Great to see testing like this full of information that isn't stretched out into a 40 minute video. Everything I needed to know!

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, glad you found it useful :)

This is so helpful! Thanks for putting this effort together.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it useful :)

Perfect timing! I was just about to do some research on what to use on my tiny hawk. Thanks for all your hard work on this . Much appreciated!

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

I am glad you found it helpful! :)

Great comparison! Your videos are amazing, keep up the great work.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

coming in to fall, it's time to replace my old whoop lipos, so I started looking into bt2.0. this video alone has all the info I needed, cleanly laid out. Thank you sir, you saved me a lot of trouble and second guessing.

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, I am glad you found it useful! Look into the new connector by GNB too, I expect more battery options to be available with that one. I haven't tried it yet.

oh wow, THANK YOU, mute! you are doing valuable work! I hope your efforts also pay off, somehow! keep on the good work!

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

I really like your videos, you put very good and solid reference material on batteries, motors and props. This test is very good, I'm impressed how poorly JST perform, have being using for long and no problem.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much :) Same here but not on power hungry builds. I was expecting better performance, at least significantly better than the solid PH2.0, but it looks like a crimped connection (in general) is worse than I thought.

That data you research and share is the best!

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Really nice shootout. Great introducing of test methods and results.

@muteFPV

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! Make sure you also watch part 2 that includes GNB27 ;)

Asked myself this question sometimes and you gave the answer now. Thanks. If I'm in doubt I'll go for the XT30 because I expect less wear after 300 times switching (150 times charging and 150 times flying).

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome. It depends on the build and the extra weight you want to carry, I will continue to use solid PH2.0 in my 65mm whoops.

@rcrdps8144

Жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV I decided to switch over to BT2. Started by converting 4 1s GNB's, to 2 2s packs with one BT2. The two packs are back to back, and one tab of each soldered together. Then the BT2 is soldered directly to the remaining tabs. I can't tell a lick of difference in runtime or perfomance over the solid 1s x2 connectors on my 2s whoop. So I came looking for the comparisons. The graphs show a story that makes most people( including JB's video) think BT2 is worth it. But the backend math tells a different story, and I was quite pleased with your summary. Doubt I will be converting the rest of my packs, and I think I'll try to pick up that crimping gear since I can't seem to find the 2s solid pin pigtails any more.

Nice video, some useful information for someone like me who is getting a tinyhawk and wondering about the connector.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

I put the BT2.0 on my Tinyhawk II and don't regret it :)

Well now I feel better about swapping all of my 450-525 mah lipos to xt30. Awesome video

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

Ohh so nice video, thank you! I feel so much better for staying with my solid PH 2.0 connectors for my whoops now ;-)

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome :) I sticking to PH2.0 for now too for 65mm whoops.

thank you! just changed my tinyhawk's connector to solid pin and it's a noticeable improvement in throttle stability.

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

I am very happy you noticed the improvement! It helps with longevity too, folded pin deforms and loses good contact with the battery quickly

@oleg146

3 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV yes indeed, it added extra 10-20 seconds to flight time, well, it feels like now battery works as it supposed to :) such a shame manufacturers use folded pins in stock configurations, i wonder why.. not a huge price difference I guess, comparing to performance. Sigh

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

I suppose it is just faster, 2 solder joints and 2 heatshrinks less. I wonder why too.

@oleg146

3 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV yeah sounds reasonable.. well, for me it was not hard to salvage solid pin connector from old charger :)

Thanks so much! This is what i searched for!

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

I am happy you found it then :D

Thanks for your tests man 👌🏽

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

Nice video! Got my solid ph2 connector today and it's a difference between night and day on my beta 65s. No need for bt2.0

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, for the time being solid PH2.0 is perfectly fine for 65mm 1S whoops. If all stick-shaped batteries came with exposed wires, I would probably use BT2.0 for high-KV whoops - but the whole process of replacing most whoop batteries is not worth the effort for me personally.

Fantastic testing, dude! Really well done!!! 😃 Yeah... XT30 for the win! 😃

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much :) It depends on the use case, it isn't worth putting XT30 on a 65mm whoop :P

Awsome review! Many thanks for this testings! I will no doudbt switch from ph2 to xt30 for my trashcan and mobula7!

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! If you are running them on 2S, definitely

Nice, well put together, informative! I'll sub!

@masumoto007

4 жыл бұрын

I was already sub'ed🤦‍♂️ Thanks for the video!

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Hehehe, thank you very much :)

Thank you. Very useful information.....

@muteFPV

Жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

Nice comparison Thanks for sharing 🙂

@muteFPV

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

thats dedication .. thank you thank you.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! :D

Thanks for the work

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! I hope you found the info useful :)

@crappymeal

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV definitely

And the master is at it again! Thank you for all of your work! I just bought a Tinyhawk 2, along with some GNB 300mAh 2S batteries. I also purchased some BT2.0 connectors to swap everything over to, but now I am torn as to whether to just upgrade the battery lead on the TH2 to solid pin (if it is not already) or to swap everything to BT2.0. Choices, choices!

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! I haven't tried the TH2 yet, do you plan to fly it both on 1S and 2S? By the way, how thick are the cables of the 2S GNB packs?

@jedimasterben

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV I plan on doing only 2S if at all possible just to keep from having to keep up with two different types of batteries. I'll be using a throttle scale in Betaflight on a profile switch for indoors. If that doesn't work, I'll be getting some more 450-520mAh 1S batteries. I have not gotten them in yet, but when I do I'll let you know the wire gauge. :)

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

@@jedimasterben It will be fine with a throttle scale, maybe go for XT30 if you will be running 2S :)

@jedimasterben

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV I had thought about XT30 since I'll have a ton more available thrust, but voltage change even from PH2.0 solid pin to XT30 at 12A is not huge (3.71v average to 3.75v), and changing to solid pin means only changing the connector on the TH2, and I am lazy :)

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

@@jedimasterben Ah sorry, I didn't know that the GNB 2S batteries already come with PH2.0! I imagined JST and that you would have to change it anyway. PH2.0 it is then + you will be able to easily run 1S packs too this way :)

Love the intro.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

;) Thanks mate, long time no see

Thanks, man!!

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome :)

Thanks mate!

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

10.000 Subs! 😁👌

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

:D

Thank you for this test! I converted to XT30 even MicroGP 1S brushed toothpick. Even with +2g and brushed motors it`s much more powerful with xt30

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

The 65mm prop size gives enough thrust so XT30 is fine. For whoops it is too much of a weight penalty though. I miss my microgp, I have it in the to-repair-pile for so long...

@grifild

4 жыл бұрын

​@@muteFPV I love that build very much! Thank you for it! I have already ordered 3rd set of Racerstar 8520 motors and small 0.7g buzzer :) because last time I spent one hour to find it in the grass)

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

:D I recently found some very slim buzzers! Send me a link to yours so I can check too :)

@grifild

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV I found only this from Banggood: www.banggood.com/Eachine-Aurora-68-Spare-Parts-5V-Buzzer-Alarm-Beeper-With-Cable-for-Mini-FPV-Racing-Drone-p-1137425.html

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I had found some almost half the thickness, I will try to find the link

Oh, the tin for soldering from my country!

@muteFPV

Жыл бұрын

Sweet! It is great quality for its price!

Gday D, they should design something between the xt30 and the bt2.0 call it an xt15, awsome review mate.👍🛸

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Afaik there is already something in the works.

many thanks for this testseries and comparsion. I have a Tinyhawk S and many betaFPV Batteries. I am currently operating this with an adapter cable but i the flighttime with max. 3 Minutes is very bad what do you think for this plan: convert the Tinyhawk and the original Batteries (or other Batteries with cable) to BT2.0 = more flighttime? and for the build-in connectors a PH2.0 to BT.2.0 Adapter = little bit more flighttime and i can use the batts for other models?

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

If you don't mind the cost of the BT2 connectors, that is what I did for my Tinyhawk2. I think it is the perfect connector for this setup. A PH2 to BT2 is very lossy but at least it let's you use more batteries - maybe do what I did, a PH2 soldered straight to a BT2, without any wires in between.

Awesome as ever 👍 If I got it right. On low current draw, the PH2 is good enough. On high currents (6-8A and above) then there’s a more pronounced difference. So you don’t really need the BT2 on low current setups, such as those with 060x-080x motors. Did I get that right? Thanks!

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

If it was easy to swap the PH2.0 on whoop batteries, I would easily convert them to BT2.0 for high-KV setups. If buying brand new packs, there aren't enough options yet to choose from when it comes to BT2.0. We will see how it goes. It is perfect for my Tinyhawk and very easy to convert. Light toothpicks with 08xx motors and 65mm props will also benefit from BT2.0 but the trend now is wider motors and larger props even on 1S - such setup will easily carry the XT30.

yeah i switched my tiny hawk ii to ph2.0 solid pin. def made a lil difference. its a lil better. going to try gnb27 next whoop im building.

@muteFPV

2 жыл бұрын

Will it be 1S or 2S?

@divingfalconfpv4602

2 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV 1s. & prob not even high amp draw. But curious to see if more sag gone

@muteFPV

2 жыл бұрын

Both BT2.0 and GNB27 will be a fine choice, especially if you are buying new batteries.

scientific method at it's best.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Let's just call it thorough testing :)

They just need to make a slimline XT30.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Afaik GNB is working on one, may be a rumour or fact.

@changeagent228

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV Time will tell...

@JohnFHendry

3 жыл бұрын

@@changeagent228 Well said... didn't realize the GNB27 was being discussed this long ago!

@changeagent228

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnFHendry Thanks. I did email GNB back then and they said they would pass the suggestion to their design team. Maybe this is the result.

@OsirisPL

3 жыл бұрын

It's called BT2.0

Do you think its worth to swap al my 1s packs to bt2.0? I only use one quad for indoor (livingroom ect) the Tinyhawk S.. i got the Tinyhawk 2 ordered and the Tinyhawk 2 Race and for some reason i only use the th S for indoor atm but if i have the th 2 I probably use that one too for indoor but definitely use xt30 on the th 2 race. Anyways sut i use the bt2.0 for al my 1s packs or take that 1.2gr extra and make them all xt30?

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

If it helps, I converted most of my Tinyhawk 2 1S and 2S packs to BT2.0 ;) I think it is perfect for it.

Cool test, only saw it now! Quick question on the solder-improved folded PH2.0 - did you also flow the solder into the fold of the pin, or did you only put solder onto the joint of crimp and wire? I guess you did, but couldn't really see that in the video, sorry...

@muteFPV

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I mostly added solder onto the joint and continued with lower heat to help solder flow internally through the fold. I don't know how far it went but soldering straight onto the fold could cause more issues (possibly hindering the folded pin from contacting the female connector side fully) if done unevenly. Changing to a solid pin connector is so much easier than trying to "improve" a folded pin connector anyway...

Hi. Great job on the comparison. I have a 1s babytooth running 1103 11000kv on 3 inch props with a xt30 connector. I accidentally bought a lot of bt2.0 connectors and was wondering should I change the xt30 for the bt2.0. I don't mind the work but just wondering would there be performance loss if I swapped the connectors?

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

I would probably stick with XT30 for your setup. If it was the GNB27 and you needed a bit of weight loss, it would be a good option. I wouldn't put the effort into converting it to BT2.0.

@aimonchan9993

3 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV Thanks for the suggestion. Keep making great content!

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Would be interesting to see where the GNB27 fits in compared to the Bt2.0. Sticking to solid pin ph2.0 for 1s whoops for sure. I do plan on running BT2.0 on my 75mm whoops running 1102 motors and I am running GNB27 on my a couple 1s toothpicks and seems to work well. Also, for the folks who still like running 2x300mah 1s lipos, the bt2.0 2s adapter used on the beta65hd is pretty cool, seems better than ph2.0. Oh yeah! one other interesting application I have found is those little 2s batteries for the Tinyhawk s that were running on ph2.0. Converted one over to bt2.0 and it does seem to help the voltage sag a bit, though not perfect lol.

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't got my hands on the GNB connectors yet, I want to test them too :) I use bt2 on my Tinyhawk II and converted most of my 450-550 1S packs and 300 2S packs to bt2, works great for this setup.

Thank you very much, I have bought a set of 6 of these small stick shaped whoop batteries and on some i noticed hotter than usual Ph2.0 connectors(after 20ish cycles), like 40° to 50°C where the battery stayed at a normal like 25 to 30°C Temperature after flight and they also had less performance and punch compared to the other, normal Batteries. Does a Ph2.0 degrade faster than the Bt2.0?

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Haven't had the BT2.0 for long enough to know how it does. PH2.0 degrades from plugging/unplugging, usually the battery side (female PH2.0) where the connector becomes more loose. So on the same quad, some batteries result in a hot PH2.0 and other batteries not, both without a hot battery?

@markusk.488

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV Both Batteries had about the same temperature after flight. Would it be worth a try to solder just a tiny bit of solder to the solid pins of the male connector so that they become "thicker" (in diameter) and thus have a better contact to the worn female connector?

@markusk.488

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV I'm also thinking about upgrading them to the Bt2.0 connector after your Video, but you're right, removing the plastic cover from rhe battery could be a little hard and the ph2.0 connectors are also kinda expensive for their size 😅

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

I doubt you (or me or anyone) can apply solder evenly enough on the solid pins to improve contact. I don't remember having a hot connector but not hot battery myself, usually the batteries land very warm all the time.

This is what Joshuas 'test' should have been. Outstanding job! Do you by chance have any data if you also test thicker/thinner wires? Some whoops come with awg 22 or 24. What happens with awg 18?

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much. AWG is another topic I wanted to touch on, but on the other hand you will always be "limited" by what the battery comes with so I decided to do other tests instead. I use 20AWG on the battery leads for most micros with PH2.0 or similar - I doubt going bigger will be beneficial. On the other hand I have 1S packs with crazy thick leads (like the Panther pack I had tested from Hobbyking).

@fabianisensee3744

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV you can always open up the battery and solder thicker leads to it. This is of course nothing one would do for all their batteries but it would be interesting nonetheless. For science :D

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Nah, I'd rather buy packs that have the AWG I prefer (as long as the cells perform well too).

@JoshuaBardwell

4 жыл бұрын

I tested the exact scenario most people will encounter in the real world: buying a PH pack and converting it to BT. It's great to see others taking the testing even further to prove the point, but few people will go to these extremes. For example, how many people re crimp their own PH connectors? So testing a hand crimped PH connector shows its best-case performance but it doesn't reflect the performance people will actually get. Both results are interesting. I am personally more interested in widely practicable results.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

​@@JoshuaBardwell You either didn't pay attention to the video or misunderstood it, so let me start with what you got completely wrong: the reason I crimped my own PH2.0 is because most pre-crimped female PH2.0 harnesses are sold with mediocre wires. I did not suggest re-crimping all batteries, they already come with wires of good quality and proper AWG size anyway. As for the scenario you mentioned, if buying a PH2.0 pack to convert it to BT2.0 is the real world use case of the new connector, it has already failed. Either battery manufacturers adopt it (with whatever licensing scheme BetaFPV has decided to go with) and we have many packs to choose from, or it will not be a viable option for micros. As I already commented in your video, your test was inconclusive and I hope this video clearly shows why.

Just received my PH 2.0 conectors from alliexpress but then I saw they are 26 awg non solid pins and wondered are they even useful for tiny whoop batteries. Did you test similar ? I'm still learning so I fly with brushed quad with 1S 260-300MAh.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

It will fly but soldering 20AWG or 22AWG to it with a solid PH2.0 will be a very big improvement, both for brushed and brushless whoop.

@Tish0eX

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV Thanks! I actually changed the wires with some that I have from old PC power supply because the 22AWG I ordered is not arrived yet. Not sure if this is helpful because the connector is still not the solid one.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tish0eX the thicker wire will not be enough of an improvement, try to find a solid PH2.0 locally or use the one you ordered until a solid one arrives ;)

Not gonna lie, I would like to see this video redone with a GMB27/Eachine ET2.0 connectors, as making video only for “one” connector might don’t make sense. Nevertheless thanks as always for great and straightforward content. It’s seems like if you got solid pin PH2.0 it not worth a hassle to switch to the BT2.0

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

If I remember correctly, when I did this video the GNB27 connector was only a rumor, not even released. I will test that one too, I still don't have it. Solid pin PH2 is still a viable option, especially for 1S, that is true.

@christiannorwik

3 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV sorry if sounded like a jerk. I just coming back to the hobby (few days ago I ordered Mobula 6 from Czech rep.), and Man things have changed since last time I was flying 😅

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

No worries mate! Videos stay forever so I just wanted to explain why the GNB connector is missing from the tests :)

would you put a bt2.0 on a 2S battery? I want to shorten the cables anyway for a cleaner and lighter build.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

I will use BT2.0 for my 300mAh 2S packs for the Tinyhawk. For bigger ones, XT30 makes much more sense.

@FPVish

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV thank you sir

All this talk about connectors for 1s & 2s builds , but what about good capacitors for them as well do you have a video about that ?? For example I had a 1s toothpick brushed build I wanted to put a capacitor on but I only had a 2 caps left one was huge and weighed almost a gram it’s was a 470uf 16v & bigger then the xt30 connector ! The other small one is 220uf 16v as well ,the size was about that my of a pencil eraser ✏️ just perfect for my build but it’s 16v ? , I still installed it with no initial power up issues , but don’t know the true positive/negative benefits of it yet because I haven’t flown it yet to see the video quality. Will it introduce more noise since it’s 16v 220uf ? & not something with closer voltage to 1s

@muteFPV

2 жыл бұрын

This requires a whole different set of tests and testing equipment. I have bought an oscilloscope but have had 0 time to set up everything that is necessary for accurate and useful results.

@megahertz6787

2 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV no stress 😎 just had to ask ! Thanks for this video tho 🤝

@muteFPV

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it :)

A late comment but: did you fill the folded pins with the solder too? or only the crimp?

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

Only the crimp. Any excess solder on the folded pin side could mean even less contact (in total) with the battery side.

@SukSukulent

3 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV well. Than I'll look for one with solid pins. It's shame that mobula7 comes with folded pins. Thank you for the answer

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

Yes definitely swap it to solid PH2.0. It makes a big difference!

the thing confuses me is; if i convert my 1s batteries to xt30, how im gonna charge them? i will also need pt2.0 to xt30 adapter for each i guess?

@muteFPV

Жыл бұрын

Yes, or a different charger and/or a series charging board to charge multiple 1S batteries as 1 larger multi-cell battery.

@alperenozgur

Жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV thank you! there is much difference if i solder them to xt30 with that little ph2.0 pins at cable tips vs. removing pins and soldering with tinned naked wire?

@muteFPV

Жыл бұрын

If you mean for the battery, definitely solder the xt30 directly to the wires with fresh tin, for the best possible electrical connection and for durability. Make sure you cut, tin and solder the wires one by one and not let them touch each other. For a charging harness, you could do both, since the current will be fairly small, but again the proper way to do it is cut the pins from the wire, tin it and solder it to the xt30 connector.

@alperenozgur

Жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV 👍🏻 ok got it. thanks. its just wires are already too short :D thanks.

I'm really surprised at how poorly the jst connector did. I use the jst in a 2s lightweight toothpick and it shows no signs of aggressive voltage sag or heat buildup. The build is a Reddevil frame using 1102 8700 kv motors, 65mm two-blade props, geprc aio whoop board, eachine nano vtx, xm+ receiver and runcam nano 2 camera. Battery is a 2s 300 mah nanotech. Auw including battery is 58 grams. On this build the jst seems to do a fine job: when I land at 3.5 volts per cell, the battery recovers to 3.65 or 3.7 volts per cel. So not too much sag. On punchouts I get some significant sag, same as my other heavier xt30 builds. Edit: although now that I think about it, my 2s jst build probably pulls less amps than your typical whoop, simply because it's 2s instead of 1s. For example, my flight times are typically 05:30 to hit 3.5 volts per cell. A typical 1s whoop using 1s 300mah battery flies about 3 mins. So that means higher amp draw on 1s. Maybe that's why my jst build is doing fine on this connector? Doing the math, my avg amp draw during flight is approx 2.6 amps (the battery only takes back about 240 mah during recharging).

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Lightweight builds like the one you describe are efficient but could still benefit from a swap to XT30. I use the 2S 300mAh nanotech packs (45/90C) too in toothpicks and 40mm-prop-whoops and have been very happy with them, but numbers don't lie: it is an inferior connector to my surprise as well.

Have u tried jst xh 2.56mm? I think it cam beat bt2.0

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

Hello :) I doubt it. The pin size is just slightly larger than PH2.0. Also you lose the convenience of PH2.0 which is already the "standard" for micro batteries. If you go into the hassle of swapping battery connectors, I think you are better of with BT2.0 (or the GNB connector which I have not tried yet...). Also there are now more batteries available with BT2.0, than at the time I made this video.

@Pilot_X_indonesia

3 жыл бұрын

I just curious that tattu ever used jst xh on these products out there before bt2.0 or gnb27 booming. I just tried using jst xh and its join way cooler than ph2.0. but iam not sure about flight time.

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

Which Tattu batteries do you mean? All batteries use JST-XH for the balance port but I don't remember any using it for the main discharge leads (with very few exceptions of batteries having only balance leads and powering the quad/device from the same connector). Was your PH2.0 folded pin or solid pin type?

great information as always. converting my mob6 to betafpv bt2.0 making a video of that soon. prob will leave all the stick ph2.0 's alone and just make an adapter to connect to the bt2.0 female on the whoop as i will mainly be using the bt2.0 batteries. no way im putting an xt60 on there lol. but i wonder if i could strip ones plastic down how much lighter would it be... hmmm

@SkyCandyVisuals

4 жыл бұрын

prob wouldn't hold together well at that point...

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

It depends on the XT30 (not XT60) connector you use, the Amass ones don't have much plastic to remove. Based on my tests and flights, I would suggest you stay away from the ph2 to bt2 adapter - better solder both connectors on the battery leads of the mobula6 instead, if you intend to use both battery types...

@SkyCandyVisuals

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV ahh didn't think to solder both on there good idea. slight weight disadvantage but i have quite a few stick ph2 batteries. and i meant xt30 earlier my bad lol

Still waiting for the chinese cloning army to come up with affordable BT2.0 clones. My budget is kind of limited and would break the bank to replace all my microlosi and ph2.0 lipos accumulated over the years :-/. first time I heard about GNB entering the connector game, I'll stay tuned for more :). Also probably not easy to portray in a repeatable test but from what I read in the PH2.0 datasheet from JST (the company, not the connector style) PH2.0 degrades after many mating cycles. Looking at the pins under a microscope they look very bumpy and the plating looks spotty but nonetheless your test gives me the peace of mind that I don't have to swap all my lipos immediately or I'm missing out.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

I agree on the cost of BT2.0, at least now they have an option to buy only the female connectors and not an equal amount of both only (like they had at the beginning). I have a note in the description about the mating cycles, there is no way for me to wear out all connectors in a fair manner. Especially for the PH2.0 I suspect that the female (battery) side will be the first culprit, not the solid male part.

@djs134

4 жыл бұрын

Vincent Fischer Kabab hinted at someone working on a new connector so glad to hear rumors of it being gnb

Hi. How can I connect 3s2p battery pack with two cables (- and +) to 4pin JST ph 2.0 (-- DC ++)? Please advice.

@muteFPV

2 жыл бұрын

I need a bit more info to understand exactly what you need to do. Does the 3S2P battery only have main battery leads (one - and one +)? Are there no balance wires for each cell? Is the 4pin JST you want to connect meant for balance charging? Maybe it is JST XH in this case, not PH.

@andrewb7817

2 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV I appreciate your quick reply. I have answered with pics: kzread.info?event=video_description&redir_token=&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftelegra.ph%2F123-10-23-12

@andrewb7817

2 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV Thank you for a quick reply. 3S2P have only one - and one +. On the board (lattepanda delta) there is a JST PH 2.0 4pin connector (--DC++)

@muteFPV

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewb7817 at first glance you connect the - of the battery to both - - (2 pins) of the JST, and the + of the battery to both ++ (the other 2 pins). But I will have to make sure and look into this board further, to find out why it needs power input like this.

@muteFPV

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it looks like this is a 4-pin 12V input (can handle 10-15V) and probably they use 2 pins for - and 2 pins for + for more current delivery (people power those via dupont wires or other thin wires. I have never seen this board before, what are you using it for? It looks like it has a great community and a ton of resources available on the website.

good video What is the visual difference between PH 2.0 Solid and PH 2.0 folded?

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

I have close-up shots in my last video (Tinyhawk II) if you don't mind checking. One side is crimped and the other is a flat piece of metal, folded into a Π shape

@hankyulee3534

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV 1drv.ms/u/s!AqtHfmow-yX7h16_afcdYGY8wzHy

@hankyulee3534

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV is this solid pin?

@hankyulee3534

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV 1drv.ms/u/s!AqtHfmow-yX7h139LSPpzlXzrfly

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

@@hankyulee3534 this is probably solid pin. Check the other side, if it is the same, it is most probably solid pin, if it has a crimped connector, it is not.

Has the GNB27 taken over?

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't tried it so I don't know how it compares. GNB has very good batteries so if this becomes the more "common" connector for micros, I would put aside a bit of added weight and go for the better batteries. Beta's batteries have never impressed me. Also I don't know how "open" they are with the licensing of their BT2 connector, which is crucial for making it THE connector for micros...

Specific to batteries with leads, I find at times the leads excessively long. I was wondering if you have any idea, how say a linear length of wiring compares to the connector itself, in terms of weight and losses. So, if one shortens the wires, say 3/4 inch, would that be more or less equivalent to the connector itself even being there? A connector is always a negative in weight, and should not add more resistance as a bottleneck, ideally. There is more weight and losses in the wiring (excessive length) people tend to ignore, I always cut back to what’s necessary on XT30 leads. Another factor I have never seen evaluated, is the gauge of wire off the ESC, sometimes it is 16, 18, or 20 awg. Seems to me those differences would matter in weight and particularly punch out voltage drop, a lot. Nice work 😁.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

I haven't tested it but I doubt that such a small difference in wire length can match the losses of the connector. Maybe I will try it, I hadn't thought of this. When you say wires off the ESC you mean from ESC to motors?

@robertp7209

4 жыл бұрын

muteFPV - no, I mean the wires connecting the esc to battery connection, not just wires on batteries. Several inches there round trip. I have batteries 4s 650 with 14 awg factory fitted to XT30s, on 2.5 inch quads, ridiculous. If I had a high current low voltage dc power supply and precise instrumentation, I could come up with an accurate resistance for a new connector, and calculate the resistance for the copper leads from published specs, in per unit length, to do the comparison. Can also figure connector depreciation from wear and contact pressure loss over time.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Noted for future tests, I will think about it. Thank you for the suggestions :)

Hi, great video, me I solder all my connector is better. 👍 😀

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks :) What do you mean? Solder, not crimp (the PH2.0)?

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't expect it but it turns out it barely makes any difference. Solid pin PH2.0 is the best (and easiest) option compared to crimping

@onclefly8450

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV Yes, ti's better 👍

What about ET2.0?

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

If you mean Eachine's alternative and the recent connector from GNB, they did not exist when I was making this video. I will run tests as soon as I get them in my hands.

Hi I got a question, I am using mobula 6, the original PH2.0 that comes with the board is quite beat up already, around 150 flight (one of the pin get a bit darker) for sometimes the connector just get super hot after flying (usually it occur together with extreme voltage sag) but sometimes it flies just well. now I am looking to replace the connector (not planning to go BT2.0) I am quite new and I have all the equipment cater to ph2.0 i never solder before T_T planning to buy a new set of JST-PH2.0, this is what I can found in my country (the seller said it is the upgraded one but as I can see in your video more connector transition = more loss) www.google.com/search?q=JST-PH2.0&sxsrf=ALeKk01a79YxspbMRU1DI9J5XTgDKagSgg:1624186884546&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiI5LTSh6bxAhV3xTgGHdHQB8sQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=937#imgrc=muXutbVMqz9rIM or is ok if I only desolder the connector part and replace the female one but still using the old wire that connected to the aio board? and what consider a solid pin? not sure the one I have is good or not. I bought 30set of male + female without wire (around 2USD) and it looks something like this my.banggood.com/300pcs-PH2_0-2p-3p-4-pin-2_0mm-Pitch-Terminal-Kit-or-Housing-or-Pin-Header-JST-Connector-Wire-Connectors-Adaptor-PH-Kits-p-1605099.html?cur_warehouse=CN&rmmds=search

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

The connector on the battery side (female) is always crimped. The connector on the AiO side (male) can be crimped or solid-pin. The male connectors in the banggood link you sent me are solid pin. Does your problem happen with specific batteries, or is it completely random? Since the problem is not on every flight, I don't think you need to change the wires.

@quaneu9216

3 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV on specific loose head will restart when landing then if i choose to use solid pin just desolder and resolder the part right？ is it necessary to put heat shrink tube on it？

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

I always put heatshrink because you never know. Yes, you just solder the wires. I plug a female connector to it, to prevent the pins from moving while soldering (the plastic can heat up and loosen)

@quaneu9216

3 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV thanks for your tips👍👍

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

let me know if you need anything else :)

same conclusion, 1s tinyhawk on bt2.0 2s power whoop on xt30

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

I am glad to hear that :) Not sure yet what I will do with Tinyhawk2 on 2S

@RichardTardif1984

4 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV id do xt30. Cheaper and although heavier, the 2s seem to be a few grams heavier anyway But I would add a small capacitor, I've heard a few people damage their board when switching to an xt30 allegedly the added cap protects the board.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

@@RichardTardif1984 thanks, I will look into it when it arrives.

Should of done jst xh.

@muteFPV

4 жыл бұрын

I shouldn't and I didn't. Feel free to do it yourself.

@chrisbee5481

3 жыл бұрын

I would also be interested in the results. The omphobby m1 heli runs on the XH plus

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

Today I am releasing the video for the GNB27 connector, compared to BT2 and XT30. I won't be testing the JST XH anytime soon.

@chrisbee5481

3 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV Good work. Feel free not to test the XH. Its your Video. Cant sleep not knowing how the XH compares 😅

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

😂

1:20 Wow... look at that 10th of a gram added just for that. I've been saying for some time now that Sparkfun's Special Blend unleaded silver solder adds far less weight than leaded solder, is a better conductor, is harder and stronger so less likely to let a pad peel off by bending the solder at the edge, AND unlike the first generation of unleaded garbage is as easy to work with as good leaded solder if not easier. So for micro builds where a gram matters 96.35% Sn (Tin), 3.0% Ag (Silver), 0.5% Cu (Copper), 0.15% Sb (Antimony) is the way to go... probably why it's out of stock as the RC world discovers old opinions do not apply to changes in technology. Expensive by weight as you get more, but well worth the weight savings on tiny builds IMO. I really dislike the PH 2.0 after 5 connections as flight times go down and voltage sag goes up. Emax includes a 2nd lead for a reason GNB has now corrected with the new GNB 27 1mm connector which I'd really like to see tested too against the BT2.0 ;-) I suspect the new 0.82g GNB 27 will have a higher rating than the BT2.0 giving us two options for above and below the 22g mark.

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

It is definitely less than 1/10 of a gram but I don't have a precision scale. I want to test the GNB connector too, I probably will at some point. As for the BT2.0, I don't think it is worth it 100%. I fully converted my Tinyhawk 2 to BT2.0 but none of my 1S whoops.

@JohnFHendry

3 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV That's great... look forward to seeing your results. Really interesting to see even at low amperage how much advantage the XT30 still has. The big difference I've noticed on the Tiny Hawk is after the PH2.0 has been used a lot. I have the original Tiny Hawk and thought my 520 1S GNB batteries which I take good care of were about done, but then I replaced the stock connector Emax includes because just handling it started causing it to lose connection. After that using the same 10 batteries with original connectors (so only one side replaced) my flight times around the neighborhood almost doubled making me realize how bad the connection was. But after just 2 more flights per pack it was weak again. I've read other people say they were disappointed with the BT2.0 compared to using an XT30 so my guess is that's why GNB's new 27 is heavier. Seems the BT2.0 is best for really lightweight 1S whoops as those using it for that seem content. I have the GNB 27s coming tomorrow it looks like so will pull out my Tinyhawks and see if I can get a working one out of the parts hoping it's the warn connectors causing both to fail right after take off. And thanks for all the hard work... great comparison.

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! Is the PH2.0 you used for the Tinyhawk solid pin or folded / crimped pin? If I remember correctly the Tinyhawks 1 and 2 did not come with solid pin.

@JohnFHendry

3 жыл бұрын

@@muteFPV Correct.. both came with the folded pins and that includes the spares with lead Emax provided. The GNB27's came in today and look good. Weight on a triple beam scale for 5 pairs was 4 grams so a little lighter that expected @ 0.8g. They are longer than the BT2.0 @ 17.70mm pin end to pin end connected but the body is only 12.06L x 7.01W x 4H mm not counting the 1mm thick tabs for grip (which can be cut off easy enough) making it 8.67mm Wide at the ends so still a lot smaller than an XT30 despite the length which is still almost 2mm shorter that the red JST @ 19.50Lmm. My guess it will have less resistance and a higher amp rating than the BT2.0 due to the length but just have to wait and see. They make a nice tight fit and unlike the XT30 and most other bullet connectors the pins are solid and not cross split or using some other tension system so should maintain their amp rating whatever that turns out to be.

@muteFPV

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds nice, let me know what you think after you try them! I still consider solid pin PH2.0 perfectly suitable for whoops on 1S.