100% Art. Well done Banksy.

Well done Banksy. Well done Andy.

Andy, these are the kinds of videos where your unique POV and talents blossom Fantastic commentary

This was excellent

This was excellent commentary. ( I WOULD like more like this since you ask)

Art’s purpose is to provoke a visceral response. This piece obviously succeeds because of the response it created. It reminds of his painting that was sold at Christie’s or Sothabey’s. Immediately after it was sold a switch was activated and the painting was shredded in the frame in front of a stunned wealthy auction audience. That piece, like this one, convey’s any number of complex meanings. Brilliant I think.

@shonkyindustries

4 күн бұрын

If I remember correctly, the shredded painting was recovered, stuck back together again and then gained in value.

@colinburroughs9871

2 күн бұрын

"Art’s purpose is to provoke a visceral response"- Art can be all kinds of things, but creating a visceral response doesn't need Art (art's real aim is to point to the divine, thank you)- just go call your old lady heavy and tell her it's art.

thanks for your POV

Thanks for being level-headed and sensible about this. Great content.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

4 күн бұрын

I appreciate that!

Thanks for your view.

Well done Banksy and thanks Andy for this. No coverage of it here in the states of course. (Too busy covering the end of our Democracy.)

A lot of people has tried to explain what art is (and isnot) and eweryone fails,, you have a very good atempt…

Banksy is a bloody genius and one of the few things that makes me feel remotely patriotic - excellent commentary. You got another sub. I used to work in technical theatre 😊

Andy, you developed some really good thoughts ... I liked that idea of art rather conveying feelings than clear messages (14:45)

Chris Cutler of Recommended Records, Henry Cow and Pere Ubu once said: „Failure is a Part of Art“. Good Taste does not guarantee Great Art. Art shall be Free, but absolute Freedom is „Übermensch“ and highly dangerous. But then in Art Blood is Ketchup, so the Thing is to Discuss Conceptual Art. Nobody is bound to like every Art, but Art that calls for the Destruction of Live and Health can be damned, only the big Majority of Art, failed and tasteless as it might be should be tolerated. The Way I phrase this shows that I am not an Artist; only a Lover of Art who in Doubt opts for Art. I really liked some of the great Merle Haggard Songs, as wrong as I found their Conclusions! Some People say Art shall be Political, some say it shouldn’t, but since Art is made by People and not Machines Artists are free to be political or not. And back to Chris Cutler: The Failure of Art today might be its Success in the Future.

A thought provoking critique - only a few days before the general election and one of the main topics for discussion is around illegal immigration. The question is at what depth do you want to go into this - shallow or deep? What has Glastonbury become? It has removed itself completely from that alternative scene of the early 1970's and is now a business promoting social Marxist morality and a way to virtue signal that morality. I caught a bit of Glastonbury on TV and the thought came to me that this was basically like witnessing a Hitler Youth rally but with a different mask..! As far as the dinghy - how about looking into the globalist policies from the west that are causing people to seek to escape their own countries in the first place - there lies the morality that should be questioned but people are distracted into always looking at the effects and not the causes.

@Walesktf

4 күн бұрын

Spot on! You are so right on two points. First, that Glastonbury "has removed itself completely from that alternative scene of the early 1970's and is now a business promoting social Marxist morality and a way to virtue signal that morality". Secondly that "Glastonbury on TV and the thought came to me that this was basically like witnessing a Hitler Youth rally but with a different mask..!" I too thought the same when I saw clips of this years festival. For me it was a modern Nazi Rally with a 2024 face. Very well and articulately put.

@timosullivan6160

4 күн бұрын

Of course it's a business, always has been. It's called the music "industry" for a reason. It's how many people pay their bills and put food on the table for their families. The people who earn a living from it, watch it in person or on TV don't care about your childish name calling. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Roll on Glastonbury 2025, the fun police will never stop it 😊

@richardmace1428

4 күн бұрын

@@Walesktf thank you my friend.

Absolutely fantastic have a wonderful day Andy ❤😊

Banksy is quite an amazing artist for these times. If GBN is constipated over it, that's a good thing. My fave is his Dorothy being stopped and searched.

Well stated, that was a great act. Add to it the actual rescue boat funded by Banksy. These people need our help. Yes it is political. And art. Imagine that.

Excellent video Andy! Watching Glastonbury and seeing the whole dingy floating over the crowd during The Idols, made me think of so many of my friends that did not make the travel from Cuba to Florida and would have loved to visit Glastonbury at some point that I just broke down and cried like a baby, as far as I am concerned, thumbs up, and I'm no fan of him... Anything that creates discussion is fine by me

Nice take on this Andy. 👍

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

4 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Topic stirs up the scorn. Seething blood boiling with hatreds and forsaking of all the platitudes they give to the sermons on the mount. Right to the true heart of mankind huh. See what ya did Banksy!

Dinghy in the crowd, nowt new... Rammstein did it, years ago!

@bobsbigboy_

5 күн бұрын

and now all six of em go from a B stage back to the main stage all on dingys! and indeed theyve been doing this since 1998!

He released the dinghy during the isles song "Danny nedelko" which is about a Ukrainian refugee friend of the band and the sad rise of nationalism. So it made perfect sense, especially as it was being broadcast live by the bbc. Very Clever man.

@briteness

4 күн бұрын

“It made perfect sense”? To me, perhaps the most interesting thing about it is that it resists linear, literal sense. It’s not just a political statement which every person can easily give a thumbs up or thumbs down to.

@TheLampini

3 күн бұрын

It added so much - most people thought the band had done it.. who knows if they knew 😉 Loved it ❤

@colinburroughs9871

2 күн бұрын

"and the sad rise of nationalism"- as opposed to endless bureaucracy, 1% and international organizations that effectively hate humanity. Nationalism in the face of that crap is the organizational mechanism that can get in the way of that obvious ponzi scheme, calling it's self "democracy" or whatever. If you all don't like it, stop being overtly obvious in your ideology- we know what you all want and it's .. sad.

I'd like to see more videos about how music and art are linked

@mrinalkundu1521

4 күн бұрын

Pop goes the easel.

I've delved deeply into the mystery of "Banksy" over the years. Contrary to popular belief, Banksy is no longer a single artist, if it ever was. The original graffiti artist who first used the name hailed from the West Midlands. His early work had a cartoonish style. However, the moniker was later adopted by a few other artists in London, one of whom became the primary figure behind the more iconic, silhouetted pieces, such as the "policeman taking a leak." Stylistically obviously different from what came before. A brand was born. Today, a group of conceptual artists has taken over the Banksy identity. It's not the work of a lone individual anymore; instead, it's a highly lucrative and commercial business operation (they even have a store on Tottenham Court Road). Some of the work is incredibly clever. The British media have an unwritten agreement not to expose the truth, maintaining the mystique around Banksy's identity.This understanding of the situation, I believe, is widely known. Better to keep the legend alive, as it serves everyone and generates a great deal of content for themselves.

@NeilJ894

5 күн бұрын

That's interesting. I always felt the anonymous nature of Banksy was the bigger artistic message in the work, designed to highlight our hyper individualistic society and lack of community - people became obsessed in knowing who the individual was rather than considering the art. I doubt it was ever one person, and that was the point. And there will always be an 'I am Spartacus' element to exposing the artist which is quite fitting, kind of making us all Banksy in a way, and therefore reminding us of community.

Will be interesting to see how much Banksy's 'dinghy' sells for.....

Nicked from Rammstein who have been crowd surfing in a dingy for 25 years

Banksy's art does indeed derive from a specific place...and that place is the creative mind of Blek le Rat.

It's all money in the bank, see?

10:00 "...wanting to come to our country from a place they are being persecuted..." France?

@lheureexquise140

4 күн бұрын

Sudan, Ukraine, Afghanistan, Syria are the main countries migrants come from.

@bugsby4663

4 күн бұрын

Maybe if the west and NATO stopped serving the US empire and bombing and sanctioning everybody for Blackrock, there would be far fewer migrants. If someone is in a stable country, they don't walk across continents and cross the most dangerous bodies of water in the world. The establishment want the migrants because they lower wages and divide the working class..Labour and Tories are the same party.

@roywilkinson2078

4 күн бұрын

@@lheureexquise140 Via France, which is a country people go to on holiday and retire to live in. Very dangerous.

@keithparker1346

4 күн бұрын

​@@lheureexquise140asylum seeking immigrants maybe but most immigrants came from India last year

@leefordham725

4 күн бұрын

Italy is very dangerous, all that good food and wine, pleasant climate. Far less free stuff though than The UK.

This reminds me of that recent "portal" between Dublin and NYC, which was essentially a 24-hour camera in each location. After a bit of "bad behavior," including obscene gestures and mild nudity, people suddenly declared the work "ruined." I'm still not sure how it was ruined in any way.

@shonkyindustries

4 күн бұрын

It was a bit like an X/Twitter that you actually had to leave your home to use. Made my heart swell with pride to see people being offensive to strangers without requiring anonymity. The only thing that could have improved it would have been some targeted ads to accompany the constant tit-flashing.

Did Banksy cut your hair?

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

4 күн бұрын

No…jane cut it

Banksy, or what/who ever it is, is a genius. Whether you love it or not (I love it) if it can provoke a reaction than says a lot. Art that works on all kinds of levels. Art like this is kinda like a barometer on how we’re doing as people. Unfortunately….we…ummm.

Migrant boat floating on a sea of privilege surrounded by an impenetrable barrier there to keep people out.

Wouldn't say it was light hearted tbh Can't think of people being forced to up sticks and take risks with their lives to help their families back home when I saw the images of the happening and feel cool and happy. You described it well. The boat floating on a sea of joy is a wonderful contradiction. I will be pretentious enough to say it's Mozartian, containing joy and sorrow in the same piece. FWIW Went to Loughborough College of Art and Design in the late 80s. Never got to grips with conceptual art. Don't think my brain is wired that way. Messiaen > Manzoni for me. Art needs to be visceral. We need the video of art and politics please

I enjoy your philosophical content. Today, 2nd July, is World UFO Day ( thier is also one on 24th July), to commemerate two famous alleged UFO sitings , both in 1947. I would love you to have a discusion about potential alien visitations from outer space. Given the eternal/infinite nature of the Universe, thay are bound to exist in infinite numbers, but travel distances could be prohiitive, what do you think.

Banksy: Election? ...vote "Boats" Mugs: genius!

A very nuanced take. You're not as stupid as you look mate. 😉

Idk who banksy is besides that he’s a British pop star, so I don’t really have an opinion, but your new hair cut looks nice.

Thank you, yes I did like. Well explained. Good art should challenge the status quo. I always think of Banksy's work as superficially ambitious and doubtful in value; but perhaps not with this concept. Had the artist's identity been with held, would the concept have been more or less effectively received

@keithparker1346

4 күн бұрын

It's designer protest stuff that appeals to peoples desire to revolt but not actually do anything. It's hardly doing what the Suffragettes did

Philosophy, yes.

Glastonbury isn't what it used to be.

@kylec2761

5 күн бұрын

Neither am i

@keithparker1346

4 күн бұрын

It's always been kind of shit

@brianjames5685

4 күн бұрын

Neither is England

@riffmondo9733

4 күн бұрын

Neither is the entire planet.

@mrinalkundu1521

4 күн бұрын

It never was. Stone ‘enge mate.

That’s a great prank/art. Pranking is an art, ah takes me back to the good old days. Great commentary Andy.

Have not seen yet but i saw a grey bearded man that resembled my Grandfather in a wheelchair being crowd surfed at Hellfest.

@Walesktf

4 күн бұрын

I think that might have been Paul Di'anno who sang on Iron Maiden's first 2 LPs

@Ixodiusixi

4 күн бұрын

@@Walesktf omg that is awesome

Ohh started as a painter....you see all of the things! Brilliant. scouring the known universe inside and out.

Interesting analysis, but can you shut your window please? Or is that also conceptual art that I'm not getting?

Sometimes Banksy can be too on the nose but this was a brilliant way to make a point. Of course the right are going to misinterpret it, especially at the moment. Went to the exhibition back in 2009 in Bristol where he mixed his stuff in with the museums normal exhhibits. His masterstroke to me though was when he shredded the painting. The looks on their faces, the sheer audacity. You can pontificate about whether it was a comment about the disposable nature of art, but it was bloody funny. My first Glastonbury 1986, £17, sold my ticket for £20 and got in through some side fields, and following year gave a girl on the gate a fiver. It used to be thar easy, especially in those mid 80's years after Stonehenge was banned. They've probably got machine gun turrets nowadays😂

@Walesktf

4 күн бұрын

Both Glastonbury and Stonehenge in the late 70s and early 80s were awesome festivals and great days. It breaks my heart to see the way Glastonbury is now with all the Snowflake F@scists in attendance.

Ahh yes, Banksy, the street artist, doing his thing for the masses. Until someone removes the wall he sprayed on, and sells it to someone else for thousands of pounds. Is he your man of the people, or maybe a Damien Hirst wannabe with a mask on? BTW did anyone in the crowd manage to run off with the boat at the end of the show - nice little earner?

@shaunw9270

4 күн бұрын

Banksy could be another artist under a different name or even a collective imo. It must be quite an undertaking to have protected "his" identity for so many years. He's had major exhibitions of his work at art galleries where thousands have visited with 3 hour queues to get in .. I'm sure there's a larger organisation to Banksy than just a regular street artist.

In the late sixties early seventies there was an underground and noncommercialised music scene with a large following. Today that no longer exists. In all walks of life now making money is the main factor. Glastonbury today is part of that commercialised It's a money making machine.

@mrinalkundu1521

4 күн бұрын

Sha na na. The Funking Baxters.

from the Comments it was a raft for whatever personal policy a viewer wishes to float.

Conceptual art is of and for the middle class. They are Banksy's audience. Nothing he has produced causes them to question their values, ideals and ideas. Everything he'they produces supports middle class values, ideals and ideas. He/They gave them something to wave around to signal their love of illegal immigration. It really is as simple as that. If Banksy actually wanted to cause his audience to question their values/ideals and ideas, he could have produced a half million photo copies of a newspaper article published on the 27th of January 2020 headlined, "Police Scotland took down large-scale asylum seeker grooming gang in Glasgow - but kept it secret" and used drones to airdrop them across the entire festival site. Anyone interested can stick that headline into a search engine and read the piece theirself.

@pjrove

4 күн бұрын

I've had a read of the article in The Scottish, Sun 27 Jan 2020, that you suggest the Glastonbury crowd should have had rained on them. To me it reads like xenophobic propaganda based on shallow reporting. Bearing in mind that this is a newspaper report and not a pop song or artwork, what values/ideals and ideas do you think it brings into question?

@trevorhoward2254

4 күн бұрын

@@pjrove The newspiece reports the truth and can be found reported elsewhere, should you want to read about it in a different way. I am unsure quite why you should consider the truth xenophobic. Conceptual art, as has been said here, should challenge presuppositions. Presenting a consequence of admitting unvetted, univited people into the country to those who believe it to be a good thing would do just that.

@BrothernoDoubt

4 күн бұрын

Banksy rules the Waves

@paulbattenbough1002

4 күн бұрын

that's rubbish and really proves you know nothing about art. Conceptual art like any other has no class. it's practised by all sorts and is often political and challenging, meant to make you think. Trouble is those not educated about art are totally ignorant of it's meaning. I blame capitalism for marginalising art and making people like you make wild false ignorant statements about something you have no knowledge of. A bit like the way you look down your nose at migrants, which is another product of ignorance. By the way Bansky is not a conceptual artist. He's an anarchist artist, street artist, guerilla artist. Graffiti artist and printmaker. it's all about the image. Conceptual art is about the IDEA. It can have no imagery or material aspect. The guy making the video doesn't even understand

@pjrove

4 күн бұрын

​@@trevorhoward2254 I consider it xenophobic because it infers, though I admit it very carefully does not state it categorically, that there is a direct correlation between someone seeking right of asylum according to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and criminal grooming gangs. There is also the suggestion that the police did not publicise the ongoing investigation for political reasons rather than their stated reasons. The truth presented in the report tells us almost nothing about immigration or organised crime, but much about the ideology behind the article.

Yes, especially about the role and position of the artist... ☝️😎

Entertain us

Thanks for addressing this, AE. To me, a critical element of art is that, to be art, it must be done to no purpose. Art to no purpose can employ any level of skill or craft, but the moment a purpose is attached to it-by the artist-the intended art becomes mere craft. There are probably degrees to this: art done to mostly no purpose or craft done to somewhat apart from purpose. That Banksy's piece IS art, was rightly detected by you, due to the fact that you could discern no clear purpose to it, apart from it's existence as art.

@edwardyazinski3858

4 күн бұрын

What of the great portraits by the great artists of days past ? Paid for by their wealthy benefactors… was that not art because it served a purpose? Or classical compositions ? Any less impressive because they were paid for and not just done out of the simple joy of creation? Your statement is a bit to pie in the sky.

@questionbeggar1869

20 сағат бұрын

@@edwardyazinski3858 Those portraits, done entirely, perhaps, to earn a living from wealthy benefactors were not great art, no. Great craft? Undoubtedly. After all, realistic painting was all rendered to shit once photography came in to outdo the most skilled of the realists. Eddy, I know this sounds "pie in the sky" but so is art. Beautiful, inspiring things can be found in crafts, but to be art, it must be done to no purpose. Art doesn't operate on the survival side. Only on the expression side. Yes, I know: there are institutions and dealerships and literature and museums who disagree with me. They're dumdums.

@edwardyazinski3858

12 сағат бұрын

@@questionbeggar1869 hmmm bit of hubris can it not be both? You did not address myriad great classical works scored for patrons. Ha patrion. Who knew!? To refrain from calling it art because it was composed for benefactors is off the mark.

Banksy produces cocktail party controversies for the Chardonnay classes. Bourgeois crap. His privilege allows him access to whatever platform he chooses. Who asked him for his opinion?

Enjoyed your video giving me some perspective to think about here in the states I would classify myself more as a constitutionalist rather than right or left I do lean heavily on personal libertarianism I believe in personal Liberty but pudding all that aside I'm not sure if I agree with your final statement saying that you don't believe that art are to get involved with politics my mother was an immigrant my father met her during World War II and she was his Irish Rose she came over to America jump through all the Hoops necessary and became an American citizen my father's mother was a second-generation irish-american from the Potato Famine my dad's grandmother was from Dublin Ireland and she emigrated to America jump through the hoops and became an American citizen one thing like what you just expressed was drilled into our minds as children was we never discuss politics or religion the fact is is there anything else important to our society other than politics and religion one feeds the physical the other feeds our spiritual and I believe art is there to emulate Society hidden braces how are conscious and unconscious hopes and dreams an art has a very special ability to impact Humanity for good that nothing else touches where there it would be in the musical arts literary Arts for the graphic arts and why should the Arts be held to the mundane and the boring aspects such as the weather Sports in America we're suffering suffering from polarity also the left wants to let everybody in and give them all the right to vote without citizenship the right seems to want to stop everybody from coming in can start deporting I am more at the idea that immigration is the lifeblood of America we need that constant shocked in the arm to make us better and stronger but we have to know who you are like we did in the 1800s at Ellis Island are you carrying diseases are you going to be able to contribute and be able to feed yourself can we control fentanyl in heroin human trafficking rapes and murders can we stop extremely vicious gangs from just coming in and setting up house there's always has to be some kind of a control in immigration and also to allow an enough time for people to assimilate America is like a big beef stew the Chinese brings in noodles the Mexicans bring in jalapenos and corn the Italians bring in pasta add tomato paste the Irish bring in potatoes and so forth but it's always beef stew the immigrants just make that stew richer and more flavorful so the trick is how do we take in immigrants and don't lose our culture which we are very proud of and willing to die for that's the trick and the thing that we can separate ourselves from either politics or religion is a Fool's errand because everything balances on that Pinhead keep up the good work always give me plenty to think about and may God keep and bless😊

I wonder how many people know who Banksy is? I bet they all had to sign NDA's. Interesting vid.

@themaelstromnotebook5418

Күн бұрын

My other comment - I think - was taken down. I can't find it anyhow. I made the point that Banksy is a media creation - a 'change agent' - funding a real graffiti artist, to steer agendas that the public can - hopefully - buy into... particularly the middle classes. If there was a 'real Banksy' (who heralded from Bristol, or is a member of Massive Attack or Portishead) I would wonder whether 'his brand' was taken over a long time ago. Banksy pushes Palestine (both sides are part of the same hydra), climate change (more nonsense) and now immigration. Except that this stunt kind of backfired in my eyes... since it just made the Glasto crowd look like brainwashed idiots. Which they - in the main - probably are. (I live in Glastonbury, and personally dread their 'little' festival). Andy is still too liberal to imagine that the Banksy brand could be this manipulative, I'd imagine. I've been alive 47 years and still have yet to find another graffiti artist as famous as Banksy. I wonder why? The reason is - and, as others have pointed out - propaganda. Banksy is not 'edgy', or even 'an artist'... he is just the product of a bloated, cynical group of moneyed 'culture-shapers'

Superb analysis sir. Nicely balanced too. I've never found you to be particularly rightie. Maybe I've not watched enough of your stuff! I'm more to the left but totally agree with you about Glastonbury being for the moneyed middle class. They don't even care who's on. Shania Twain ffs! Having said that I do know people who don't fall into that category who actually have to save up to go!

There's no way nobody knows who he is. It's hard enough to sneak a bottle of beer into a festival, but we are supposed to believe nobody spotted someone bringing a dinghy and some dummies in there and then stood there assembling it all. You can't even fart these days without someone capturing it on their smartphone.

BANKSY releases a Dingy full on migrants at Glastonbury, the Festival with the biggest fences to keep out all the undesirables, those who cannot afford tickets. They say WELCOME but NOT IN MY BACKYARD .....

Banksy is Damon Albarn.

@brianjames5685

4 күн бұрын

It's the dude from Massive Attack isn't it? I thought Goldie accidently outed him years ago.

@CBCDs

4 күн бұрын

@@brianjames5685it’s like the Dread Pirate Roberts - it gets passed around every few years.

Cheers Andy - I fear you might have wound up the "it's not art, a child could have done it" brigade. But hey-ho. I've not long subscribed but enjoy your output.

The dinghy stunt was better than the Idles.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

4 күн бұрын

Not a high yard stick

Banksy is the same age as you? Are you Banksy Andy? lol

Banksy is very creative. His greatness and importance is underappreciated.

@BillyBanter100

4 күн бұрын

The irony isn't wasted on us.

Mocking our national security like that just shows they dont care about England or the people in the boats, ifs just a game to these people.

@SlavaBanderastan

4 күн бұрын

😂 national security 😂

@FormulaProg

4 күн бұрын

​@@SlavaBanderastando you not understand borders? Why do they exist? Not everyone is equal/has the same morals.

It seems that almost anything can be considered art these days. I'm sure if I climbed onto a plinth in a big city and stood motionless in a pile of horse manure for twelve hours a day for the next six months, somebody would consider it art and spend time interpreting what it meant. It might be necessary to explain to people that it was art, rather than a protest or a prank, although not explaining it would probably lead to lengthy discussions about its nature, which would be interesting. Personally, I consider the Banksy dinghy meaningless. It's just some bloke, or group of people, seeking attention by attempting to be outrageous. Any art you see in it is created by your interpretation of it. Yes, it required some organisational skill to do it, but making a car requires a vast amount more. Why is a Honda Civic not a work of art? Or is it?

The biggest scandal is that the line-up at Glastonbury was shite:)

@keithparker1346

4 күн бұрын

Shania Twain as a legend 😂

@paulcollins5586

4 күн бұрын

@@keithparker1346 Was

@keithparker1346

3 күн бұрын

@@paulcollins5586 only for a few white knight types

He pinched the idea from Rammstein anyway.. They do it for a laugh with the band surfing around on the crowd, but Banksy was making a political statement 🤔 .. keep up the great work Andy

Banksy , maybe the most overrated "artists" of our times. My personal belief is that Banksy is someone who is well known by another name and there's probably an army of staff being paid to upkeep the illusion of this renegade street artist.

@themaelstromnotebook5418

4 күн бұрын

He was just invented to push certain agendas that the powers-that-be have. Pro-climate change, pro-Palestine (when both sides are controlled by the same dark forces) and now pro-immigrant? (I think the stunt backfired against the many that control his works intentions because he unintentionally made the band and the crowd look ridiculous). He's just an invented cipher for pushing certain media narratives... no 'street artist', intelligent or otherwise, could get any national press in Britain.

@keithparker1346

4 күн бұрын

I saw a documentary. Banksy is likely to be one of Portishead or Massive Attack

@shaunw9270

4 күн бұрын

@@keithparker1346 What was the documentary called?

@keithparker1346

3 күн бұрын

@@shaunw9270 I think it was called Exit Through The Gift Shop iirc

That's good art if it can't be reduced to serious / trivialising / bad taste / parank, if it provokes discomfort about what the artist is up to and what your reaction is. It's dangerous because maybe the artist is not doing something you agree with, and maybe your reaction is not what you'd like it to be.

Great artists are great artisans, too.

viva! bansky!!

I think you conflate the left with liberals, your criticisms have been passing so maybe you have more nuanced positions I haven't heard you expand on? In my conception and experience - the left want broad societal change, understand not everyone is perfect (ie doesn't agree on everything) and tries to work with anyone who shares their goals. Liberals perform leftism to appeal to the left/feel good about themselves, but when it comes down to it will opt to keep things as they are. And liberals often call themselves socialists just to add to the confusion

if the glastonbury "migrant dinghy performance" is art, then art and propaganda have now merged into one: goebbels would be proud.

@TheLampini

3 күн бұрын

They always have been, cave paintings onwards..

A few years ago I saw Idles perform "Danny Nedelko" with the introduction "This song is about the best thing to ever happen to this country, immigration". I was moved to tears.

@trevorhoward2254

5 күн бұрын

Why is it the best thing to ever happen to this country?

@pjrove

4 күн бұрын

@@trevorhoward2254 Idles are artists not political scientists, sociologist etc. I don't know if it is "the best thing to ever happen..." I responded in the moment to a good bit of rhetoric. I responded on an irrational intuitive level. To actually answer the question you would maybe have to draw up a long list of pros and cons, which in itself would be open to debate depending on what you judge to be valuable/harmful and how much you are influenced by this or that morality. I think immigration is such a complex subject that I am not able to have a simple for or against stance. But it does make for good rhetoric, in both directions. I also have to admit that I have experienced similar reactions to artistic expressions of opinions and/or actions that I definitely do not agree with on an intellectual level. That is the power of art I suppose, it can make you feel, think and consider things that you hadn't felt, thunk or considered before. Maybe Andy could employ the super-i-omiter to eliminate subjective bias.

@trevorhoward2254

4 күн бұрын

@@pjrove Thankyou for your thoughtful and considered answer. It's what I would hope for on Andy's channel.

@keithparker1346

4 күн бұрын

Sounds like Idles don't know wtf they are talking about

@brianjames5685

4 күн бұрын

Were they being sarcastic?

well Zeppelin did call the crowd "The Ocean", and Banksy does like a play on words....maybe "turd in a punchbowl"???

@rillloudmother

5 күн бұрын

wow, that's the phrase that comes into your head?

@obyvatel

4 күн бұрын

@@rillloudmother maybe for Banksy it was more _punch in a turdbowl_

Uuurgghhh I'm starting to think that old saying about how you become more conservative as you age is true. I've spent much of my life slightly to the left of Trotsky 🤣 but I frequently challenge myself by watching Jordan Peterson and other right wing talking heads. Although these people are usually quite racist, I'm afraid there is a point which is correct and is not going to go away. We have a housing crisis and a cost of living crisis, plus rampant inflation. The vast number of refugees which seems beyond government control is adding to the problem. For me, this is purely a numbers game. I really am not racist, I speak several languages and have music from all types of performers of all creeds and colours. But essentially its about money, money we don't have as a country right now. Even if we did have the money, it takes time to build houses and the 💩 is really about to hit the fan viz the housing problem. Evictions are at record levels, as are rents. No matter who wins the election, this country is in a very bad place. I have a feeling that the posh yoghurt knitters in Hunter wellies have no idea what its like to be on the wrong side of all this. Meanwhile the working class Tories really do know and they are horribly racist to boot. And very angry. I entirely sympathise, as they usually are hard working people who end up with very little to show for it. Many people don't understand that we are still suffering the effects of Thatcherism. But that is the TRUTH.

@medwayhospitalprotest

5 күн бұрын

p.s. you should keep your hair short, I find you far less attractive that way. You're a bit of a silver fox when its long. 🤣 Sorry Mrs Edwards.

@Walesktf

4 күн бұрын

I was a hunt sabbing, squatting anarchist in the 80s. Too many right-on vegan fascists in those days in the various scenes I was involved with, made me look at my beliefs, and these days I am to the right of Farage lol. I still believe in animal rights though.

@medwayhospitalprotest

3 күн бұрын

@@Walesktf I can't get behind WOKE. I hate it. 🤮 It seems you can't be left wing anymore without signing up for that. x

@Walesktf

3 күн бұрын

@@medwayhospitalprotest that is very, very true. it's another reason why i turned my back on the left

Great video Andy but I have to pick you up on 'Science deals in answers' - absolutely not! Science deals in questions. Science is one great big question-generating machine. Scientific ideas are provisional, not 'true'. Scientific ideas stay or are discarded based on their usefulness. Science deals in beauty and perception and form. (Speaking as musician and (ex)physicist).

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

4 күн бұрын

' Science deals in beauty and perception and form' This is absolutely not the case. Science deals with truth. Onlyn are can deal with beauty

@kocinski8734

4 күн бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Only art can deal with beauty?! Ask any mathematician how they view Euler's identity or any scientist Maxwell's equations or Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection or Einstein's theories of relativity (etc etc). For an artist, your view of where beauty can be 'dealt with' is disappointingly narrow. I personally find Euler's identity to be the most beautiful construct I've ever experienced. (I say this as someone who loves Shakespeare, Bach and Klimt as much as the next person).

@kocinski8734

4 күн бұрын

Thank you for responding btw.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

4 күн бұрын

Yours, or Euler's aesthetic opinion is irrelevant from a scientific point of view. Experiencing beauty is not either. It is rendering your feelings in something that exists out in the world.

@kocinski8734

4 күн бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer thanks for answering again. It's nice when KZreadrs mix it with the common herd . And although I don't quite follow your reply, I'm more worried that you should be getting sleep rather than answering NZers!

Banksy heres a thought...he started i think in the 80s? NOW how old do you think he is now? to be going up on houses and walls and stuff...conclusion he never did exist in the first place its and art world scam oh wait you can buy his end of buildings art work? where are you taking it ?

The best art means nothing.

Art is supposed to offend and be controversial. If people weren't so offended all the time and so pro censorship.

Respect to Banksy. I wonder if Massive Attack are in England at the moment? 😄

@brianjames5685

4 күн бұрын

one of their boats certainly was

Interesting vid. It's a shame you try to stand in some kind of imaginary place between left and right and take on both sides. Left is best.

@keithparker1346

4 күн бұрын

The left is hopelessly muddled in it's thinking over immigration

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

4 күн бұрын

I wish it was but it often isn’t historically

@lheureexquise140

4 күн бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer In UK terms, the left has given us trades unions, weekends, women's right, ant-colonial movements, council housing, the NHS, welfare state etc. The right wing 'ruler's revolt' of Margaret Thatcher has given us absolutely nothing. Hating identity politics isn't a very coherent argument either.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

4 күн бұрын

I agree with the things Labour have achieved, And Clement Atlee hated Marxism. And identity politics is rooted in Marxism. It is completely different to class based redistribution which I am in favour of. The idea that if I talk about certain subjects here my platform may be taken away is abhorrent to me. In terms of Thatcher; she won the Falklands war, Under her I went to University, and my fees were paid by her government. Her deregulation of the financial markets kept this country relatively wealthy unitl the crash of 2008. She reduced unemployment and in that helped the poor in the UK. It was better to be poor under her than it is now. I own a house because of the rules she put in to help self employed get a mortgage and her foriegn policy helped the collapse of the Soviet Union.

@keithparker1346

4 күн бұрын

​@@AndyEdwardsDrummerThatcherism also INCREASED unemployment

It’s not art, it’s bollocks…

@edwardyazinski3858

4 күн бұрын

What is art?

So maybe it is Art for the western consumer? Let´s be a little critical so we can consume in peace? We all know it is wrong, so let´s make a statement? Is it Art? I think it is, but shouldn't we ask what kind of Art is worth to discuss? To me it is not great Art, it is "easy" Art, because it shakes the system in a very primitive way and I think Art should ask more from your intellect, it should go deeper.

Now tell me again about the English aesthetic. Good luck.

too many ads - I couldn't watch with so many interruptions....

@cliverichards6282

4 күн бұрын

Use Opera. It has an ad blocker integrated into it.

Banksy, by the letter of the law, is a criminal. But ge is also a great metaphor for today's society. He paints his subjective 'art' on properties, without permission and suddenly these things become worth millions, protected by anybody that has an interest in the value put upon it, whether individuals, or, so much worse, by authorities that would ordinarily fine or arrest anybody else doing so because they will not be considered artists but vandals. Banksy is a vandal and this is indisputable, whether you like his subjective art and persona or are completely against it. There is a rather wicked irony too though. It has ling been established that if you are considered an elite in British society, whether British by status or foreign with the right amount of power, connections and money, you are pretty much above the law and it's full weight is only ever bought down when such elites commit crimes against fellow elites. But here we have a veritable 'commoner' as generally defined within the disgusting and very dated class system, being afforded such elite status, because it suits the elites to grant such status. So much of the British public is so fickle and equally morally corrupt as the elites that they hold this man up as some kind of working class hero, oblivious to the fact that he is an elite that looks down upon them whilst riding an incredible wave of grift. How dumbed down British society has become and sadly, Andy is giving off a very elite mannerism with his finger wagging, telling us that we don't understand the very important value that art plays. But people do understand in the one way that matters, what they like. If they like something it becomes art, full stop. There are no predefined levels when it comes to what an individual defines as artistically worthy or not. This is and will always be the case regardless of the institutional elitism that gives certain arts a monetary and social value. And regardless of whether an individual is being conned by marketing and hype, no matter what their level of intelligence is, they still get to decide what art is. Ergo there are more than 8 billion judges on this planet and every single one is right when it comes to their own opinion, no matter the path followed to establish a like, dislike or anything in between. But I do see a potential marketing opportunity for Andy. Andy Edwards signed knee pads, perfect for his common subjects to kneel at his feet on command without eve having to scrape the knee when bended in subservient adulation. But as ever, a jolly good discussion to have a chin wag about and put the world to rights. No drummers were harmed in the making of this post.

@riffmondo9733

4 күн бұрын

I hate “rule of law” drivel.

Never been that impressed by Banksy and this is just a political stunt

"Artist."

By commenting on the art we are acknowledging it's existence, by calling it a stupid stunt by a privilege woke clown we acknowledged his art all art has value but not much value in some cases.

Women and children on a refugee boat? It's definitely not realistic lol

@edwardyazinski3858

4 күн бұрын

Being sarcastic or that out of touch.

@keithparker1346

4 күн бұрын

​@@edwardyazinski3858or kind of telling the truth

woke cringe

@thecookreporting

4 күн бұрын

''Glasto'' is just middle class lefties having a woke virtue fest

Banksy is not an artist. He is a marketing expert who presents his cheap products as unique art, and people and markets follow. He(?) understands how modern societies work, their fascinazion of a phantom, a secret, a myth. All this deviates from the banal symbolism he uses to exhibit shallow stuff.

Topic stirs up the scorn. Seething blood boiling with hatreds and forsaking of all the platitudes they give to the sermons on the mount. Right to the true heart of mankind huh. See what ya did Banksy!