Thanks for all the support on the GoFundMe for victims of the recent tragedy

@jamarieharry1805

4 жыл бұрын

Do a verses video reapers mass effect vs vong from star wars

@st-wf7pe

4 жыл бұрын

Bro feel so sorry for all those people

@darthgorthaur258

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Eck did you drop the volume around the 3min mark or is that just me ?

@aimeewinn3509

4 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t donate.

@SuperVoidBoyz

4 жыл бұрын

@@st-wf7pe I was so worried when I heard that there were gunshots reported in hammonds plains and hubley and burnside Dartmouth today. I thought we were gonna have an even worse tragedy today. But gladly it was false and the burnside thing ended up being 2 kids messing with an airsoft rifle.

Eck: Battleship carrier hybrids are great *Spacedock will remember that*

@chi7891

4 жыл бұрын

Useless Fox do you have a link to the spacedock video? I remember it and I want to rewatch it but I can’t find it

@UselessFox

4 жыл бұрын

@@chi7891 "Types of Sci-Fi Warhip" , more specifically the part where talks about carriers at 6:55 (timestamp included in link). Pretty sure he mentioned it in some other videos too but i cant remember off the top of my head. kzread.info/dash/bejne/nHyW2sabmbDVoMo.html&t=415

@lt.x-02s-wyvern25

4 жыл бұрын

@@UselessFox i think it was him complaining about when people make battleship carrier hybrids yet still name them i.e. battleships or supercarriers and also not liking the Jack-of-all-trades idea for warships in general

@-..._._-.

4 жыл бұрын

I thought you did the ( *eck* ) as a cough lol

@nathanbrown8680

4 жыл бұрын

Spacedock can't tell the difference between a destroyer and a battleship and has a pathological overspecialization fetish. The video Useless Fox linked is the most ignorant and misleading analysis of ship classifications I've ever seen. You can't call a club a spear in your fantasy novel and not come across as an idiot. Destroyer and Cruiser and Battleship and Corvette all have meanings and Spacedock has never bothered to learn what they are, ignoring centuries of real naval history in favor of compounding and spreading sloppy worldbuilding by people who don't know the difference between a destroyer and an armored cruiser.

You’re essentially describing Battlestars: rapid launch fighter and bomber wings, ground force/boarding units, missile and flak batteries, and a solid design for taking punishment for enemy engagements... or unassisted atmospheric reentry.

@GreenBlueWalkthrough

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing... To add, there's also the UNSC Infinity and some other halo ships, most ships from Gundam and plenty more I can't name right now. So I would say that ship classs that are similar to Battle Carriers are uncommon in Sci-fi I even have them in my Sci-fi Setting... It's a really good design if the faction can handle the cost.

@OrDuneStudios

4 жыл бұрын

@@GreenBlueWalkthrough Gundam Assault Carriers fit this but to a much smaller scale. The Wasp to BSGs Enterprise

@Duchess_Van_Hoof

4 жыл бұрын

Uhm, there is a Star Wars term for a large capital warship with its own fighter escort and planetary invasion force. The phrase is "Star Destroyer", the name specifically comes from being able to occupy a star system.

@swordsman1_messer

4 жыл бұрын

Duchess Van Hoof TIEs are crap for the space and tactical use they fulfill, and MonCal Star cruisers, which were originally civilian ships, have the same sublight speed as an ISD (and far slower than most of the craft it would be handling on a regular basis). On top of that, the Imperial II subclass is arguable worse than its predecessor because it trades out most of its point defense cannons for more capital ship turbolasers. It turns it from an all rounder into what amounts to an aviation battleship: a vessel that is absolutely crap in either role because it cannot sustaine as much damage or travel as far/quick, and the air wing is for show. The Tector is a better designed SD, because it acknowledges one of the actual strengths of the ISD (powerful primary armaments) and sticks with it, becoming what amounts to a linebreaker.

@dynestis2875

4 жыл бұрын

@@Duchess_Van_Hoof yeah but SW sucks now

hol up every CIS ship fills this role to a degree.

@freelancer1121

4 жыл бұрын

especially the lucrehulk and the providence dreadnought

@GeneralGrevious330

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@Litany_of_Fury

4 жыл бұрын

@@freelancer1121 The Lucrehulk isn't really designed for war but is still an extreme menace for any enemy. The Providence is on the high end of the CIS fleet and doesn't really achieve anything other ships can do better for price. Though I do think it makes the best flagship. I think the Munificent-class star frigate and the Recusant-class light destroyer really support each other well. The DH-Omni Support Vessel plays the role of the lucrehulk well but is considerably easier to deal with. They are just so good!

@Duchess_Van_Hoof

4 жыл бұрын

The lucrehulk is pretty much just straight up a huge carrier. The providence however, that one I can agree with.

@spetsnatzlegion3366

4 жыл бұрын

Ya but when your fighters are like half the size of the enemy ones you don’t need to worry about making masses of space for hangars And anyway the CIS has very few battleships - a lot were cruisers or frigates.

Battle Carriers? No no no, Eck. Battlestars. The TRUE battleship/carrier hybrid.

@rominkivela9351

4 жыл бұрын

So say we all

There has to be a holo-series called Battlestar Corellia

@davecrupel2817

4 жыл бұрын

That would be cool to see.

@firestorm165

4 жыл бұрын

You have my undivided attention

The term you’re looking for is Battlestar.

@TheDjbz

4 жыл бұрын

Surely you Jestin Only if you’re talking the 2005 series. The Original series from the 70’s had lasers and shields 😉

@LoneWulfHunter

4 жыл бұрын

So say we all

I can hear Spacedock rolling in his ship

@MCAroon09

4 жыл бұрын

In his spacedock

Eck: Battle-carriers are the best ship class Meanwhile, in our universe: *Failed Ise-Class conversion noises*

@themanformerlyknownascomme777

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, space is a very different place compared to the ocean.

You should do a series where you discuss some specific tactics and maneuvers that each faction used often, either in ground or space combat.

"I heard you were looking for a heavy cruiser with its own air wing." _"Yamato: Hasshin!!"_

@podemosurss8316

4 жыл бұрын

UCHUU SEEENKAAAN YAAAA-MAAAAA-TOOOOOO!

@trinhkhanh9864

4 жыл бұрын

Battleship. Yamato is a battleship

@gokbay3057

4 жыл бұрын

Japan in (late) WW2 tried to make Battleship-Carriers and Heavy Cruiser-Carriers. Did not work. They also converted Yamato's sister Shinano into a carrier. It became largest ship sunk by a submarine and accomplished nothing.

@podemosurss8316

4 жыл бұрын

@@trinhkhanh9864 It's a reference to an old anime in which they turn the Yamato into a spaceship (really)

@trinhkhanh9864

4 жыл бұрын

Podemos URSS Space BATTLESHIP Yamato. It's literally in the title? What are you trying to tell me? I watched them all, I know

#askeck: what would thrawn have thought of the separatists attack on coruscant

@robertnelson9599

4 жыл бұрын

What would Thrawn have thought of Palpatine's grand plan as a whole?

@ryansunderman8764

4 жыл бұрын

Robert Nelson well it worked so I can’t believe thrawn wouldn’t have thought it that bad, but his imperial plan im pretty sure thrawn was quite critical of If I remember correctly

@derrickstorm6976

4 жыл бұрын

Have*

@Charlie-js8rj

4 жыл бұрын

Bruh 7:23

@nighpaw4651

4 жыл бұрын

No ask eck

If Han flys it, it’s good

@bamboozlednoodle6513

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@averagedaredevilenjoyer5733

4 жыл бұрын

Big Pasta you must be fun at party’s

@owllegostopmotion7633

4 жыл бұрын

Well didn't he also fly s tie fighter

@averagedaredevilenjoyer5733

4 жыл бұрын

Big Pasta it’s sad

@haynesdevon0

4 жыл бұрын

@Big Pasta It is sad. I saw some other comments with spelling errors, go get em buddy.

I always laugh and shake my head when I hear someone call a 1000 meter ship "small".

@khadenallast4495

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@AbyssWatcher745

4 жыл бұрын

Well I mean by Warhammer40K standards 1000m ships are escort/frigate ships.

@khadenallast4495

4 жыл бұрын

@@AbyssWatcher745 Frigates are escorts, but regardless what's even the point of making ships that big? In the original Star Wars the ships were big for a reason, they were big to tell a story and showcase the might of the Empire. One of the first scenes shows a corvette essentially getting "swallowed up" by an ISD, that shows you how powerful the Empire is in that they're capable of building such massive ships. Then the Death Star, which has a super laser and looks like a small planet, goes ever further. The Executor's reveal in Ep5 was also a brilliant bit of storytelling. Remember audiences had no idea how powerful the Empire was back then, and we had just seen them lose the Death Star and main antagonist along with it (Tarkin, who remember was able to order Vader around). People at the time could be forgiven for thinking the Empire was weak and ready to fall by the end of Ep4. But then we see the TIEs, then all the ISDs (the TIEs being used to put the size of the ISDs into perspective), and then even those get dwarfed by the SSD. It shows that, far from being on death's door, the Empire still has plenty of firepower to throw around. So basically Star Wars had big ships to tell a story on screen. But when all your ships are several kilometers long, it starts losing its purpose. Especially if it's not being visually depicted.

@alexs7189

4 жыл бұрын

It all depends on the point of view, or the universe of reference, of course if we talk about the real world, it is obvious that a spaceship as tall as the tallest skyscraper under construction, and more than double the largest ship ever built by man, is still a monster.

@rylanfersieck2171

4 жыл бұрын

You gotta think relative, 1000m is kinda small when compared to the dozens of ships in star wars that breach 6000m+, no 1000m is not small when compared to a standard freighter, but put it next to a 13,000m dreadnought and its gonna look small

Fractalsponge's Impellor class Star destroyer is pretty much exactly what I think of with this class. I like the idea of a dedicated carrier that has enough firepower to also function as a secondary battleship, or off-tank to use mmo terms.

@alexs7189

4 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with you.

Had the best starfighters... Tie Defender: Am I a joke to you?

@khadenallast4495

4 жыл бұрын

To me, very much so yes. The TIE defend just makes everyone look incompetent at best.

@jayvhoncalma3458

4 жыл бұрын

Yes they were the best tie fighter variant but remember they got *Cancelled*

@young_dieg0301

4 жыл бұрын

@@jayvhoncalma3458 they were still in use during the second galactic civil war

@whee38

4 жыл бұрын

There was only ever like 50 of them. Part of being a good weapons system is actually having sufficient numbers to make an impact

@KuraIthys

4 жыл бұрын

@@whee38 Exactly. This very reason (And the fact that Germany had lost air superiority over it's own airspace by the time they were being deployed) is why the ME 262 was basically useless in practice even though it was capable of outperforming anything else at the time. (Also the design was flawed due to an insistence on making it capable of being a bomber as well). In any event you could have the best fighter in existence by a huge margin but if you've only got one of them, it's not going to win you any wars...

I kind of have an issue with the concept of a ship that is "good at everything, but expensive". The better the ship is at deploying starfighters, the worse it should be at other things, at least in my opinion. Adding a lot of hangar space means you'll also need to carry munitions and fuel, so you'll need more cargo space, so more weight... So to go faster you'd have to beef up the thrusters, which will be taxing on the reactor... on top of that the ship is bigger so you'll need to add more shield generators to cover the whole ship.... at this point anything you add on causes other systems to suffer: You can't have it all.

@OrDuneStudios

4 жыл бұрын

More empty space also means less armour.

@OrDuneStudios

4 жыл бұрын

And its actually rather hard to conduct flight ops and shoot at the same time.

@comicmoniker

4 жыл бұрын

While that's how I would write a work of fiction, it might not actually be reality - in space, one of the main limitations is power generation and subsequent heat disposal, but larger ships can do this more efficiently than smaller ships, because almost all of the factors you're talking about (shields, armor, weapon emplacements) increase with surface area, NOT volume. If you aren't bound by outside limitations, it's almost always going to be better to build bigger in space. Search youtube for Isaac Arthur, he can explain it better. Cost of construction and operation ARE something that scale with size, so they end up being the most reasonable limitations. If you look at our history, naval warships in WW2 and before were almost always limited by what countries were physically able to produce. It's hard to cast giant guns, it's hard to build a big enough drydock, it's hard to train enough skilled workers to build it on a reasonable timeline, and at the end of it all, it gets obsolete at the same rate as everything else, so you have to do it over again. These reasons were sufficient for real world militaries, they should work for sci-fi ones too. TL;DR: I agree in spirit, but at the end of the day cost is probably the real deciding factor

@kevingriffith6011

4 жыл бұрын

@@comicmoniker I think what I'm getting at is more: A ship that tries to be good at everything will never be ideal at anything. It will always be worse than a dedicated battleship or a dedicated carrier at being either of those things on the same scale. I guess if you wanted to sink a truly *vast* quantity of resources into a ship project though, you'd want it to be able to do everything.

@OrDuneStudios

4 жыл бұрын

@@kevingriffith6011 Depends on tye cost in comp to dedicated platforms. If a pair of cheeper carrier (combined cheeper) with more fighters and bombers, youd want to have ths carriers. Or if a Battleship with enough AA to clear the fighters could pummel the BCV into submission.

The Secutor is an incredibly badass design and needs more presence.

"The precursor to this line would be something like the Venator." *cries in Invisible Hand*

I would never say "never" in regards to cool Legends stuff coming back, as long as it's not something explicitly tied to that vision of the plot/lore, eg the Vong, etc.

Spacedock might have a few words on Battle Carriers for you. I don't agree with him on certain points, but I honestly think Battle Carriers just make the most sense for ships over a given size, depending on shape and configuration of the overall layout.

@nathanieleck1023

4 жыл бұрын

Personally, I think that a fleet with ships dedicated to a certain role will always be able to preform better than a fleet of hybrids. Because when you start to get good at fighter carrying, you need more space for ships, more engine power to move more weight, and more space for munitions and fuel. A dedicated battleship drops the space for all the fighter components and uses it to carry more guns. Not to mention, when your deploying fighters, they will normally interfere with your ability to fire your guns, so it’s often a choice of one or the other.

@DocWolph

4 жыл бұрын

@@nathanieleck1023 First, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Next, As I said, once you get over a given size, a ship has to have more than it one function. A Combat vessel miles long is going to be more than a Carrier or a Battleship. A battlecarrier simply takes advantage of the sheer amount of space available in the ship to have the power to be a battleship and the space to be a Carrier. Think the BattleStar Galactica. And if you start talking about The Pegasus, it was a carrier, a battleship , but also a mobile factory. And both ships were pushing a mile and over a mile long. It was generally more economical to build a massive ship that can do more than one thing. This largely because you don't have to build a totally new ship to carry mostly the same equipment. That does not mean you don't have smaller more specialized vessels. Spec built Battleship or Carrier would be demonstratively less big next to a Battle Carrier, but would be easily overwhelmed in a one on one engagement with a Battle Carrier. And that does not address the fact that regardless of the ship's size and capabilities, it will need support vessels. The battle carrier is literally the result of a mature space-faring civilization that can build with little restraint in space.

@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818

4 жыл бұрын

No they dont, because it completely forgets what carriers are for and why they work. The entire role of a Carrier is to be able to use its fighter and attack craft to be able to attack targets from well outside the range of conventional shipboard weapons. Its not to do silly Luke sky walker shenanigans to fly in close and attack the weak point the way fiction portrays it. But achieving this range comes at a hefty cost, the overall weight of explosives and firepower that a carrier can deliver compared to a similar sized battleship is a lot less. If a Carrier had to wait until it got into gun range before it could launch fighters, or battleships have some magical jump drive that allows it to jump into close quarters, Carriers would get utterly trashed before it could scramble a meaningful number of strike craft. Also if your spaceships are these mile long monstrosities, then under no circumstances are Fighters the size of WW2 fighter craft are going to be a meaningful threat. The only reason that settings like star Wars and BSG have these dinky WW2 sized fighters threatening mile long starships is because their power scaling is so totally out of whack and the writers dont have the slightest clue what square cube law is. 40k is one of the few settings that kinda gets this, they have multi mile long ships, so their dedicated star fighters are often bigger than Boeing 747's.

@nathanieleck1023

4 жыл бұрын

DocWolph, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHH on forever brother, but a few things. I will agree in space weapons are limited to surface area, but fighters, munitions, fuel, repair facilities, etc all take up weight. A lot of weight. Thus you need more powerful thrusters in order to maintain a decent speed. This now comes at the cost of the reactor, which in turn will create weaker shields and weapons fire, as it simply can’t put out as much power as it would like to. So as you get closer and closer to a dedicated carrier, you either have to begin stripping armor off to make the ship lighter, removing or lowering the power of weapons to put more power into the engines, or put on a larger engine and set of thrusters, which still hammers at the reactor. So when you make a battle carrier, it still comes with a lot of problems carriers come with, and that’s why I don’t like multi role ships. In your attempts to balance everything you end up either creating a really inefficient ship for its size or creating a ship that isn’t great at everything. Unless you start to get into the truly massive, like dreadnoughts, where nothing’s bothered to be optimized anymore because at that point why bother.

@nathanieleck1023

4 жыл бұрын

Ryuukei, as much as I love warhammer (AAAAAAAAAAAGGGHH), I must say, citing their naval combat doctrines is probably not the best idea, due to two main problems. Firstly, the ships have ramming prows. It’s epic as all hell, but I don’t feel I need to go over the problems with that. Secondly, with the average chaos or imperial ship (not necrons or tau, they can design better), the weapons are all mounted broadside, so you can never put the full weight of your weapons on a single target, and normally in an actual formation never be able to fire all your weapons at once anyway. And I love warhammer fighters, but even warhammer carriers are heavily armed and armored, just their weapons are all hyper long range, and they tend to be really slow.

Isn't this ship type (the do-everything ship) the one Spacedock hates the most?

@psyrus728

4 жыл бұрын

Scythe Seven well it’s not really the do-everything ship, it’s more like a carrier that can hold its own.

@scytheseven9173

4 жыл бұрын

@@psyrus728 Yeah, but I think Spacedock's whole point is that a battlecarrier/battlestar will be worse than a seperate battleship and carrier, because of lack of specialization.

@psyrus728

4 жыл бұрын

Scythe Seven oh I get that, but in my opinion a carrier that can’t hold its own really needs an entire defense fleet to protect it, or at least some cruisers, and a battle carrier would be more cost effective than a carrier, battleship, and support craft. It could fit more roles as well. Also a battle carrier could arguably do a battleships job better, similar to how ww2 carriers did everything battleships did. In a 1v1, a ship that can launch bombers and interceptors will win more.

@scytheseven9173

4 жыл бұрын

@@psyrus728 Part of the problem is that carriers in fiction are not like carriers in real life - in sci-fi, for instance, carriers are almost always stupidly close to an enemy fleet's guns, where in real life the whole point of a carrier is to project naval power from long distance, through fighters and bombers, without fear of retribution. The idea of a "battlecarrier" thus only has an advantage if strike craft need frequent rearmament or refueling (with the carrier able to survive closer to the battlezone, strike craft traveling time is reduced), which is manifestly *not* the case in Star Wars, where even Tie fighters can carry on in combat for a long enough time that refueling distance isn't an important factor.

@khadenallast4495

4 жыл бұрын

@@psyrus728 There are a few problems with your assessment. Firstly a ship that does everything will by its nature be larger and "heavier" (have more mass) than a specialized ship. It has to be, it not only carries weapons for direct combat but fighters and (probably, at least for Star Wars) a sizable number of infantry and armor. It needs more space for the systems themselves, for repair parts, for the greater number of crew, and for the supplies to feed said crew and keep the ship operational. That will generally REDUCE its survivability in combat, as it cannot hope to out maneuver a more specialized ship and/or fighters, and it presents a bigger target for them to shoot at. The second issue is the nature of space itself, it's big. The distances at which you can spot a target... realistically fighters just wouldn't have a purpose in space. Star Wars and a few others bypass this with some strange range-related issue with the weapons that requires all combat to take place at essentially knife-fight distances, when there should be tens/hundreds of thousands of kilometers/miles between the two factions. At such distances the battle would be over by the time the fighters even got to their target. Another issue is the compromise, and... oh boy, this is bad. For sake of example Ecks mentioned the Endurance and Nebula class from Legends and how it sorta fits what he calls a "battle carrier," but they're "small" at just over 1km in length. From what I could find in a quick search they only hold about 60 craft, which is *_LESS_* than a modern aircraft carrier that's not even 1/3 of the size. Factor in that a lot of the "snubfighters" in Star Wars are actually smaller than modern fighters, and it looks pretty bad. The Y-wing is generally a bit larger, but the A-wing is tiny by comparison. The X-wing and ARC-170 are close, but still a few meters shorter. So these ships are 3x the size of a real carrier, have craft that are generally smaller than real fighters, and yet still have a smaller compliment... For a "carrier," that's rather terrible. To put another way, there's a reason no nation has tried to duplicate the _Kiev-class_ "heavy aircraft cruiser" the Soviets produced, and why India retrofitted theirs into a full carrier when they bought one. You end up making a lot of sacrifices, and what you get back just isn't worth it.

This is why the Jupiter-class Battlestar is so great.

@Litany_of_Fury

4 жыл бұрын

It's kinda underwhelming compared to what star wars does for size, and falls into the same failings. Though I do like it's small crew when compared to the Empire, but there are other factions in star wars that just do it better.

@jamesp7987

4 жыл бұрын

@@Litany_of_Fury Yes, the ships in Battlestar are much smaller than those in Star Wars, but it's really impressive how versatile the Jupiter-class is.

@jamesp7987

4 жыл бұрын

​@@Arbyfig For damaging capital ships, I'd say that Star Wars' superheated plasma weapons are better because they can melt through the hull upon impact, causing significant structural damage. For point defence and flak screens, using gatlings that fire projectiles would be more effective. However, because Star Wars ships have particle shields, there wouldn't be any point in using projectile weapons against starfighters.

@khadenallast4495

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesp7987 Plasma would actually be an absolutely terrible weapon to use in space. The expansion rate is insane, and it would have to be held together by some kind of magnetic field. This field would be extremely easy to disrupt compared to the amount of energy required to keep the plasma contained in the first place, making it stupidly easy to defend against if you're anywhere near your opponent in terms of technology. Also did I mention the expansion rate of plasma is rather insane? It wouldn't melt through the hull so much as splash and evaporate against it, leaving scorch marks. For similar yet different reasons, this is also why nukes are rather terrible weapons in space. It doesn't produce a shockwave because there are no air particles to transfer the energy into, the fireball would flash into and out of existence in an instant, and all that you're left with really is the radiation. It's not like you can use a shaped charge with something as powerful as a nuke, so there's very little penetration into the ship itself (where it would do the most damage due to the ship's internal atmosphere). It should be noted that the "go to" for anti-armor is the shaped charge, which shoots a stream of molten metal into the target. To that end it should also be noted that while the metal has reached a hot enough temperature that it's in the liquid stage, it is pure kinetic energy and not heat that actually burrows into the armor.

@jamesp7987

4 жыл бұрын

@@Arbyfig Yes, that is true, I forgot to consider that because in space, a projectile could conserve its own momentum. However, the only way to bring down a ship's particle shields is to bring down its energy shields, and because particle shields are vulnerable to plasma-based weaponry, you could quickly do that once the energy shields are down. This is speculation but my inferred understanding is that starfighters can deal direct damage to the particle shields and eventually temporarily expose certain parts of the ship because they can slip underneath the energy shield bubble which was why, in Rouge One, the Y-wings were able to get an ion torpedo bombing run on one of the Imperial Star Destroyers which disabled it. So, although a heavy projectile battery could, in theory, deal a large amount of damage over a long range, the ship would have to get in close and, first, disable the ship's energy and particle shields before it could use the projectile weapon which makes having one impractical because you would already be at a close enough range to use your energy weapons by the time the weapon became useful. My explanation for what happened in TLJ is that the Raddus had a very large mass meaning that, as it was approaching the speed of light, its momentum was extremely high which was too much for even the particle shields of the Mega Star Destroyer to handle. Based on the dialogue from Captain Needa in Empire Strikes Back, "shields up" (or something to that effect) which suggests that when a Star Destroyer is not in battle it lowers its shields, presumably to conserve power or reduce the rate at which the shield components wear out from use. Therefore, a use of these long-range projectile weapons could be found on stealth vessels by firing a large projectile at a Capital ship from outside its sensor range and quickly damaging it, after which, the stealth vessel would quickly jump away. Making such a vessel good for hit and run tactics.

A converted Lucrehulk Battleship would've made a great mobile base of operations for the Rebels or mobile Paraxeum for the New Jedi Order. Considering the relative ubiquity of large vessels within the Star Wars universe, it's mind boggling how so many factions render themselves "planet vulnerable" to borrow a term from Frank Herbert's Dune.

@evanhenderson1760

4 жыл бұрын

Mike Vasquez I mean the rebels did that in canon at least, kind of

@UncleMikeDrop

4 жыл бұрын

@@evanhenderson1760 They used it as a battlecarrier (which sort of defeated the purpose of hypetdrive equipped starfighters) to attack the unfinished Death Star and it was then one-shotted by said unfinished Death Ster. If they had been smart, they would have done everything within their power to keep their Lucrehulk far away from any active engagement . They should've jumped it at closest, to the adjacent system, deployed the fighters from there, then jumped away to a predetermined rendezvous point programmed into their Astromech droids set to auto brain wipe in the event of capture or stranding. Even IF the Death Star superlaser had not been operational, a Lucrehulk would not have lasted long against an ISD.

@evanhenderson1760

4 жыл бұрын

@@UncleMikeDrop I was talking in canon where they used one as a mobile training facility

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2:19 is it just me or does the secutor look like a squinting mantis shrimp

@firephoenix8074

4 жыл бұрын

Kinda like a squinting Gungan ngl

@jaymikevillanueva1212

4 жыл бұрын

A very angry squinting Gungan.

I've now heard of so many great capital ships, each supported with great arguments. But I will forever consider the venator as the greatest capital ship ever, with the Arquitens in second and the Victory II in third. Don't argue me on this because it's not possible to argue with someone who doesn't listen to logic... ;)

@Red-S-267

4 жыл бұрын

See I’m not going to disagree. In EAW AOTR I have several fleets with three Venators each as the “flagship section”. But uh isn’t your number two a light cruiser? The ones usually supporting my Venators with anti fighter fire

@andorwid1880

4 жыл бұрын

Tucker Cooper didn't I say I wasn't bound the the chains of logic? Also, i wasn't talking about EAW but Star Wars in general

@Red-S-267

4 жыл бұрын

Andor Wid yeah. Mostly just a question because you went from attack cruiser to light cruiser

i just kinda realized something, and it irks me neither the first order or new republic have purpose built artillery, and to my knowledge, neither does the rebellion or empire

@denniswingo2004

4 жыл бұрын

SHIT.....YOU'RE RIGHT.

@jackthunderbolt4307

4 жыл бұрын

@Jared Hight stupid

@Audifaram

4 жыл бұрын

Who needs artillery when you have a star destroyer in orbit?

@Red-S-267

4 жыл бұрын

Like artillery in what sense? Cause the Empire definitely has some kind of SPAH based artillery if I remember correctly.

@jackthunderbolt4307

4 жыл бұрын

@@Red-S-267 very large caliber weapons that fire some sort of explosive ordance at far away targets, usually as infantry support.

That ship in the thumbnail is a beauty!

We don't know enough about the Mediator, Viscount, Galactic, and Blue Diver to really say how great they were. Thank the Legends authors who can't seem to be bothered to describe in depth the warships they're putting on page.

I really liked the Doomgiver from Jedi Outcast. Really cool design, I guess it would be more of a "siege" carrier with all its drop pods.

I hear your points against the Lucrehulk, and I agree with you as far as the converted freighters that you see in TPM. However, in RotS, the Lucrehulks you see above Coruscant are battlecarriers, built for war from the keel up so to speak. Their weapons, shields, and armor are much more effective than the freighters, and I would argue that the same would go for the maneuverability. A point for this is the tactics of the CIS. They utilize guerilla warfare, much like the Rebellion will use after them against the Empire. They hit and run, assemble here and vanish to appear over there. Many of their ships have very large propulsion suites, allowing them this ability. Since the class had a complete overhaul in the period leading up to the conflict, it stands to reason they didn't ignore the engines. Good video.

Emperor Palpatine vs The Halo 4 Didact

You made me love star wars more, and educated me so much. Thank you for being here Eck ❤

Would love to see what a Galactic-class or the Blue Diver would have looked like. I sure miss the Legends universe. It's a neat idea for a ship, though I think the fighter complements for larger Battlecruisers and Dreadnoughts would be a lot larger than what stats have been provided.

That thumbnail ship looks absolutely beautiful

I use Battlecarrier as well to describe Venators, Secutors, etc. etc. as well. Great video! EDIT: Slight correction: The Endurance-class carried 60 Starfighters plus two wings (a Rebel Fighter Wing was 36 fighters) consisting of one bomber wing with an escort, and a long-range fighter wing. Plus a squadron of Transports. The Nebula-class had 60 Starfighters and a Transport Squadron.

I noticed something about the Turbulent-class in LotF. When Pellaeon takes Daala on the tour of Bloodfin, the ship being described, is the Pellaeon-class. Smaller than an Imperial (1000m), with a much smaller crew and heavy automation. I almost wonder if the Pellaeon-class isn't a continuation of the Turbulent.

Thanks man; my Sister & my four young Nephews and Niece live over there. The Force will be with You; always. What do You think of StarWars Resistance? It took Me until Episode 5; but it's actually VERY well put together!! (I'm not a fan at all of the Disney StarWars; I have onle seen One Movie of the New Saga;but I gave it a chance a few days ago due to extreme boredom; and very:; VERY surprisingly was happily proven wrong on my prior negativity. (Reminding myself if Neeku.) If You can bear the first little bit; it's amazing. (Born '92 My StarWars will always be the Original Saga; Obi-Wan was My Only Hope too.)

Hey man, I love your vids, and i think the "dreadnaughts" video you made was really cool. i just have a question about it tho: how come all the cannons shown are just single turbolaser turrets?

One needs to remember that most of the CIS fleet weren’t designed as warships, but instead as armed transports/freighters, which is why most CIS ships had lots of large hangers, as these ships were designed to pick up, carry and offload cargo of various sizes. Combine that, with being designed to be able to operate safely in the most lawless sectors of the SW galaxy, and it’s easy to understand how they had a leg up when they started preparing for war, as they had several huge fleets that just needed various levels of upgrading while the Republic had to build an entire fleet, save for a bunch of lightly armed troop transports, diplomatic and patrol vessels

Could a Forerunner Fortress Class Dreadnought survive a blast from the BFG 10,000 from Doom Eternal? Which was so powerful that it caused a massive crater on Mars a thousand of kilometers in Diameter and it broke through the mantle of Mars reaching the core.

@Charlie-js8rj

4 жыл бұрын

7:23

@Tacet137

4 жыл бұрын

Nope the actual energy of something like that lies in teratons or mayby even petatons of tnt yield

Love ur vids man!!!

Hey Ecks, I know you said that the Venator was the precursor, but I would actually say that the Lucrehulk-class would be the best exemple, featuring plenty of heavy weaponry as well as carrying capacity for an incredible amount of starfighters.

Love the battle carrier idea! You just have to have decent fighters to go with it.

I've really liked the Nebulas, they were pocket star destroyers. In our world, I would assume they were closely akin to the pansershiffer cruisers developed by the Kriegsmarine, essentially pocket battleships like the Admiral Graf Spee or Deutschland; high firepower in exchange for lower tonnage. Although I really wish there were more dedicated carrier type ships in Star Wars. There's a lot of missed opportunities for cool ship design.

Great video, Battle Carriers sound like the star wars version of Battlestars.

love the vid

I don’t really understand why you focus on multi-role massive ships rather than fleets and battle groups constituted by a mixture of single-purpose ships of more manageable size. This is how modern naval fleets are constructed for a very sensible reason. If you have a squadron of battleships, a cluster of battlecruisers for scouting and raiding, and a core of one or more carrriers with a flotilla of support ships (escort destroyers, oilers, perhaps even relief ships and the like) you have a flexible fleet that can be deployed in a number of offensive or defensive postures and that can fight and defend itself as a cohesive unit. You most definitely don’t want to have to wade into an active combat area with a carrier and conduct delicate flight operations in the thick of intense enemy fire to which you will almost inevitably be exposed (because if you’re placing yourself in a range at which you can use your weaponry, you are almost certainly in the enemy’s weapons range too). Furthermore, at least in naval combat, aviation requires that one place oneself in for takeoff and landings in accordance with the direction of the wind, whereas a battleship will classically seek to bring its broadside to bear upon the enemy. The two are unlikely to coincide, and that’s yet another reason why the two roles should not be combined.

@alexs7189

4 жыл бұрын

More or less I agree with you, I think that a good fleet is made up of various elements. A flagship, some Dreadnoughts, equipped with super weapons, some aircraft carriers, which in practice are hangars that fly, many fighters of course, some heavy cruisers, some frigates in anti-starfighter versions, and instead of the normal cruisers, which would be the backbone of the fleet.

When u say “battle carrier,” I always think of a carrier/battleship hybrid, which I absolutely loath. A ship should focus almost entirely on one role or the other, otherwise it just won’t b as effective as a “purebreed”. Furthermore, a hybrid won’t b able to effectively launch and recover fighters effectively while slugging it out with enemy ships at the same time. Not to mention carrying all that ordnance and fuel for fighters makes it extremely vulnerable. A great example of this is the battle at Teth, when Anakin and Ashoka were trying to land on that Venator but couldn’t due to the hangar taking a direct hit (granted it was droid star fighters that did the damage but it could’ve easily been a shot from a warship). U don’t deploy carriers into direct combat like that no matter how heavily armed and armored they r. Their sole job is to just sit at the rear of the formation and support the fleet with its air wing

@nathanieleck1023

4 жыл бұрын

This is kind of why I like the hangars on large imperial ships. They’re all either underslung or positioned on the sides. This is so that the fighters may get out without getting in the way of the firing crew. This however, was because those ships were dedicated battleships who also had fighters, enough fighters to keep other fighters off of them, but more than enough guns to destroy whatever ship was carrying them.

@lightspeedvictory

4 жыл бұрын

Sly Marbo while that might b true, I was never a fan of them. While u might b protected from enemy fire, flight operations r extremely difficult, especially during emergency operations. When launching u would hav to conduct an extremely sharp maneuver to avoid hitting the mothership. And recovery is just as bad.

@nathanieleck1023

4 жыл бұрын

Wisky Docent, it’s not super sharp, and the tie fighter was luckily perfect for extremely tight maneuvering, and lets face it, imperials weren’t great at “recovering” pilots.

@michaelhanson8296

4 жыл бұрын

One response....the Lucrehulk(late war variant)

@nathanieleck1023

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Hanson, even then, the lukrehulk was much more a carrier than a warship, it could take a beating and field hundreds if not thousands of fighters and stage an invasion, but it had very little weapons to back it up for a ship of its tonnage.

I always had a fantasy of a Super Star Destroyer design based around the Night Hammer. The automation to decrease crew size and her "stealth armor" would make it very expensive, but I would also gut the ship even further and not only increase her hangar space to carry even more fighters, but also a built in fighter production factory that can build the TIE/d robotic fighters. If the World Devastators were able to do it, why not a SSD? By using robotic fighters you decrease the crew size even further and you can build your own replacements. This may mean you have to do some asteroid mining yourself to get the resources you need, but again the SSD has the space to possibly do this. This probably wouldn't work in a logical and practical sense, but I always felt that the SSD's size gave it many options for varieties. Though with it's huge expense, it was probably cheaper to just build many ships under one design.

So, in my head is a brand new version of the Venator built during the New Class Modernization project. It has the latest starship tech such as shielding, armor, weapons, engines, the works. Loaded with new style fighters, and with a slightly better weapon placement to cover more arcs, perhaps with some missile tubes like a Victory. I bet that'd work pretty well.

In Space Battleship Yamato, Gamilas Empire has a battle carrier and it's one of my favorite ship of the series. It's a carrier that the runway section of the ship can rotate 180 degrees into a batteries of laser cannon, It's awesome and many Star Wars ships designers should take this ship as some inspiration for some original/fan-made design. (in Yamato​ 2199, the ship is named "Darold"​ and the class of this ship is called "Gelvades Class Astro Battlecarrier")​

@alexs7189

4 жыл бұрын

Beautiful ship, from the series, congratulations on your tastes.

I wonder when Eckhart is gonna post a video saying he’s been drafted into the space force as a tactical analyst

@alexs7189

4 жыл бұрын

But he is Canadian, he is not American.

Wait, there are actual designs for the mediator out there? Would love a chance to finally see those ships

The new update to Thrawns revenge on EaW has both the mediator and the heavy carrier really worth using as they are otherworldly 👌🏻

Aside from joining the Battlestar chorus, surprised the World Devastators didn't get a mention- given they can literally create their heavy droid TIE wings, and most of their force projection is put toward creating craft, but it can hold its own in a fight (and woe be the ship that gets in range of the energy conversion matrix)

Beautiful thumbnail

So, I think there are two / three schools of thought, on the one hand you could think of having a ship that acts both as an aircraft carrier and as a ship made to fight other ships. Another option, and that of using aircraft carriers, which are essentially hangers that fly, and then have other ships, which may perhaps carry very few fighters, or even anyone, specializing in ship-to-ship combat. As an other option, if one has fighters that have a warp engine, such as resistance fighters, one does not need an aircraft carrier, and only have ships to fight other ships, and smaller, anti-fighter vessels in operation.

I do like the phrase Battle Carrier that seems to have popped up in later years and in my view a ship that is a hybrid of a carrier and either battle cruiser or a battleship would qualify. The Imperial would do so if it dropped half a legion of stormtroopers, ironically that ship is probably underpowered for its size. On that note, I know that Star Destroyer is supposedly a size category in universe but its so uneven and unclear that I designate the ISD and every SD upwards from there as a battle cruiser. While I view the Victory and Venator as cruisers.

Hey eckhart, could you please do more videos about the political situation in the galaxy, economic policy etc and how that affected the galaxy cheers

Eck, so your perfect capital ship for Star Wars is the Midway from Wing Commander Prophecy? Sweet. Perfect time to suggest a VS. of Kilrathi vs Empire.

@Euripides_Panz

4 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see Imperial troops try to take on Kilrathi soldiers.

What combat footage are you using in the later parts of the video I've never seen it before?

Battleship Carrier hybrid? Sounds a lot like the Battlestar Galactica. It makes sense. You want the best of both worlds: the fighter squadrons of a dedicated carrier, but the weaponry and durability of a battleship. Usually, they don't go together in the same ship, so you get specialised ships like the Endurance and the Nebula, which together form the two halves of the fighter and capital ship equation. The Secutor is a good ship, as it has a good amount of weapons, a lot of hangar space, and its quite durable. Plus, it is arguably the most elegant Imperial designed ship out there.

Hey Eck, you had the image of Galactic-class battle carrier (fan-made one, but still) in the thumbnail of this video, and the same artist made a concept of Blue Diver ;)

"I never get tired of it" I feel like him pointing that out, suggests he is burning out a little. Which is fair considering how much time he puts into it.

This is actually why I love the resurgent class so much, now I wouldnt call it a batllecarrier but it is close enough for my liking. Thinking in real life specs my two absolute favorite Naval vessels are massive, thick armoured, heavy gunned battleships, and fighter carriers, and if it could exist my favorite would be a combo of the two, a ship with all the fighter support of a carrier but the armor and guns to holdit's own, or even decimate in a broadside battle. And that's what the resurgent is to me, its follows suit with other IMP 2s, being a massive, heavily armored, heavily gunned battleship which I enjoy, but it also has the major improvement of the massive star fighter bays, traits that are the reason liked clone wars ships like the venator, it had great fighting capability but can still hold many fighters. By all means the Resurgent is a battleship before a carrier but it fits that niche role I look for.

I'm still more of a fan of dedicated warships, cruisers and frigates but there are a few carriers that definitely hold up in my book, the Venator, Quasar and Lucrehulk.

What is the ship in the thumbnail? Edit Nice analytical vid as always and I hope you and the rest of nova scotia are taking time to mourn and heal all the best from the home country! (Scotland)

I think the Resurgent fits the rule, it’s got great armor and weaponry and it has two wings of Ties which may not be the largest amount for a “battle Carrier” but it can deploy them really efficiently, as well as carry a bunch of ground forces.

Could you do an in depth episode on how the Death Star was built and just other various details about it

Eck, check out the Liberator Cruiser: good shields and armor, good troop transport, and 6 squadrons of fighters.

@alexs7189

4 жыл бұрын

If we talk about the same ship, it is a beautiful ship, but it needs support and an escort, it is a pure aircraft carrier, it is unable to sustain a ship-to-ship battle alone.

Im still of the opinion that the Empire would have benefited from bringing back the original Harrower-class design with all the modern updates to arms and armor KDY could provide. I recognize the Harrower features a lot of configurations across different media but given its smart design, Fractlsponge's design is the best form and serves as my point of reference. If left at its original size at around 800m long, it would settle in nicely between the Gladiator and Victory-class in size and would probably serve as a decent medium carrier. Its described as having 32+ turbolaser batteries and an assortment of quad laser cannons, ion cannons, proton torpedo and concussion missile tubes giving it a Tarkin enough doctrine to its design while still giving it some flexibility as a warship relying on the contents of its five hangars and four separate shield generators to keep it safe. If even given a point defense system like the Venator, it would fit in my fleet rather nicely as an all round decent carrier cruiser.

what's the first song used? can't find it in the playlist

The problem is that most space battles in Star Wars were presented as brutal close quarter brawling, and almost every targeting system sucks somehow. Which even means small snub-fighters or star-fighters without hyper-drive have a chance to cripple massive and heavily armored ships. It's not like the surface combat where the mobility of large naval vessels is severely limited by water viscosity.

@alexs7189

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, a space fight would be very different, even considering the physics of Star Wars removing the fact that there is a need to show it in a certain way, for reasons of entertainment and visual beauty.

Nice

2:00 What is the fighter on the left side, middle height called?

@InvictusMatrix

4 жыл бұрын

It's an Owool Interceptor, designed by the Wookies

The reason i don't like venators is that it has a bearing of a battleship but it feels like the f'd up the battle part of the 'battle carrier' so i agree with Eck. I think the Rebelion / NR executed this concept the best.

@drksideofthewal

4 жыл бұрын

People say that, but the Venator proved quite capable in direct combat. On paper the Venator doesn't have hundreds of turbolasers, but what it does have are 16 heavy turbolasers fed directly from the main reactor, and 4 heavy proton torpedo tubes. The same "big gun" armament of the larger ISD.

@mikaelantonkurki

4 жыл бұрын

@@drksideofthewal let me put it this way venator is an M3 grant. The nebula and MC90 are the M4 Sherman. There are many capable vehicles but just being capable might not be always enough. Like the MC80s

@sempermilites87

4 жыл бұрын

From what I read/watch on how the Venators were used, they remind me of the British "Battlecruisers" of WWI. They were built with a certain mission in mind, but because they were "capital ships" the British Admiralty kept placing them at the head of naval engagements and they soon realized that they can't take as much punishment as the battleships could.

@drksideofthewal

4 жыл бұрын

@@mikaelantonkurki If the Venator is a "B" in ship to ship combat, and an "A+" as a carrier, it's more than just capable overall.

@mikaelantonkurki

4 жыл бұрын

@@drksideofthewal but this is the problem. The republic doctrine revolved around B not the A+. It's was employed in the role in which it was inferior. It was not used as a bombardment/carrier but as a ship of the line. We have seen venators deployed on the frontlines where the much lighter cis ships tore them to pieces. Days were almost always saved by strategem or fighter/bomber screen. Venator is a good ship no doubt but remember it lost (speculative match) against a warship converted from a civilian cruiseliner mc80 liberty. And i will believe that especially if the ships are used as per the respective faction doctrines.

from 4:28 to 6:04, what imperial ship is that and from what movie? It looks fan made. Any pointers please?

Really cool video eck. The only question I have is why didn’t we see battle carriers in any of the movies. I get rebels with home one. But what about empire. Why didn’t they use there battle carriers in the movies or shows

Would be cool to see ec henry do a model for some of them not all as it would take a while

Just a fun fact about real life battle carriers. In world war 2 Japan made a class of battleship called the ise. At the battle of midway Japan lost 4 carriers. This was a massive blow to Japan. So in a attempt to get more carriers the navy replaced the rear turrets of the ise with a fight deck that could launch fighters. The ise saw limited action but it had a battleship front and a carrier rear thus making it the only real battle carrier.

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While i personally like the idea of a jack of all trades ship and thus would like to see a proper "battle carrier", i also respect Daniel from Spacedock and his "a jack of all trades should also be a master of none" way of thinking. Technology is always about finding the unit that can do one thing perfectly while sacrificing its capabilities for other tasks for it. The Venator was more carrier, sacrificing ship to ship combat capability while the Imperium class was more anit-ship than carrier. And the bigger a ship, the easier of a target it becomes while raising the cost and sacrificing fleet flexibility. Multiple smaller ships can do more various tasks.

As @друг pointed out, due to vulture droids latching onto hulls, many CIS ships match this to a certain degree. Very specifically, my own personal favorite ship, the lucrehulk, I feel does fit this well, despite the lack of manoeuvrability as Eck said. Still, I believe the clone wars era Battleship variants (not the pre-war modified freighter/Droid control ship variants) fit perfectly with a large, heavily armed, armored, shielded battleship with ludicrous amounts of hangar space for strike craft. If nothing else, I stand by the statement that the CIS knew how to build a good navy.

I consider the definition of a battle carrier to be a ship with a large fighter capacity that can still function effectively as a ship of the line.

When playing the New Republic in Thrawns Revenge, the Endurance carrier is by far my most used ship. Combine them with MC90s and extra bomber squadrons, and they are unstoppable

As a Protoss player in OG StarCraft, I agree. Carriers r awesome!!!

I just wish there were more Imperial carriers. Tarkin Doctrine gave us doritos, but the advanced Imperial starfighters and bombers (all the glorious TIE variants, the XG-1 Star Wing, etc) always made me happy and I wish we could see them take a larger role as part of an actual fleet instead of just secret black project of the week.

are the descriptions of the ship small enough to fit them on screen during the time youre talking about them for the ones you dont have images of?

I want a battle carrier for christmas.

Their like aircraft cruisers but in space.

@DirectorBird

4 жыл бұрын

And with large guns.

@khadenallast4495

4 жыл бұрын

@@DirectorBird And oversized for how little craft they generally carry.

@DirectorBird

4 жыл бұрын

@@khadenallast4495 80-90 planes is a lot of air power.

@khadenallast4495

4 жыл бұрын

@@DirectorBird 80-90 planes is what modern aircraft carriers are capable of carrying, and they're 0.337km in length. Let that sink in.

@DirectorBird

4 жыл бұрын

@@khadenallast4495 Thats still a lot of planes to have available at any given moment.

Battlecarriers. I wonder what Hull Classification Symbol they'd get. BB is obviously battleship. Would they get BC as it's hull classification symbol, or CVBB? (Yeah, I'm that nuts trying to apply the US Navy's Hull Classification system to Star Wars ships :P). Though when battlecarrier came to mind, two types of ships came into mind. The one the Soviet Union made during the cold war by slapping an angled deck on a cruiser and the other is the carrier line of the Andromeda-Class Battleships in Battleship Yamato with a diskshaped structure above the superstructure of the ship (Though I've seen the Dreadnought-Class carrier variants having a configuration that wont be out of place of a WWII era carrier, only with the main guns and superstructure pushed to the side to make room for the flightdeck).

Honstly if you took a lucurhulk, gave it point defense and laser canons including the larger Turbolasers and its large Fighter. Its a really good ship, but its a really big target.

Wait, but Secutor is canon, as it’s featured at the end of the Tarkin novel. Executrix is also mentioned, and that was an ISD, but I specifically recall Secutor being one of the primary ships towards the end.

Whats this film on in the background, maybe just cause I’m tired I don’t recognise it at all

Yo Hi Eck I was wondering if you could explain the legacy era of Star Wars Since we are stuck at home and unable to pick up new Star Wars books

Would you consider the Starbolt Assault Carrier to fit into the as the smaller designation of battlecarrier, as in, not a battlecarrier, but that it'd fulfill the same role in smaller fleets? I think it's a smaller, but more strongly armed for its size, Venator so it might better fill the small "battle carrier" class which can fight on its own and deploy numerous starfighters.

Where is the footage of the eclipse from? Is it a game or movie?

can you make a video where you customize your ship's for your fleet from scratch with references and detail on how you would design them similar to this here, but, I'm sure you can do better (disclaimer, I'm nearly referencing and giving an idea, while I agree with this, I know it's near impossible, so here is mine how I would like it if I get the resources to do so) corvette: preferably a ship meant for anti starfighter roles with little in mean's of capital ship combat, beside's it's missiles, and can fire from behind them as well with duel and quad point defense ball turret laser's, and has about 4 turbo laser's for little capital ship combat capabilities with this as a very rare secondary function as this is not for capital ship combat, meant as an escort for larger ships frigate: this ship is less on offensive combat and similar to the Nemulon B, it's able to act as a medical area, transport troop's, supplies, and armor, act as a relay station, and be able to give anti starfighter support with better capital ship combat capability with at least 8 quad-turbo laser's top and bottom and can fire from the rear (both these designs are to be straight and have more length than height with no exposed bridges to make sure their the least focused target for enemies as possible, so similarly to the hammerhead or Charger C70 for the Corvette, and the Lancer and Ardent-class fast frigate for the frigate) light cruiser: this is a jack of all trait's ship, it has no heavy turbo laser's, instead, it only has quad medium turbo laser's with at least 10 on top and bottom with many ball turret point defense laser's, and has small starfighter carrying capacity, slightly larger, but to add a hanger and some extra armor in vital areas cruiser: these will be similar to the Munificent class with many AI operated crew to make this ship meant to be thrown to the dog's with little hull strength and weaker shield's than most ship's, but meant to have lot's of firepower with minimal loss to harass the enemy as much as possible, it focuses more on anti-capital ship combat with many weapon emplacement's, 60 percent of the weapons are heavy quad turbo lasers, 35 percent are medium duel turbo laser's, and 5 percent are point defense lasers, though the turbolasers are placed in smart area's, it's still vulnerable to starfighters, thus it carries a corvette in its underbelly similar to the venator heavy cruiser: this is a ship meant to be a tank, it's slow, but thought and packs a punch, built like a Lukrehulk, it's meant to handle the brunt of combat and deploy squad's of starfighter's and be very hard to destroy, similarly made to look like one, it's smaller, but has SPHA laser's for heavy combat ability, and also has a missile payload similar to the victory 1to make sure that it can destroy capital ships star destroyer: this is a ship that is a jack of all trades, it has a decent armor meant with heavenly placed heavy, medium, and point defense quad turret's, a decently sized missile payload, decent starfighter capacity, and decent armor and shielding, and has ion cannon's to shut down enemy ship's to capture or immobilize to destroy, shaped like a demand with the bridge in the center, this is to have no blind spots and fire at any angle battlecruisers: these will primarily be carriers with a similar make to the Venator, but larger, has a smarter designed launch bay with multiple port's open as the top stay's covered, and quadruple the heavy and medium turbo lasers in smarter area's, especially the bottom of the ship, and smarter placed point defense ball laser cannons, and enough space to carry 3 corvettes dreadnought, a fusion of ion cannon's, a variety of different missiles, point defense turrets, medium turbo lasers, carrying capacity, design and heavy turbo laser's, this ship is more practical than all-out powerful as it's the same length as the Bellator, has decent armor plating and shielding for its size, very thin as it has no exposed bridge, and has 6 corvettes, 4 frigates, and one light cruiser at its underbelly, this ship is not powerful, but it is intuitive