I saw a comment on another video that stated this movie is a mashup of characters from different genres of movies. A spy thriller, a musical, a heist movie, a horror, and a war movie. I thought that was dope and only deepened my appreciation of this movie.

@RobyFN2169dtf

5 жыл бұрын

That’s super-interesting, dude. Never thought of it like that

@denmaddinja608

5 жыл бұрын

I love how the war vet straight up killed the horror villain

@bodenthatcher6738

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry to be so offtopic but does someone know of a method to get back into an Instagram account..? I was dumb forgot the password. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me

@levidominik4780

2 жыл бұрын

@Boden Thatcher instablaster =)

@usertwelve7805

2 жыл бұрын

And the romance is between billy lee and rose

Finally someone talks about this movie. I loved it. It should’ve gotten more attention

I blame the marketing All the promotion I saw for the movie was the occasional poster on a bus

@RobyFN2169dtf

5 жыл бұрын

I was saying this the other day. Horrid marketing for a film that should’ve (at least) crossed $100m worldwide. A damn shame, but hey, I could definitely see it being a cult film in a few years

@stevenvo1999

5 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen plenty of posters on buses here in Australia at the time. But I guess Fox was just too preoccupied with the Disney merger to properly market Bad Times to be the hit it deserved to be. And it makes me sad, this is my 2nd favourite 2018 film after Spider-Verse. Same thing happened to Widows with Fox giving up on marketing. Both of these movies could have been Oscar contenders, damn it!

@loris9560

5 жыл бұрын

it saw quite a bit of trailers but I agree its super underrated

@cli260

2 жыл бұрын

it's actually how i came across this movie: a single poster on a london metro station. but the poster drew my attention

@emilytretyak2534

14 күн бұрын

I discovered this movie only last year. I’d never heard of it before then. I was visiting my parents when I found the blue ray, unopened and still plastic wrapped, near the bottom of a 5 for $5 bin at goodwill. I threw it in my cart because I collect movies. When I opened it I saw it had a blue ray and DVD copy so I left the dvd for my parents and took the blue ray for myself and forgot about it. A month or so later my parents called me and were like “Holy shit, have you watched that Bad Times movie? It’s GREAT!” Only then did I remember it and sat down to watch it. And if that story isn’t a perfect analogy for just how overlooked this movie is and was idk what is. This movie is so good on so many levels and yet it got nothing. No marketing, No notoriety, no recognition. I don’t even know if it broke even at the box office. Everyone involved with this movie should’ve been nominated for something. Actors, writers, designers, everyone. I recommend this movie to everyone, especially anyone who says Dakota Johnson can’t act.

One of the few movies that I went out of my way to travel to a different city just to see in the cinema. And boy am I glad I did.

@RobyFN2169dtf

5 жыл бұрын

Totally worth the price of admission. So happy I can confidently say I saw this film in a cinema.

Soundtrack was dope af nobody seems to mention this aspect enough lol

@ashwinmenon7953

3 жыл бұрын

Michael Giacchino for the win!! :)

There's no good or bad people. Bad people can do good things. Good people can do bad things. That's what I took from the movie when I watched it last year. Need to rewatch it.

@RobyFN2169dtf

5 жыл бұрын

What’re you waiting for?!?!? Rewatch, rewatch!

@tawdryhepburn4686

4 жыл бұрын

Uhh... there were at *least* two very bad people in this film.

@m.jmaria6254

3 жыл бұрын

@callmecatalyst totally agree. Reality is actually a big bad entity that can turn anyone into a villain.reality is hard to face.

@mr.mannsstreetstv6886

3 жыл бұрын

@@tawdryhepburn4686 lmaoo

A movie about GOD directed by a guy named GODdard...coincidence? I most certainly think NOT.

@conalcochranh3274

5 жыл бұрын

What is god? My guess is that it's Will...and life, in all it's variety, IS that Will. You see, in my opinion, both the creator and creation is one in the same. Therefore, god, at his/her most aware, is intelligent life. So the next time you look in the mirror, or into your lover's eyes, know that you're looking at god.

When I first saw this movie I thought my KZread thread would blow up with reactions & different versions of video essays; along with it being on top 10 lists. That never happened to my surprise. really grateful you tackled this one.

I was so mad that this movie tanked at the box office. I saw it twice in theaters, and I really really love it. I hadn’t really thought much about what the movie says about God, but you make some interesting points. My take on the movie is that it is asking what is truth and is it always important. Father Flynn isn’t actually a priest, but that doesn’t matter because his forgiveness still meant something. The person in the tape did something bad, but ultimately it is deemed more important for society that the person be seen as a hero. That last point reminded me of The Dark Knight, which says that it was more important for Gotham to see that hero in Harvey Dent, even though he wasn’t actually one. I think the points about God and truth go hand in hand, because this movie also reminded me of Life of Pi, which says that whether or not God is real doesn’t matter, what matters is that the thought gives people something to hope for and cling to. I guess the great thing about this movie is that different people can have different takes on the movies themes and messages, and yet they can all center around the same principles.

@elroyalepictures2610

5 жыл бұрын

Eliot Gammons I totally agree, I saw the movie 3 times in cinemas and took as many of my friends to see it to try to support it.

I saw this at an early screening with some critics and the director. It was one of those movies that the audience didn't appreciate on their original view. I hope it grows over time, because this was such a fantastic film. Reminds me of tarantino's best qualities, yet a fresh twist with goddard's direction.

It's my personal favorite film of 2018

@RobyFN2169dtf

5 жыл бұрын

Matthew Tuazon it’s certainly in my top 5. First Man was simply unbeatable

@matthewtuazon6705

5 жыл бұрын

@@RobyFN2169dtf My top 5 goes: 1. Bad Times 2. Blindspotting 3. Spider-Verse 4. Suspiria 5. Annihilation First Man is in my top 15. And it deserves a lot of praise for its technical merits but The Academy has poor taste.

@stevenvo1999

5 жыл бұрын

It’s my second favourite after Into the Spider-Verse.

@rashawnevans3039

3 жыл бұрын

Really better then annihilation

Tired: Tom Holland's death in Avengers Infinity War (2018) Wired: Lewis Pullman's death in Bad Times at the El Royale (2018) Tired: What's inside the brief case in Pulp Fiction (1994)? Wired: What's on the tape in Bad Times at the El Royale (2018)? Tired: Oscar Issac's dancing in Ex Machina (2015) Wired: Chris Hemsworth's dancing in Bad Times at the El Royale (2018)

@RobyFN2169dtf

5 жыл бұрын

Bad Times low-key best film ever made?

@thomascatty379

5 жыл бұрын

BattleUp Saber great comment

@stankyleg7094

5 жыл бұрын

The tape was JFK and marylene menro

@thomascatty379

5 жыл бұрын

sarcastic hypocrite actually that's not dumb

@fernandobarroso2805

4 жыл бұрын

Ik right? What whas on the tapeee?!?!

I absolutely love this movie! It's a nice video, but I wish you talked about Darlene. Her character is quite interesting too.

Thank god someone else appreciated this film! Both this and ‘American Animals’ were masterpieces of last year and completely overlooked by so many- thanks for making the vid roby

Why you gotta kill Chris Hemsworth every minute

This film is my type of film all over, a pulpy Stylised thriller with a wonderful blend of stellar acting, clean editing and a fun, complex narrative. Bad times at The El Royale was truly a great time at the cinema for me in 2018

Thank you for making a video about this film! I thought that God was present in the film almost as a bystander. The people in the hotel are humanity. Billy is the devil (seductive, arrogant, and reminding everyone of their sins). When he is literally gambling people's lives, the power goes out as if to say "stop it!". The church are Darlene, Miles, and Father Flynn. Darlene and Miles are true humble believers (the only people who prayed in the entire film) and the preist who is there as a reminder of God ("because sometimes a man's memory is more important..." [because the preist has a memory problem, the inspiration a leader provides is more important than what they can physically do, Flynn cares about his brother's sacrifice]. What I understood from this film is that we need to help each other out. You cannot rely on family (Rose chose Billy over her sister), on the government (D.C. literally told Seymour not to interfere with a suspected kidnapping), on business (the hotel management couldn't care less for ANYONE except their gains). We must rely on each other's humanity and compassion for salvation. I believe Miles died peacefully because of a lie he was told out of compassion. Darlene, being the most oppressed person in the hotel is able to identify a desperate need for compassion and pushes Flynn to "help him!".

I literally watched this movie a few hours ago its fucking amazing 9/10 will definitely be watching again at some point. Drew Goddard can do no wrong, from Cabin in the Woods to Netflix's Daredevil to this.

What's your favourite song in Bad Times At The El Royale? Such a killer soundtrack, man. P.S. Don't buy the merchandise in the description of this video. I didn't design it. Classic KZread using products. I'm working on some better stuff :)

@battleupsaber462

5 жыл бұрын

This is like asking me to choose which one of my children is my favourite

@ravenous2650

5 жыл бұрын

I can't take my eyes off you.

@CapitalFProductions

5 жыл бұрын

No worries, that t-shirt design is fugly

@sierra3644

5 жыл бұрын

california dreamin

@friskyfrisky1010

4 жыл бұрын

Hush by deep purple

You must really hate Chris Hemsworth. You shot him dead like a dozen times in 12 minutes.

I would seriously love to hear your thoughts on “Overlord!!” I thought it was such a well made film that juggled so many genres.

Fantastic video! I was really looking forward to this video from you and I was not disappointed!

awesome video man ! it’s also one of my favourite movies

When I watched this film I felt guilty for myles everything he has been through he saves the rest of the guests at the end to be killed

My favourite movie from this year, no joke. People may disagree but I loved it

Another fantastic essay Roby! Definitely one of my favourite films of 2018 too.

I am on the youtube app and I could only read the title up to the "over" part and I got worried that you were gonna say overated. Because it is my favourite 2018 movie

@CalebRuiz

5 жыл бұрын

Lydia Georgiopoulou same lol

@CalebRuiz

5 жыл бұрын

Coincidence? I think NOT!

@michaeldinan3692

5 жыл бұрын

Same

Your review is a piece of art.

I got to see an advanced screening of it and i couldnt stop talking about it for months. And we all know what was on that tape.

you being able to come out with all these inteprations is really great. how your mind works>>

Loved this film, agree it was underrated. My favorite element/storyline from the film, which I wish was a bittt more fleshed out, was the Billy Lee/Rosie [and also of course bringing in Emily] storyline...Having just finished the screenplay for the first time, and hoping it might have some cut material from that part of the plot [which it did, but very very little, and nothing that really clarified], there's a few things I wonder if anyone else, having seen the film a few times, might feel a bit more certain about: So, okay, in a similar fashion to people obsessing over what 'real' historical figure might be on the film, which I felt was ultimately unimportant to the plot, what was relevant was only that you knew what TYPE of person they had on the film [along with his earlier mentioned "kindness" to Miles being the reason he kept it], I felt that people getting really into the idea that in this 'universe' Rosie was supposed to be the murderer of the Tate household was missing the point, in a way. First of all, they do specify in the finished film [though interestingly, NOT in the screenplay] that the murder victims were a local wealthy married couple. While Billy Lee does say things like "Did you tell 'em what she did?", to Emily, in reference to Rose, the implication is that she did what she did under the influence of Billy Lee. HOWEVER, an interesting, blink-and-you-miss it tidbit in the film (but again, NOT the script) is that the couple was known to run some kind of outreach program for 'homeless and troubled youths' (not a direct quote, and it's not in the script so don't have one). So that got me thinking that Rose had some kind of connection to these people, perhaps when she first fled Alabama to California she was... involved in this program? It seems odd to specify that detail without it having any meaning. The only other tiny piece of information I have in relation to it, this element being IN the screenplay, but as far as I recall, not visible in the film, is that when it describes the quick cut/flashback to Rose standing on the lawn, over the body of the murder victim, behind her we are supposed to see a 'Man' looking through the glass, observing her what she is up to...the suggestion, naturally, being that this is Billy Lee, checking her progress, because presumably, if it was the husband looking through the window at Rose standing over his wife's corpse, he wouldn't be so calm and still. OKAY, so...sorry, I realize this is a disorganized paragraph, but if anybody has actually read his far: Did you guys have any thoughts on the people Rose killed, why she did it, whether it was under the direction of Billy or whether his inspiring the 'violence' in her just caused her to run off and do it on her own? Do you think she was supposed to have a motive? What did you think of the Billy Lee/Rose storyline in general, and was I the only one who found that little cult "Who is God? etc aspect of the storyline so gripping, as it seems so many people focus more on other storylines, especially the one that for me was the most forgettable, that being Laramie Seymour Sullivan/Agent Broadbeck??

I missed this video in my search for videos appreciating this movie, but I’m glad I found it now

Great video. I actually watched this film last night on BluRay as my son had received it for Christmas and wanted me to see it with him. Really enjoyed it, with some fantastic performances, as usual Jeff Bridges never disappoints. Thanks to your essay I will watch it again, very soon I hope, and in a new light. Also, if you take Billy Lee’s initials, incrementally one letter later in the alphabet you get CM. 😉 Also: subbed. 😊👍

Not to mention the scene where he digs up the money synced up to the woman singing is fucking phenomenal. Love this movie, wish it was a hit

Great video. This was one of my favorite films of last year. It’s a true shame the movie bombed. Question for an aspiring video essayist how do you get your movie footage? From Blu Rays? If so how exactly. I’m screen recording digital movies for my footage. But it’s really inconsistent. Please let me know what you use.

Love your video and I also enjoyed the movie and had a blast

Thank you for the video. Not only it is low-key one of the greatest films ever made but also it's a deeply personal story for me, since it's the last movie I've seen with the love of my life before we got separated. I don't know where's God in my story, but I am deeply thankful for this movie and all the memories around it.

My personal favourite movie ever!

I like your style, my dude. And I really enjoyed this film. Wouldn't say it was one of my favourites, but far better than people gave it credit for!

NO ONE TALKS ABOUT THIS MOVIE I LOVE IT SO MUCHHH

Yep, I think I'm gonna rewatch this movie anytime soon.

I may have misinterpreted it but I think Miles was trying to confess because it was friendly fire

Dude you rock!

Watched the movie to see this video and was not dissapointed it was awesome thank you for the recommandation

I kick myself for being unable to watch BTAER in the theater. I had a lot going on at the time with virtually no free time. But as I loved everything I’d seen/heard of the film- I knew I’d buy it on home video [which I did when it released]; and OMG- it’s SO good! 🤗 I was grinning ear-to-ear from start to end. It’s similar to how I felt my first time watching Pulp Fiction- reaffirming my love of cinema; BTAER is such an underrated theatrical masterpiece.

Made it 700 likes. This video and film deserve more views.

Saw a trailer for this movie when I went to see The Predator, immediately wanted to see it but the trailer never showed a date, just said "Coming Soon" and it was never in any cinema around where we live, and me and my mom were really upset when we couldn't watch it.

I'll have to watch it. I like the tone to it. And layers

I loved the movie when I saw it last year. I watched it again today and I loved it even more. Well time to watch the special feautures

Hugely underrated film

I saw it as a metaphor for the Vietnam war, with its spies and rogues and footsoldiers, as well as those who could see that what they were being instructed to do as immoral and yet continued to do them, repent for them, or take advantage of them.

I've seen this movie and this video more times than I can count. This was a movie that has never left my mind since watching it for the first time in 2018. I also still to this very day believe this is Chris Hemsworths best role in film. I think he is a great Thor but this is very different.

Amen! ❤️

Where are the new vids? Is he alive?

I wonder if there's any significance to the type of flowers Billy was walking amongst. It could be a kind of reference to flower power and the flower children. Could also be a reference to rape flowers (another name for canola, a yellow flower grown in fields).

Lol ol’ quoting Steven A. Smith, “quoting” some Spike Lee! Nice!

@dragnfly138

3 жыл бұрын

It’s Malcolm X

I loved this movie . My favorite actor was the guy who played miles

Hey man if you wanna see some steller character development and have like a spare year I recommend campaign one of critical role all of the cha are great but especially percy and scanlan it's a wonderful series made by genius voice actors that really explores characters in detail

@_BirdOfGoodOmen

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine watching people play a tabletop game 🙄

Favorite movie 2018

Astronomically better than knives out Great cast and performances, suspense and even better underlying theme

I saw this movie and loved it.

Nevada is hell (Las Vegas and sin). California is heaven (Hollywood and hope). But the hell is more real than the heaven. Look at which side Mike's dies on. Did you see which side of room Billy is most angry on? OMG so deep.

Me and my friend Watched this on a plane about a year ago and loved it I gotta watch it again tho cus planes aren’t the best for movies

This movie is my 2nd favourite movie of last year.

Would love to hear your thoughts on Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, there are a lot of bizarre similarities between these two movies. I really enjoyed this because it essentially expands on the religious allegory of redemption and the idea of "do you deserve to be redeemed" that Pulp Fiction and OUATIH explore with their characters.

@gabrielespana319

3 жыл бұрын

That’s always such an interesting idea, even when looking at it in the religion itself, in christianity humanity isn’t worthy of redemption and yet its made attainable anyway, that doctrine can lend itself to some interesting storytelling

@scampoli25

3 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielespana319 Well said, I agree. It doesn’t matter if the characters are religious, it’s more about an internal struggle between right and wrong.

Wow!!

Damn what do u know I got a wolverine drawing in my pad to

I LOVE THIS MOVIE!!!! I’m so glad someone talked about it🤣🤣🤣🤣

i want to watch this vid but havent seen this movie yet cuz i forgot cuz marketing musta called in sick. it looked really good so. ill get it

Could even suggest the hotel is the representation of the gates of heaven?

I watched this movie only because of Chris Hemsworth. He played so well that narcisstic maniac, no wonder so many fell for his immense charisma! Very convincing.

The most underrated movie of the 2010's.

I personally interpreted the movie is a way where billy lee was the devil. And the government. Corrupting people and trying to become godlike. I’d also like to point out the angel metaphor you came up with tracks also in the fact that angels in the bible aren’t just watchers and listeners, but gods soldiers also. Would the government in the movie maybe be god then?

Also I believe Goddard concludes that a Priest is not necessary to confess sins to God. Darlene is Lutheran. The Lutheran Church was formed after splitting from the Catholic Church. Darlene understands that Miles just needs to confess. Ok, I'm done.

Fun Fact for those who have come across this video and others like this as many lead the same way in the portion with the fake priest and Miles not having being absolved of his sins. In the Catholic religion it is possible in someone's time of need and emergency ( seen present in the film with Miles ) a person can in fact absolve someone of their sins ( specifically it dictates the person must at least be anointed to be able to provide communion to others yet that is here nor there) The case is, in someone time of dying need and a priest or Holy member cannot be present a follower of the faith can absolve someone of their sins.

Are you familiar with Ryan Hollinger? You two look like you could be cousin. Love your content as well. Great job. Although I will note that the movie doesn't really present a disillusionment with God, more so than a recognition of the fragility of human existence.

why is your voice so satisfying

@RobyFN2169dtf

3 жыл бұрын

And now i'm blushing

I think in a small way he does answer: the only character to ask for guidance instead of pretending to be God or begging for his forgiveness instead of just believing that God forgives and the character who doesn’t try to be a Christ like character and save someone is Darlene. Then the fake Father, whom she for some reason bonds with and trusts because the priest outfit makes people ignore things about them as he foreshadowed. She seems to represent Gods judgement in a way. She witnessed the old man do something selfless and which benefitted him in no way by offering forgiveness to the maintenance worker, which allowed him to die accepting forgiveness. Forgiveness is a two way street, God can offer it, but you have to accept it or else you never truly believe yourself to be forgiven.

Maybe you should get that Billy Lee is God, same punch line that audience is as malicious as cabin in the woods.

Loved this movie. I recognized the questions and themes related to God. I thought that the writer, Goddard, was a lapsed Catholic or was questioning his relationship with God. There is also the politics of the time period. Sullivan's dismissive attitude toward Darlene; was it because of race or gender. He was FBI under racist Hoover. It was not unheard of for the FBI to bug establishments where the politicians and the well known hung out. Hoover watched Bobby Kennedy, he could not stand Kennedy. I believe it was Bobby Kennedy on the tape. I also think that the "management" was the mafia; they were also after Bobby Kennedy. Plus many places in Vegas were owned by the mafia. In the first few minutes clues are given for the entire story. Sullivan's night time prayer foreshadows his death. Nixon talking about Vietnam which happens to be the source of Miles' pain and the story of the murdered doctor and his wife inform us of something foreboding. Both Darlene and Father Flynn are conflicted, one because of abuse the other because of illness. Darlene, who confronts Billy Lee, and Father Flynn, who confronts Billy Lee, both eventually find themselves. Darlene, whom the Father admires, forces Father Flynn into the role of an actual Priest thus giving Miles peace of mind. I believe Goddard is signifying the need to believe in God for peace.

I didn't make it through the entire film. I read a summary of the plot and thanked my lucky stars I had. I am not into fatalism, or nihilism. And by the time I had stopped watching the body count had reached the point that I had nobody to root for. I know. That's a terrible measurement to use for any sort of entertainment. But it is mine. I'm glad you appreciated it. It just wasn't FOR ME. It was FOR YOU.

Emily has a very little patience for Miles' El Royale "Two State"-speech. Maybe something about choosing a side given a strictly binary choice doesn't appeal to her. She then randomly picks a room and writes "fuck you" in the guestbook. Other religious references (probably coincidences though): El is "God" in Hebrew, Royale may be an allusion to Jesus, the "King of Kings" or "King of the Jews". Miles is stabbed in the ribs, like Jesus. The Line dividing the El Royale is made of wood. Miles dies while lying on it.

Who was on the tape? Who was "management"? Who was listening to the guests other than FBI?

@notar2123

4 жыл бұрын

1) It is HIGHLY implied in the movie that John F. Kennedy is on the tape, in almost the same way it was implied in Pulp Fiction that the suitcase contained the holy grail. 3) The one listening to the guests beside FBI was _management_ obviously, duh. 2) _Management_ are a wealthy group of people that blackmail influential people like politicians and businessmen, what more do you need to know?

@GigaChadh976

4 жыл бұрын

Kamiondžija Kl It’s the rothschilds

I love how the title "at The Royale" literally means "the the Royale"

@mrRambleGamble

5 жыл бұрын

OMG so deep

Isn't Goddard writing and directing X-Force? Should be aces

@RobyFN2169dtf

5 жыл бұрын

Yep! Jon Hamm was cast as Mister Sinister in New Mutants but he was cut. Here’s hoping Goddard makes him the villain of X-Force

*Great film analysis. Annoying host*

Who else thinks the person on the tape is JFK? Given the time period (Vietnam war and Richard Nixon being president). And they keep on saying a really IMPORTANT who's dead.

Honestly, I was a bit disappointed in the movie. It has some really, and I mean, really good scenes in it. But the end just ruins it all for me. Now, I loved Billy Lee. He was a great character. Now, did I like him in THIS movie? No. I thought that once he arrived at the El Royale, the tone of the movie shifted vastly. He just didn't fit there. It made the movie into this "spectacle" thriller, that it wasn't. It had so many interesting things in it, but all of that was pushed aside once Billy Lee showed up. Like Roby, I love antagonists like Billy Lee. He made some good points, and while he may fit into the theme of the movie (which by the way, I didn't get while watching the movie. At least the one according to Roby), he just didn't fit the narrative. To me, he felt pointless. He felt like the character writer just put in because he couldn't invent enough interesting things happening in the hotel itself. All the scenes involving the "backroom" with the windows to every room, were amazing. They were easily the best ones in the movie, and the most memorable. The problem is, in the end of the movie, the room doesn't even play the role. The only role it plays is the mcguffin (very Pulp Fiction style, to the point of ad nauseam) as the video tape. Other than that, the most interesting and unique aspect of the movie is not utilized at all in the last hour of the film. Instead, it turns into this weird cult spectacle, while amusing and really entertaining, just did not fit in with the rest of the movie, which was much more interesting and unique. In short, I enjoyed El Roale, but I think it was overlooked for a reason.

Charles Manson and who Brando?

@wildercerrate7295

4 жыл бұрын

Marlon Brando, a legend

Meh. I think this film made exactly as much money as it deserved to. It was way too fucking long... the last act by double.

A priest can’t absolve anyone’s sins, only Jesus Christ has that authority!

8:20 It's not the priest either who has the power to absolve us of sins, it's God's grace in the form of Jesus' sacrifice. Confessions serve the purpose of getting help and guidance, not to be judged. Also, people don't go to hell for sinning; it's for refusing to believe and trust in the Savior God Himself sent to save us.

hated the movie loved your review

I mean no, upgrade was. But ok

Going into this video, I hated this movie. The plot felt contrived and there were way too many things that were set up that amounted to literally nothing, and the conflict resolution (SPOILERS: the bellboy's history as a sniper) came out of left field. But I'm here, with an open mind. Convince me.

@mrRambleGamble

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! The movie rushed and forced a lot of things. Billy Lee's speech was a fine idea but poor execution. It's paint by numbers and obvious.

I was totally with it until we get fully introduced to Chris Hemsworth, then it gets boring, repetitive, and begins to feel its 2 1/2 hour runtime. One of my biggest letdowns last year

@cprw10

5 жыл бұрын

I Love the movie, and I love Chris in that role. Contrary to you I did love the whole third act, it was a game changing moment and the movie just kept moving foward (straight line) when he appeared in it, until near the end with the last flashback from Miles... But you are making a interesting point that I've read from others too. I think Chris was great here and he wasn't the problem, in my humble opinion the problem for what I can see it was because the director decided to introduce Billy Lee too late in the movie and he appeared out of nowhere because he was there just because Rose called him, he wanted to take her back and he also wanted to know if Emily had told anybody about the homicide Rose recently commited. He was so used to toy people, and being the sadistic person he was he saw the opportunity to "play" with the rest of the characters... Billy Lee wasn't a character meant to scare or rather intimidate the audience like a serial killer psychopath, his character (Billy Lee) didn't had to much screen time or backstory in the movie to portray the character in that direction. It was more that he was evil because he had a god complex, he was this charismatic manipulative cult leader, that with his charismatic manipulative personality basically brainwashed his weak minded followers, and they were willing to do anything for him. Anything he told them to do, they were willing to do without hesitation, they were willing to kill for him, like Rose did. (same as Mason's followers or other cult leader's followers).And that of course makes him a dangerous man.. The scene from his backstory, where he's "preaching" to his followers, they showed his character doing something that Manson used to do on his hippie cult with the girls, some of them yeah underage girls and that's one of the creepy aspects of Billy Lee (in real life the actress that played the role of his girlfriend was a bit older than 21 years old but in the movie she looked underage I don't know if that was one of the reason the director chose her, but it could have been)... Billy Lee was multi-layered, he was charming, entertaining, and at times he was downright scary. Besides the reasons I mention above, what also made Billy a scary man it's that he was a "calm" guy on the surface, most of the time, but he did showed some fits of rage on the roulette table and when that happen we were able to see his true personality ... But you have your point of view and opinion and I completely respect that, everybody has diferent tastes😉 ✔English it's not my native tongue, I hope you were able to understand what I wrote, sorry if you didn't 🙈

mediocre movie

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