to cause the "influx" that would change everything ,even singularity's single truth... after all she knew someone was going to arrive and their exact location

I don't think Origins Cereza is our Cereza simply because faeries don't exist in our Cereza's world and she has to travel to another world to reach Avalon and speak to a Lukaon variant, I think the Cereza from Origins is Viola's mom who married Lukaon after he was reborn as Luka and thus their kid has faerie powers, this also explains why she would marry her Luka in the first place since we already have that context from Origins and she was infatuated with Lukaon during her time in Avalon, while our Cereza tooksome time to get there because she didn't have that common past with him and instead fell in love with him in present time during their adventures in 1, 2 and 3. This is also why Viola's Cheshire, who is heavily implied to be Origins Cheshire, doesn't recognize our Cereza once he meets her, to him she's just a variant of the Cereza who was his true friend.

I got a question: since bayo 1 and 2 or diff timelines then why is Jubiliaous pieces in bayo2 if She from Paridiso(no counterparts) i still dont know why singularity calls Brave cereza Arch Eve Origin

@oratank

Жыл бұрын

Cereza is the one that unlocked the eye for B1 so Cereza may become Arch Eve Origin because of that

We'll have to do whatever it takes to cope with the terribly written third installment. I just wished they'd thought this through cause it feels like they wrote the third game either in a rush or without giving it as much thought as they should've. Part of me feels they wanted to include the multiverse topic to justify the demon masquerades and weapons and that messed up the story. At this point, I have decided on my own headcanon and forgotten about everything I really disliked from the third game. Just to clarify: I liked Bayo3. The score, the voice acting, the animations, the mechanics (besides the weird boss-fight thingies and Viola's controls) everything was a 10... But the story. I feel the writers wanted us "to feel" and have an "emotional ending" and didn't deliver. I still can't believe they forced us LukaxCereza and wanted us to just be OK with it... We'll just have to wait to see what the future holds.

How is it possible that there's an umbran elder? if umbra witches are supposed to not be affected by aging, why does do the umbran elder looks so...elder? shouldn't she have stayed young like Rosa, Jeanne or Cereza? Or do umbrans still age just way slower?

My brain hurts, to complex... 🤯

I wish multiverses weren't a trend because they're way too confusing.....i think my interpretation is B0 is Origins cereza and her timeline is unaffected by aesir & baldur but she met lukaon as a child and later mothered Viola, B1 and B2 I dont know what to make of it- but aesir and baldur's time loop shenanigans are probably the reason they're seperate timelines, B3 is little cereza from 1. B2 is the most confusing one to place, but I think its a pretty safe bet B1 and Bayonetta 1 and B3 is the little cereza from bayonetta 1.

@Rakunx

8 ай бұрын

I absolutely agree :,) It's they saw No Way Home and Endgame, and were like "I think we can do that rn" hahaha but it was still enjoyable at the timeeee :>

I know that it makes the most sense and that a lot of thought has gone into developing the diverged timeline, but I really hate it when the only way to explain stuff is just “different universe”. It’s so lazy. 2 scenes can be almost identical, but 1 tiny thing could be different, and to cover kamiya’s ass with his lazy storytelling it can just be deflected with “different universe”

@Rakunx

9 ай бұрын

I agree :,)

tbh i don’t really expect bayonetta origins to explain much judging by how bad the story telling was in bayo 3😭

Thumbnail makes me think it could be a single timeline being overwritten… Okay let’s watch!

The toxic Bayo-Jeanne fans aren’t gonna like this Rakun. 😂 EDIT - I’ll be editing this after I watch the entire video EDIT - I stand firm with my statement 😂

@hyliahyrule4508

Жыл бұрын

You seem pressed somehow

@Gemini053

Жыл бұрын

@@hyliahyrule4508 How am I pressed? I put the laughing emojis for a reason 😅.

Zaddy who?!?? Bayonetta Origins, “origins” I’m pretty sure it’s the origin of all the Timelines( or the vigrid ones at least)

The bayonetta 1 variant could be from the movie

Honestly I think it’s undeniable that the 3 are the same timeline for two simple facts: The events of 1 and 2 CANNOT happen in other timelines; in 1 and 2 bayo literally killed -THE god -THE creator of the universe They would not have multiverse counterparts??? there’s only ONE of each of them, no other bayo could kill jubileus or aesir And in Bayo 3 there is clear evidence she did defeat Aesir as we can see Loki’s cards, and Loki would only be interactable to the Cereza who killed Aesir Also Bayo is coming back for 4 iirc Viola isn’t holding the torchh

@Ramsey276one

Жыл бұрын

For HER Mom (B0) at least…

@KuriaruisBetterThanU

Жыл бұрын

@@Ramsey276one no like arch-eve origin is still alive and fine confirmed by kamiya and iirc we also got vague confirmation that we still play as her

@Ramsey276one

Жыл бұрын

@@KuriaruisBetterThanU OH Okay

I do not find that a coincidence Little cereza the summons an outcast like Cheshire when our little one was an outcast being shunned away from her clan and away from the dark arts the fact that she summons this demon that could relate to her Outkast and he is also an outcast I don't find that a very coincidence but I do find it very coincidence I'm getting more and more curious of Cheshire

The first two games seem to be directly connected to each other through their events and mentions. So for me Bayo 1 and Bayo 2 are the same person, Bayonetta 2's past is Bayonetta 1 and Bayonetta 1's future is Bayonetta 2 and Bayo 3 being a different variant. This is the version I most accept.

I prefer Bayo 3 Bayonetta in ABSOLUTELY all aspects 💯

I've watched the entire video, and this theory seems to bounce between massively infuriating and perfect. Some of this video seems really misguided 😥Why are we even discussing a converged timeline? Also the bit at the end was sorta...yeah, but cool vid.

I don't like the idea that it's one timeline, if that's the case then they did something wrong because there is no explanation for SUCH a huge change in Bayonetta's character. I really think that the 3rd part is the worst, the change of voice, different appearance and this character... only the theory with different timelines somehow saved it. I bought this game but I didn't finish it, it was a failure in my opinion.

The timeline multiuniververse makes more sense, this cereza is the little girl from beyonetta 1 that was never sealed, so we have the first one of the first game the second one little girl and then a third which is basically the one of the first game after little girl cereza was sent back and acquired he eyes which is the one that plays on the second game, it’s still a lineal timeline with two variations in the past that make changes in the future so the two other beyonettas that appear along side cereza are just two versions of her in the multiverse from either of the previous variations. Beyo 1 was sealed, beyo 2 has the eyes and both umbra and sage powers and beyo 3 is the little girl that was never sealed and converged all the past events.

I really wish they've never brought the multiverse into Bayonetta. We're at a point now that the converged and diverged can work, but not really at the same time lol It's so inconsistent 😢 I remember you being the first I saw talking about that theory way before Bayo 3 release and I really thought to myself: please, no. lol I personally don't like this concept, including the ones in the Marvel movies you mentioned, but it's my personal taste But anyway, you do a great job, and Bayonetta never had a good writing, so we do our best to make sense of that

@felipesantana8374

Жыл бұрын

I'm okay with Brave Cereza being their one thing, I like the concept of her, so, as far as I'd prefer to have a single timeline, with maybe just one variant (Brave Cereza), I'm going with the diverged theory lol

After beating origins i'm still convinced Bayo 1-3 are all different Bayo's and Cereza in origins is Bayo 1.

Kamiya kinda of admitted the Bayo in Bayo 3 is not the same one from the previous games. He didn’t elaborate, but the evidence in the game implies Bayo 3 IS Little Cereza. So Bayo 3 is not the same universe as 1&2. And while this video was merely just your personal theory of yours, there is too much contradicting evidence to suggest it is plausible. And the evidence of Bayo 3 being Little Cereza’s timeline is more plausible as it’s becoming more overwhelming. Especially since Bayonetta Origins came out (spoiler alert). And thankfully you are still back the divergent Brave Cereza multiverse thing more to this day. Plus Huckleberry made videos with more compelling facts that Bayo 3 is Little Cereza and used official sources to back it up. Check him out if you want. He is a cool dude. Plus you forgot about the guns. Scarborough Fair and Love Is Blue profiles state they were only used by different Bayonetta’s. So that alone kinda proves Bayo 3 never used those guns before. And while went through similar events, they didn’t happen quite the same.

First like💅

@astaricn

Жыл бұрын

@@gonhunter3994 if u need to learn how to talk to a lady, ask ur mum💅

Bayonetta is one of my favorite sagas but it is absolutely the worse written game I've ever seen. Literally nothing makes sense and everything is unnecessarily overcomplicated. Other than being toxic as hell Kamiya is also a terrible writer. By the way, you mentioned she changes personality but the only significant change I saw is that she is even more heartless and noncaring in Bayonetta 3. I don't see differences between B1 and B2 Bayonetta.

@Rakunx

7 ай бұрын

I agree with all of these 🥲🥲 I hope you’ll like the next video then 😉

First?