Can we normalize wanting good singers in kpop again? Too many people say it not important

@Punpun_sugar

2 ай бұрын

Kpop attracts alot of young people. Many people look at idols as influencers than actual musicians

@Xile179

2 ай бұрын

@@Punpun_sugar yup thats where the problem is :/

@Human-eg7yf

2 ай бұрын

Even if it's about visual or talent . Talent should he above visual .

@Human-eg7yf

2 ай бұрын

But visual plays an important role in attracting people nowadays for ex- bts , txt, ive (they are talented too)

@Xile179

2 ай бұрын

@@Human-eg7yf there have been so many main vocalists who could also be the visual of their own groups. But companies are too focused on visuals and dance.

The different generation skill gap is evident.

@dhisyastays

2 ай бұрын

Newer gens focus too much on dance, variety shows, & MODELLING 🙄 Yes, idol groups are supposed to be multitalented, but having zero decent singer with healthy technique is too much ...

@wonyoricky

2 ай бұрын

@@dhisyastaysi feel like with the beginning of 5th gen there have been more vocally strong groups (eg zb1 babymonster evnne riize kiss of life) so hopefully that’s changing lol

@dhisyastays

2 ай бұрын

@@wonyoricky yeaah those groups are promising & I'm specifically anticipating KIOF's future musics 😊 they're more mature agewise and seem to have more individuality, so I hope they can focus on their musical skills than the side quests.

@Memsy7

2 ай бұрын

@@wonyorickyhope fully it changes! I love good vocals in music.

@Hellokitty_391

2 ай бұрын

​@@wonyorickyi agree tbh, kiof is really promising

The first one sounds so painful. I feel bad for him.

@iqbalfanani2377

2 ай бұрын

Nah its a style, because the feel of the song

@Axphire

2 ай бұрын

@@iqbalfanani2377yeah, a style of bad belting and harmful. using bad techniques for singing and holding a note is damaging. it should fit the song AND be equally not harmful to his vocal chords. his belting wasn’t beneficial to his live singing.

@vjjjjrsfrvr

2 ай бұрын

taehyun🥲

@paulomorong4423

2 ай бұрын

@@iqbalfanani2377 you can sing with whatever style you want but still have proper technique. Hybe just don't invest in vocal lessons

@chicoseu

2 ай бұрын

@@iqbalfanani2377 I know it's his style to fit the genre of the song. I'm not saying he doesn't have good vocal, but his technique is so bad here. It can damaging his vocal chord.

2nd gen idols are really something

@trijakamei6819

2 ай бұрын

Even third kept up.

@Hellokitty_391

2 ай бұрын

@@trijakamei6819 yes, exo, btob, svt, red velvet, mamamoo, gfriend

@massivebanana8238

Ай бұрын

@@Hellokitty_391BTS?

@Jack-ep7yj

Ай бұрын

If u want great fourth gen, there is nmixx

@user-cc2lp3tm8e

28 күн бұрын

​@@Jack-ep7yjtrue 😊

And both Sandeul and Eunji coming from Busan. Mommies from Busan eating CDs to produce these great vocalists.

@amy_ambrosio

2 ай бұрын

WINNER SeungYoon/Yoon is also from Busan and such an amazing main vocalist (Eunji's friend too) 😊

@taurusss9636

2 ай бұрын

woozi also from busan. busan just like home of great a swimmer, diver. so that's why💁,, its good for the breath technic for a singer

@dy-fathiyana3385

24 күн бұрын

And baekhyun too

@katarzynaszafran6220

15 күн бұрын

And also Day6 Sungjin ❤

@Pol_aaron16

8 күн бұрын

Evnne Seungeon is also from Busan

You finally mentioned Sandeul 🤧 I definitely think he's such an amazing vocalist. I think you'll genuinely enjoy a lot of B1A4's vocal performances, especially the ones before two members left the group (one of which was the lead vocal). I highly suggest you watch their cover of Eternity in Sugarman Season 2 that they performed in 2018. 💖

@sunmiswashingmachine2753

2 ай бұрын

sandeul is among the best kpop vocalists to date

@DNLAR-

2 ай бұрын

@@sunmiswashingmachine2753 Agreed!

@kai_OMG

2 ай бұрын

He's one of the best in the record ngl. Several times becoming the King of Mask Singer

@XaiElf00

2 ай бұрын

Omg gurl sooo true.... he's so freaking slept on🤧🤧

@triplej8666

2 ай бұрын

hes the 2nd best male vocalist in kpop after Kyuhyun

Siyeon's video might be bad but she's actually one of the few idols who is really good at singing she has a good technique most of the time .

@thatrandomperson5828

2 ай бұрын

she hasn't got the best technique, but her current vocal skill fits dreamcatcher songs

@ND-kh5yw

2 ай бұрын

Ability to clearly sing live > vocal technique Vocal colour and conveying emotion > vocal technique Siyeon is great :^)

@juliasouza2534

2 ай бұрын

Siyeon has a fantastic voice. She has a lot of natural talent but lacks a bit of vocal technique. Still she is definitely among the best vocalists in kpop.

@yoongiverse.

2 ай бұрын

yeah and she’s got different vocal technique. she sings mostly metal and she dances the entire time, i’ve seen her live and she sang the entire show. barely lip synced at all(i went to everglow and they lip synced 90% of the time)

@lelemacchi

2 ай бұрын

Ikr

Taehyun at Endless Rain is a proper example of him doing belting. This one was more about delivering the vibe of the song with additional raspy punk rock vocal

@yawnzzner

2 ай бұрын

!!!

@catngaum

2 ай бұрын

of course some army will just praise every lil thing bts did even tho it's sht or might hurt themself Edit :"some" or mostly haha

@ClubPuguin

2 ай бұрын

​@@catngaumAren't they talking about Taehyun of TXT 😅

@catngaum

2 ай бұрын

@@ClubPuguin ah my bad, sorry 😂

@yesyouarecorrect1315

2 ай бұрын

@@catngaum this happens to all fandoms why generalize

Taeyeon’s sent me to heaven

@kokirie10

2 ай бұрын

And there Ailee waits with Heaven, Heaven, Heaven, Heaven, Heaven!

Sandeul and DK are one of my favourite singers in kpop ✨ But the first guy from TXT obviously didn’t want to just make the belting, he wanted it to sound very “growling”, that’s why it sound painful 😅 I can’t say that someone in the compilation was bad 🤷‍♀️

@tbakhalid4781

Ай бұрын

Which group os Sanduel from?

@tenebrisnyx1548

29 күн бұрын

@@tbakhalid4781 From what I remember B1A4

I love Dk's belts so much ❤❤❤ and the guy who had the great belting was insane 🔥

@johnkim6574

2 ай бұрын

Not really. DK was straining a lot

@sydneysmom3680

2 ай бұрын

@@johnkim6574they still like it tho so ur comment is irrelevant to what they were talking bout lol

@Hellokitty_391

2 ай бұрын

@@johnkim6574 me when i lie

@baruahiya6672

2 ай бұрын

​@@johnkim6574me when I lie

@Momomimi18

2 ай бұрын

​@@johnkim6574🗿

i feel like you didnt give taehyun and siyeon any grace for the fact that theyre singing very different genres from the rest of what you considered decent to good belting, because those two you considered bad are doing more of a rock/punk rock that its intended its a bit scratchier lol

@MATZ_luvbot

Ай бұрын

Thank you somebody said it

@Poijikm

25 күн бұрын

i know but they are showing an example of it because at the end of the day that kind of belting could be harmful to you and dmg your own vocal chords and etc. they are just showing an example of bad belting they arent saying they arent good singers.

@drea94

24 күн бұрын

it doesn't sound "scratchy" it just sounds strained...

@guuks6291

23 күн бұрын

its definitely strained, he has done it better at times but this time he strained it

@jjs9958

20 күн бұрын

Yeah same for Siyeon ​@@guuks6291

And DK did that after a full day of practicing for his musical Xcalibur at that time with no rest 😌

@blueoceanartacademia1361

2 ай бұрын

Exactly!!

I think often people like to compare Siyeon to classically tained vocalists. Which leads yo people getting angry at eachother. She is a metal vocalist. They have different techniques, some can be harmful to your voice if you are not trained properly. Before her company, she was in metal band which proves her experience. Someone critisizing her techniques from this trained perspective isn't saying she is a bad vocalist. Metal vocalists have always been stylistic. Classically trained vocalists couldn't use metal techniques without proper training either, doesn't mean they are bad vocalists.

@Hiomi23

2 ай бұрын

bro some classical singer can sing rock genre too but they can pull better the note it's about range vocal

@damiharinhandongsupremacy1486

2 ай бұрын

@@Hiomi23 I disagree. I doubt think with their abilities they'd be able to growl. (In metal, not actual growling)

@Hiomi23

2 ай бұрын

@@damiharinhandongsupremacy1486 maybe you mean Scream in the metal genre, But I have never seen Siyeon do it

@Hiomi23

2 ай бұрын

@@damiharinhandongsupremacy1486 There is one idol who has classical techniques but can also hit the rock genre, his name is Seo Eunkwang from BTOB. I recommend you watching him live performing Rock and Metal songs 👇 [Seo Eunkwang - Shadowbringers] kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y62hm8Sdcd2Xn9o.htmlsi=665F0UgHyDKBJGdE [Seo Eunkwang - Rockstar] kzread.info/dash/bejne/nmyWprFrlKafoLg.htmlsi=oE2igz45bU8eD1qN [BTOB - Higher] kzread.info/dash/bejne/qZ2oj7GGoLKYldo.htmlsi=Ss95TF66SVdWsICX

@JustAsLongAsYouCallMe

2 ай бұрын

​@Hiomi23 What you're doing is being a hypocrite. Yes, some classical singers can sing everything. The same is true for some pop, randb, gospel, and rock (etc.) artists. That literally goes both ways. Me, personally, the only genre I can NOT sing is "true" rock. And, I'd just prefer not to put my voice through that kind of training. I'd prefer to stick at what's more "natural" for me.

Taehyun already showed different types of vocals styles and for this song he used the stressed tone if u all blindnessly complain about Taehyun and txt vocal skills go and watch the videos where they already showed their skills and Taehyun proved he is a skilled vocalist even in their debut era in 20 cm high note and many more and about this vocals he already mentioned he is taking good care of it

@seungmininthebuildung

2 ай бұрын

Agreed he is an amazing vocalist and they just chose what they didn't like even tho tae was just maching the vibe of the song actual bad singers are bad at any style he can sing different types

@sparkleaurora7172

2 ай бұрын

@@aldoobyand the performance they used here is a old one which he suppose to song in harsh tone as their producer said and he sang many notes without straining and he literally have high notes in most of their songs which he executed pretty well

I see dk i click

@ashikieee

2 ай бұрын

same

@starbald3895

2 ай бұрын

Samee haha

@wuraolatemitope7869

2 ай бұрын

Same here

@hazelmint6671

2 ай бұрын

DK is our angel voice boy! 😂

@Hellokitty_391

2 ай бұрын

@@hazelmint6671 of course!!

For anybody that doesn't know, Siyeon's belt in Break The Wall was not intended to sound clean. It's a more rock themed song, so of course a clean belt wouldn't fit.. To add further context to the concert they ripped this clip from, Siyeon had literally just finished crying moments before. She had been belting absolutely fine, in fact, they had to watch the concert for a whole 1 hour and 50 minutes to get that one clip of Siyeon. If you don't believe me, watch the full concert for yourself, the full concert was re-uploaded, it's called Dreamcatcher Apocalypse 2022 World Tour in Seoul. In Siyeon's case this creator intentionally (possibly maliciously) chose that specific example when they could have shown her many other belts in cover songs she's done like Aladdin's Speechless (where it's widely regarded as one of the song's best covers), Shadow (Dark Hole's OST where the main rapper of the group also belts), Bon Voyage as I've mentioned, BOCA to name a few if you wanted quick examples. There are so many examples of Siyeon belting well especially live and throughout that specific concert, you literally have to go far out of your way to find something and intentionally misconstrue it. If you don't believe me, I encourage you to go look it up for yourself and watch.

@_brp

2 ай бұрын

Exactly like it makes me sad

@ohaluv

2 ай бұрын

My thought exactly.

@Luavyy

2 ай бұрын

I aint reading all that

@septic_ambrose

2 ай бұрын

If he shows only the good examples for everyone, then that would defeat the purpose of this video

@sunnygrassx216

2 ай бұрын

He presents them like not specific instances of belting but vocalists' abilities, should've worded it better so that no misunderstanding occurred

Can we have a Ateez Jongho belting clip

@ritafleur2704

2 ай бұрын

Jungho is considered decent with strained in some parts where he pushes himself too much bad technic but I think he's getting better

@lo_quat

2 ай бұрын

@@ritafleur2704yeah when he’s actively dancing while singing but just raw vocals? Sheesh. Blows me away every time

@hoppipollaedits5116

2 ай бұрын

@@ritafleur2704 I heard some of his belts, and yeah, the earlier ones sound painful. But it looks like he’s taking vocal lessons bc it got much better recently. I hope more idols continue getting vocal lessons so as not to damage their vocal cords in the long run.

Dk isn’t decent he’s great

@XxGracie1xX

Ай бұрын

He is amazing honestly. 🤭

Emo punk song but want a belting like a melo? Are u okay?

DK being *decent* is CRAZZYYYYYYY.

@XxGracie1xX

Ай бұрын

Ugh you again. I can’t believe I’m agreeing to a toxic atiny. 🙄

Using Siyeon as an example of bad belting is wild (not to say that that clip used was amazing but girl can really sing, idols are human too ppl)

@thatrandomperson5828

Ай бұрын

if you watch the full video this is from, you would know he uses loads of different idols and Siyeon is also shown with a decent belt. he also specified that these belts do not at all represent their vocal ability, but just a specific example so people can learn the difference between good and bad belting.

@cherry-insomnia9188

17 күн бұрын

@@thatrandomperson5828 He hates Siyeon and has made + liked derogatory comments about her (like claiming she doesn’t have a sense of pitch…) along with constantly using out of context clips (ex. her weird note in Maison, which isn’t a mistake because it’s consistent across all recordings and performances but sounds off key in isolation), so you can safely discount his input and examples.

I feel like way to may people are disrespecting Siyeon . That was during a full on performance and at the end of a song with hard choreo, give my girl a pass she’s amazing

@cherry-insomnia9188

17 күн бұрын

This channel actually hates Siyeon, and has made and liked derogatory comments about her before. He always uses out of context clips of her (and recently Yoohyeon-like when she’d lost her in ear) as examples of her full vocal ability, and refuses to compare equivalent songs to support his weirdly biased agenda.

not Eunji belting that note behind a MASK?!

This is more like 4thgen vs 3rdgen vs 2ndgen

@Ashoyzh

2 ай бұрын

tbf jongho (ateez 4th gen) and belle (kiof 5th gen) have astounding vocals ! it's mostly the big4 groups of 4th gen that have terrible vocals

@chanosaurus

2 ай бұрын

@@Ashoyzh nmixx's vocal line eats what yall on

@uc6758

2 ай бұрын

@@Ashoyzhnot nmixx and aespa LOL 😂

@Thetenacityofkassidy

2 ай бұрын

Ehhh I mean Nmixx and Aespas vocal line is rlly good

@YoursTAngel

2 ай бұрын

​@@chanosaurusIk nmixx girls are good too, but Jongho's literally put among legends double for his age bcoz of his immense talent

"bad belting" doesn't mean bad sounding. it's just unhealthy and can cause strain on their vocal chords over time. it's sometimes even preferred for more rock sounds to have a strained belting sound.

Eunji even belting soo well with that mask on 👏👏

Taehyun's belting: non-existent😐

@DiegoSanstwen

2 ай бұрын

It honestly sounds so painful. I feel bad for him and the possible lasting consequences for his health.

@gamerxarmymultistan

2 ай бұрын

@DiegoSanstwen same, I really feel for him, and especially because he has so much potential. I wish hybe would get proper vocal teachers, or let them hire their own, because one day there will be an artist under hybe whose voice gets permanently damaged, and won't be able to perform any more. I'm sure this is in hybes future if they don't step up their game

@yourname4531

2 ай бұрын

@gamerxarmymultistan This singing technique is called vocal fry distortion. And unlike Kai, Taehyun does it completely wrong, which can lead to injury. Some vocalists take years to master this technique and use it safely. It’s sad that a music producer made them do things that they can’t do. I hope in the future they will refrain from such extremes. P.s. Belting in this technique is possible, but certainly requires careful training:)

@gamerxarmymultistan

2 ай бұрын

@@yourname4531 wow okay, yeah that is really sad. If they wanted that in their song they should've gone with an artist that could do it safely

@user-vu1qj2ym9e

2 ай бұрын

@@yourname4531Taehyun gets complimented a lot for his vocal fry though(?). How does he do it wrong than Huening Kai? I thought huening kai never did vocal cry?

Siyeons belting wasn't bad, I think she should've done it in a different note that complimented the end of Break The Wall

LEAVE MY GIRL SIYEON ALONE OMG SHES IN LIKE EVERY SINGLE VIDEO 😭

@DiegoSanstwen

2 ай бұрын

Siyeon is such a rare case. She's considerably less skilled than most main vocalists, but she's like THE VOICE for the kind of music they make. Yoo might have better technique, but I literally cannot imagine DC's discography without Siyeon's voice, lol.

@bennyliu7599

2 ай бұрын

thats okay, not every main vocalis can rock like her 👑

@connysbunny1227

2 ай бұрын

i think it’s cause of her style of singing. People who witness it without taking in account that these are different people, will just notice the differences and say that one’s better than the other. I’ve said this a lot but different people have different vocal styles.

@teezerology

2 ай бұрын

Maybe she should learn how to fcking do her job.

Taehyun's belting here has a purpose since hes going for that raspiness.. And Taeyeon was shouting though, i think u can tell by the way she ended it. Good job to all of them..

Eunji is and will always be something special Girl body all her seniors at debut with that note in I don’t know at 16-18 (idk how old she was but idols be young so lol) with a smile on her face

Taehyun's is a stylistic choice

@hopanacea8449

2 ай бұрын

by the way great singers in kpop are everywhere, but yall dont wanna spend your money and streams on these idols so they fail to thrive. js yall need to stop saying "we need better singers" if you won't support them. singers (and particularly performance-dependent ones) can only survive if there are people who actually watch and support them. go stream and promote them instead of shaming others!

@four-seasonz

2 ай бұрын

ate these ppl up

@HypeGirl-ys8ob

2 ай бұрын

​@@hopanacea8449So true

@beomgyubestboi26

2 ай бұрын

It's not

@saeicid

2 ай бұрын

regardless, he's still struggling and definitely isn't a good belter with or without using stylistic choices

1-3rd gen had a thing where it’s normal to have an exceptional vocalist per group Even though K-pop now has incredible dancers the singing tends to be the level of dancers in second gen

Eunji is just so clean❤

Taehyun have to be angry when he sing this line in the song🤷🏻‍♀️

*so yall are saying that all rock bands vocalist are bad singers? people with raspy vocals are also singers. there are different types of techniques and skills. yall are too ignorant, busy hating these vocalists* 😬

@Cardboardwater

2 ай бұрын

Girl nobody is hating??? Bad technique is bad technique regardless of their type of voice. Nobody is hating though all these artists have the potential to improve and we wish we could see more vocal centric kpop vs performance.

@spacecatmeows

2 ай бұрын

bruh your delulu is so strong it should be studied

@shiveikey6484

2 ай бұрын

Yeah ,it's just the voice types are different ....they may not be on the Same level but doesn't mean they are not good though..

@carnationgarnet1444

2 ай бұрын

Even people with raspy voice can hv good belting

A note on the video: comparing singers in a 2 hours concert, in the recording boot and in shows where they sing a single song is not a fair comparison.

Dude, the last one Siyeon was in a fucking concert, Taeyeon was trying to to cry and Eunji was just standing there. 😂

This creator obviously has something against Taehyun. In his career, a singer will have moments when they don't sound perfect, but you are only pointing those out for Th, when he literally is an amazing singer that slayed this belting technique many times

@ChrisIsAPotato

2 ай бұрын

It's not even hate, it's literally about how he belted. If you heard the G4, it's not healthy in comparison to someone like Sandeul. Taehyun strained that G4 and let's not act like it would be good for his vocal health if he continues to belt like that without changing his technique.

@beomigyuu313

2 ай бұрын

@@ChrisIsAPotato taehyun talked in the past about how his vocal teacher advised him how to do this technique so it would be less damaging to his vocals. Generally he belts well these notes btw, but the video is from 3 years ago, he doesn't use this technique all the time. And the creator said in a video "u must be stupid if u prefer Taehyun's vocals more than.." idk who, but he keeps using him as a bad example when he clearly isn't. He is a great vocalits, that keeps improving. Out of 100 times when he belts, maybe he makes a few mistakes, but the other times he does it like he is supposed to. Damaging or not, it wasn't his choice but he was aware

@teezerology

2 ай бұрын

@@beomigyuu313sure.

How can you say that about LEE SIYEON???????? ESTAS MUY MAL

Taehyun does not sound bad. He did well. The difference is that the song Taehyun is singing is an emo/ punk rock song hence, the scratchy/raspy belting. On the other hand, the rest of the singers are belting while singing pop songs and ballads, which requires a certain type of belting which is more distinct and clear.

@taykaygalaxy

2 ай бұрын

siyeon is also singing a rock song.

@SunRise1.0

2 ай бұрын

Bruhh

@Lixx143V

2 ай бұрын

I kinda agree with you. With the vibe of the song, I really like how he sounds. But that’s just my preference

@itsme-uo4uy

2 ай бұрын

@@taykaygalaxy I see. Then it also depends on the tone/mood of the rest of the song. Since 0×1 = Love song is full of angst, the kind of belting that Taehyun does suits the mood of the song.

@jeelee3096

2 ай бұрын

He's gonna ruin his voice like this

Dk was amazing

Taehyun doesn't have a bad belting lol. He is stylising it for emo rock song by adding scratch and growl. I am a trained singer that's why stating my opinion

@XxGracie1xX

Ай бұрын

I am too. Frr people love to speak over us. And I absolutely agree with you. Coming from a choir student.

2nd gen idols are a different breed

DK is soo amazing 🩷

But i like taehyun i dont think is bad. When i first listen to the song i like the raspy of his voice.

To be fair, taehyun was sacrificing technique for style- that somg required a more "rock" style vibe

this guy must be obsessed with siyeon

@Bluwie._.piixxee

2 ай бұрын

Go cry about it.

@befrr5

2 ай бұрын

And with Taehyun too

@gamerxarmymultistan

2 ай бұрын

Or maybe she just isn't that great on a technical level, same with taehyun. They both need proper both need proper training, and admitting that doesn't make someone a hater or obsessed with them, it shows that they care about their vocal health

@soyeonvsveggies

2 ай бұрын

@@befrr5nah taehyun deserves to be in this video, did you even hear his singing 😭

@2ndMostUnoriginalUsernameEver

2 ай бұрын

Siyeon is definitely not that great technically, but I feel like he is overexaggerating her problems. If she sings like he describes it to be, I doubt she would even be able to hold a note by now.

still waiting kyuhyun on your channel

step 1 : be a tenor

@dhisyastays

2 ай бұрын

genuinely asking. is tenor the only male category that can belt? i thought all good singers can learn to belt in their own range.

@mingisfixon6452

2 ай бұрын

​@@dhisyastays Assuming ur voice isn't extremely damaged from years upon years of u healthy habits (mainly thru addictions), all singers can learn to belt, riff, do low notes, use head voice and falsetto, and assuming u don't wait too long, whistle register as well.

@ttteeaa

2 ай бұрын

Don’t have to be.

@averyatwell95

2 ай бұрын

They're all tenors in this.

@dhisyastays

2 ай бұрын

@@averyatwell95 bcs kpop male singers are mostly tenors and the female are mostly sopranos. but it have nothing to do with belting ability

I disagree with this, Siyeon is one of the best vocalists I’ve seen

@nouriharratane9460

2 ай бұрын

This guy has something against dreamcatcher I swr to god whenever there's a video about 'vocalists who need training' , 'overrated vocalists' or 'bad belting' HE ALWAYS ADDS DREAMCATCHER INSTEAD OF IDOLS WHO ACTUALLY SHOULD BE MENTIONED

I gotta tell yall something that the first one I mean Taehyun, the vocalist from TXT who’s singing 0X1 = Love Song. He is singing in that way intentionally to convey the emotions of the song. He consulted the vocal trainers and other specialists for that attempt luckily it’s not affecting his vocal cords. And they added something so unrelated to this video, they could’ve included Taehyun’s and Kai’s actual belting instead of ruining his reputation with malicious shorts like this. Maybe they’re just expressing their hate towards TXT like this maybe?

@thatrandomperson5828

Ай бұрын

you seem like a really defensive fan that can't except any critisism. if you watched the full video you would know he used countless different idols and started the video by saying that the belts aren't a example of the idols vocal career, but just demonstrating a specific moment where the technique was bad.

@AP-fi2di

Ай бұрын

@@thatrandomperson5828 criticism? Where? Did he make any mistake? Sorry I'm not seeing any mistakes in his vocals from this video? So why criticism? Can you elaborate on that?

I think Taehyun has so much potential with his unique sounding, 'crackly' voice. He just needs more vocal lessons. DK is amazing!

@beomigyuu313

2 ай бұрын

Taehyun does not need more vocal lesson tho. Watch the live radio session of Lovesong and see that he can actually sing those parts. Btw this is from 3 years ago, he improved a lot as a vocalist

@cherinlady

Ай бұрын

@@beomigyuu313Im pretty sure hes improved from lovesong this was like 3 years ago which was 2 years into his career. he is wayy better now

EXCELLENT baiting technique, you're driving engagement, but have managed to avoid getting nasty about it. I've seen kpop fan videos in this genre get vicious and they could take notes from you on this. I'm not being sarcastic, I really wish they would, it is scary out there. It's very obvious that these clips are being judged in a specific framework. So I can't get offended because the rock style that Siyeon is famous for is not appropriate for that context. If she belted like that in most opera or musical theater settings, it would be bad. Of course there's some where it would work, but the vast majority are not rock. I actually think this is a really interesting comparison of techniques, framing notwithstanding, and I like that the male and female sections are all in similar styles. I don't know if this is possible, but it would be super cool if you could compare vocalists as they sing in different genres like r&b, musical theater, and... idk another genre 😅. As in, vocalists who have done more than one genre and the differences in how they sing them.

@cherry-insomnia9188

17 күн бұрын

There’s now a commonly accepted myth spread both in and out of the Dreamcatcher fandom that Siyeon has bad vocal technique, largely driven by this dude’s weird vendetta against her, so I wouldn’t give him credit for a superior bait technique when he’s actually being exactly what he looks like.

You did not just compare people in a studio or legendary vocalists to rookie/other idols belting after dancing hard or performing on an actual stage.

@soyeonvsveggies

2 ай бұрын

he quite literally did not. all of these performances are clearly live and none of these belts are done while doing choreo 😭 also nobody here is a rookie, and your point about the “legendary idols” makes no sense, youre basically saying they shouldnt be used as a good example because of how good they are lmao

@cherinlady

Ай бұрын

@@soyeonvsveggiesthey mean legendary as in experienced. they’re basically saying they shouldn’t use newer idols and compare them to older idols

don’t do that to my girl Siyeon

@nouriharratane9460

2 ай бұрын

This guy has something against dreamcatcher I swr to god whenever there's a video about 'vocalists who need training' , 'overrated vocalists' or 'bad belting' HE ALWAYS ADDS DREAMCATCHER INSTEAD OF IDOLS WHO ACTUALLY SHOULD BE MENTIONED

@connysbunny1227

2 ай бұрын

@@nouriharratane9460 Like everyone goes after them 😭😭😭 Wtf did my girls do to you??? Beat your favs??? Like Insomnias are used to losing. Sorry for like supporting our girls. But like part of me want to say that it’s just because of Siyeon’s singing style that some people could say that. Although, it’s not your place to say if an idol needs vocal work or not. They did debut for a reason.

@nouriharratane9460

2 ай бұрын

@@connysbunny1227 and they're still using them in their vids because INsomnia s don't really fight that much so instead of using famous idols who actually are overrated and need vocal training they use our girls . let them have a rest GOSH

@connysbunny1227

2 ай бұрын

@@nouriharratane9460 true true

The first one isnt bad belting, hes vocal frying and doing screamo(common rock and metal techniques) to add flavor to it (similar to when singers scream instead of belt in order to add feeling)

@Winter_is_crying

2 ай бұрын

Taehyun in general has a bad belting, he pushes too much, no hate to him tho

@smittenbean6266

2 ай бұрын

Screamo/Vocal fry is separate from belting. You can add vocal fry but have an unhealthy belt and vice versa. Although the two are often associated with each other, vocal fry does not equate belting.

@shaunyjimenez9637

2 ай бұрын

@@smittenbean6266 vocal fry is a voice technique, it can be mixed into any sort of singing

@shaunyjimenez9637

2 ай бұрын

@@Winter_is_crying im ngl idk who he is but he strongly reminds me of tyler joseph and baby metal singers

@smittenbean6266

2 ай бұрын

@@shaunyjimenez9637 I know, that’s what I’m saying. But vocal fry is a separate technique from belting. So because he’s using vocal fry doesn’t excuse his poor belting. And since you mentioned it Tyler Joseph is actually a pretty good example of healthy vocal fry and healthy belting.

Siyeon has decent belt but can your idol sang metal like her? 👑

@Hiomi23

2 ай бұрын

yes my idol can rock and metal song

@bennyliu7599

2 ай бұрын

@@Hiomi23 well good for them! we cant compare a pop vocalist and a rock vocalist

@ilanakidiadia3181

2 ай бұрын

That's on periodt

@oohmyjooy

2 ай бұрын

Siyeon is also a pop vocalist just like the others. Not you guys talking about her like she's the singer of some real ass metal band.

@bennyliu7599

2 ай бұрын

@@oohmyjooy she was a pop vocalist but her company told her to be a rock vocalist, you sould listen to her minx era vocal, she has a really good belt

5 generation: no belting

@hannavang1594

23 күн бұрын

What About Evnne Seungeon???

@saeicid

20 күн бұрын

ZB1 and Kiss Of Life don't exist to you??

@angelf722

18 күн бұрын

Kiss Of Life Belle, Riize Sohee, Babymonster Ahyeon, Rora, Rami and Pharita, Zb1 Taerae??? Just stan the right groups in 5th gen the ones that can sing.

THANK YOU for finally giving sandeul his due appreciation and acknowledgment of his talent. B1A4 is my ult bg and I've known for a long time that he's one of the best singers in kpop. it's just sad that not a lot of people know about him or the group

There r thousands of clip of taehyun belting but ya your hate for txt obviously made u choose tge worst when txt probably is tte only 4ty gen group who r vocalists nd not just dancers.

@soyeonvsveggies

2 ай бұрын

theres plenty of clips of taehyun belting where he sounds constipated

@kissmyflatbrownass

2 ай бұрын

@@soyeonvsveggiesonly replying to moas comments oml ur such a beg MOVE😹😹

@Bbeomgyu_5

2 ай бұрын

@@soyeonvsveggiesthere’s also many more clips where he sounds good. But let’s only bring up the bad stuff yeah? Y’all act like singers should be perfect every time they’re preforming. Also Taehyun sings those crazy ass high notes while dancing. So idk what ur talking abt 😂

@teezerology

2 ай бұрын

Tbh he isn’t the strongest Main Vocalist so sit your ass down.

@Bbeomgyu_5

2 ай бұрын

@@teezerology Where did “strongest” come from. Being a good vocalist doesn’t mean you have a to have a strong voice. And according to google, and me, Taehyun is one of the best main vocalists out there whether you like it or not. Taehyun is also the main vocalist in txt so 🤷‍♀️

Y’all if you have no knowledge on vocals or aren’t a singer or choir person. THEN YOU DONT GET TO SPEAK AS IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

Wait, before you all start agreeing and hating on idols please read this!!! All of those belts were great. Everyone saying Taehyun was bad… guys he was using head-voice. When singers belt, they draw air from their diaphragm and their pitch and breath is longer, smoother, and a clean flow, this is chest-voice. Now, Taehyun and DK were using head-voice. With this, they sing more through their throat/upper torso, maybe even their nose, and they draw breath from their lungs rather than using their diaphragm. This makes the sound more raw, with cracks, and more gravelly, but it’s all intentional. Honestly, a lot of people consider both types to be belting, but if you take that approach then you need to understand that there are different types of belting and belting techniques. Usually a bad belt is characterized as shaky, unstable, short duration, flat, and/or off tune. His wasn’t any, but it was only gravelly, and again intentional. Taehyun and Soobin even mentioned how strained their voices were from doing gravelly head-voice, but it was how they were supposed to sound since the album was more rock than pop. Belting can be punchy/intense or smooth/resonant/light; It all depends on the technique and style which can be different due to genre. Just cause someone hits a high note doesn’t define their belt as amazing and perfect. It’s not about the note you hit it’s about the execution. Each idol executed very good and different belting styles. Each belt was great. ❤️❤️ Can you pin this so people can know the difference? 🥲 Also, I’m not trying to hate, I’m sincerely just explaining. ☺️🫶

@XxGracie1xX

Ай бұрын

UP, UP, UP. THIS NEEDS TO BE PINNED RN FOR THESE WANNABE VOCAL COACHES WHICH BTW THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ON LOL.

@HyperactiveSloth23

Ай бұрын

@@XxGracie1xX YES! Thank you!!! 🙏

@XxGracie1xX

Ай бұрын

@@HyperactiveSloth23 you are very welcome. I’ve been trying to prove others wrong but I seem to get cut off. Since I can’t prove online that I’m a choir student for 3 years but wtv.

@HyperactiveSloth23

Ай бұрын

@@XxGracie1xX no, I totally feel you. I’ve been a vocalist for years (choirs, plays, and have taken voices lessons) and it’s crazy how people are so quick to judge before getting the facts. I also hate how all the hateful and rude comments are getting all the responses, but when you try to explain no one cares and they just cut you off. Like guys literally I have experience, but if you don’t believe me just look it up. 😭😭 Seeing Taehyun get all this hate for his great vocals just breaks my heart. He has a good voice, but people are so narrow minded. Just cause you listen to lots of music doesn’t mean you know what good and bad vocals are. 😭 And I’m not trying to be rude, but seriously I wish people would just take the time to listen then they would understand. Taehyun doesn’t deserve that hate. He’s an idol for a reason and I think the real professionals know his talent, or he wouldn’t be part of a K-pop group. 😂

@XxGracie1xX

Ай бұрын

Also if you don’t mind me asking. In choir what were you considered.

The first clip of Taehyun is literally a bad decision for choosing for this video that is rock/punk style when he’s singing in a raspy voice intentionally cuz that matches the vibe of their concept!

@soyeonvsveggies

2 ай бұрын

siyeon was singing a rock song but didnt sound nearly as bad as he did

@annyeongchingu5501

2 ай бұрын

@@soyeonvsveggies the difference in gender counts too! Also go listen to the song first then say! And also go listen to his ACTUAL vocals

@soyeonvsveggies

2 ай бұрын

@@annyeongchingu5501 how is him singing here not his actual vocals…

@annyeongchingu5501

2 ай бұрын

@@soyeonvsveggies i would recommend you to listen to his vocals compilation cuz this style was very different than how he sings usually its for the rock concept! Listen to songs like “Anti-Romantic” , “Our summer” and other ballad songs of TxT

@Bbeomgyu_5

2 ай бұрын

@@annyeongchingu5501 fr they should see him in 20cm and other b-sides.

nmixx, especially lily is one of our ONLY hope for a good vocalist in 4th gen like bring back SINGERS

You did siyeon so bad. She has really good live belts bruh

@nouriharratane9460

2 ай бұрын

This guy has something against dreamcatcher I swr to god whenever there's a video about 'vocalists who need training' , 'overrated vocalists' or 'bad belting' HE ALWAYS ADDS DREAMCATCHER INSTEAD OF IDOLS WHO ACTUALLY SHOULD BE MENTIONED

Taehyun sang in emo style in accordance to the vibe of the song. If you wanna listen to his vocal, try to watch him performing ‘Endless Rain’ along with hueningkai at MAMA 2023

Such ridiculous haters in the comments hating on Taehyun and TXT. Y'all are either delusional af or just hateful if u say the man can't sign, cause he obviously can

@soyeonvsveggies

2 ай бұрын

if he can sing then why he sound like that

@beomigyuu313

2 ай бұрын

@@soyeonvsveggies go watch the entire performance and see for yourself that he soounds good. Or watch his recent mama performance with kai, cause his vocals became even better. Don't you think that deciding a singer can sing or not based on a single note is ridiculous?

@soyeonvsveggies

2 ай бұрын

@@beomigyuu313 ive seen plenty of aint no other fan videos that prove that he cant sing, its not like this is my first time hearing taehyun

@beomigyuu313

2 ай бұрын

@@soyeonvsveggies so then u know he can sing, why ask me in the first place

@soyeonvsveggies

2 ай бұрын

@@beomigyuu313 ah so were just being delusional, got it 👍

SANDEUL IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE BEST BELTERS I mean he's a singer after all and a part time idol😂😂 Kidding he's a full time idol but not like a dancing idol, he's more on singing

This guy has something against dreamcatcher I swr to god whenever there's a video about 'vocalists who need training' , 'overrated vocalists' or 'bad belting' HE ALWAYS ADDS DREAMCATCHER INSTEAD OF IDOLS WHO ACTUALLY SHOULD BE MENTIONED

Not Y’all Eating Taehyun Up 🤨

@cherinlady

Ай бұрын

? no

GIRL EXCUSE ME SIYEON IS A METAL VOCALIST BRUH

Taehyun has an incredible vocal, we cannot compare with a single video all the recognition that he gained, obviously the 2gn is going to be one of the best but it does not mean that there are good vocalists like Taehyun Jongho, Jk, Dk, Seukgwan, Seungmin 💕

Solar from mamamoo has greatest belting skills

King Taeyeon💕💅👑

Companies really f*cked up with 4th gen in vocal dept. coz 5th gen vocalists (like ZB1, Kiss Of Life, TWS) feel like a breath of fresh air..

@wonyoricky

2 ай бұрын

Zb1 mention omg my vocalist sons

@saeicid

2 ай бұрын

EXACTLY!!!

@irrelevancyiskey9992

2 ай бұрын

you say that like s2 is not absolutely destroying kiss of lifes vocal health rn

@ViDhana1010

2 ай бұрын

@@irrelevancyiskey9992 woah i didnt know abt that.. I dont follow them that well..

@ViDhana1010

2 ай бұрын

@@irrelevancyiskey9992 can you tell me what happened?

DK is the vocalist king

People finally including Dokyeom while talking about vocals in kpop? Wow

Thanks for mentioning Sandeul

No way you had dreamcatcher siyeon as bad 😕

@nouriharratane9460

2 ай бұрын

This guy has something against dreamcatcher I swr to god whenever there's a video about 'vocalists who need training' , 'overrated vocalists' or 'bad belting' HE ALWAYS ADDS DREAMCATCHER INSTEAD OF IDOLS WHO ACTUALLY SHOULD BE MENTIONED

@rosesaredark

2 ай бұрын

@@nouriharratane9460 well I guess we know who their faves are 🤭

@nouriharratane9460

2 ай бұрын

@@rosesaredark probably some heavy autotuned groups , I just hope these kinds of videos don't get to dreamcatcher nothing scares me more than them disbanding

@rosesaredark

2 ай бұрын

@@nouriharratane9460 no way this kind of videos will affect them when they survived 7 years with how the kpop industry treats them and they still renewed their contract. They already have an established fanbase which have even non kpop fans that support them non stop. This type videos is just frustrating because kpopies always discredit them

@nouriharratane9460

2 ай бұрын

@@rosesaredark and the problem is new kpop fans will judge them based on this type of video. LIKE BRO PUT OF ALL THE MID VICALISTS U COULDVE CRITIQUED

Taeyeon is only decent? I love the way she expressed the emotion through her voice belting though. It matched the song so well. I tear up evrytime I listen to her singing live

u wrong for putting siyeon in the bad section compared to the first dude 🥴🥴

@nouriharratane9460

2 ай бұрын

This guy has something against dreamcatcher I swr to god whenever there's a video about 'vocalists who need training' , 'overrated vocalists' or 'bad belting' HE ALWAYS ADDS DREAMCATCHER INSTEAD OF IDOLS WHO ACTUALLY SHOULD BE MENTIONED

Taehyun is singing an emo rock song bruh , he had to have a raspy vocal . Choose other txt songs . Men i hate u so much ik u hate txt so much. Why not choose aespa, Ive, enhypen, actually bad singers . Txt is the only 4rh gen group who actually sings but u pick on them

@soyeonvsveggies

2 ай бұрын

help did you just call aespa bad singers 💀 txt stans always gotta be the most delusional people on earth

@kissmyflatbrownass

2 ай бұрын

Ik man

@Winter_is_crying

2 ай бұрын

If you call aespa bad singers, you don't know anything about music and vocal technique, and you say "the only", not when Ateez, skz, and Nmixx of course, exist.

@NaIrULoZ

2 ай бұрын

Oh boy, just because txt belting technique is bad, which it clearly is, because you can literally hear taehyun vocal cords screaming for help, doesn’t mean they can’t sing. But it is a bad belting technique because he hurts himself. He is still a decent singer but should work on his technique to prevent damage in the future

@j4eeee

2 ай бұрын

You wet cooking till you started trashing other groups 😭

Bro I'm reporting you for spreading misino 💀💀💀

Taehyun’s is out of his range, he can’t control it

I like the 4th gen, but only Xdinary heroes and ateez save the vocals i'm their gen (masculine groups)

that resonance on eunji's E5 is insane or maybe its because of the acoustics?

hehe i’m happy you found sandeul!

Just because a person can hit high notes doesnt make them good singer, high notes are impressive but its not everything

@boots4000

2 ай бұрын

what relevance does your comment have to this video?

@alu2330

2 ай бұрын

This vid is about belting

@atinybruh

2 ай бұрын

@@boots4000 i dont know, but so dont other comments Actually idk what im talking about mb

These are quite nice examples. On the topic of belting, I'd like to suggest you check Vanessa Amorosi. She's an amazing belter (I'd say she's relative to Sohyang); yet, she's incredibly underappreciated.

That is so rude! Taehyun is AMAZING, he did not do bad

@thatrandomperson5828

2 ай бұрын

this video was just criticising one specific belt, not his entire vocal career. don't get offended so quickly, otherwise you seem like a delulu fan who won't except anything but praise for their idol

@ScruffyMcBuffy

2 ай бұрын

@thatrandomperson5828 do NOT call me delulu it's cringe. And why did they choose that one. It's still kinda rude cause they said it's bad, they could have said not the best in this video

@thatrandomperson5828

2 ай бұрын

@@ScruffyMcBuffy all they said was bad? its fine to criticise something yk. its not like they said horrendous or terrible - that would be overly rude. they chose that one because it was a bad belt? and they needed a bad belt for that section?

@Winter_is_crying

2 ай бұрын

​@@ScruffyMcBuffyit's just an example of a bad technique, yall are too sensitive and biased

@XxGracie1xX

Ай бұрын

@@thatrandomperson5828still if you are going to critique. Find a better video than that. Because i guarantee you that there is a better video out there. Don’t you dare say that i have no knowledge on vocals. Well you are absolutely wrong. I am a choir student, a soprano 1 going on 3 years now.

Apink vocal supremacy ❤

The Bad Belting here means tha the technique that they used is wrong it can actually damage their vocal chords but it does not mean that they are bad singers. The fact that they reached that high note is impressive

We need a clip of Kyuhyun:D

When it comes to belting, you cannot leave out Solar.

@teezerology

2 ай бұрын

Boohoo go cry about it.

@XxGracie1xX

Ай бұрын

@@teezerologyobviously you are a baby stan lmao 🤣

Hybe actually need to invest in good vocal training. 😓 it’s evident in a lot of their groups..

1) siyeon out of context- like she has great blues, and somany other live clips standing mic with great technique 2) as many others said, she isnt a classical trained singer, her background is rock/metal like if you want check the crossroads concert day 1, and youll se what shes really capable of EVEN SINGING BALLAD

@thatrandomperson5828

Ай бұрын

The Bad Belting here means that the technique that she used is wrong it can actually damage their vocal chords but it does not mean that she is neccesarily a bad singer

@cherry-insomnia9188

17 күн бұрын

@@thatrandomperson5828 she’s been singing for 15 years, a professional vocalist for 10, and touring for 7. If her technique was actually gonna damage her vocal cords they’d be gone already.

@thatrandomperson5828

14 күн бұрын

@@cherry-insomnia9188 yeah but one bad belt doesnt mean every belt shes done in her career is bad?? Singers have some good days and some bad days. this could just be a bad day for her

Yall know right there are correct and healthy ways of matching to the painful/sad vibe of the song and the first one was definitely not it, that is just damaging his vocal chords

@angelf722

18 күн бұрын

that is what fans need to understand. Hybe vocal training is really bad and damaging to their artists voices, which is why txt is never praised for their vocals.

@hudafatima2564

15 күн бұрын

@@angelf722 ik ive checked them and they are NOT thought how to utilize their breath while singing. Like breathing on the stomach and not lungs is the bare minimum technique

poor taehyun, he always sounds so awful 😭

@soyeonvsveggies

2 ай бұрын

and hes the main vocalist… just imagine how the other members must sound if thats their best vocalist 😭

@jessicalin831

2 ай бұрын

@@soyeonvsveggies i think this ones kind of a bad example of his skills, not to say that he's a great vocalist. i think they were going for a heavy metalish vibe, and that just means bad belting. but yeah, txt's vocals are not super good.

@ashikieee

2 ай бұрын

@@jessicalin831The focus on this video is 3 singers doing a belting in the same note

@jessicalin831

2 ай бұрын

@@ashikieee i know, im just saying the style that he was supposed to sing in was aiming for a heavy metal vibe, so it was just a bad example of his belting due to the stylistic differences. i'm not saying its a good belt, i'm just saying due to the circumstances of the song, its not a good example of a bad belt as the intent was that ugly, raspy sound.

@Hellokitty_391

2 ай бұрын

I'm afraid he would damage his vocals tbh