BATTLE OF THE BEST! -- 2020 Audi Q7 vs. 2020 Volvo XC90: Comparison
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Both REFRESHED this year, the 2020 Audi Q7 and 2020 Volvo XC90 are even BETTER and are competing for the BEST luxury 3-row title! And in these fully-loaded $75,000 trim levels (Q7 Prestige and XC90 Inscription) they have almost everything your family could ask for! But which one will come out on top?? Go ahead: CLICK to find out :) Also, be sure to LIKE and SUBSCRIBE if you enjoyed this review -- it helps us more than you can imagine!
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Car confections is the best car reviewer on KZread in my opinion
@CarConfections
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Asher! Have a great week!
@theeraputchantarawong5121
4 жыл бұрын
Asher Kaplan ร่าาครีีรร
@danightryder
2 жыл бұрын
Naw redline reviews, he’s way more thorough and has more energy. But car confections is a very close second place.
@LsIQIs2K
Жыл бұрын
Car Wow is good too. I prefer older ppl reviews but this was better than I expected
XC90 is the oldest but the design makes it timeless. Just shows you don't need humongous grille, complicated lighting, thousands of lines, etc to make a classic.
@joecool9739
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry dude but of theres any company out there making timeless designs, its Audi. The 2014 Q7 was the last year for the 1st Gen Q7. It still looks like a new design.
@peczelypatrik2038
4 жыл бұрын
TheMichaelRN XC90 got an update, so it doesnt really old
@onelove3748
3 жыл бұрын
And it’s reliability can’t be touched by Audi or BMW or Land Rover, especially not Land Rover what a nightmare of a car...
@peczelypatrik2038
3 жыл бұрын
@Disclosureteam Liverpool First seen on a face lifted V40 btw
@tesla_models
3 жыл бұрын
Just take the vilvo
The XC90 is classic, old school luxury. I love how elegant and timeless it is. The Q7 looks good now but in five years I can see it starting to look dated. It’s just so modernized and trendy, so if consumer preference changes even slightly, it might suffer. Great comparison!
Only the Volvo has airbags in the third row. That is what ultimately led to me choosing the XC90. Can’t wait until it’s delivered ☺️
Before I start watching, I pick the Volvo XC90
@phillipmakache814
3 жыл бұрын
Me too
@nedhogarty9332
3 жыл бұрын
Completely wrong choice, my dad had one and was horrible he bought a q7 and it’s 100 times better
@tesla_models
3 жыл бұрын
Wow you are a fan of me
@tesla_models
3 жыл бұрын
@@nedhogarty9332 no way my friends q7 already in workshop . 8ts not even one year he brought it. You are decision is so horrible
@tihomirgrcic9965
3 жыл бұрын
You are wrong!!!
XC90 for me especially in the R Design trim with 22inch wheels. The comfort & refinement is top notch and them Bowers & Wilkins sound amazing 😍
@Alberts_Kviesis
4 жыл бұрын
road noise is very noisy on 22inch wheels, XC90 has poor road noise sound isolation
@shunt8084
4 жыл бұрын
Had the B&W system in my XC90, and must admit it sounded better than my upgraded B&O ( Advanced ) in my Q8. The B&W has better mid range and had more options to tweak the sound.
@beaman7263
4 жыл бұрын
I‘ve owned my XC90 R Design T8 model for 2 years, it has fully loaded specs, yes 22in is noisy on the rough road, but there is not much difference on the motorway. And you will never get bored with Bowers & Wilkins
@onelove3748
3 жыл бұрын
I have an xc90 R design myself and I can tell you, that car will blow any luxury suv out of the water on reliability alone. At that price we could’ve bought any one of them and we chose reliability over badges. This is coming from a BMW owner too. Audi starts making reliability a priority and then we can talk. All these light gimmicks?! Idk, tricks are for kids is how I see it.
@tanaytoshniwal8518
3 жыл бұрын
Bang and Olufsen System for Audi Q7 is far better
Our xc90 is so fantastic. Never regret buying it.
Really like your compare/contrast reviews - they touch on those features most consumers would consider important presented objectively, free of bias. Esthetically both are beautiful cars with similar features - one can easily check elsewhere for reliability & maintenance issues. Great job, guys!
I've never been a big fan of Volvo cars up until last year. But something about this XC90, I'm just loving the look of it. I'm actually looking at getting one of these one day.
As a Volvo XC90 owner, I will admit the Q7 was on my short list vs the Volvo back in 2017. This 2020 Q7 definitely has the edge in powertrain performance along with its Google Earth maps and navigation. Too bad the boys didn't choose a Bowers & Wilkins audio equipped XC90 Inscription trim which would have been worth 2 points on its own. Lastly, Volvo still offers free Over the Air vehicle software and infotainment updates and free downloadable navi map upgrades.
@MrRover30
3 жыл бұрын
I was in the same boat as you. I was literally test driving the Q7 in 2017 and the paper work was all about complete accept for my signature. Durning the test drive I seen for the very first time the Crystal white pearl Volvo XC90 Inscription at a red light and was thinking thats a Volvo? The way the detail of the chrome and smooth front end and the Pearl came together. 2 days later I was driving one! Since they were fairly new around that time and people were not sure how the 4 cyc. Was going to hold up. But it’s a champ. I mostly drive around in dynamic mode and the Bowers can make you feel like your at a concert! Lease is up and now I’m thinking about the 21 S90 Inscription Recharge which replaces the T8!
@ivanlowjones
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrRover30 I was looking at a well optioned Q7 Premium Plus that stickered for about $600 more than my XC90 T6 R-Design. That Q7 lacked air suspension, the top of the line audio system, auto self parking, and the full suite of driver and safety aids, which were only available on the Q7 Prestige trim (about $10,000 more). My XC90 came with all those options.
@ivanlowjones
3 жыл бұрын
@Jesus Anaya 42,000 miles approximately. No major issues so far.
@ivanlowjones
3 жыл бұрын
@Jesus Anaya These new generation of Volvo's are designed in Sweden and built in Europe with the exception of the S90 and hybrid XC60's. Geely funds Volvo's R&D and is fairly hands off otherwise from what I've read. Most Volvo's will be built in the U.S starting next year in South Carolina.
@HarryH187
Жыл бұрын
@@MrRover30 How satisfied are you? I read comments that they are very unreliable. I was planning to buy a used one in R Design 2018 year, but I'm starting to think twice...
Volvo for sure, only thing that disappoints me about the Volvo is the I-4 engine, definitely had to wrap my head around that one
This is THE MOST comprehensive, thorough, detailed comparison I have EVER seen. You two guys do an INCREDIBLE job of putting vehicle against vehicle, and you should be EXCEPTIONALLY proud of this video. I'm more of an Q5 / XC60 buyer (and forgive me, but I just can't buy a Mexican-built Audi, no matter how wonderful), but you've given me the BEST, most PROFESSIONAL comparison between Audi and Volvo that I've ever seen. THANK YOU, GUYS. You're both just amazing!
@CarConfections
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, George! We really appreciate the kind words! 😁
With no offense intended for the Car Confections Channel, when you're spending that kind of money for a car, you really need to do the footwork and test drive the cars you are interested in. I find my tests indicated a far higher score for Volvo than Audi. That is surprising for me, as I was more interested in Audi than Volvo. As it was I got involved in the OSD (Over Seas Delivery )program with Volvo. I ordered the Xc90 and (planned) to picked it up in Sweden - Gothenberg and was taking a two week vacation then dropping it off and they would then deliver it to my dealer.This including round trio air fare, one night in a 5 star hotel and dinner along with a brunch and a tour of the factory with a substantial money savings to boot. Due to the Covid-19 issue things came to a grinding halt in March. I have since picked up the car at my dealer and I'm very happy with my choice
@bighands69
3 жыл бұрын
It really comes down to personal choice. I like the X90 looks but would prefer the drive of the Audi and I prefer Audi as a brand but it is all about personal choice. I am not into the whole sporty feel of cars that everybody bags on about in reviews and just prefer the more planted and smooth drive of a car especially for a family car.
The volvo looks sooo much better imo.
@prithvi.m3919
3 жыл бұрын
What in the world are you saying Audi is superior in everything, the Volvo is gay
@Sunedosa
3 жыл бұрын
@@prithvi.m3919 Are you 12 years old ? If you're an adult calling a car gay i feel sorry for you.
@yes8032
3 жыл бұрын
Prith I gotta agree whit you I’d choose audi (just my opinion)
@tesla_models
3 жыл бұрын
@@prithvi.m3919 you are a gay
@wyattoutlaw2370
Жыл бұрын
The Volvo has better seats … that’s about it.
I love the speed of this review. Very useful content. 👍🏼Thank you.
@CarConfections
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed!
I was in the market deciding between these two but finally went with the XC90. Audi definitely has more tech and is performance oriented. The Volvo has good power too if you drive it in the dynamic mode. It all came down to two factors the design and comfort. I absolutely loved Volvo's design, sleek and sexy on the outside and so minimalist on the inside and the deciding factor was the those Volvo seats which were so damn comfortable and the cabin was so quiet I loved it.
@pathological-liar
Жыл бұрын
How is it holding up for you now?
@varunmenon474
Жыл бұрын
@@pathological-liar love the vehicle, no complaints.
Just bought the XC90 and love it. Curious to know if the Q7 has the hands free sensory to the rear hatch or a program like Volvo on Call. I love being able to control features from my phone and the nice reminder that my “Doors are unlocked.”
Currently have both ... XC 90 all the way
Awesome comparison guys! This one was one that I really didn’t know how it was going to end! By the way, y’all are awesome! Any updates on the keying situation or the bee situation?😸😻😸
@CarConfections
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! If you check the end of the Elantra owner update, we talk about the resolution of the bee situation
@ryanfrisby7389
4 жыл бұрын
Yep, I hear about the smell! Have they been back though?
I just got my 2017 Volvo S90 T6 inscription with the bower n Wilkins the sound is amazing not only that the CD player is in the console different but beautiful
@bighands69
3 жыл бұрын
I have a Lincoln Continental and it is amazing to drive, sit in and listen to. All hail capitalism and the choices we are given.
Reliability and over-all ownership experience superiority goes to Volvo. All Volvo enthusiast and owners would agree. Thanks for the great review guys!
Just bought a 2019 XC90. Has everything for its trim level, got a really great deal in a T6 Momentum. Other than not having the Inscription leather and sound system, it has everything else. Well, doesn’t have the air ride suspension, but I’ve had that on other cars and I just never really “needed” it. Love this car so far, Volvo has been good for us.
@m.8442
3 жыл бұрын
Air suspension is the only thing that the Volvo needs
@pyrocat14
3 жыл бұрын
We up grade our T6 momentum AWD with Bower & Wilkins sound system and it is mind blowing.
I've owned a 2015 Q7 3.0 tdi and now own 2017 T8 inscription. I had to change for low emissions regulations. Imho the Volvo is much more balanced to drive and the pickup on the T8 is way better. Running costs the XC90 wins again. I like to try the Q7 Etron.
xc90 all day. That grill btw looks so bad on that Audi oef
@siggelindell1931
3 жыл бұрын
and the fake exhausts
@joshualutzelschwab3143
3 жыл бұрын
@@siggelindell1931 volvo has fake exhausts too😂. They always put big squared ones on the outside but if you look closely the real exhaust stops earlier and is small and round and not connected to the big ones outside. Almost every luxury car brand does that nowadays
I would have subtracted 3 points from Audi just for all that fingerprint magnet gloss finish! Not that the Volvo didn't have it, but across the entire damn dash?!
Oh yeah!!! Can’t wait to watch this!
You guys ever consider doing a nighttime review to highlight exterior & interior lighting (including ambient)? Some of the higher end models like you’ve been reviewing are spectacular at night - I was with a friend in an Audi the other night - illuminated interior gauges, buttons and ambient accents knocked my socks off - might be another thing you guys could fold in somehow -like an extra few minutes to your already great reviews. Just a thought.
@CarConfections
4 жыл бұрын
We have thought about it.. but our current equipment seems to struggle with the lighting situation. We might try some other options like dusk or dawn to see if that works better
@johnroberts9823
4 жыл бұрын
Understand - with whatever camera, those interior ambient/backlights would really pop in some models; you guys do good work - keep it going!
Hi Drew and Mason 🙂. I'm leaning toward Volvo here because it's the only Swedish brand left since Saab discontinued. Volvo to me has always been a unique brand that's different from its rivals, different in a good way. I'm so looking forward to the content you two have coming to your channel this week.
@user-Timothy1
4 жыл бұрын
there is also Koenigsegg
@natetarbox6660
4 жыл бұрын
tim I don’t think the average person can afford a Konninsegg 😂
@user-Timothy1
4 жыл бұрын
you are right!
@natetarbox6660
4 жыл бұрын
tim Hahhaha I wish I could have one tho. Just me and my Grandmas old VW Jetta. 😂
@kevink2218
4 жыл бұрын
Except Volvo is now owned by the Chinese.
Thank you for this very informative video. 👍👍👍
I love my 2020 Volvo XC 90. I did consider Q7 but Volvo won. Thank you Keystone Motors in Doylestown, PA
What was the db level? Which one was quieter!
Thanks guys, it was very interesting presentation comparing those two vehicle. Definitely Volvo is the best ever! Even looks more comfortable indoor.
Q7 is becoming more of an estate with every upgrade.
I'd prefer the XC90 as it's interior looks more richer to me. The piano black in the Q7 looks like it will be hard to keep clean and will get scratched easily.
@bighands69
3 жыл бұрын
Audi produces beautiful interiors as well.
The AUDI Q8 is a different animal. I love to see a comparison too?
I bought the Telluride Nightfall Edition over the two! And I’m so glad I did!🤗
@Lendingyourlight
3 жыл бұрын
Telluride is beautiful but no comparison because it’s not in “ luxury “ class and it’s just a Hyundai that will die at 100k miles that’s why I returned my 2020 Palisade and bought a Q7
The new Q7 looks like the original Q7 I love that
@joecool9739
4 жыл бұрын
@Chezzamaine Youre blind then
@prabeeshsidhu
3 жыл бұрын
Good catch
due to incentive for hybrid CKD in my country,XC90 T8 Incription Plus (highest spec with 19 speakers) priced at just 60% of Q7.so for me definitely XC90.
@MrSpchew79
3 жыл бұрын
In Malaysia, the old model (not the latest model shown in above video) Audi Q7 3.0 TFSI quattro sold at MYR600k. Volvo XC90 T8 Inscription sold at MYR410k. BMW X5 top spec at MYR440k. So it's pretty easy choice to make.
@bighands69
3 жыл бұрын
The VW Touareg is really nice as well and offers hybrid.
In the future could you play the same song in each car so it's easier to compare the difference.
that is a pretty big difference in terms of scores (a 20% difference).
After seeing this video and the comparison video between XC90 vs Q7, I purchased XC90 2020. I love the SUV but I am really disappointed by the cabin voice level. At the intersection with engine turn off I can hear all the cars passing by and even going on the highway at speed of 75mph I can hear most of the noise from the road. I traded in my 2015 MDX for XC90 and MDX had much better noise level. I got my XC90 checked at the dealership to make sure that there was nothing wrong with my XC90 but they said that this is the general noise level from all XC90s. I want to ask you guys am I suppose to hear all the cars passing by when I am standing at the intersection with the engine turned off?
Excellent comparison. I prefer the appearance of the Volvo, inside and out. The rest is so close as it makes no difference.
@CarConfections
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
We own a Audi Q7 2020 it’s a very nice comfortable car!
@marionlogan6069
3 жыл бұрын
It seemed he went out of his way to gush over the Volvo, almost turned me off from watching.
Guys thank you for this review. No one did such a advance review as you did, exactly what I was looking for and the result it was as I expected win for the Volvo. Please continue with similar reviews. (Subb’d)
@CarConfections
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks and glad you enjoyed! Welcome to the Car Confections family! 😁
We have Volvo XC90 D5 (235 hp diesel), bought new back in January 2018 and it's really great with economy (open road 7.2 L / 100 km or about 32 mpg). I just drove it this evening without any destination in mind and was just enjoying Bowers & Wilkins sound. It's out of this world when your sound comes from 19 speakers, each and every one of those sounds isolated in perfect harmony. What I dislike about it is 4 stroke engine. It needs 6 or 8 cylinders to be proper SUV. That's the only reason why I was looking at Audi, or to be specific at SQ7 4.0 TFSI. Only problem holding me back is second thing I dislike about Volvo, residual... I probably lost over 50-55% in these almost 4 years of ownership, and on top of sale value, I'd need to add almost full price of brand new standard Volvo to get in SQ7, only to face another residual nightmare in few years time. Leasing is not option for me. So far, I decided not to change anything and keep enjoying my XC90 with less than 50k kilometers on clock (it's my second/third car, mostly used for trips, etc.)
What options do you have on the Q7?
I'm from Brazil and left my like
Right now these are my two favorite brands.
Owned both but I prefer the Q7. More comfortable solidly built.
gle,q7,xc90, aviator, rx350..shopped, test drove....bought xc90 at the end. here is my thought all of them are good car, just personal preference at the end.
In the long run, for the money and overall value, I gotta go with the Volvo. And I could do without some options at the price level shown to take the price down even further if there's any.
Q7 tail light , front light are so cool 😎
I had Escalade,bmw,Mercedes,Audi,Volkswagen.gmc,ford,navigator most likely everything on the market,and I only keep them no more the 2 year’s but with the xc90 inscription 2017 I bought it in 2017 and is been 5 years and I will keep it for more years it’s classic beautiful Run perfect inside us beautiful outside is beautiful,
Can we compare the XC90 electric package with the Tesla?
“Now let’s see how they drive”.".. goes down a one way in the wrong direction. 😂😂
The costly repairs for the turbo charged and super-charged Volvo engine will be interesting and fun to when it start having issues. Only reason why I avoided getting one.
In Europe the xc90 2020 car is mild hybrid, what car would you rather be in in the event of a crash? The Volvo.
@bighands69
3 жыл бұрын
Audi has excellent safety as well. Volvo is still a preference though for safety. If Volvo could just increase their reliability a fraction they probably will dominate the luxury market.
Kindly get some comparisons of Range rover sports 2020 and BMW x5
You guys do great reviews. I agree the Volvo comes out very slight ahead of the Audi. My only criticism is awarding the amount of points on the price difference at this level of vehicles. I don't think the price is difference is as much of a differentiator for people buying these types of vehicles. I would reduce the amount of points awarded for price differences when the prices are above $60,000 or make it proportional to the price.
@CarConfections
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! We've actually just made an adjustment after this video to change the price points to be proportional to price 👍
Q7 👍👍👍👍
I'm sure my Volvo days will come eventually when I'm 60+, but as of now, I'm happy with my Q7.
Love the review but you must tell me the name of the second track you played when comparing sound systems.... :-)
Nice comparison, however you should throw the 2020 BMW X5 into the mix with the 3rd row.
@sobc2737
2 жыл бұрын
X5 has three rows?
yall have the 2023 comparisons?
Nice video 👍👍
@CarConfections
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
3 things that the Volvo wins in that are not mentioned in this review are: 1- Crash test safety. the XC90 is the safest car in the world 2- Offroading capabilities. The XC90 can literally take you anywhere and I myself first hand tried my T6 XC90 in the Kuwaiti desert many times 3- on the XC90 inscription trim you can get the 19 speaker B&W sound system which is the first of its kind in the world and it is better than any other car i have tried.
@ievastrupaite3906
3 ай бұрын
Do you have a source to share that VOLVO is the safest car? Very interested
You guys did a really great job side by side. Like that. We bought a 2019 XC90 last year and after a year of ownership we are still absolutely in love. That little 4 cyl. Has no problem on the Autobahn Here in Germany. By far one of the most comfortable cars owned. So far we only needed an oil change and quick recall update on the auto brake /self driving function. When the roads were wet or the sun very bright it did try and steer you into the Jersey walls.
@DerLangolier
3 жыл бұрын
@Jesus Anaya so far after a year it's just fine. Although we only have like 17,000km or 10k miles. It's still very smooth shifting... We took it on a trip up north this summer about 10 hours each way. Was a joy. The only issue we did have was with the auto driving function wanting to drive me into a wall. But that was a known issue and corrected by a recall this spring. 😁
Audi Q7
@nycbball8
3 жыл бұрын
All day
Drive an XC90 hybrid. It’s my favorite car I’ve ever had. So happy with it.
Audi is more exclusive and special.. I like its stout-muscle looking side and the low profile. Engineering is much better ofc also..
Volvo looks more majestic and very comfortable.
@rphonk6712
Жыл бұрын
Fr
There is a wireless charger in he XC90 but it is hidden underneath the walnut rollback that hides the cupholders as well.
@rawamothoa9935
2 жыл бұрын
And my son asked if it was to recharge the key…..He is 8
Really I love VOLVO XC90....super fantastic exterier and intiries design....💞💞💞💞💞💞Super Classy look
plz make a video on acura mdx vs audi q7
Why the dislikes? It was a great comparison, big thumbs up from me.
@CarConfections
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad you liked it 😁
I’d take the maintenance record and costs of the Volvo vs. Audi any day. Owned two Volvo’s...never had issues.
I love the XC90!
can you compare the resale value?
XC90 all day long for me. I agree with your accessment as well. Thanks guys, very informative.
@CarConfections
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked the comparison 👍
Before I start watching, I know the XC90 will win
I go for Q7 🌻😁 It will not let you down 👍
I just junked my xc90 with 175k miles on it. There are so many reviews for brand new cars. How many people are spending 75k on a car? I want to know how well these cars are after 100k miles.
I almost got the Audi q7 but ended up getting the volvo xc90
You haven’t spoke about the massage seat in Volvo.
Can you do a t8 inscription vs a aviator reserve2.
@CarConfections
4 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty good idea!
does mercedes gls have remote parking
Love from my heart
For the next video do Infiniti QX60 vs Honda Pilot 2020
@reuben7
4 жыл бұрын
A "luxury" suv vs a normal suv? Why, you might as well just do the pathfinder since they are identical interior wise.
Audi design is messy. That front grill looks hideous. Some would day downright ugly. Looks cheap compared to the Volvo. The XC90 on the other hand looks elegant and exudes class.
@onelove3748
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed! that front looks like someone went too far with the plastic surgery... and nobody’s told her yet. 😹
The VOLVO EXCELLENCE is very nice
I bought q7 because of you guys, thanks a lot
@CarConfections
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to help! Congrats on your Q7!
The Volvo top trim is the T8 recharged inscription not the T6 inscription
VOLVO XC90😍
you missed the electric rear seat fold-down and quotro AWD which is the best in the world for snow and bad weather.
@manu144x
3 жыл бұрын
It’s just a stupid Torsen diff, a lot of other cars use it, it’s not ‘the best’.
GooooooooooD Job
I can understand that q7 is better mecanicalz , but between those 2 would go for Volvo in a heart beat . This design is like an old wine
After 20.000 miles with the XC90 I never achieved anything close to the announced consumption. I simply do not drive WLPT test, but real life. Electric power is just good for 10-12 miles, then you just have a front wheel drive small engine iwth big turbo reaching just 18 MPG when never exceeding 85 mph. Except the fake consumption, there are many more things related to the concept so different from the Q7, you do not mention. Given the low availability of the electric power (range and shut-down at 75 mph), the reliably available power is not 400 hp but only the 300 from the petrol engine, and this only after waiting 2 full seconds for the turbo delivering pressure. Given that on this kind of car you need power not for the racetrack or the quarter mile but in unpredicted situations (e.g. passing slow vehicles on short distance, moving-on on crossroads), the real feeling of power remains that of a much too small engine for the car. Adding to that, the 4 cylinder is built in cross, this means power is assymetric and when you finally manage the 300 hp to wake up, they all pull on the front wheels in an unpredicted direction and you have to keep them on track. But, you are right, the seats are ok, but this is not enough for a money you can get a real V6 or V8 with real 4WD.
@bighands69
3 жыл бұрын
The consumption is not fake it is optimum meaning the best that could be achieved.
What about towing?
Хорошее сравнение, сравните еще Audi diesel etron vs XC90 T8 гибридный
I don't know why everyone say Audi has the best quality... Lolz... It's 75 Grand and it has plastic all over.... Cheapp...
@ca2blink266
3 жыл бұрын
I think so too, audi, bmw, has very expensive optional prices also relevant
@onelove3748
3 жыл бұрын
Cartik that goes for bmw too. I know from experience freaking cheaply made bs