Watching that almost-wraith commit suicide was painful

Always good to see Wesnoth getting some love! The amount of work they have put in an open source game is amazing. This makes me feel like playing some more! i keep coming back to it from time to time. Very nice match and commentary!

Hah, nice to see some good, old Wesnoth again. Has been playing it for like 13 years on and off, though never got great in 1v1s

I find it odd that both sides were Red. Nice to see some more Wesnoth content though!

Have you considered doing playthrough of a campaign? Really loved the praythrough you did few years ago and would love to see more.

Nice seeing battle of wesnoth back

matto really happy to see this! xD

Hahaha that's end is pure comedic ❤😂 No offence ,funny game , thanks for sharing.

Yes! Yes! Oh yes! I knew it was worth coming back here every now and then just in case Wesnoth returned! (sorry for not watching your other videos and streams, I'm just not interested in the games covered. Still, I'm happy you're still going and have no signs of "channel death")

I think you guys are overestimating how good Ghost/Wraith is against Loyalist. All loyal units except merman resists to arcane, so they don't deal too much damage, which means drain is pretty weak too. It's easily the worst matchup for ghosts. Mages melt them without trouble, doesn't really matter if it has 18 or 25 hp, but also other units do pretty well against that, like Horsemen, they can often take down ghosts without help from mages at day. The cav infestation was cleared up, the game turned into a straight battle with everybody on their side of the map, so the ghost no longer had any value in clearing up and trapping cavs. Meanwhile at that point the only real threat Loyalist had, that could potentially turn the game back around, were the Mages, and he didn't have all that many of those, certainly not as many as he should've. So giving away that ghost, that already served its purpose, was indeed a worthy trade for a mage. Even then, the mage had to hit 3/3, which had a below 50% chance, if that didn't happen, it would've taken at least another unit, and then it's 2 for 1. What happened in that situation was pretty much the worst case scenario, and that was a ghost for a mage, which can be considered even at worst. If the ghost did level up, the Shadow would've been a much better choice in that matchup and situation. Wraith is an extremely powerful unit, game changing against Northerners and Knalgans. It's just not that scary vs Loyalists.

Whoo!

Did the loyalists have a severe iron shortage and just not recruit heavy infantrymen? Huge advantage against skeletons

@lelieutenant7386

6 ай бұрын

that may be the only match up where heavys are somewhat good... I wouldn't have used them for all sort of reasons starting with their passive nature and lack of movement.

more repalys!

I hear you on questioning the cav choice but let me ask you the follow up question that you failed to consider. What other option did he have? As far as recall mages are the only Loyalist recruit that do a damage type that skellies don't resist. And they're squishy and more expensive than cav. Horsemen, spearmen and bowmen all do piercing damage so from a cost efficiency stand point skeletons just mulch them. The cav's blade damage is only slightly resisted by skellies and they resist blade, arcane and cold. So melee skellies and dark adepts do less damage against them. Combine that with their mobility and they honestly seem like his best option.

@GeneralConfusionPlays

2 жыл бұрын

I talked about that a little bit, actually; I would have expected to see a few Heavy Infantry and Fencers, then Spearmen or Cavalrymen used in a primarily defensive role to soak damage on good terrain. HI are vulnerable to Dark Adepts of course, but they beat up skeletons very efficiently, and Fencers are good Adept-hunters because they can ignore ZOC to pass through skeleton lines or achieve flanking attacks.

@sr71silver

2 жыл бұрын

I forgot fencers. Would probably have been better to trade out some of the cav for them.

@sr71silver

2 жыл бұрын

@@GeneralConfusionPlays Honestly I completely forgot recruitable HI exist. You don't see them often in campaign which is what the vast majority of my playtime is. I thought they were one of the umpteen million things spearmen can level into.

I think the Loyalist player lost very early on when he decided to go heavy on horsemen and cavalrymen, which are ineffective vs the skeletons. It feels like that the loyalist player has the single player campaign mindset - you can savescum and level up powerful cavalry units but in multiplayer, basic concepts like resistance and army composition are key. Like where are the heavy infantries? They straight up murder the skeletons by bonking them. Are they not allowed in this game?

I wonder if the ghost sacrifice was to try and distract the mages so that the skeletons are clear to grab the cavalryman from underneath. The plan didn't work, but maybe there was a plan there? I suppose we've all made silly plays at some point though!