Don't forget to subscribe to the channel and tell us your favorite animatics that aren't AnniFlamma's Ruthlessness! We already plan to have that be part of the video! Puppeteer animatics by Gigi Wouldn't you like animatic by Ximena Natzel Done For animatic by AnniFlamma There are Other Ways animatic by AnniFlamma

@freshmanwas

Ай бұрын

Can I recommend Rochi's "Monster" animatic? kzread.info/dash/bejne/eYGOvNVxacTPnNo.htmlsi=lpqT6iS2_boNqckO

@zhymonspuzzle9186

Ай бұрын

BTW I do believe that Jorge, the composer and voice of Oddysseus, has stated that he has taken inspiration from Hamilton.

@freshmanwas

Ай бұрын

Hi, think my previous comment was deleted because it had a youtube link; Rochi's "Monster" animatic was great, albeit a bit of a rough draft

@zyke02

Ай бұрын

also yes Carmen was a huge inspo for the Circe music

I still love that the entire Epic fandom collectively decided that everyone is taller the Odysseus, we love a short king, literally

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

Short king for life!

@justarose

Ай бұрын

Pretty sure almost all of the epic cast are taller than Jorge, so...

@kiratheusagiisworkshop5266

28 күн бұрын

It's hilarious because it's because everyone's taller then Jorge and he himself has made a joke out of it 😂

Fun mythological fact: Hermes invented the lyre, so that's why Jorge chose a harp for the instrument that represents Hermes.

Getting rickrolled by Hermes? Can't even be mad, it's a vibe 💃🕺

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

I couldn't stop laughing when I heard that famous drum lick!

@pcjohnny

Ай бұрын

And for more Hermes energy, check out Troy Doherty. A handful of great songs and more and more shorts with Hermes taking over.

The opening instrumental of Puppeteer is a slowed down lyric instrumental of Full Speed Ahead "Polites gear up. You and I'll go ahead. We should try to find a way no one ends up dead."

@aka_batgirl

Ай бұрын

I always hear the line "Watch where the birds fly They will lead us to land There we'll hunt for food, my second in command" during that part because Eurylochus is the one who is about to speak right after that riff so i thought it was meant to reiterate that he is the second in command... but honestly the Polities line being what is heard here probably makes more sense because Odysseus is reflecting on the losses they have suffered and wallowing in some guilt.

@gamerhalim2486

Ай бұрын

And a common theme is when the crew and eurylochus doubting odysseus the melody of luck runs out plays. Luck runs out plays in the back while eurylochus was about open up to odysseus. And in a later song in act 2 where eurylochus and odysseus fight the same theme plays.

@Galaxy_Productions

18 сағат бұрын

The line I always think of is "Give me till sunrise, and if we don't return, then 600 men can make this whole place burn." Because they are now on a new island without those 600 men

Fun fact, In the song There are Other Ways, the lyrics were supposed to say 10 long years instead of 12 due to of course Odysseus was at war for 10 years, but Jorge accidentally wrote 12. SO new head canon from Jorge is either Ody was lying, adding more years to appeal to Circe, or he's just bad at numbers. I'm on the latter side lol

@Souru_TV

Ай бұрын

There was a headcannon i heard that said that Politese was responsible for the calander for birthdays but now that he's dead nobody really knows which day it is.

@SantosoWijaya

13 күн бұрын

Or it could just be that the detours so far had taken a couple dozen months. They were on an oar ship, not an aeroplanes. Sailing takes months, and that’s without a god scattering you about.

Oh, the Underworld Saga is going to TEAR U APART!

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

Oh it already did don't you worry!

Fun fact: Jorge and Circe's VA started dating during the recording of the musical (I think during? They *are* dating though) 11:48 the imagery of them bringing out a pig on a platter hits different when you know that she turns men into pigs, lol 20:03 another fun thing I found out about from someone elses reaction, at this point in the song (when Hermes appears briefly in the animatic) you can actually hear a Harp in the background, which is his instrument

@altarudragonspirit4016

Ай бұрын

23:44 iiac, the danger motif is in a triangle progression; it might be easier to spot in 'No Longer You' 30:27 another thing I learned from a different reaction is that Hermes is actually one of the few Greek gods that will actually give blessings or whatever for nothing in return. also he is Circe's ex so that also plays a part in it, lol 32:27 also funny thing about the Final Fantasy allusions, Jorge said that Eurylochus canonically has a Cloud Strife sword, so 50:34 tWelvE lOnG yEaRs

@C0mput3-

Ай бұрын

Does the other reaction happen to be Mortius or Casper

@altarudragonspirit4016

Ай бұрын

@@C0mput3- yis

I'm not prepared for the Underworld Saga again. It will make me cry like it always does.

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

I'm not ready either, I haven't heard it yet -Mala the editor

Crashite's luck runs out is my favorite of the luck runs out animatics, as it has them on the ship while Eurylecus is sowing doubt and shows the men and its very good at showing that "Eurylecus. Not here. Not now. Maybe DONT talk doubt in front of the soldiers against the general??? What are you doing???"

I have to say "Wouldn't you like" is up there as one of my absolute favorite songs. I've been replaying it for over a week now 😂

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

It is quite the banger. I r listened to it wayyy too many times at this point!

your sense of memory is INCREDIBLE when it comes to remembering the melodies of previous songs! it’s so fun hearing you compare them and talk about the progression changes and stuff. also chuckling every time you called jorge george. 😭🤣 i am sure he’s used to that mistake, haha! it was so fun hearing you break down the circe saga instrumentals and emotions. your insights are so dang fun!

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate it! I've had fun trying to find all the little Easter eggs as Jorge puts it!

Don’t push yourself too hard! If you’re best with instruments and motifs stuff you don’t have to do lyrics if you don’t want - I love your analysis-s and reactions

The Motif you noticed was actually Full Speed Ahead from thr 1st saga, it's used as shorthand for being on the boat.

@birubu

23 күн бұрын

“What does this melody mean?” “Boat” “What?” “Boat”

Okay literally no one has mentioned it for AnniFlamma's Animatics, but there is a brilliant bit of visual story telling for Circe. She has a ribbon or a bit of Vine, something the she wears as a bracelet through "Done For" and "Other Ways" this is all she has left of one of the Nymphs that they lost to the strangers they previously let live when they came to the Island, we can see it own one's wrist as it's being grabbed by one of the Men. Circe wears it in her memory and to remind her not to trust outsiders. It is why she "...Protects them (the Nymphs) at all costs." We see it again when she begins tempting Odysseus with S*x, and even tells him if " You want to save your men from the fire, show me that you're willing to burn." he has to be willing to submit to the burning lust of another the way she does to protect the Nymphs. the Bracelet is also featured on the shot of the two pulling back and forth, they are fighting over similar things there is so much power both have but they aren't fighting for power but to protect their people and see them safe. Finally the Bracelet is seen when Circe decides to help, and she movers it from her wrist to tying back her hair, she's putting it behind her but still on her mind, She can give others another chance without forgetting the world can be a dark place. There's so much one little detail can bring out visually.

@speedy01247

Ай бұрын

Doesn't that also tie into Odysseus having polites headband wrapped around an arm as well, they both have reminders of those they have lost and why they are fighting for their people who remain.

@BiasFree

Ай бұрын

@@speedy01247 yep.

Any time you have a deity of any sort, their instrument is always accompanied by synths to separate them from the mortal men beneath them on the hierarchy

The drums sound like it could also be the "DADA BA BA BUM BUM I can feel it, coming in the air tonight~"

My favorite theory of why Odysseys says 12 and not 10 is bc Polites was the only one keeping track of the calendar.

"I have been in love once before"... Name's Picus. The poor guy was married to a nymph and refused Circe's advances. Because of that, he was transformed in a woodpecker by her.

I honestly love seeing you geeking out about this musical!! because this has been me for the last few months! and good catch on the underworld main melody! I know you said you don't really catch all the lyrics, but just a note that the underworld is mostly ody talking to himself so lyrics are about 70% of what is going on

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

Underworld has already been reacted to and will be uploaded next Monday, same time and place, but my Manager says I did an amazing job with it so I'm sure it's fine!

@emmawessa2102

Ай бұрын

@@sunoshecano3837 I am sure you did! Can't wait

If this pattern goes on, I for one am excited for the 4 hour underworld analysis, and then the 7 hour thunder saga when it is released.

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

Underworld is just as long as Circe even with it having less songs than Circe, so be ready for the mega nerd cut there.

I have only seen two reactors catch the Habanera in this saga and I’m so excited you are one of them. I figured you would catch it since you focus so much on the music. So fun. Also Omg I didn’t catch the rickroll. Atta boy Jorge (hor-hey).

49:10 "BADADAAA, THATS THE DANGER MOTIV WE HAVE HEARD THAT BEFORE" penelope: offended

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

Lol I know that was probably Penelope's theme but my brain was looking for similarities with motives!

@RandomPerson-qv1lh

Ай бұрын

well, if penelope knew and odysseus went thru with it.... it WILL be a danger motif

If you still don't know, the creator's name is pronounced "Hor-hey", or something like that :)

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

We've told him after all the recording is finished for through Underworld Saga, hence why I figured I'd have my fun with joking about George while we still have it pronounced like that -Mala the editor

@jazzyjaz5910

Ай бұрын

⁠@@sunoshecano3837seeing a picture of jorge with "George" under it is too funny to me

I'm so addicted to this musical, and your reactions to it especially are just the best!

WolfyTheWitch’s Polyphemus and Survive animatic is super good!

idk if you noticed but you didnt mention it but when Ody said its been 12 long years thats wrong. its only been 10 years and when someone mentioned it Jorge admitted it was a mistake and it was too late to change it. people still love to come up with theories to explain the extra 2 years and my personal favorite is that Polites was always the person to keep track of the calendar to make sure everyones birthdays were celebrated so when Polites died nobody kept track anymore

I was just wanted to point out a little detail. The violin motif heard at 49:03 is not the danger motif, it's Penelope's, Odysseus' wife. It is to signify he is thinking about her. But you are right, we have heard it before, in The Horse and the Infant and Keep Your Friends Close. Good video though, love watching your reactions to Epic.

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

I noticed I called the wrong motif after going back and listening to it! Thank you for the correction!

Personally I think that the strings instrument we hear is Circe's instrument

Small tidbit is he summons a cyclops to fight her chimera so theres abit of irony in that he uses the vestige of a priorly defeated foe to fight a new one Also it is canon that they summon those as you can hear the cyclops roar and jorge had a canon animation made with a cyclops and chimera

Me still wondering what Eurylochus wanted to say to Odysseus: 😐

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

I was sitting there like "Well that's never getting touched on until much later" in the edit too -Mala the editor

@user-gc3qy6vv6h

Ай бұрын

You think that Eurylochus has feeling for Odysseus ?

@StargazeVOD

Ай бұрын

@@user-gc3qy6vv6h nah. I think he wanted to say something like "Captain, your Hybris is making you loose the trust of your crew. You need to accept listening to other people opinions " or something like that

@TheCanderemy

Ай бұрын

​@@StargazeVODhe says he has something he must confess. Remember, in the song beforehand, the crew betrayed Ody's orders and opened the bag. He was prolly one of the people that opened the bag or he at least knew about the crew's plans but didnt stop them. Now, he's feeling guilty cos almost all their men died.

@StargazeVOD

Ай бұрын

@@TheCanderemy maybe! That's a cool theory. Maybe we'll know later (I don't follow the updates posted by Jorge because I want to discover the songs when they'll be released, but maybe it's already explained)

Every time you called Jorge(Hor-hey) George I couldn't help but laugh because that's my dad's name 😂

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

I am terrible be with names!!!! This might just become a meme for me.

I was so hyped to see you react to this saga!! Welcome to the Epic world!

Mircsy’s My Goodbye and Polyphemus animatics are really good! You should check those out as well. Her Warrior of the Mind animatic is good as well, but my fav is definitely the first two.

To add to Herme’s trickster nature he’s also the god of travelers and thieves.

Instrumental of puppeteer is mostly strings, but I believe it’s more of a lyre than a japanese instrument, as Jorge uses mostly western instruments to symbolize his characters, so it’s more western strings and synths

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

Fair point. It just sounded very oriental to me!

Hamilton was a big influence on Jorge's first musical, and some of the early Epic music drafts/demos were more audibly Hamilton-influenced. (Lin Manuel Miranda and Jorge Rivera Herrans are also both from the same region - Puerto Rico - which might also be a shared sound influence, I'm not sure)

What’s interesting with the first motif of puppeteer is that it is actually a shared motif that is the prevelanr motif of temalachus’s song legendary. (Odysseus’s son). So maybe the start of the song starts with Odysseus thinking about how his son is doing and that’s why he’s so adamant about dismissing his second in command.

This is relly good! I really enjoyed watching this!

This nerdfest of a video is exactly what I needed today. Thank you you beautiful person.

I'd love you to react to "Six" the musical based on the life of king Henry the seventh's six marriages.

@carlycchapman

Ай бұрын

King Henry the Eighth, but close enough

You are amazing, and I am so so looking forward to your take on Underworld ^_^

From my understanding, Circe is a minor Goddess of Magic, hence why they call her a sorceress or witch

@carlycchapman

Ай бұрын

And Hermes is Odysseus's Great Grandfather 🤣

Would definitely recommend reacting to Mirscy's "My Goodbye" animatic.

@45:03 that was riviting! I've never been so facinated in my life or giggled so hard

Watching you talk about the men to pigs thing with your little hawk perched on your shoulder is hysterical.

Did you notice in the flashback that there were *four* nymphs and in present time there are *three* nymphs now

“Ulysseuses” 😂

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

I'm terrible with names!

@Shadeius

Ай бұрын

@@sunoshecano3837 An easy way to remember it is "You really cuss" because he's a sailor.

i dont understand everything you're saying but i feel like im learning a lot lol

Jorge took inspiration from several video games and similar things

Thx for the reaction

After Epic I would recommend SIX the musical. It's fun and a bit shorter, I believe each of the queens has roughly 3 or so artists that inspired them and it's fun to try to figure those out. Also there are several good animatics that go with the songs and in-between parts though I also recommend the live version.

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

Thank you for the recommendation!

These are not my findings but someone else pointed it out in another reaction or comments of a reaction and I learned the other one from Jorge. First In wouldn’t you like Hermes goes: “You must consume and digest it Then you'll manifest a being of your creation All you need's imagination Though it's only for a moment 'Til you've beaten for opponent” And then in the animatic that you watched and it can also kinda be shown in the song lyrics as well but right after Odysseus says “you lost” that was when Circe started to get the upper hand because the herb stopped working because he had “beaten his opponent.” Second Jorge said that in the animatic of Done for, he had wanted Odysseus to summon a cyclops because of what he learned from the cyclops. About how even though he’s slow, when he has a weapon in his hand he can do some serious damage, and that’s why he was only winning when the cyclops had a club type weapon in his hand. He was basically taking what he knew and using it in other aspects. Like how he did in the ocean saga with the wind bag or the lotus fruit with the cyclops itself.

🤣🤣🤣 That riveting joke was INSPIRED.🤣🤣🤣

I'll give you a hint about the "danger motif." The danger motif is only two notes.

@TheSaharay1

Ай бұрын

It's more than 2 notes though

Note to editor: LOL 😂

I ALSO THOUGHT OF CARMEN WHEN I HEARD THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME I love that you caught that ((I DIDNT catch the rick roll lmaooo))

Oh yeah the "rick roll drum line" if i remember correctly is just a very popular drum progression used in disco music, so I don't necissarily think it was a rick roll reference, but it would be pretty funny XD

at 5:19, you can hear the melody of "Luck Runs Out", the song where Eurylochus starts questionning Odysseus' leadership, playing on the piano very faintly in the background (I only noticed bc I listen to music with headphones on), which represents Eurylochus' lingering doubt, which is only further amplified when Odysseus is dismissive of him.

The opening bit was a callback to the end of full speed ahead, i think after oddyseus says 'watch where the birds fly!' just incase u don't know

i loved the rivoting break

I've seen that you stream on twitch, do you also stream KZread? Or is that some conflict of interest? Also, love your insights on these songs, I never would've noticed the Rick roll. 😄 🤣

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

I am toying with starting streams on KZread. My computer is not the best so I'm experimenting with multi streams!

@MyCreativeArsenal

Ай бұрын

Ok, thank you!

Fun fact: Odysseus is related to Hermes

I had a feeling you'd really appreciate Wouldn't You Like

IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED THE RICK ROLL 💀

44:52 What riveting content.

My favorite animatic would be mircsy's My Goodbye. Just really love how dramatic it was to me.

Puppeteer: I believe the sequence is a call back to just a man. Wouldn't you like: Is my favorite, but doesn't have a best animatic. Hermes is summarized as the messenger god, but I think that means all aspects. Done for: Chimera vs Polyphemus, I don't recall if Odysseus projected him or not There are other ways: 12yrs, the horse and the infant said the war was 10yrs. So they have been at sea for 2yrs already for a 10 day journey. Also notice how Circe and Odysseus said there's no puppet here, but then begs let us puppets leave. Underworld Saga: I love all three and have trouble picking a favorite. The Underworld by TheeArteest No Longer You by Krieo Monster by gigi other: Just a man by gigi (for monster) Warrior of the mind by mircy (I like the artist's detail, also has animatics for other songs) (might as well add My Goodbye and just a man) Luck runs out by Jen (would recommend Crashite's and his Keep your friends close but he cuts it off) Keep your friends close by Ximena Natzel

That riveting was riveting

@MalachiaVT

Ай бұрын

Thank you, it was absolutely the most riveting editing I've ever done -Editor Mala

Hold onto your butts

Why does nobody ever also do Puppeteer by Ximena Natzel? Gigi is amazing, but it makes more sense to do them both in a row if you're doing one of them?

@liminalpsych

Ай бұрын

Ximena's Puppeteer is seriously underrated, I love it

@evecampbell3069

Ай бұрын

@@liminalpsych I know! I love the part where she has the string around Eurylochus's throat like Circe planned it all!

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

It has been added to the list of animatics to react to!

@evecampbell3069

Ай бұрын

@@sunoshecano3837 Thank you so much!!!

It was Chimera not just a lion

Definitely shouldn't call it a Calypso beat in a story about the odyssey /j

@sunoshecano3837

Ай бұрын

I knooow. The irony is not lost on me!!!