I've filed a protest on someone for a far more egregious intentional wreck than that and he only got a 1 week ban. If you got a permanent ban for this there are other factors at play, likely including a poor history of protests filed against you.

@LithFox

3 жыл бұрын

It's the history of protests filed against him.

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it's the history, but as I say, the last few bans have been very minor. I used to intentionally wreck people after they'd taken me out. But I haven't done that in years now...

@TheJacobAnwyl

3 жыл бұрын

Other factors include 5242 starts over 12 years, iRacing underestimating how long people would be using the service and not having the protest penalty point system reset.

@BrKnOblivion

3 жыл бұрын

@@McLeod40 It's shit, they don't have a system where the penalties slide. It's worse than a criminal record.

@AndreMadach

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe an appeals system comprised entirely of your peers. Members must be on a randomized and rotating basis with no conflict of interest whatsoever with anyone involved that would ensure impartiality. How hard would it be to create an algorithm that keeps players who may have beef with each other apart too. In real life the points on your license reset they should here as well and the policies should be fully transparent. I don't believe in lifetime bans, sanctions, temporary bans from particular circuits or fines ect. Fine. Intent matters whether you succeed or not, just changes the charge from murder 1 to murder 2/manslaughter and all are interchangeable.

With the barber skip, you come back to the track when your car is destroyed and you have to take a TOW. In addition, you put a steering wheel to expel the next competitor ... With the Ferrari GT3, you start a fight with a competitor while you already have +1L due to an accident + TOW. As if that wasn’t enough, you jump into the corner at the last moment, losing the trajectory to lean on the other Ferrari. With an iRating like this, it means you’ve been riding iRacing for a long time. Having such an experienced behavior means you probably always rode like this. Yet, iRacing warns right from the start that the philosophy of the main game is to try to run clean. This is not your case, and I dare not imagine the number of player's racing that you had to destroy ... iRacing is a very expensive game. To be permanently banned, you really had to do a lot.

@kagenlim5271

3 жыл бұрын

Or just that iracing is toxic as hell

@ChazISfat

3 жыл бұрын

@@kagenlim5271 nah this dude is tho. forsure lmao

@kagenlim5271

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChazISfat I mean online racing in general is very toxic. I never finished an online race ever, because out of T1, there will always be some big accident that wipes me out completely

@jorehaast9887

3 жыл бұрын

@@kagenlim5271 with f1 games yes. Iracing is different tho

@pedrosilvamusician

3 жыл бұрын

@@kagenlim5271 That's because you can't drive, you have to be smart to avoid crashes. Most guys think they need to get to P1 on the first corner

My question is, why did it take them 12 years to ban a guy who still divebombs and revenge wrecks despite having an A license?

@rolandotillit2867

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know this guy so what are you saying?

@rolandotillit2867

3 жыл бұрын

@SimRacingNerd Who is he? I don't know him so how can I say one way or the other?

@Leynad778

3 жыл бұрын

Was McLeod40 did was perfectly fine and just how GT-racing is. I saw many moves like that in real GT3-racing without any consequence other than applauding mods. General rule is: If you are side-by-side enough to be seen by the opponent through the side window (so even not fully door to door, which was the case in those moves) it's not the former leaders corner anymore and he need to leave space. Divebomb is braking so late you can't properly make the corner or just sticking your nose into the line of the opponent like at 0:38 for example.

@Leynad778

3 жыл бұрын

@SimRacingNerd Who doesn't? IMO even retaliate an intentional crash should not lead to a ban. In the past people did fist-fights to settle it or retaliate it in later races. But people who retaliate for getting overtaken fairly without obvious damage are just pain in the ass for others and should get banned. iRacing is full of those jerks and even worse in the top-split. But the system in iRacing is provoking it. With an A or even B licence it's only about iRating and in the real world you don't loose points while trying, but only can gain them. Also you usually don't compete with everyone in the world, but your locals first and iRacing could do this as well by doing splits accoring to the location and not just iRating.

@kayzenl7911

3 жыл бұрын

You can divebomb wtf is wrong with you

I do not care for the iRacing protest system and it's very inconsistent...very. But, if you have been banned indefinately it wasn't due to a few incidents, you have obviously been acting out for a while and deserve it.

@chdbur

3 жыл бұрын

I remember you from the corvette challenge days Raymond ...long time ago man

@raymondchapman5990

3 жыл бұрын

@@chdbur hey Chad. Yeh I remember your name from those days too.

@TeamAbrams

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe this guy deserves it in this instance. But Nim and Shannon (who does the appeals for those who don't know) absolutely play politics when it comes to the protest system. That's the only reason the protest system is as bad as it is. They are hypocritical losers who will ban people just for disagreeing with them and calling them a name, as I found out firsthand. They, especially Nim, put on the good guy facade in public but they'll change the rules on you in a split second if you cross them. Absolute petty, hypocritical, dishonest losers who couldn't give a shit about their customers.

@joshuahill3618

3 жыл бұрын

@@TeamAbrams Wait I pay $170AU for only 2 stewards across all iracing? Doesn't seem like enough people to review incidents???

@cademckee7276

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshuahill3618 most protests I’ve submitted have been resolved within a day so nope.

You took someone out intentionally as retaliation and this wasnt your first time. What all these stories you are telling us honestly? Well deserved!!!

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if you seen the intro, but that was me being taken out a lot, not one of them is protestable. My incident is. The point of the video was to ask what's fair. And before you comment, I know retaliation is bad, but you should be able to protest the rest of it.

@khorsus7403

3 жыл бұрын

@@McLeod40 I have watched big portion of your video to understand the point. What's fair is to protest malicious behavior, if there is even 1% chance that it might be a just a racing incident, nobody should get penalized with a ban. In your scenario you just took out the opponent 100% malicious intent. Do you kill someone in real life just because he crashed into your car? You don't. Same logic. Understand your mistake and don't do it again. Simple as that.

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

The point of the video was to show how bad 15 days of incidents are, and they're not reportable. That's my issue.

@JoakimBL

3 жыл бұрын

@@McLeod40 they are all reportable. Report everything if you chose to. That doesn't mean that it's omg agrees with your assessment. When you stop using the protest system, don't complain about it not working.

@nickwonttell8584

2 жыл бұрын

@@McLeod40 you could of reported the incidents against you and maybe someone with prior history with a number of bans like you would have also got a permanent ban that was 100% deserved.

When a forza rammer tries iracing

This just sounds like this guy complaining on how its everyone else's fault that "he" got banned. I find it difficult to see how everyone else has caused you to get banned. Another example of someone that can't take responsibility for his own actions.

@empress_alex

2 жыл бұрын

If you look at all the incudents he shows at the start, they clearly aren't his fault lol.

@spencew.g.

2 жыл бұрын

@@empress_alex LMAO.

@DanielMunoz-st8rb

2 жыл бұрын

@@empress_alex I'm glad you're making your opinion out of just one side of the story.

@craigyboy4770

Жыл бұрын

7:50 huge divebomb, calls it fair lol. Then shortly after the guy divebombs back, now its unfair. Was literally the same move! Can't see he's half the problem that's probably why the ban was put in place

good thing is u dont have to worry about iracing anymore.

Its the same as Rugby mate. Retaliation gets you a Red Card

@Konformation07

3 жыл бұрын

It's always the second guy who gets caught

I gotta be honest here man, I think the fact that you got banned is on you. You can blame it on the protest system all you want to make yourself feel better, but at the end of the day man, people that get angry and retaliate for people's mistakes, intentional or not, are not people I want to be racing with. Think about it this way, over your twelve years in iRacing, and your thousands of races, you've participated in enough shady behavior and wrecks to win yourself a ban. I understand that your erratic driving might have ended years ago, but at the end of the day you still have to take responsibility for that behavior, even if it was in fact years ago. I think you just got karma'd, so to speak. At some point you have to step back and think about why you're getting wrapped up in all these wrecks and drama in the first place, even if they aren't necessarily entirely your fault. Personally I hope you get unbanned my man, but if nothing else, at least take the opportunity to learn something from this instead of unloading all of it on iRacing's protest system.

@CertifiedForkLiftOperator69420

3 жыл бұрын

why iracing is a meme lol.

@pauldinardi9457

3 жыл бұрын

I know his ban was lifted, so it was basically a time out....early on, I also retaliated, sometimes it's hard to control that emotion, especially when you set aside time to race, and end up in back to back to back races, with....and it only takes 1 idiot, to ruin a weekend. How many times, have you seen the same drivers in the same races, especially if you are working on a license increase? Everyone participating in the same events, and while the split system sometimes separates, many times you end up in the same heat. I literally ended up in 3 heats, with a guy that was obviously drunk(Chat) in 3 of 3 races, he took people out. Most people will not wait the cool down period and report, but if this guy was running 3 races, I'm betting he ran 10. How many people lost places as a result of his behavior. While ultimately he may have been reported, and possibly banned, are the point losses due to his behavior returned? He was a lap down, taking the pole sitter out, and that crash took the 3 Podiums out as well to dnf....the work those 3 guys put in, lost. Point being, there is no one size fits all punishment. And for the money someone spent over 12 years, I think it's in iracings best interest, to investigate as much as possible, before handing out permanent bans.

@tryingtosurvive8518

3 жыл бұрын

Whatever bro your not perfect you have wrecked people and been wrecked The protest system is Shit ! It should be the same for each driver not like the American judicial system Different strokes for different folks !

@notdreadyet33

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. Looking at 7:50, which he said happened twice that race in the same corner, he is divebombing the car in front. If you're not along side, at least the wheels, then you have no right to that line.

@niismo.

3 жыл бұрын

@@notdreadyet33 Yeah, I wonder how his line wouldve looked like if there wasn't another car to stop him

I’ve also been in iRacing since it was in beta and there is no way that they banned you indefinitely for the incident you posted. It was either for a different incident or there is a LOT of history. I can say, you have shown more incidents reported against you, and by you, in one video than I’ve been involved in during the entire time I’ve been on iRacing. You need to evaluate your approach to racing.

Omg they do follow up on protests!

Retaliation is the key here as it removes any chance of it being a racing incident or just genuine human error. We don't want people banned just because of mistakes, overdriving, getting too deep into corners from time to time - we want them banned for cheating and for deliberate attempts to cause a crash. Retaliation is rightly regarded as more serious than the original incident that triggered the retaliation.

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

Any other series in the world penalises people for mistakes regardless if it was intended or not. We don't want people banned for single mistakes, but you should be able to report incidents that are careless. Once they add up then something can be done.

@trailingrails9953

3 жыл бұрын

If it is as serious as you say, why have all the intentional retaliations (and attempts at retaliation) that he reported been completely ignored?

@Daz555Daz

3 жыл бұрын

@@trailingrails9953 Fair enough but that is a little bit like being upset about getting a speeding ticket just because you know other motorists have sped and got away with it.

@LargeFry1

2 жыл бұрын

Oddly enough, bans from this sort of thing are rare. call someone a shithead though = instaban. yup, happened to me

@PBMS123

Ай бұрын

@@McLeod40 Any other series would NEVER tolerate deliberate taking someone out, regardless of someone was "at fault" for a driving incident. Hard driving, even when someone is at fault, doesn't require it to be intentional. I've seen you're replies, and you are refusing to accept that deliberate retaliation is worse than driving too hard and have an incident.... Seriously man, take responsibility, you directly and intentionally took someone out as a form of retaliation. You do that, and that will ALWAYS overshadow the original incident, and you are refusing to accept that fact.

Let’s face it, it’s obviously not your first time. I’ve retaliated a few times and only had warnings. I’ve seen you race and it’s not pretty. Maybe go easy on the beer and you might drive safer and calmer.

I actually like your ideas for reforming the protest system. That said, you got clapped for totally legitimate reasons.

@cesco1990

2 жыл бұрын

Nobody needs to be clapped indefinetly, after spending the amount iRacing asks, for behavioural reasons if you can make a second account within five minutes. Moron.

@scullystie4389

2 жыл бұрын

@@cesco1990 did someone piss in your cheerios today?

@isaacsmith2224

2 жыл бұрын

Cesco So you’re saying you wouldn’t want someone who spends lots on iRacing ruining other peoples times on iRacing who spent just as much to be banned? Are you saying that money spent is a reason for someone to not be banned? How about you follow the rules

@cesco1990

2 жыл бұрын

@@isaacsmith2224 It's not like he was crashing into random people. He's only retaliating on the morons that ruin races on purpose, without collateral. Makes him a hero. If iRacing would only adhere to their own rules, but no, instead iRacing acts like the mafia.

@scullystie4389

2 жыл бұрын

@@cesco1990 you have an odd interpretation of things. This guy isn't Batman, iRacing isn't going to tolerate vigilante justice. Come on.

I am going to protest every single time I am curses at, wrecked and harassed. Far to many times I have been cleaned out and I never filed a complaint. But I will be doing this now.

Appreciate the recap .. definitely your points need to be addressed but unfortunately those doing the reviews seem to be over looking the obvious including if the other drivers make a habit of retaliating

You absolutely deserved a suspension if you intentionally hit another car in the past. Come on, man. Take responsibility for your actions, the reason you're banned is because you won't.

@Ulver27

3 жыл бұрын

I think indefinitely is too much.

Pro tip: don't be an asshole and you won't get banned. My actual concern is that if you are willing to keep sim racing in multiplayers titles, i might find you around in raceroom ruining my races now that you are banned in iracing. Learn to behave and take care

so what's next? Netflix will Ban me for watching Terminator too many times ?..

I’m sick of the dive bombers myself. It’s been old. Use brakes

I was in so many streams balkn/Quirk/Dan and many more... all have the same to say. If a car hit you, you protest the guy and blame him on stream. But when you hit a car its not your fault. they all are happy you get banned. Nobody likes your "drunk and drive" counter, its so stupid....! So or so you brake the iracing rules many times and thats it. Keep the head down and good luck. cheers

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

They're only happy I got banned because they don't like having so many people see them get beat by someone having a few beers. Unfortunately for them, I'm back on the service and am going to be back kicking their asses from here on in 😂

@Tony_P

3 жыл бұрын

@@McLeod40 Fuckwit

@JoakimBL

3 жыл бұрын

@@McLeod40 well at least you didn't learn anything then

@Ulver27

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoakimBL How so? Because he likes to win?

@haid1449

2 жыл бұрын

@@McLeod40 can never take a drunk like you seriously

About the incident you're reviewing at 6:35 and the e-mail afterwards: You forgot to cut out the description of the protest because it's clear you've protested something else and not the incident you just showed.

@jamiedavinci1328

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously lmao. His evidence isn't even consistent from what he's shown us here, I have a very hard time believing he's telling the full story as a whole.

@KevinsCorral1

Жыл бұрын

Noticed this too.

Once you get a feel for what is actually a protestable incident, the voice at 3:56 will prevent you from making less viable protests. 8:06 was identical to 7:42. Maybe iRacing is a better judge.

@d.o.5238

3 жыл бұрын

Not even close. 7:42 he's able to stick to the inside line, 8:06 the attacking car is missing the apex completely

@pedrosilvamusician

3 жыл бұрын

@@d.o.5238 It was identical, it was a random divebomb. At 7:42 he was never making that overtake unless the guy just completely avoided him and at that speed nobody can do anything. Based on all the situations i've seen, he just looks like he's not trying to race cleanly but much more of a push over style of driving.

@allenmark7981

3 жыл бұрын

Have to agree. Both moves where from way too far back so it's get out of the way or we're having an accident. What happens at the actual corner with those kinds of moves is irrelevant.

This whole video just made me never want to get iracing

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

Check out the video I just uploaded. It's not always like that. I'm back racing again and had some epic races since being back!

The one clip where you said he locked up and you hit him, he appears to have actually blown the motor. All that black smoke is an engine failure. Probably downshifted too many gears at once. The wheels will lock up for a brief moment when that occures.

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I know, but it's dumb af to do, which is as reckless than what he did to take me out again, and more reckless than me getting into him afterwards.

You use dive boomb like strategy so normal! it's a so dangerous driving way! you cannot excuse this kind of driving. Maybe It's not fair cause there are a ton of ppl that driving like this. but if you drive like this, the Karma catch you up.

@Mcquiz95

3 жыл бұрын

Daniel Ricciardo gets praised for divebombing all the time though.

@AidanMillward

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mcquiz95 senna is regarded as a god for his divebombing. He even punted a guy off in a premeditated move over something petty and people think it’s justified. It’s crazy.

@hippyjason

3 жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward But but but Saint Senna _is_ a god.

"that guy is a shithead so I'm going to be the same level" followed by "boo hoo I'm a toxic twatt"

Seems justified. The ban that is, not your actions

How many times have you been banned, suspended, reported for retaliation?

Sad to see that his ban is lifted :(

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry bro, clearly you're only upset because I'm taking your valuable iRating

@TB1Z_

3 жыл бұрын

@@McLeod40 you're not taking many people's irating at 1.5k.

@cademckee7276

3 жыл бұрын

@@TB1Z_ Bruh you murdered this man

@bryanlomo9897

3 жыл бұрын

@@McLeod40 I can see why you got that permanent ban with this attitude dude, hopefully u get banned again soon.

The opening montage is all you need to see. Cheers for being so cool during all of this craziness.

I actually think you have incriminated yourself in this video, leading me to wonder what you got up to on track that you are NOT telling us. Surely a life ban decision isn't taken lightly by this mob and you were likely given many opportunities to adjust your driving???

@michaeljarvis6587

3 жыл бұрын

Let's be honest here, he's edited this video to show us what he wants us to see.

@yepwhatever1142

Жыл бұрын

I've full on retaliated many times and never even gotten a warning, they were well earned though. lol. This guy must've used the N word or something.

iRacing rules are very clear against retaliation. This is a prime example of retaliation, no question. You broke the rules and you paid the price. Don't play the "but others did worse" card. Just own up to what YOU did and learn from it to improve yourself. If you want to get the account back I bet you it is going to help. I wish for you to get back on track, better than ever. Thanks for sharing

Good to hear they're banning people for stuff like that.

@CoasterMan13Official

3 жыл бұрын

They should ban false reporting noobs like you

@RyanHellyer

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much all of my protests seem to be unheld, so I don't think being a false reporter is a problem of mine.

@CoasterMan13Official

3 жыл бұрын

@@RyanHellyer I don't even play the game. I know nothing about it. I apologize.

Guessing that wasn’t your first protest for that since I’ve seen way worse with no bans

I’m kinda torn on these incidents. As a GT racer, those two dives on the inside were not very clean. I get you weren’t give much room but you could’ve easily taken him a few turns later if you had the pace. The skip barber race, the first one, I can’t tell if it’s mechanical failure because you were dragging to the left but when the car passes, the car turns more than it already had. So for that I can’t really know. A permanent ban is definitely not right for you and I hope you get unbanned some how, but retaliation is no at all the way no matter how heated the moment is. And I know that’s easy to say through a computer screen in a comment but it’s not. Race the way you want to be raced back. You retaliate, they’ll retaliate back. You try a risky dive down the inside, they’ll try the same thing it’s always how it is

@christoforospaphitis4090

2 жыл бұрын

These moves were aggressive and ambitious but still fair. It reminded me of some of Verstappens overtakes which are bullying the driver in front. Now retaliation for these moves are not condoned at all... as a driver of the car that just got passed in that manned i understand you're fuming but relaliating in that manner is not the way. Now he got reported for hitting someone while he had damage. I do not know if the swerve to the left was intentional or due to the damage, if it was intentional he rightly got banned. That being said we all made stupid mistakes and I also overshooted a few time the braking zone and took out another guy out, nothing intentional but there have been instances when people do hit intentionally and it's clear as day but do not get banned or anything. However he is correct that the protest systems needs a rework.

So, you hit a guy dive bombing him after he started turning in, then he follows and makes the corner just fine, then he goes to dive bomb you, but BEFORE you turned in, you turn right into him. That’s what I see as an outsider, not knowing each driver.

8:48 Dude you are divebombing in the hairpin. He should not retaliate like that, but he was in front when steering in to the apex. You had zero overspeed on the straight and if he was not there to slow you down you would never made the corner in a decent way.

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

You have a very delusional idea on racing my friend. Have you ever watched any motorsport in real life?

@allesbehalvewaterstond

3 жыл бұрын

@@McLeod40 Well said, sure the banning of iracing hasn't anything got to do with the way you drive and the protests against you. The braking point is around the 100m sign you're not even close to the car at that point.

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

@@allesbehalvewaterstond it was a textbook move mate. I was under control the entire time and I definitely didn't need him to slow down. I definitely agree that the retaliation was over the top though, even though iRacing said he did nothing wrong.

@findear7785

3 жыл бұрын

@@McLeod40 Deserved the ban and 50% dislikes, enjoy it.

@brodeur212

3 жыл бұрын

Not a divebomb but not textbook either. Though just discovered the channel ! Rip The sequence needed longer clip definitely

Protests are strange. I reported someone multiple times for intentional wrecking. First time they didn’t even respond. Second incident they responded but he wasn’t suspended or anything because he was in the very next race... (after the reply?)

@Blue_Monkey

3 жыл бұрын

There are 4 things that can happen: Your protest is thrown out, your protest leads them to put the driver in question on a watch list, your protest leads to a warning and last but not least, the driver gets suspended (usually 1 week, 2 weeks, 4 weeks, indefinitely).

Quique Sánchez R is crazy. I know him from my times of late skippies in Uruguay and he, in Spain, at 4am, after raced 14 o 15 races non stop, he continue risking everyones race. Sad that iRacing just care on insults and not what they provoke them.

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah man, iRacing said I have a lack of respect for others, however he's made so many contacts with me over the course of a week I lost my cool with him.

J'ai connu un pilote qui a obtenu la même sanction, après 2 BAN de 1 mois, le 3ème est définitif. cela dit, rien n'empêche iRacing de reconsidérer sa décision, vous devez leur expliquer le nombre de courses que vous faites par semaine, je sais que vous êtes très actif, car évidemment plus vous feriez de courses plus vous devrez vous impliquer, responsable ou non ... et surtout faites savoir à iRacing votre attachement à cette simulation pour n'importe qui d'autre. et le portefeuille que vous avez investi, dans un mois, nous vous reverrons. (sorry for my english)

So I got banned from the forums after 10 years as a paying customer and owning the 100% content for about 6-7 years. My assessment is: you deserved it. I'd usually have some story to share, but honestly, you don't deserve it. You don't deserve sympathy here. Not for this. Maybe you're going through some rough shit. Maybe stuff is hard. I feel for you there. But you can't take it out on others and if you ARE, you need to recognize that and fall back. I personally finally just started getting my own shit together. I still have a long way to go, but... god damn if I don't realize how much of a dick i was on the forums. So take this time to sit back, recognize your failures. You might be able to contact iracing later and overturn the ban but you should take some time to improve yourself first. I don't wish ill on anyone in this community, and I certainly would rather see people get better than get banned. But you sound like you need a break and need to sit back and realize where YOUR faults in this situation are.

@mclovinnz

3 жыл бұрын

Most pointless comment of the day goes too? No one cares about your bum life story mate.

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

Agree, and my previous bans have stopped me from retaliating. Yeah shit is tough, but that's not the issue, the issue is you can get taken out time and time again, report them, nothing gets done, then if you act back the same way they drive they ban you because they know you can drive clean. They really need to penalise reckless driving, not just if it's intentional...

@n0body550

3 жыл бұрын

@@McLeod40 point is, dont act back

Hey mate, I totally agree that the protest system needs to change. I am only a new member to iracing. 1year. And have filed a few protests for blatant poor driving with nothing coming from it. To a point now I just don’t bother. In the short time I have been on I think the last 3 months the driving standards have definitely gone down and nothing is happening. That bad I am racing from the back just to try and get my safety rating up. By no means Iam I a great driver and have made mistakes and taking people out. But have both apologise during the race and sent messages just in case they didn’t hear it during the race. Yes we all want to race, and to win, but there is no risk for some people and therefore no consequences for poor driving. I think there is something that needs to be done and more transparent reporting. Here hoping for better driving

You get raced the way you race.

@ccramit

3 жыл бұрын

Well, not necessarily. Can't say much for this guy as I don't watch his videos, but there are assholes who just race like assholes even if you've never met them in a lobby before.

@pauldinardi9457

3 жыл бұрын

If that were true, I'd have no issue, sadly, it's far from true.

Ive protested for retaliations, and they only ever seem to get a day or two off.

the fact you have been involved in enough incidents to make a montage out of it is very telling lol, people are gonna race you the way you race them.

@Danny-ur4bf

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah all those rear ends are telling. How dare he have his car there

@peteparisetti6983

Жыл бұрын

People will definitely NOT race you the way you race them! What world do you live in?

@flatsz

Жыл бұрын

@@peteparisetti6983 why are you necroing a one year old comment do you expect me to care enough to argue with you?

Just curious but why is it a big deal if someone wrecks you after the finish? I think you mentioned you didn't get incidents for it so just curious on why people get so worked up on it...

@lemurdreamur9257

2 жыл бұрын

Unless something has changed since back in the day I think its still 1/2 ins. After the race? I may be wrong about that as I haven't checked in a long time...

Those late passes up the inside bro 🤦🏾‍♂️

@gregprochnow2830

3 жыл бұрын

What was wrong with them other than being aggressive? He had the inside and was up to the mirrors if not front wheels on both. In both cases the line was his as he had established position and it is up to the other driver to cede. Both of those moves were calculated. The door bang on one of them is insignificant and if a driver takes umbrage to those then that driver should not be racing against people, just AI. The problem with iRacing ( 4 year and current user) is that they enable drivers to think that if they stay on their line, they then own the track and no one is allowed to challenge them, especially in cases such as shown in the video. What many iRacers fail to realize (either through willful or blissful ignorance) is that IRL (we claim it is a sim, not a game, correct?) moves such as he made are done all the time, with resultant contact made in many cases. The difference is that IRL while the drivers may get pissed they also know that they will make the very same move if given the chance. Many iRacers don't. They then get their underclothes wadded up and protest. iRacing, not wishing to lose subscribers (money) refuse to tell these "racers" to grow up and acknowledge that racing will have incidents, and stop filing protests because feelings were hurt. While the first incident in the Skippy may have been purposeful ( I cannot see enough to be sure) the incident where he ran into the back of the Skippy in front was either due to the other driver purposely causing the incident or a blown motor causing the incident. That iRacing chose to use that against him is ridiculous and shows a bias that should not be there on the part of iRacing. What I want to know is this: If my subscription is banned because iRacing lacks the ability to be objective (which they have shown that they do) when do I get my pro-rated money back for the time I was banned?

@BossLifeCouple

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregprochnow2830 no not his I’m talking about the other guys he was showing in the beginning of the video I assume were murdering him, his passes were aggressive but the other guy could have definitely given him room, I’ve heard about how bad the community can be on iracing, I’ve never played it as I sim race on my console but yeah it seems like a lot of people get butt hurt here and/or aren’t on here to actually “sim race” just drive like assholes

@BossLifeCouple

3 жыл бұрын

But yeah his passes were kinda aggressive like I said before idk if my self personally would have dive bombed that late because I’m sure in a real life race he would have been penalized for that big time

Agree with what you're saying. I've protested a handful of times, only when someone clearly takes me out intentionally. Always comes back as no malice. Wide open throttle into my door in a turn, no malice lol. Iracing's reporting system is a joke, always has been.

what do y'all think the like/dislike ratio is on this? 0.2? or lower?

had a guy take me out the other night, he was in first place and it was lap 2, i slid into him which was my fault no doubt so he waited and smashed into me on the next lap..then when he came out of the repair he rammed me from behind again but he lost control and then the next lap he just went straight in a turn and took me out... at the end of all of this he still thinks his actions were justified...

i like how they dont put persons name on the letter. just says Iracing at end of letter.

Iracing is like probation once they have your money they can get rid of you.

I'm torn, some incidents feel like you're too aggressive but then the retaliation or stupid driving from others also sucks. I will say in ACC you could easily have lost a fair amount of SA (safety rating) because of the retaliation from others, so it's not always grass is greener on another sim. ACC applies penalties to both cars regardless of who is 'truly at fault'. Even a light bumper or door-on-door collision can result in lost SA

@shorty808100

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah he is overly aggressive with his driving which causes incidents that’s why he’s been permanently banned he’s probably been protested a ton of times looks like he’s the type to retaliate when he gets hit

good to hear

so you think retaliation should be allowed if it's done after someone wrongs you?

You've had a couple of time outs and you clearly can't control your temper. What you did deserved a ban. Trying to deflect only what other racers did in the past is like something a child would do. Accept your 100% deserved ban and man up and move on.

@reviewsitall8739

3 жыл бұрын

No that’s dumb af. It’s a video game people spend money on. Shouldn’t be banned permanently

@howlers77

3 жыл бұрын

@@reviewsitall8739 nope, everyone else spends money on it too and shouldn't have their experience ruined by this child. Ban is totally fine here.

@TheGravyMonster

3 жыл бұрын

@@reviewsitall8739 So if I pay enough money I get to act like a complete tool and ruin everyone else's experiences? That's a shitty take.

@jesschambers6551

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGravyMonster but that's the take in this world. Spend enough money or throw a big enough tantrum, and you will get what you want

Sorry about your banned 😢😢😢, Did you get a warning or temporary ban 1st? This make me scared to invest money in this and then get banned😢, did they give you money back?

You for sure turned left on the guy.

do people just protest every incident?

What how come I saw you streaming iracing yesterday did u get unbanned or something maybe I’m not caught up with this or something

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah this video is a few weeks old now, and have since been unbanned :)

@bradinator2139

3 жыл бұрын

@@McLeod40 ok man that’s good what did u say to them for them to unban u

You did not get banned for this one incident you got banned for several incidents. You deserve it

I’m sure I’ve threatened this guys life a couple times..

no buts about it buddy 2 wrongs don't make a right you got what you deserve

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, but my point is you protest them for their mistakes and nothing happens. Can't just sit back and let people keep getting away with taking others out.

@DrewHiRacingNASCARWinPOVs

3 жыл бұрын

@@McLeod40 someone can purposely wreck the leader on the last lap and get a warning, you retaliate on a guy running 15th who raced you like trash the whole race you get suspended. (True story) I protest people every day and I get the same pre written message. When I called them out in a passive aggressive but nice way in my appeal I get a snarky short sided email back. Once I win a crown jewel oval race I’m done with this thing.

Did this get fixed for u McLeod and if not u want me to get involved

First off, I don't know you, this is the first vid of yours I've seen. Whilst, we have one side of the whole 12 year story here, I feel very sorry for you. On the other hand I have no doubt IRacing will have kept everything that's went down in the past 12 years. As a new member I am guessing IRacing does not even bother to react to any protest till a member has had a number of protests against them. They will then look deeper into the full history of all the reports. This business will not ban people for one instance, that's not business.

You dive, they dive, you dive, they dive. Tit for tat. This is different to turning into a car on a straight. And as they mention, if a pattern of behaviour is established then sanctions will come down, and a pattern has indeed been established. This video isn't helping you state your case.

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

The fact that there's some absolute blatent mistakes from others doing more damage that what I've done is the issue. Every incident in the intro is apparently "mistakes" made by the driver. They made a split second decision and ran into the back of me. What I want to know, is how is that different to a split second desion from me, which we all know was also a mistake. Can't take it back, can apologise and move on, but I've now got no way of contacting any party about it.

@buzzfightbeer8023

3 жыл бұрын

@@McLeod40 yeah, you need to be less defensive and reflect on YOUR mistakes. Pointing fingers at others shows a pretty big character flaw that you seriously need to work on. This video should have been "here's where I screwed up and how I got banned. Sorry to iRacing and to my fans. Taking time off to be introspective and reflect on how I got here". No, I'm not saying I am better than you or anyone else. I am speaking from my own experience with lessons learned the hard way. Focus on yourself. Don't worry about what everyone else is doing and if this or that is fair or not. Life is not fair. But your attitude and the way in which you deal with adversity is what either makes you successful or leads to continual failure.

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

@@buzzfightbeer8023 this wasn't my intention of the video. I'm not saying I didn't make mistakes, just showing how there's so much carnage on iRacing that doesn't get a second look from iracing.

You contradict yourself because you show replays where the other guy didn't get a protest penalty and imply iracing should be more strict but you got banned with the current rules. As long as you don't intentionally wreck someone you won't get banned. You won't get banned for honest mistakes.

Don't sweat it. iRacing is total garbage. I race IRL and iRacing is total shit. Their point system for incidents is terrible, and the whole system is fucked.

Anyone who waits for the other driver to catch up just to crash him out "to teach him a lesson ? lol" deserves this.

@leoheaton387

3 жыл бұрын

Your as useless as the dislike button on comments

@McLeod40

3 жыл бұрын

Clearly I was going flat out. My car was ruined 😂

@CoyHere

3 жыл бұрын

Clearly who ever rear ends and says sorry and tryed to win deserves to be sent to the moon

i use to run a lot on ovals in the iracing nascar truck series ... one day i got into it with another driver at texas motor speedway. in the dogleg he pushed up into me while i was passing high spun me into the grass ... i called him a f*4king idiot. and from there he got angry and proceeded to spin me once .. and under caution he comes flying up behind me and read ended me with another 4 x and then brake checked the guy behind us and then he proceeded to hit me 3 times each resulting in a 4x and the result was me being kicked out of the race ... all from incidences i never caused ... i got 4x for first contact 1 x for off track 4 x for his retaliation ... and then his monkey move resulted in 3 seperate 4x ... i lost something like 1.50 safety rating as a result i went from A class to C and it was all this idiots doing for nothing... for being called an idiot... i reported him and wrote his name down and swore i would spin that son of a bitch out every chance i got... i never saw him again.

Stuff that happens when you drive series like Ferrari fixed ans Skippy...

Watching this video settles my decision to ever purchase iRacing. Seem very corrupt .

Tried iRacing for a month. What a shitfest. Even when you have a decent iRating. Only league racing gives me the pleasure of online racing.

No way were you banned for only that. Had to have been more protests or you have been banned before.

@compulsorybasicteabelly1368

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. What are we not seeing from thus pleb?

How can we get that guy banned as well?

I've given up on protesting other drivers, jackshit is done about it. ''Racing incidents'' i'm fed up with this bullshit.

So, I'm by no means a pro sim racer. But, I am a very keen racing fan and from the clips I see here (most not all) , the incidents where you were hit or you drove into the back of someone were completely avoidable by a more proficient driver. The late dive bomb when yoh leave a 2 car width on your inside on the racing line should be expected. Sorry bro, you need to wise up before you crie wolf 🐺

Too many people play without VR and have no situational awareness.

I quit Skippies to save my mental health. Its horrid. And iRacing appear to be reluctant to clear it up. You spend all that money, all that time, and you get rammed off the track constantly with no apology. It puts you in a fit of rage and, well yeah. Ive never intentionally wrecked someone but if I had of stayed in skippy I would have no doubt. iRacing need to improve the quality of driving without a doubt.

sad to see that they gave you the oportunity to return. Hopefully the next one will be permanent

@McLeod40

6 ай бұрын

Been back a while now mate, can't stop winning now 💪😂

[Nelson]HA HA![/Nelson]

Dave Cam another KZreadr was in your skipy race under the name Mac Evad. You can see your crash on his page and the commentary.

You need help. The move at 8:15, you dive bomb and lean into them. No wonder they’re frustrated. Dive bomb.

Good luck with the appeal mate. Otherwise, New Account, New Identity! Don't let em stomp you out Mitch, you've given over a decade to the service 👌👍

@GR19611

3 жыл бұрын

Its just a game.Time for a new start.

Ah wow, I was actually thinking of trying to get into sim racing and getting a rig for Iracing but I don’t think I will bother, looks like Iracing system sucks

The ones that get me, are the ones guys wreck me. And I’m the one who gets all the damage, and loses places. No drive through or anything for the offender. I say if higher tier races had a live steward every so often that would be cool. Maybe not realistic. Idk

get a Lawyer

Yeah, idk man. Yours was clearly intentional and is not ok, but I don't think a ban was needed. You must have a history of doing it or something. The first one you showed where the car missed you was too close to call. The 2nd one he was trying to make the turn, was it a terrible move on their end, 100%. Low IR drivers are going to make those moves, and you saw before the incident he was trying to get the spot back and was looking aggressive., So it wasn't going to end well. He showed really early he was going, you should have broke early and let him go. He's either not going to make the turn or if he does stay on track, then keep pressure on him and let him make a mistake. You cant change the way other people drive but you can change how you approach people like that when racing. There is always something you could have done different. It seems like you're putting all the blame on others instead of thinking what you could have done differently. I used to get so mad at people like the guy who sent it on you, until I started thinking different. Hope it helps man.

I don't even play the game. But it seems fair to ban this guy. Well done i-racing . It makes me want to play it if they clamp down on guys like this who deliberately crash into people.

@CoasterMan13Official

3 жыл бұрын

Rubbing is racing.

@Ulver27

3 жыл бұрын

@@CoasterMan13Official Rubbing, not divebombing

@CoasterMan13Official

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ulver27 Dale Earnhardt Sr. divebombed and they didn't penalize him. What the hell was that for?

@Ulver27

3 жыл бұрын

@@CoasterMan13Official Which case?

@CoasterMan13Official

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ulver27 His infamous "pass in the grass"

This ain't the whole story. I've never been protested and I've been on iRacing for years.

He makes moves it's okay, someone else against him Oh hell na

All good but you cant dive bomb like that, you are using the oponent to stop and should give position back. if you can do it cleanly then its another story but generally we watch our rear view mirror to see if there aint some numpty that dive bombs.

At 7:50 you think that was fair? That was dirty. What did you expect?!

Just for everybody talking about getting ban‘s in Iracing. Playing for 5 long years no. ZERO ban‘s… Just sayn

I understand that he went into the back of you but if you look at your telemetry, it is clear that you turn straight into him

Why do people try and drive a destroyed car back to the pits 😡

Iracing can be an absolute joke sometimes

Simply put. Iracing has been taken over by gamers. ( not racers) they are running the racers off the service. They will treat the service like a game , not a sim. Crashing after the finnish, treating others like crap , racing dirty and using the protest system like a toy.

@TheOfficialOriginalChad

3 жыл бұрын

That might be the case for low SoF oval series (I’ve barely touched oval), but it’s certainly not the case for the road series I run.