Show Notes: www.superherostuffpod.com/post/batman-returns-novelization-different-from-the-movie

I know it's only a minor character detail, but one of my favourite deleted moments that appears in the novelisation, which wasn't brought up in the episode, is where The Ice Princess shoves an old lady down during the first Red Triangle Circus Gang attack. Not only does it make her character less sympathetic and her death less sad, it adds to the overall sense in the novelisation that during that first attack, people are genuinely getting harmed, and possibly killed. There's talk of people being crushed. With respect to the Bat-signal shining at the end, I always assumed two thing: The Red Triangle Circus Gang was apprehended, and was able to exonerate Batman, and Gordon was calling on Batman to clear his name.

Batman Returns, Home Alone and Friday After Next is my best Christmas movies.

@walter_the_wobot2349

6 ай бұрын

I watch 3 movies every Christmas. Batman Returns - Christmas Eve Santa Claus The Movie - Christmas Day Die Hard - Boxing Day

"Unlimited poontang" is bad, but "Eat floor. High fiber" is even worse, especially since it comes from Batman. I'd really like to know if it was Waters or Strick who wrote that one. Batman talks too much in this one. (Even talks to himself when the Batmobile gets remotely hijacked.) He was mostly silent in '89, pretty much only speaking when he needed to, and his one-liners were never cheesy. (The closest to being cheesy was "You weigh a little more than 108", which was an actually funny line.)

44:20 - Finally, someone who agrees that "Returns" isn't "darker" than '89. Yes, thematically, it may be more of a downer, but '89 still has a darker and edgier tone to it, partly because it seems like a more serious and realistic film (albeit still in a somewhat surrealistic environment). This one is so cartoony in its characterizations, texture and ridiculous elements, it's hard to take much of it seriously. The film is even lit brighter and has a more colorful palette than '89. I've never understood why so many find this film "darker" than first one. Bruce's flashback to the murder of his parents is infinitely darker than anything in this movie. A threat of drowning kids in toxic waste ain't actually doing it, and doesn't make a movie "dark". Kids cartoons have had worse threats in them.

@kamdan2011

6 ай бұрын

There’s interviews with Burton where he expressed confusion over why Returns was received as darker and lighter than the first film. You hit the nail on the head on it being a question of whether you’re talking in terms of themes or how it looks. People also tend to forget how dark the first film went. I know it’s shocking to see The Penguin bite someone’s nose but what was their reaction to The Joker fying someone to death with a joy buzzer and the way he treats the charred corpse afterwords? It can be dismissed as well for being a cartoony image. I just accept it on both terms.

The Penguin is actually 35 years old in 1992 since its 35 years later after his parents dumped him when he was a baby

As far as Batman Returns is concerned, the canopies slowed down Catwoman's fall so she did not die. The cats surrounding her are a red herring. The scene itself is straight from one of the covers of the comic book series Catwoman year one. She suffered a head injury that brought about another personality, maybe her real one. Selina even tells Max and Bruce she has amnesia. Nosferatu inspired the look of the film. And the Penguin was combined with the Mutant Leader from The Dark Knight Returns.

Funny enough I am actually reading this today!

Those stripes are all Tim Burton. There's nothing like them in any other non-Tim Burton film Duffield's worked on.

y'all should cover Constantine movie comic: the hellblazer collection by Steven T. Seagle, Neil Gaiman, Jamie Delano & Garth Ennis. i just finished reading that last night, man they changed alot of the movie story for it's comic adaptation. i can't wait for Constantine 2!

The Making Of Book was my first introduction into the film. Would you ever consider making a video around it?

I think I had mentioned this before, back in the late 90s I bought 'The Bat Box', I think it was around when Batman and Robin was released. It was a box of the novelizations of Batman, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, but it didn't have Returns! However I picked it up on eBay a few years ago. When I started to read it I thought that it followed the final movie very closely so I stopped. Craig Shaw Gardener also wrote one of my favourite novelizations of my childhood, Back to the Future Part 2 lol. Great show once again Ben and Andrew, loving the Returns content and funnily enough I went back and listened to the Daniel Waters episode again myself on Friday!

40:26 - I wouldn't say the comic adaptation was meant for children, just for general audiences. It may not have had "Unlimited poontang", but it did still have lines like "Naked sexual charisma."

Think that the new batman 89 comic series that was made will ever be made into an animated film?

@dreamlandnightmare

6 ай бұрын

Hopefully not. The animation style always ruins the style of the comics they adapt.

Riddler Me at this? Why Does Batman Returns Take Place At Christmas time Answer?