BALL JOINT ELIMINATORS the Ultimate Ball Joint Delete
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This time on Tech Tuesday Jake Burkey and Trey Rogers go over what Ball Joint Eliminators are, why you need them, and how to used them for the ultimate ball joint delete on your Super Duty Dana 60 Axles. These things are tougher than old school king pins and allow you to fit big bell RCVs or 1550 U-joints in your axles. Here at Busted Knuckle Off Road we use them on almost all of our rock bouncer builds. They take a ton of abuse in our custom 14 bolt axles that utilize super 60 knuckles. If they are tough enough for rock bouncing they should work great in your rock buggy, jeep, or crawler.
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Tray is definitely a good guy to talk to when ordering parts… Definitely a no BS kind of guy that wants to help…. Keep up the great videos 👍
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
Trey is good people for sure.
Thanks guys,great info and explanation.
@BustedKnuckleVideo
2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully it helps with all the install questions that we get.
9:55 I really like that, it's a slick idea. What I like especially is that it's kind of a failsafe; the small bolt is likely to snap before the big bolt gets rounded out. And if you're lucky and get the nuts lined up, then you're able to get a socket and big breaker bar on it. Very clever idea
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
Жыл бұрын
they are tough
I love these eliminators! They've been great.
@BustedKnuckleVideo
2 жыл бұрын
We have used and abused them in our rock bouncers with zero failures
Awesome Builds and info 👍 Awesome upgrade 😎 Thanks, got me subscribed 🏁 lmm in Colorado 🤠
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
Found out on mine (99-04) that I had to use a brake cylinder hone to get my brass collar and bolt to not bind up once installed. I think this was because of a casting line that was inside the ball joint bore that we didn't smooth out before install. Also my friend Chris put grease grooves inside the brass collars to help distribute grease throughout the entire surface of the bolt. Been running it that way for almost 2 years now without failure or having the bolt back out. Great product considering I was having to replace my ball joints annually beforehand. 👍
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it
i recommended these to a friend that is building tons for his jku right now he is getting them unfortunately i would have bought them as well but i didnt see you have them for a 44 when i step up to tons i will be getting a set thank you those are freaking awesome
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support!
Really wish I could find something like this for a Dana 44. my ball joints don’t like 40s on the Cherokee. Keep up the good work y’all
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
they make them.
Another tip for welding cast steel, is hitting it to relieve stress. A brass punch or hammer will work fine if you wanna keep it pretty, but steel works better. Don't get overzealous and use an air hammer, you'll make the steel harmonic and risk cracking it right then and there Also, get the steel RED hot. Most people only get it to 300-400 and call it good. Also doesn't hurt to heat it up again after you've welded it and it's cooled down some, as it will develop stress during that time as well
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
Жыл бұрын
interesting
That's awesome! I had Dana 80 axles built by dynatrac for a trail truck and I never liked that the front axle has balljoints I'm pretty sure they're sd stuff but I'll have to call dynatrac to find out for sure I would like to run this kit I have 44 inch tsl's and balljoints scare me
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
It’s a good idea to go to these if at all possible.
To get the brass to free float on my 99-04 rock jock, I had to grind the top of the brass down to the very top edge of the zero fitting threads, they work great, but I find myself using spray lube to stop the annoying squeaking because the grease through the zero doesn’t go into the brass it just comes right out the top :/
Will the ball joint eliminaters work on superduty dana 50 ?
I'm running Ford 450 knuckles on my 99 Dodge Dana 60 can I run those on my axle?
You can adjust castor and camber on a Dana 60 king pin. It's called cut and turn also shims for camber? Plus doing what your doing is basically making it making pin?
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
it is similar to a king pin only stronger
When running standard ujoint style shafts, when the joint breaks, will the shafts still be able to separate the knuckle from the inner c? I am looking to avoid having my knuckle and tire break off if I destroy a ujoint. I’m running a 99-04 super duty axle. Thanks!
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
This should help prevent that as well.
On a gm 60 isnt there a shim behind the spindle that is, you know, fatter on one side which adjusts camber IIRC Or maybe its my ford one.?
Very informative video and it will be very useful in the future when i install them in my axles. What has your experience been with the lower ball joint eliminator?
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
We run moog ball joints in the lower. No need to eliminate it as it doesn’t see as much stress as the upper.
@zachmosteller4681
2 жыл бұрын
@@BustedKnuckleOffRoad ok good to know. I thought about running the dynatrac lower ball joint. Not sure if you have seen them or not
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
@@zachmosteller4681 I have dynatrac lowers on the Jeep JK.
@zachmosteller4681
2 жыл бұрын
@@BustedKnuckleOffRoad sweet. And I've already contacted dynatrac and they will sell just the lowers so we will see how they like bouncer abuse in a couple years when I get it built, although that will be a strange invoice for just 4 lower ball joints 🤣🤣
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
Жыл бұрын
maybe not too strange nowadays
can I run 1550 axles on a 90s ford D60 ball joint diff with these ball joint eliminators or are the C's still to small?
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
The Cs and Knuckles are too small. That will only work on super 60 outers with eliminators.
Would they fit a77 Ford F-150 4x4 for the hi way or are they for off-road use only
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
they are for off road use
Man I musta galled the threads something fierce putting mine in cuz it’s stuck stuck. Machinist question, why not put a taper on that shoulder to keep it from galling?
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
Жыл бұрын
a little heat usually frees it right up
I have a 2011 F250 with a 4.5 inch lift, which eliminator kit do I need?
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
Жыл бұрын
We don’t recommend this setup for on road use.
What stainless rod is recommended for arc welding on this job?
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
I'd recommend Mig or Tig if possible
I’m building a overland suburban. I know it says specially for off road use only but my 90 suburban doesn’t have camber adjustment and I’d say this is definitely safer than running a 35 or 37 on a stock ball joint. Can someone with knowledge give me some feed back? Yes I’ve got one tons but that’s later down the road. No I’m not worried about putting money into a 10 bolt. When I’ve finished building my front axle I’ll install it. I’ve got a K5 I’m going to put my built 10 bolt. It’ll never see real off road it’s to nice.
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
Жыл бұрын
It can be done and will do just fine. They just aren't meant for on road use (legal team jargon)
Is the galling attributable to thread distortion from welding?
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
That is part of the problem
someone give Trey a cheeseburger
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
Trey is always eating, it just never sticks
Any tips on strictly avoiding thread distortion when welding?
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
Don’t weld it all at once, tig weld it possible, and use anti seize
@Nanan00
2 жыл бұрын
Pre-heat the knuckle to 400F before welding and let it cool slowly by wrapping in a welding blanket and letting it sit for a few hours to slowly cool off.
You make them for the older 8 lug dana 44s?
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
not that I know of.
Isn't that bronze a soft metal and over a period of time it will ware out and get play in the knuckle?
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
Ай бұрын
The new version accounts for that it’s called a King Joint
You could also just us a 7/16 Coupling Nut, that way you can use a socket and ratchet with less defection compared to abolt nut combo.
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
You could if you have that handy
Do these come for Jeep Wrangler JKU?
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
they make them for that application but might not be the best if you want to daily drive it as well.
5:49 It's not a casting, it's a forging. Hence your ability to weld to it so easily.
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
just heat them up a little and lay some beads down
DIY Wrench: Get a Grade 8 7/16” Bolt and weld it to a 4’ bar to reach 500 Ft-Lbs.
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
Жыл бұрын
good idea
Do these work on UD60’s?
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
Жыл бұрын
UD60s?
@bajamedic
Жыл бұрын
@@BustedKnuckleOffRoad ultimate Dana 60’s
Today I learned that anti seize prevents cross threading 😁
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
Жыл бұрын
It can help.
@BlackAndBlueGarage
Жыл бұрын
I'm just jerking your chain. Some people think impact is the right tool for every job 😂
@BlackAndBlueGarage
Жыл бұрын
Factoring this into my ford D44 build 👍
What about the lower ball joint... the one that usually breaks lol
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
We run moog ball joints in the lowers and have had zero issues when paired with the upper eliminator.
No eliminators for 97 Tahoe ;(
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
10 ай бұрын
these are for offroad use
If you peen the weld right after doing it it will help eliminate cracking .
Work on street truck
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't due to lack of adjustability
$300+ for 2 shoulder bolts 2 bungs and 2 brass bushings is steep
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
Жыл бұрын
We don't make them. We buy them from someone who does and put them in our builds.
Great information. Video quality very poor.
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
2 жыл бұрын
they shot it while the camera man was away so we did the best we could with it. The next ones will be better.
Nope. Not the product for me. Two design flaws. 1. Having to weld anything on the axle. 2. Still utilizes regular old ball joints on the bottom. It's 2022. These half-measures aren't impressive at all.
@BustedKnuckleVideo
2 жыл бұрын
The upper ball joint is the weak link on these axles not the lower. We have used and abused this setup on 700hp rock bouncers with zero failures. For the price it doesn’t get much better than these but suit yourself. 👍
@FlawedOffroad
2 жыл бұрын
"Having to weld anything to the axle" so in other words you have a stock rig? lol
@CR500R
2 жыл бұрын
@@BustedKnuckleVideo Yea, no doubt it's good. I'm just saying it could be designed better. You shouldn't have to weld inserts... and have weak ball joints still on the lowers. Seems like a half-measure, not a "solution."
@CR500R
2 жыл бұрын
@@FlawedOffroad Yea. I'm not as into it as you are. I'm just pointing out design issues. These could have been designed better. Plus the insult of STILL having to use ball joints in the lowers...haha. Wow.
@FlawedOffroad
2 жыл бұрын
@@CR500R pretty sure every company that makes these is the same way, it’s just for the upper
Not true! The 88 to 91 Gm Dana 60 had an adjustable lower. Look it up!
@BustedKnuckleOffRoad
6 ай бұрын
These are for Ford Super Duty Knuckles