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@misosoppa3279

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry, but how can EVs be part of the climate change solution? Is it better than ICE cars? Yeah, but barely. All the additional Co2 heavy infrastructure is still required, such as highways, urban sprawl, parking lots, etc. And they are far worse for the environment than the fuel the cars use

@bozoldier

Жыл бұрын

Wow. One big gigantic lie within the first 15 seconds.... no your drive isn't zero emmission in an electric car. The way electricity is produced. The building of the power plant / wind farm / (... fill in your choice of energy). The mining of the fuel for electricity production The mining of the raw materials to build the plant / farm The transformation of these material ... and so one. And of course the building g of your electricity car also triggers significan emissions.

@Fenthule

Жыл бұрын

@@bozoldier If you want to nitpick that hard for the ICE vehicle you ALSO have to include most of those same things. cost of mining and transporting/manufacturing materials, the fuel used by all those different places to make them, the cost of the drilling rigs for the oil, etc etc etc. BTW more and more energy is made from green sources, for instance where I live 90% of our power comes from hydro electric dams with 5% being green sources and 5% are NG. AND the energy made by a power plant and converted from NG to kilowatts is more efficient than burning that same amount of gas in an ICE vehicle due to economy of scale, so you get more mileage out of NG and EV's than you do with tradition gas and ICE's.

@jaxvoice718

Жыл бұрын

@@bozoldier Zero emissions are zero emissions FROM THE CAR. Furthermore because the electric motor is far superior to ICE, the total emissions from an EV is lower than an ICE car even when using maximum polluting power sources (i.e. coal), and as the grid moves towards low-carbon sources that benefit gets even greater. Sure, no car will lead to even less emissions (bicycle, bus,, Zoom or what have you).

@bernardbarry447

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this is all true except that the new generation of EV batteries don’t use any Nickel or Cobalt. Just Lithium & Iron Phosphate aka LFP batteries, all components are abundant and can be extracted much more sustainably.

I don't think EVs should be emphasized so heavily as a 'solution' to climate change. We need to move away from car centric infrastructure and towards electrified public transit, with EVs as a supplement for purposes where transit can't reach

@Jackinacox

Жыл бұрын

good luck doing that in the US....

@RyuzoSan19

Жыл бұрын

When it comes to battery electric vehicles for public transportation (like buses), it would be a bit inefficient compared to hydrogen, atleast its still clean I guess?

@chrisoconnell8432

Жыл бұрын

EVs get the biggest focus because its by far the easiest solution with a meaningful impact. Getting every city in the world to change their public infrastructure is HARD. Getting people to simple change their car from ICE to EV is easy. Once prices for clean energy generation are below coal/gas energy generation (starting to happen already) then getting power stations to switch to clean energy will also be easy. EVs might not be the best solution, but they're a solution that will actually happen, and a solution that is implemented is infinitely better then a theoretically better solution that doesn't get implemented.

@misosoppa3279

Жыл бұрын

@@RyuzoSan19 you're missing the point... The bus can run on diesel and still be 100x more environmentally friendly than the cars required to transport the same amount of people, because cars create other environmentally unfriendly infrastructure: Parking lots, urban sprawl, single family houses that require more energy than any other type of housing to sustain, massive highways.... The list goes on and on...

@RyuzoSan19

Жыл бұрын

@@misosoppa3279 I was talking about how battery buses would be more inefficient compared to hydrogen. Since the more energy you want in a battery, the bigger it has to be. Compared to something like a hydrogen fuel cell which can be as small as an economy cars fuel tank and still possibly run a bus. It is a similar problem to the Tesla Semi-Truck which claims to carry alot of cargo, but since it needs more energy, probably half of that cargo are batteries. I do agree with you however, that buses are still better compared to cars, thats probably why cars should only belong to enthusiasts like me, dont worry, theres not much of us left anyway lol.

I'm glad that here in my village we're using electricity from one of the biggest renewable geothermal energy plant (generating at 235MW) in Indonesia

@justannpc1866

Жыл бұрын

being situated near volcanoes can sometimes be a blessing

@anandodgerel5434

Жыл бұрын

What part of Indonesia do you come from? I am curious.

@agungwatanabe318

Жыл бұрын

@@anandodgerel5434 Bandung, West Java

@dolfandringa

Жыл бұрын

@agung watanabe I live close to one too (in the Philippines). But doesn't your water often smell like rotten eggs? Mine definitely does. I think the sulfur that is in the ground at depths is being pumped up and ends up in the surface water (which is where our water supply comes from).

@approximatelyzero398

Жыл бұрын

@@agungwatanabe318 PGE Kamojang? PLTA Saguling?

I hate that it takes a foreign channel to explain something happening in my country. I appreciate the video, and hopefully this can increase the conversations about other green energy sources

@bobfearnley5724

Жыл бұрын

there are places where people shudder at the fact a foreign media is talking bad about them

@lyq232

Жыл бұрын

Tiati diserang KLHK

@TheDuckPox

Жыл бұрын

The government added a lot more coal power plants in the past few years in order to power the more secluded areas. It turned out that a lot of people in the government also have stocks in the coal industry. I don't believe they actually care about the environments.

@FitraRahim

Жыл бұрын

@@bobfearnley5724 Just like who is sabotage Nord Stream 2. We know who did it.

@MrRobloxIndonesia

Жыл бұрын

same, and it has good visual than in here

I am all for electric vehicles and drive one myself but you really shouldn't claim they are CO2 free. You have to factor in the emissions tied to the electricity used to charge the car. It's better but not CO2 free. For that much still needs to be done in advancing green energy production outside of the battery production as well.

@onemorechris

Жыл бұрын

Yea. the assumption of this video, that everyone thinks EVs are 100% clean, is not true. people are aware it’s not perfect. cars are always bad, it’s that EVs are way way better than Petrol/gas, despite the battery.

@Oioioioioioi-

Жыл бұрын

Capitalism for ya .

@tacomonkey222

Жыл бұрын

But without EV’s how else will kids be employed to mine cobalt?

@KRYMauL

Жыл бұрын

Micro mobility + mass rapid transit solves most issues as you don’t completely destroy communities for parking minimums.

@pistolen87

Жыл бұрын

Right. Lies like these make environmentalists untrustworthy.

Finally someone acknowledging that lithium batteries have their own environmental cost. Doesn't mean fossil is cleaner, just that batteries aren't perfect.

@obinator9065

Жыл бұрын

There’s a project in Germany in the upper-rhine area where they can extract giant amounts of lithium in an environmentally friendly way. The water they’re already using in the power plants contains a lot of lithium, which could be extracted.

@KRYMauL

Жыл бұрын

You know what is cleaner? Trains.

@tajfaa

Жыл бұрын

Sadly there isn't perfect solutions. We will always have negative and positive impacts, we need yo balance them and see if the benefits justify the costs. This is the definition of environmental impact assessments.

@Heisenburg17

Жыл бұрын

public transport, bikes are the best bet. You can get ebike if you're lazy.

@zyansheep

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenvaneerden7794 which do you recon is better on average for the environment: buying a new electric car to replace your old car, using your old car until it dies and then buying a new ev, or moving to a place with good public transit and not using a car at all?

Time to invest in public transportation & electrify them but we've been saying the same thing for decades but politicians are in bed with big oil and auto manufacturers smh

@someoneelse6900

Жыл бұрын

money money and money

@rakandzakwan6402

Жыл бұрын

And we also talk about Indonesian government where pragmatism still plagued since the state is founded.

@matthewwelsh294

Жыл бұрын

It is time to arrest these politicians and the big oil executives

@yourealittlebitfat4344

Жыл бұрын

Because doing something that takes 30 min with a car but 2 hours with public transport will fix everything!

There's a geothermal plant about 50km where I live. I've driven past it a couple times and I can vouch that it's the future of green energy in Indonesia. The plant looks clean and futuristic. It also doesn't really bother the environment, trees can (and do) grow around the plant, it practically surrounded by a forest. The only downside is that the plant needs a massive clearance because when a geothermal pipe bursts, it's proper scary and poses a safety hazard to the surrounding area.

@seraphinastark169

Жыл бұрын

Which plant did u refer to?

@bondthefifth

Жыл бұрын

@@seraphinastark169 Kamojang Geothermal Power Plant

Iceland does this very well with it’s rich volcanic hot springs and mountainous geography.

@onemorechris

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been to Bali and Iceland. the difference is how clean the air is in Iceland and how polities the air is in Bali. it’s a great example of how this can be done at scale and the direct local benefit. (the air is so so clean in Iceland compared to my default, London)

@KRYMauL

Жыл бұрын

@Zaydan Naufal What’s there biggest spender? EGS is a utility that should be used everywhere because it benefits everyone when people are actually alive to work and pay taxes.

@KRYMauL

Жыл бұрын

@Zaydan Naufal Pipelines are cheap, but the water won’t stay hot for very long. Electricity makes the most sense.

@neolithictransitrevolution427

Жыл бұрын

@Zaydan Naufal But Iceland developed its geothermal when it was a poor fishing country. It was the cheap electricity (also from hydro) that allowed an aluminum smelting industry and general development. Although, there was likely a higher base line home heating cost in iceland than Indonesia uses.

@KRYMauL

Жыл бұрын

@Zaydan Naufal Well then they need to start making heat pipes.

I recently caught an episode of the Volt podcast about “enhanced geothermal” that really got my attention. Doing geothermal requires three things - heat, water, and permeable rock. That’s easy enough to find in seismic hotspots like Indonesia or Iceland, but most of the world isn’t like that, so much of the readily available geothermal has already been developed (kind of like hydro that way). Enhanced geothermal uses the fracking (fracturing) techniques developed for natural gas wells to create permeable rock where it doesn’t currently exist. Water can then be extracted from stranded aquifers deep underground, or pumped from a ground source into the hot, permeable rock. This makes geothermal possible in many places where it can’t be used today.

@user-uy1rg8td1v

Жыл бұрын

I am pro geothermal but I have read there is chance geothermal especially the ones that uses fracking can cause earthquakes.

Cars are not the answer. The way cities are designed/developed also makes a massive impact. For example, the start of the video fails to take into account all the infrastructure and maintenance that went into making car travel possible. These costs are enormous in terms of land, materials, expertise, and other resources in a per traveler basis compared to the Amtrak train.

@faustinpippin9208

Жыл бұрын

true, The root problem is bad zoning, people could live where they work almost in every instance but the zoning is terrible, and the property prices overblown because the taxes when making any transactions regarding property are way to high wich discourages changing living location and makes property more expensive, but even with good zoning you still need roads, you would need less but you still need them no matterm what, unless everyone would have a teleportation device in their house

@Basta11

Жыл бұрын

​@@faustinpippin9208 Roads are important, cars are still important. But we shouldn't make them the center piece of our transportation system and land use policies. For example, even in mix use walkable neighborhoods, minimum parking requirements forces a great deal of space to be dedicated to car storage. Lots of air space isn't used at all because the height of buildings are limited by the amount of parking they can provide. For apartments, fewer larger and more expensive units are favored over a bunch of smaller more economical units since more units means more parking mandated. Supply is curtailed artificially, bring prices rent and condo prices up.

@ZTanMURReneRs

Жыл бұрын

Yes ofc we should transition from car based infrastructure to public transport and bikes as fast as possible but this is not going to happen in time to prevent climate change. So don't use this as an argument to say we shouldn't build EVs. We will need them.

In Germany they have a geothermal power plant which could also be used for extracting lithium from the water they’re pumping up.

@kingace6186

Жыл бұрын

Cool

That Paracetamol sirup shown in 2:06 is currently being recalled in Indonesia for ethylene glycol contamination. The reporters should contact Mrs asfina again and ask if her daughter's still healthy.

@dwiahmad307

Жыл бұрын

Up

@gukgukmaster

Жыл бұрын

Up

@LutraLovegood

Жыл бұрын

Might not be relevant anymore but you should contact Vox directly about using email.

Also good to mention that nuclear power plants, especially High Temperature Gas Cooled Reactors, are suitable and very attractive for direct replacement of existing coal-powered plants while retaining people's jobs.

Cars are NEVER the solution, including electric. Accessible cities and a good public transport infrastructure is the way forward

@RK-cj4oc

Жыл бұрын

Go away bot.

@JohnAzzi430

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenvaneerden7794 The solution is that people shouldn't live in the midwest then being subsidized on us tax breaks for oil and car companies.

@dirahanra2610

Жыл бұрын

@Zaydan Naufal **Jakarta downtown area and some parts of jabodetabek only. The rest is still car dependent. Developers also arent helping, wide avenues to accomodate even MORE cars instead of supplementary public transport investments.

@dirahanra2610

Жыл бұрын

​@Zaydan Naufal systemic solution aside, Jakarta is well and truly over capacity, even without commuters. I think realistically, Jakarta will always be car dependent. Its far more convenient, for now at least. Punctuality is also very hard to achieve in Jakarta's catastrophic density. Like you've said, policy makers are already on the right track. Its just the problem is far bigger than just TODs and managing urban sprawling. It seems that utopian vision of a well-managed city doesn't sit well with Jakarta 😅 Btw, i see you are a man of culture.. Sim City 4 is goated.

@dopaminedreams1122

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnAzzi430 those people grow your food you actual brainlet. Do you inner city liberals actually think your supermarkets just magically restock with zero work in between? Your attacking the people who feed you, peak privledge

When I first saw this video, I thought they were going to discuss the rapidly developing technology around producing lithium from geothermal brines, which essentially creates lithium without any mining beyond the initial bore shaft and with green geothermal energy to boot! Highly recommend they make a follow up video on the subject. The DoE here in the US is actively studying it and there's a company in Germany aiming for commercial scale production by 2025.

Conventional geothermal is not going to matter in the long run. I would suggest looking into advanced closed loop geothermal systems that are currently being developed in Canada, US and Europe. Real gamechanger if they manage to lower drilling costs

I found this to be a bizarre and convoluted story. Firstly, you didn’t mention the caveat that the EV needs to be charged using green energy for it to really produce zero emissions. Second, aren’t coal fired plants a problem in general? I don’t see the need to specifically tie them to nickel mines. Yes nickel mines use a lot of energy but so does literally everything. In fact that car ride you took from NY to DC was probably charged by electricity from a coal power plant.

Pretty big flaw in this video was that Nickel is by no means the most important part of an EV battery. There's certainly going to be a shortage, but LFP (lithium Iron Phosphate) batteries are gaining tractions very rapidly, since they're cheap, easy to produce and more convenient to use (don't degrade when being charge/discharged above/below 80/20%).

2:06 that's the cough syrup that cause acute kidney failure 😭

Deep geothermal drilling w plasmabit tech is my hope for the future. No dangerous fault lines to drill Keeping an eye on Quaise and other such companies for their test drills attempting to reach 10+ km deep

@seankilburn7200

Жыл бұрын

One of the issues I’ve seen with geothermal is that it can struggle to attract investment as there are no guarantees a particular drilling site will be productive. I’m sure Government spending could make up for the lack of private investment though.

@CraftyF0X

Жыл бұрын

Are they the ones using gyrotrons to drill ?

@PlayerXIII

Жыл бұрын

@@CraftyF0X yes, one of them. There are a couple companies using gyrotrons or similarly adapting modern drill tech to try to tackle this geothermal challenge

@CraftyF0X

Жыл бұрын

@@PlayerXIII Let's hope they succeed the potential is enormous.

Geothermal is great, particularly closed loop which is not covered here. Closed loop offers a great way to continue to use Oil and Gas assets, in almost any geology, which are otherwise potentially stranded. It also allows for peaking as working fluid is super heated when left underground, and that allows higher power production when turned on. And, if a super Critical CO2 loop is used, have negligible water requirements and offer a sequesteration site. Kenya should alsi be covered in regards to conventional Geothermal.

Newer battery chemistries are phasing out nickel and cobalt, which will help with this. Hopefully Indonesia can keep expanding their geothermal energy production regardless.

Hopefully this would be the start of a positive cycle where cheaper and greener battery production will help make solar and wind (zero-emission methods that are far less expensive than geothermal) more viable on large scales

Felt like there was a few leaps an the conclusion geothermal will help this problem was kind of forced. Would have liked to have seen list of sources attached

@jeffreysmith4586

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Probably could have just talked about the benefits of geothermal without bring up batteries. Geothermal isn't necessarily any better than wind, solar, hydro, or nuclear for powering mines and nickel processing plants. We are also moving more towards iron ore instead of nickel for many battery applications such as lower priced EVs and grid storage.

So are people getting sick from the coal being burned to process nickel or because of the extraction and or smelting of the nickel itself?

@RichTapestry

Жыл бұрын

Both

@chokeeweebee

Жыл бұрын

People are getting sick from nickel Extraction to smelting to coal burning as none of those activities are being regulated to be less damaging to the environment Oh and also that cough sirup shown 2:06 is also causing childrens kidneys to fail.

The cough syrup at 2:06 actually contains ethylene glycol and it can cause kidney failure on kids ☹️

Geothermal is great because the inside of the earth is always going to be hot and can be reliable. Whereas currently renewables are affected by surface weather. A lot of these are held back because a select few people are making astronomical amounts of money and want to keep it that way.

Rest of Indonesian: ADA INDONESIA CUYY!!!

One point missed here is the amount of water lost in geothermal power generation to steam. A significant portion of an aquifer can be depleted by geothermal use, even if the plant is trying to recirculate the extracted water. Depleting aquifers has significant environmental impacts in its own right. This doesn't mean exploring geothermal isn't a worthwhile venture, but like any other energy production method, it has its trade-offs.

I think one important detail that was missed in this video is about the distance betweeen the factory and the source for geothermal. Usually geothermal is found in remote/mountainous area, so there will be added cost to build tranmission and distribution line from geothermal source to industrial / residential area. So it will be harder to bring electricity from geothermal sources

Luckily there is a form of electric-powered transportation between New York and DC that doesn't rely on lithium ion batteries, Amtrak. That doesn't change the importance of switching to clean power sources, it's just a weird example to choose as a lead-in to this video.

thanks for bringing this issue to the world

Bravo!! finally some answers to the most important questions, understand how clean energy is as important as it's development. The "not only clean but fair"quote is of major importance to create a sustainable way of living. Thank you Vox for the research and the video.

I hope one day someone makes something with ram pumps also

In the future most EVs won't have nickel based batteries, they will be Iron based or LFP batteries. Nickel batteries will be reserved for the high end models where cost is less of a concern and range is king. But the all the affordable models will have cheaper Iron based batteries. Tesla is already doing this with their base models using LFP batteries instead of Nickel, and LFP batteries will be a key component in making EVs more affordable

One question about the electric vehicle I'd like to see, is the comparison of how clean the electricity from the grid you're recharging that EV with.

But even if you construct more geothermal plants in Indonesia, there will still be a need for making batteries all around the world. I don't understand how this can be presented as a solution.

@harukrentz435

Жыл бұрын

Indonesia is the only country on earth whose geothermal power has been more than doubled in the last 8 years, it has taken the philippines place as 2nd biggest geothermal producer and soon will be taking the US in 2024. Also you are correct, geothermal and batteries are different things, we build geothermal and we still need batteries too.

Love this channel, please upload in 4k !! :)

Geothermal energy is not (currently) renewable in an absolute sense, though in practice it almost is. That is because where we can currently access the energy, is where there is heat build up close to the surface, and a sufficiently large power plant will eventually cool the area down, at least specific boreholes and sites. I'm from Iceland, where there is a lot of geothermal energy production, and they semi-regularly "use up" an area. Generally you can just move a few hundred meters and get heat again, but if the operation is large scale enough, there is potential to fully "empty" a particular site (maybe for years, but maybe for centuries).

I'm Indonesian and yes our government now focusing on green and fair energy, coal power plants will be shutdown in coming years maybe in decade

Awesome and Informative reporting. Please do more on Indonesia guys :) , means a lot that explanatory videos like this are getting produced more often about Indonesia.

That's cool didn't knew you could tab into geothermal energy

5:31 Huge mistake by lowering standards. You attract the worst kind of companies that have little care to people and the environment.

Amazing video Vox! You’ve done it again!

A nice tie in from the other day’s dw a planet video on Indonesia where residents worried the new capital would be powered by those coal fired plants but did not talk about the potential for geothermal energy. Good complement!

Thank you for this honesty, objectivity, and hope. This is what is needed in our collective war against man-made climate change.

Geothermal energy has its own risks, taking heat out of the system can effect tectonics and groundwater. There is also ways to "incentivize" the system to be more productive with drilling and other activity. I support geothermal energy as a geologist, but its not free energy and it isn't without risk.

Gathering Place & Guthrie Green public parks here in Tulsa both use geothermal, and Guthrie's geothermal powers all the buildings that surround the park. I work there, its very cool.

The problem is, many people in the governments in Indonesia, including the ministers get rich from coal and nickel mining. So there are no incentive for them to make clean energy. They even passed regulation about subsidizing EV to boost up the EV sales, to make more demand for their mines

@widodoakrom3938

6 ай бұрын

Well it can't be helped

Hold on! That cough syrup at 2:06 is one of those contaminated by DEG and EG which currently being banned in Indonesia!

I saw a video with a start who made a laser drill, that doesn't melt when drilling deep. They said this could unlock geothermal in any country.

Geothermal in Indonesia won't solve the need for nickel in the rest of the world, infortunatelly. And energy storage isn't the only industry where nickel is needed.

@neolithictransitrevolution427

Жыл бұрын

Geothermal may be useful globally to reduce power energy storage needs, along alternative batteries like iron or liquid metal. But yes Nickel isn't going anywhere.

@oggy0509

Жыл бұрын

@Zaydan Naufal there's probably no energy resource option without any drawback. Coal mining and oil extraction have their own negative implications for the staff, the nearby residents, and the environment too. Not to mention they release CO2 as the end product. The same for the renewable energy options. We'd probably gonna sacrifice the area where the materials are extracted for battery and car production, for cleaner air in the majority of other parts of the planet, sadly. Unless we can do interplanetary travel and extract the other planets' resources in an efficient way. As long as the energy hunger of the populace keeps growing, there's no positive impact on the environment.

Yeah, Indonesia is sititng above one of the biggest geothermal energy source. But, it is still an expensive technology and you gotta cut a lot of trees which led to deforestation. It is not easy to fulfil the energy demand for a country with population of 200mil+ people not mentioned the geographical limitation adding more difficulty for electric distribution. Im not in position of pro and cons but I just want to highlights that there are a lot of factor that involve in taking decision regarding energy.

we're building one to power our town in Unalaska AK port of Dutch Harbor. the project has been going for a few years now.

When geothermal is also examined is has multiple hurdles and limitations as well. Also, Tesla is already producing iron lithium batteries absent of nickel or cobalt for its cheaper models (the range is less and so is battery cost). The future of energy production and storage will be a mix of multiple technologies driven by resource availability and economic viability.

Yep. My condo has both hot water & heating from it. It is cheap to start with and moreover rising energy costs aren't a problem for me.... Especially with 5 different lines of public transit within a 10-15 minute walk (2 metro lines, 2 train lines, 1 tram), who needs a car then.....

This is why we need to invest in geothermal & modern advanced nuclear energy options. Small form reactors, LFTRs, Thorium Reactors, liquid reactors. With the use of modern technology, advanced engineering, material science, safety measures understandings and designs, computer technology, robotics, It will really allow any nation to be pretty much be energy independent. Less reliant on fossil fuels. They'll have efficient, stable electrical grids and the rest of the grid could experiment with alternative power sources, etc. We need to heal from the trauma of our past and see that it came solely from Us not understanding what we were doing, not have advanced enough technology, material science, engineering, safety measures, understanding of how to go about everything, etc. This source of energy will greatly help the world improve towards the future and lowering emissions more than anything else could while having a very stable electrical grid system. Currently we have alternative energy options but the majority of our grid is powered off of fossil fuels and emission producing sources of energy. We will be so much better going forward commiting to modern advanced nuclear energy options.

alternative: go by train (To the transportation, this is still useful for other rare metal applications

You forgot to say that lithium can be extracted from geothermal fluids.

@zyansheep

Жыл бұрын

Is it economically viable?

@neolithictransitrevolution427

Жыл бұрын

that's heavily dependent on the geology of the location.

If you don't solve the last mile problem with public transit, then you don't really have a viable system, and the last mile is a major issue in rural areas and for people who can't stand or walk for very long due to mobility issues. EVs have engineering problems to be solved, but there's always going to be a use for cars in general due to their sheer convenience outside of dense urban areas.

@tomkelly8827

Жыл бұрын

A mile is not a long walk. If people walked more then less people would have mobility issues.

@shatner2811

Жыл бұрын

Is major issue

Scientists are really just rediscovering what Rimworld players have known all along

Sure, I’m just gonna quickly replace my li-ion battery in my car with a geothermal power plant

This is a big problem

@azizaziz4416

Жыл бұрын

No way

Has anyone here used to live by a blast furnace at a steel mill? You get dust accumulation like this all the time. Seems like the smelting process is the real culprit here.

Interesting doc!

EU built a geothermal plant in UK as well - truly non-stop renewable energy, coming from the core of our earth. Btw, Lithium batteries are not all high carbon - Sweden and Norway are starting to produce very low-carbon batteries, with a process that takes significantly longer(~5 years) but extremely low carbon.

I heard with some improvements here and there you can use older and outcof service coal power plants. . Good thing you would safe time money and resources and dock on pre existing infrastructure

That is my hometown, you all think nickel industry is bad for the people?? Well .. nickel industry is job for us. If you shut it down, millions people will suffer.

@harukrentz435

Жыл бұрын

Nah bro they want you to suffer to live in the forest like aborigin people.

0:29: “the most prominent” of green house has emotions. By your own pie chart it appears the most prominent is electricity

Great report!

Geothermal can give a base load.d from.renewable sources. This will help in reducing the major issues of renewable energy.

Driving from NYC to DC for work??? Just take the train!!

At 6:10 you forgot two geothermal plants in Azores (13 and 16,6 MW)

Yes! Good idea.

Zero emissions is a interesting belief system, we humans tell ourselves to justify the action... 😮

this also neglects that the electricity created for an EV can be almost completely made up of fossil fuels in some areas (especially in the US). Another issue is that the current electricity network is nowhere near large enough to house a population composed of only EVs, at least in most large countries. so by saying that if we just magically made all cars electric, based on the current infrastructure, 1. fossil fuels will still be used, and 2. there will be a lack of energy. Other commentators have pointed this out but I thought I should mention that we should not assume its only for cars. A truly "green" future would not involve cars, as mentioned earlier, it would be impossible at our current battery capacity. I hope this makes sense. interesting video though

Hmm was this considered when opening Coal mines

While we definitely need li-ion batteries, let's build more electric vehicles that don't need batteries like trains

As an engineer I wonder how much PW or EW of energy we could possibly extract geothermically before we will start to create problems there? Obviously for now geothermal energy is a great way to move forward, but the 2nd law of thermodynamics makes it very clear that we can't extract energy from anywhere without it costing something. As we drain the geothermal reserves the earth's core will cool down eventually causing a collapse of the earth's magnetic field exposing us to deadly solar radiation. So I wonder how much energy is available geothermically? Centuries? Millenia? Enough until we evolve into another species? Eons? Anyone's got a ball park figure on that?

one thing we should do is to put in place effective supply chain regulations. I live in Germany and we have very weak regulations and most countries like the us have non at all. it would basically say that companies have to fulfill the same standards in their supply chain as in the country they are selling in. you wouldn't have the same dust problems if it the plants were in developed nations because we have regulations against that

The Electric Vehicle (Electric motor, no shift, etc.) itself is the future but the battery is not. We should focus the research in better energy storage possibilities.

Thank you for this truth.

Geothermal + Nuclear + Solar for dispatchable loads = win

You guys should check out eavor They are doing a self sustaining closed loop geothermal

I feel so bad for those kids! Thos helpless parents must be feeling so terrible that they cannot provide a healthier living place to their kids!

Hi Vox. This may be irrelevant to the subject presented, but I'm curious how Avina's daughters are doing right now. Because the cough syrup they had there was one of the many drugs blacklisted by the government due to a possible link to kidney failure that killed 100 children in the country.

Is the heat that is needed for the extraction of nickel in these plants directly provided through the burning of coal in some kind of oven or is electricity used to do so? If coal is burned on site to generate the heat, is the generated heat from geothermal sources high enough to replace the heat provied through the burning of coal?

Not just green, but fair!

Nickel is not required for batteries. There are other common chemistries, perhaps most notably LFP.

I don't understand the connection to nickel. Would the energy from geothermal plants not still require batteries to be stored?

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You can stop pumping geothermal, and that allows the fluid in the reservoir to reach temperatures beyond the plants steady state operations. This super heated fluid then can be pumped when peaking energy is needed, and produce above the plants rated output. Geothermal is often sold as base load, but often can be q powerful peaking tool.

Nickel is the main alloying element in stainless steel and stainless steel is found just about everywhere

Funny how we are focusing on the 18% with eletric cars versus the other section because if they force eletric cars that means the consumer have to pay versus businesses

Good video - I'm enthusiastic about the opportunities for geothermal energy. However, you had far too much emphasis on the difficulties of extracting nickel. Newer battery chemistries are already making this outdated. For example, the majority of Tesla cars are already sold without nickel in their lithium iron phosphate batteries. And next year, sodium ion batteries will hit main stream.

Geothermal seems a super great idea. But how will you distribute the energy? How much will it will cost to transfer electricity to main land?

Geothermal clean? Come take a shower at my place. I live close to a big geothermal site in Palinpinon, Valencia, Negros Oriental, The Philippines (for those wanting to look it up). My shower often smells like H2S (rotten eggs) because of the geothermal sites taking H2S from the ground and putting it in surface water. I wonder what else is in there. I am lucky that I can afford purified drinking water, so it's probably just a nuisance for me. But there are plenty of people in the mountains here who don't have access to it.

Discussing the preproduction of batteries is very important because its atrocious and detrimental but we also need to be thinking post as well, what are we going to be doing with all these giant car batteries once they finally kick the bucket. We already know from our phones that re-chargeable batteries don't last forever

Have you done a video about how much damage is done by oil production? Or Coal production? Or Iron production? Or Aluminium production? And a lot of batteries (LFP) doesn’t use any nickel.

Great video! Typo in the caption though at 1:56

The only issue I have with this is lithium batteries are for electrical storage and geothermal is for electrical production. It’s literally comparing apples to oranges. Energy produced from a geothermal plant could end up in a lithium battery.