Putting HP bar on the boss is taking away the sheer horror of said boss. We often put more bullets into tank's body to make sure it's dead

@loosetongue2110

2 жыл бұрын

@@billieeisenhower406 his point still stands

@wynkun6722

2 жыл бұрын

@@billieeisenhower406 there wasn't, but still if you think about it he still has a point

@bryanrocha2035

2 жыл бұрын

@@billieeisenhower406 The tank is a boss...

@thegatesofsleep

2 жыл бұрын

@@billieeisenhower406 the tank was literally the boss in left 4 dead 1 and 2.... everything he said was correct.

@ThatZenoGuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@billieeisenhower406 The Tank is literally the boss-tier enemy of the L4D franchise. Their spawns are completely unique compared to other special infected which all share the slots.

Left 4 Dead 2: has Coach Back 4 Blood: no Coach I think this evidence speaks for itself.

@NazoKira

2 жыл бұрын

Left 4 Dead 2: Has Virgil Back 4 Blood: No Virgil The only reason you should choose L4d2

@blockocraft1920

2 жыл бұрын

Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2: Has Bill Back 4 Blood: No Bill I believe in L4D/L4D2 superiority.

@awantarafly9912

2 жыл бұрын

Left 4 Dead 1&2: has Francis, Louis, Ellis and Nick. Back 4 Blood: no Francis, Louis, Ellis and Nick. Yeah, i'll stick to OG L4D and L4D2.

@toastermaster517

2 жыл бұрын

Left 4 Dead 2: Has Midnight Riders Back 4 Blood: No Midnight Riders Yeah.. I will still play Left 4 Dead 2 til I died.

@minecraftkid50978

2 жыл бұрын

Howdy king

Valve's Developer Commentary modes in their games really show how little other studios care for the stuff they make. Valve is already sharing their winning formula in detail and other devs still won't take the hint

@industriastroll3177

6 ай бұрын

Problem is a lot of other companies are public, so they have to appease to shareholders & deadlines before making a good game. Valve on the other hand is private & Steam is the infinite money maker, and that's why their games can spend years in development hell and they won't bleed a penny.

@vivli

6 ай бұрын

@@industriastroll3177 But that wasn't the case with Half Life 1 for example. They were amateurs then, but already then they had a passion for video games and what makes them good. I suggest you watch the 25th anniversary documentary on Half Life by Valve. It was super interesting!

@MXUKrazyDave

6 ай бұрын

​@@industriastroll3177Add Steam to the equation. They are practically not required to release any games to receive profits. In short, their store already does all the work.

@Aethernium

4 ай бұрын

@@TrentMac There's a difference here. Turtle Rock might've been the studio to create Back 4 Blood, but it lacks the very developers who have love and passion for their development projects. The way I see it, Turtle Rock is a cold husk compared to what it was when they were with Valve.

@newturtle3

4 ай бұрын

​@@industriastroll3177p much Share holders and higher ups Games go from art to soul less business when that happens. Its not about fun but how much $$$$ you can make

What we truly took for granted with L4D is that it can run on almost anything

@newturtle3

4 ай бұрын

True They made the collisions and invisible walls more realistic. You can actually jump a little on the barricaded rubble that block the map. That military truck / jeep at bottom kf stage 1 no mercy hospital apartments you can walk on it.

@ZmaniacSuperRealOmg

3 ай бұрын

The fact that I can run left 4 dead at max settings on an office computer that my father gave me is insane

@kuaraii

3 ай бұрын

@@ZmaniacSuperRealOmgi can run it with reshades and dynamic lighting at 60+ fps on a shitty laptop, its actually wild

@joekenorer

3 ай бұрын

That's Valve magic, back when they used to make games.

@christbenitez8797

2 күн бұрын

My friend jailbreak his V2 Nintendo switch to run left 4 dead and it works with a little sound shuttering but it runs on solid 30 to 45 fps

Blows my mind that game companies have higher budgets than ever and every possible way to monetize a game, but they can't create the fundamentals of what makes great games

@dasho2001

2 жыл бұрын

ikr

@Pennycilin3

2 жыл бұрын

All that money is spent into making the graphics look great.

@monk3110

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pennycilin3 lol ok go watch a movie for that I’m here to PLAY

@SaltyDerps

2 жыл бұрын

Its all about making the most Money with the least Budget/Effort possible Thinking that made me quit learning how to be a Game developer, the industry is full of corporate BS

@kubanjack101

2 жыл бұрын

Because they aren't hiring the talent that used to make games great anymore. They're hiring quotas.

It's kinda funny to me how there are so many small things in L4D that we just sort of take for granted just because it "feels" natural. It's like that quote in Futurama: "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

@amirhb7531

Жыл бұрын

"the best part of a game are the things you dont notice" Like a door not opening towards you

@gilinar

Жыл бұрын

God, that has to be my favorite episode.

@DarrenHoussein

Жыл бұрын

@@gilinar What episode was it?

@gilinar

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrenHoussein I don't remember the exact name, but it's where Bender is shot through space through a missile and then meets God.

@DarrenHoussein

Жыл бұрын

@@gilinar Okay thank you anyway

"From the janitors that worked in the valve office when left 4 dead was made"

@SharkyMcSnarkface

Ай бұрын

Don’t you slander those good janitors

@Gusenichka925

2 күн бұрын

@@SharkyMcSnarkface those janitors are pretty much the only reason tf2 still gets -localization files changes- updates

To the ACTUAL creators of Left 4 Dead, Thank you I still love this game today, thanks for the awesome memories over the years

@billmorgan-wb1uv

7 ай бұрын

I remember being 5 playing Left For Dead and not noticing how good it was.

@ruffusgoodman4137

7 ай бұрын

Last updates were rough on the game, though...

@Quyzbuk86

7 ай бұрын

@@ruffusgoodman4137 It wasn't, it's just a bunch of pearl-clutching hollow whining.

@ruffusgoodman4137

7 ай бұрын

@@Quyzbuk86 You really don't play the game, huh? KZread poser fans be like

@Quyzbuk86

7 ай бұрын

@@ruffusgoodman4137 And there's said pearl clutching, gotta love forced, fake outrage. Oh boo hoo, you can't use taunt or laugh in official versus games now. My heart bleeds for you.

L4D characters: People just trying to survive B4B characters: "Yeah, that's me. You're probably wondering how I got into this situtation"

@internetstealers2731

2 жыл бұрын

I can hear Baba O'Riley already

@DashingSteel

2 жыл бұрын

We need an official term for these types of characters. I swear, those mediocre Mary Sue types are everywhere in modern media.

@internetstealers2731

2 жыл бұрын

@@DashingSteel We do, generic and contrived

@sorinsky5458

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn’t have said it better myself

@zolokiniir2134

2 жыл бұрын

Cringeworthy tumblr level writing 😂

I actually never realized how fluid the zombie animations and movements were in L4D before. Man, we were all really spoiled as kids.

@allemagneproducer

2 жыл бұрын

Its fair, never noticed it either, but considering the few campaigns (i know, its about speed runs and shit) but the details bring at least that sorta fine cut

@dezgasting

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. Genuinely made me realized how smooth, fun and natural L4D2 (and l4d1? haven't played it myself) feels. B4B just feels so artificial and overpolished

@waNErBOY

2 жыл бұрын

@@dezgasting its just because b4b isnt running on source engine. Physics on that engine are out of this world

@Fanible

2 жыл бұрын

It actually looks much better than most other games today. I'm going to assume it's just too complicated a process to replicate. Otherwise I feel like more games really need this level of detail, because despite the outdated graphic engine, the zombie movement/animations look absolutely amazing even by today's standards.

@DML_73

2 жыл бұрын

talk for yourself, kid. I always liked the animations, shadows, storyline and characters (they felt so real when i was younger). So nope, not all of us were "spoiled". Sometimes i've just damaged lone zombies in a different parts with a diffetern weapon, because it was really unusual to see so many different reactions.

Took me over a decade to really realize just how ahead of its time L4D2 really was

@MXUKrazyDave

6 ай бұрын

And how well it aged in every way. It is still very enjoyable even for those who return to play a few games after hundreds (or thousands) of hours played, and for those who haven't played it yet, it becomes a pleasant surprise (for a game that's more than 10 years old).

@jimmyplayz6341

5 ай бұрын

@@MXUKrazyDaveNot only has the game aged well, but like the dude said, this game is so far ahead of its time. This game is absolutely amazing looking, and it was made in *2009.*

@antt2228

5 ай бұрын

​@@jimmyplayz6341valve always seems to future-proof their graphics. Portal 2 still looks like a modern release and it's over ten years old. Even half-life 2 (original release) looks alright, despite being nearly twenty years old.

@MichiFormal

4 ай бұрын

No, te equivocas, no creo que adelantado a su tiempo, solo que esta industria se ha estancado en la mediocridad con tanto juego sin alma.

@CookedOnions

4 ай бұрын

@@antt2228 Dude don't tell me half life 2 is nearly 20 years old lol that is making me feel old as fuck

i honestly had to fight so many eyerolls at b4b's characters, they all just seem like the same cookie-cutter "confident wise-cracking everyman" without expanding on that at all. also they literally dropped a "yep, that's me" i dont think i need to elaborate on that

@grinningtiki220

7 ай бұрын

The only character that got close to kinda interesting was the fat white dude. I have over 80 hours and still can't remember his name and I mained him, lol. Goes to prove the point of how terrible the writing was. They spread all the personality across to many characters.

@sludgechan

4 ай бұрын

so true kara hitsujigoods

@Cowpowblaow

3 ай бұрын

*Tim Allen Grunt* Yeeaup, that's me! B4b is so unlikeable its insane lol

@necromech_

Ай бұрын

everything has to be Marvel now. it's depressing

@eriknorman1690

18 күн бұрын

everyone in b4b is a wisecracking marvel jokester

Imagine trying to remake and replace a game so bad that it revives the player base of the game you were trying to replace.

@deceaseda7x22

2 жыл бұрын

That’s the thing though, the l4d player base never died LOL maybe what a few hundred people who replayed again but L4d is timeless, one of the best and funnest games ever made.

@hostileenvironment6107

2 жыл бұрын

@@deceaseda7x22 ^^^Really though its all good though, sure some modder with no pay with come up with something better.

@murkser4149

2 жыл бұрын

Basically the Battlefield franchise at this point.

@antimatter3084

2 жыл бұрын

@@deceaseda7x22 Yeah, Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 are timeless and has amazing mod support, trying to capitalize on the fame of one of the greatest games of all time while making a product like Back 4 Blood is embarrassing.

@winlover37

2 жыл бұрын

@@murkser4149 Too true man. My boys and I are finally reinstalling BF4, for years we didn't think we'd have to go back to it after playing it non-stop for years. DICE lost their way.

The best thing that Back for Blood accomplished was making people realize how good Left 4 Dead really was

@leonardolejarde467

2 жыл бұрын

Oooof

@juliusemarcsamaniego6307

2 жыл бұрын

BRUH LMAO TRUE!!

@BOXER53

2 жыл бұрын

I agree

@Goofygooberston

2 жыл бұрын

Was? You mean *is*?

@BOXER53

2 жыл бұрын

@@Goofygooberston you're right

This wasn't a takedown ... it was a surgical fucking autopsy. Bravo. You could have done a lengthy video essay, but instead you just juxtaposed footage and let it speak for itself with the actual creators commentary. This must have taken ages to get something like this so polished!

That death animation at 3:06 is crazy. The zombie is reacting to gunshots during his dying animation, so is that the physics engine reacting to the gunshots during an animation or is there just extra flinching animations during the death if you shoot them? You don't even see that in many games nowadays

@icespeaker81

8 ай бұрын

Too much effort, too little time due to publishers

@AceofSpades-zi6zx

5 ай бұрын

the devs get pressured due to time constraints that prevent them from making a masterpiece, because investors just want the money now, now, now, ect.

@CirqueAlvis

4 ай бұрын

The physics engine in some way, they might've made it for the engine to actively stitch-on/interpolate different mocapped flinch animations when it's still in the "about to die" phase and is being shot at. Pretty crazy, especially if you add on the fact that the game was released in 2008 And yep, modern games just resort to "thing's dead, okay, just instantly ragdoll 'em, no one's gonna notice."

@ErniLandia

4 ай бұрын

To add on that, if you want to make sure the infected is dead, it forces you to shoot at the head

@jamsywastaken

22 күн бұрын

​@@CirqueAlvistbf every other source game does that

That ending credit scene has me in absolute shock jeez

@zangana3052

2 жыл бұрын

His edits on that part is just perfect, sad to see but, it is what it is.

@jojocat9801

2 жыл бұрын

Yep

@thefisherman6577

2 жыл бұрын

Do the same thing with credits for other companies' newer games that claim to be from the "save good old devs" trying to resurrect the "good old franchise" (Blizzard is a good example) to instantly die from a heart attack. This method of false advertisement is used really often by now corporate money sucking companies (Once again, like Blizzard).

@mhz163

2 жыл бұрын

I still don't understand why they fight over the developers.

@goodbyeyoutubegrandpahasha1542

2 жыл бұрын

Chronicling

Damn, I miss the days when psychologists were hired to suggest how the game could be more engaging and repayable rather than suggesting how to manipulate players into spending copious amounts of cash post entry

@yusokrazee

2 жыл бұрын

Sigh...

@nikolababic4783

2 жыл бұрын

Im a psychology student and I would really like to know more about how old game developers used psychologists. Do you know where I can get more info?

@user-nd1km9bc6j

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikolababic4783 theres a reason why we have google yknow

@lolz1rewzgwer

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikolababic4783 Maybe talks at gdc, a recent game that the devs worked with psychologists is hellblade senua's sacrifice, there is a 20min video on youtube. There are probably studies about that too I would guess.

@cloroxbleach9222

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-nd1km9bc6jbro what you just said is like telling a dude at a library to go to the library when he asked where to find a specific book

You know its bad when half life 1, a game from 1998, has a better facial system than your game from 2021.

@NoobPrime69

5 ай бұрын

Is impressive than most of the games of the last years have worst AI than a game of 1998

@kR-qj7rw

4 ай бұрын

You know that old quote that goes somewhat like : unfortunately "revolutionary" for games is just catching up to what valve was doing a decade ago That quote is like a decade old on its own now lol

@NoobPrime69

4 ай бұрын

@@kR-qj7rw yeah, literally another games like Half life, 26 years old and that game had better standards that most of the newest games of this years, is like saying that a 2003 movie have better CGI than a 2023 movie, sadly that's also happens

@anotherone3815

4 ай бұрын

i first played half life this year and i was surprised that AT THE START OF THE GAME i could already do more stuff than most new games today@@kR-qj7rw

@imadudewithissues

4 ай бұрын

The fact that even expertmode is actually fun instead of doing frustrating

L4d2 is a masterpiece simply for these reasons man, I can remember how often I’d simply just be enamored with different animations, world building and gore effects. Also so cringe how even I bought into the whole “omg creators of l4d are making a zombie game”

@MXUKrazyDave

6 ай бұрын

Not long ago I changed some game defaults in order to have better gaming performance (according to external suggestions). But I realized that there is nothing better for the game itself than the viceral and violent factor, so I proceeded to return the values ​​to how they were.

@thecipher8495

5 ай бұрын

Same here, I was excited because it's the 'spiritual successor of l4d2', and damn am I so wrong to be.

Now I just want to play a bunch of Left 4 Dead 2 again.

@dunf

2 жыл бұрын

Do it, you won't regret it

@yomokha7676

2 жыл бұрын

Still got a thriving community here :)

@EQOAnostalgia

2 жыл бұрын

I just said that out loud to myself lol.

@oliverjackson5973

2 жыл бұрын

Post more halo montages

@austinmontenegro976

2 жыл бұрын

Right.

Even though the running joke is that valve can’t count to 3, they literally will not ship an unfinished game. They want every product to be a labor of love

@Oreoezi

2 жыл бұрын

What about artifact?

@pob_42

2 жыл бұрын

@@Oreoezi The money spoke for them once on that one. I doubt they'll ever let it speak again.

@jeroennickman

2 жыл бұрын

@@Oreoezi Artifact is an incredible card game, very well designed and highly complex. It was just out of touch with the market.

@flaggy185

2 жыл бұрын

Man, their games last for a lot of years I mean, look at Left 4 dead 2 and Team Fortress 2, a lot people play both of them today, they are almost inmortal, even without important updates (mostly in TF2) Man, they deliver quality, yeah, they have their ups and downs, but they will give quality, fun, great ideas, and not, NOT EVEN ONE, unfinished product, no matter what other people think Valve wants well earned money, no copy- paste a game to charge more money, demostrating it by releasing Left 4 dead 2 a year after the first one Yes, im looking to you, Copy Paste Duty Vanguard

@hafirenggayuda

2 жыл бұрын

I used to think Rockstar got the same principle. Theeen....remaster controversies happen. Even if the remaster was good, they still put crackdown on the mod community. I hope Crowbcat delivers that too on next video

The one thing I absolutely love about this video is the fact you don't have to speak at all, the dev commentary is just there to show the dedication, you could watch this video muted and still get it.

I think the statement "We used to make games, now we make money" is becoming true for a lot of AAA studios out there.

@steventechno

2 жыл бұрын

It’s *been* that way for at least a decade at this point. EA reusing Madden, The Sims and it’s excessive amount of DLC, Full Price games with Loot Boxes and MTx, GTAV getting 3 PlayStations & XBoxes, the list goes on.

@MladenMijatov

2 жыл бұрын

This sort of applies to Valve as well, but to be honest most of their stuff when released is freaking awesome. I didn't play HL:Alyx because I couldn't justify burning so much money on VR and computer upgrade which I won't use as much since am not into gaming a lot. But I do own every other Valve game, with exception of Artifact, they pulled that one. People keep calling them out on never being able to count to 3 and stuff, but I'd rather wait for them to release it when it's ready rather than shitting it out in unfinished state just to grab money.

@niggacockball7995

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bruh-ok1rq its a shame they are probally never going to make a game like deus ex hr

@0Blueaura

2 жыл бұрын

@@MladenMijatov buy quest 2 for 300 dollars. lots of internal games, pc games compatibility, can work alone on its own. you will enjoy it trust me. if you dont mind making facebook account though

@Manny-qe8rk

2 жыл бұрын

Hideo Kojima still bae tho

Imagine having worse physics and AI design than a game that was crafted in 2009. This game is the definition of "how dare you stand where he once stood"

@AndroSpud

2 жыл бұрын

*cough* Bf2042

@BloodmoonPyke

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine still wondering about how games getting worse at this point. Welcome to the gaming industry 2021/22. Downgrade. Filled to the brim with bugs. Overpriced.

@favor8264

2 жыл бұрын

Source its still the king!

@strling111

2 жыл бұрын

Tony Stark built this in a cave! With a box of scraps!

@ThunderingRoar

2 жыл бұрын

Even Sekiro has dogshit stealth/AI and it was GoTY 2019. Patrolling enemies literally walk over their dead allies (that you just killed) without getting alerted. Half life had better ai 2 decades ago than modern GoTY titles

by not allowing the Moding of B4B they essentially killed it from day one.

@imsentinelprime9279

5 ай бұрын

They really shot themselves in the foot, with b4b. It's a damn shame

@ricardohoang8452

2 ай бұрын

@@imsentinelprime9279 Turtle Rock is China like Epic now sadly

Honestly to this day the death animations for the common infected still blow my mind. I will sometimes empty an entire clip shooting one infected because with the way it stumbles after getting shot I never know if it's still gonna live or not which just ads to the intensity of it all.

This might be the most brutal critique of a game I've ever seen, and all done by letting the gameplay speak for itself.

@SrGreen02

2 жыл бұрын

Have you seen Crowbcat's cyberpunk video?

@MildManneredBen

2 жыл бұрын

@@SrGreen02 I haven't! Only just discovered this video in fact.

@ellusiv5121

2 жыл бұрын

New to Crowbcat aren't you. Honestly, I'm impressed with how he makes gaming documentaries by editing alone.

@plotfilol

2 жыл бұрын

@@MildManneredBen Oh well you’re in for a ride :)

@CEOofCTOs

2 жыл бұрын

The gameplay has spoken!

Current Player Populations (Steam) Back 4 Blood: 2,465 Left 4 Dead 2: 13,329 Looks like zombies aren't the only thing dead in Back 4 Blood.

@kiririn7780

2 жыл бұрын

For real?? 2,465 players? Lmao

@funnykid7404

2 жыл бұрын

2465 for one of the most waited 2021 games

@Redtortise-vf9xu

2 жыл бұрын

what about the original l4d so its a tiny bit more fair

@kienton2661

2 жыл бұрын

@@Redtortise-vf9xu since you can play L4D1 campaign in L4D2 i think most player will just play L4D2 because there are more contents, also L4D2 have steam workshop.

@staringcorgi6475

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t fall for the hype you guys always do this I hope you learned your lesson

That last scene of swapping the L4D name from the description and replacing it with "Evolve" is basically all that anyone needs to know :D

I’m so happy I got to experience L4D before gaming got worse. Let’s not forget when you bought L4D you got 100% of the game. No paid DLC, skins, loot boxes or season passes.

@ruffusgoodman4137

7 ай бұрын

And here I'm thinking "Should I tell him about The Passing and The Sacrifice?" "Nah, leave him ignorant about those"

@wigglesbee

6 ай бұрын

you didnt buy those unless it was on xbox @@ruffusgoodman4137

@moo.moo91

6 ай бұрын

​​@@ruffusgoodman4137those are free on PC so it doesn't count since Xbox L4D is more than dead now

@FoxiteClipChannel

6 ай бұрын

yeah these were free DLCs for the PC game, the only reason they cost money on xbox is because of Microsoft, they did not allow valve to release them free there.@@ruffusgoodman4137

@CadgerChristmasLightShow

6 ай бұрын

Left 4 dead 1 and 2 both had optional DLC campaigns you could buy. I would know, I bought all of them lol. They weren't very pricey at all though and of course well worth the money for the hundreds of times you'll play each campaign.

13:50 "We base the music on what the player is actually experiencing and not on what we want them to experience" is such a good game design quote, I love it.

@billyshorts371

2 жыл бұрын

Music design in games are so underappreciated, ambiance being the most important. SH2 would be nothing without the music and ambiance

@DustyyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

its kind of fascinating how left 4 dead and minecraft went the exact opposite direction in terms of the triggers and choice of music cues, yet both are acclaimed for doing it incredibly well their own way

@itsCbomb

2 жыл бұрын

Back 4 Blood got me experiencin beeps and boops like mr krabs

@ColdRampager

2 жыл бұрын

@@itsCbomb B4B has no recognizable music, yet anyone who has played L4D recognizes the Witch theme immediately

@TheRezolootion

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColdRampager doo du dodoo du du doo doooo...

The strength of this channel is that it doesn't even need commentary, the footage speaks for itself and the developer commentary is just the cherry on top.

@serkanMKose

2 жыл бұрын

Narrative editing skill 100/100

@Celestialbeing21

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, because people don't understand the difference between complaining and constructive criticism.

@darkl3ad3r

2 жыл бұрын

That's what makes it so stand-out and unique. While all the other channels are just a bunch of talking heads spouting their opinion, Crowbcat shows the world the truth with real footage. He does his homework and compiles it all in an educational and simultaneously funny presentation. I love this guy, I really do. He's the hero the gaming world needs today.

@Halagini

2 жыл бұрын

Video gaming has become so corrupted, soulless, and generally terrible that all you need to do is show people factual information or footage to prove it how awful it is. Same goes for the society we live in now.

@lsebastian9086

2 жыл бұрын

Show, don't tell That is how i feel Crowbcat operates and i have to admit, it takes legitimate skills to be able to deliver the needed brutal honesty and criticism without anything else other than the actions themselves.

the airplane crash from 2007 still looks absolutely amazing, not many scenes after that can reach that

The amount of creativity in designing older games was insane...

@eriknorman1690

18 күн бұрын

Back when they made a game first and a product second now its the other way around

I don't really care about Back 4 Blood, but this made me realize just how much of a masterpiece Left 4 Dead is. It's even more impressive when you find out that it was released over 13 years ago.

@blackrose2647

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more. Btw, didn't except to see you here Dante! Hope you're doing well man. Can't wait for your next vid lol.

@moo.moo91

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, this video made me want to play Left 4 Dead again

@sinisterpanda2738

2 жыл бұрын

Really makes one wants to play L4D again..

@gabrielchavezmusic4973

2 жыл бұрын

I play left 4 dead almost every day. And now my Lil brother plays with me, so it's even more fun.

@nguyenbaohuy8638

2 жыл бұрын

older games seem like the was made with love. now just rush straight to the money

Before, we played old games to feel nostalgia. Now, we play them because they are just better.

@justacatwithghostlygibus9823

Жыл бұрын

Superior, from a different timeline.

@sirrivle1635

Жыл бұрын

It's truly sad

@D0NU75

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention old games came as complete experiences, now you are sold scaffolding and the rest of it costs you triple the price of an old game. Whoever says "it's to support developers" it is not, I know no developer ever becoming wealthy out of microtransactions, only publishers do.

@stefanvilhan-pg4rf

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@GorGob

Жыл бұрын

True last progression was when 360 and ps3 hit with hdmi after that it's been complete copy paste games. Retro arcade games and chain smoking is the best.

as soon as they said "contained game files" I knew its replay ability and life span overall would be shot

@azzy9293

7 ай бұрын

Seriously. Why even make a L4D inspired game if you aren't going to stay true to what made it so great

@_fawkes

5 ай бұрын

@@azzy9293 Cashing in on the brand name, which isn't even their IP to begin with.

Just one of the things I loved about Left 4 Dead. You can feel the stopping power slowing the infected to a halt when you shoot them. It's also baffling how much life (or lack thereof) was put into the Left 4 Dead Infected; How much blood covers their clothing, how emotional the infected faces are, in their body language, hell, even down to the hordes' mosh pit style behavior...

The ending showing just how many of the people behind Left 4 Dead were from Valve, and how little went on to Turtle Rock is jaw dropping. Great work as always Crowbcat.

@madster01

2 жыл бұрын

People in comments be screaming how Valve was only the publisher, or only a supporting muscle in creation of L4D, which is not ... very true

@ChubiceOfChunckle20

2 жыл бұрын

Sad that valve will never release l4d3

@JagerFrostTroll

2 жыл бұрын

False advertising and idiot consumers is the only reason why the gaming industry hasn't crashed yet, along with anti-consumer practices like pre-order bonuses and microtransactions. The industry should have crashed over a decade ago.

@RPD___

2 жыл бұрын

Man took the words out of my mouth.

@Deid

2 жыл бұрын

@@JagerFrostTroll sadly consoomers outnumber everyone else by a large amount and with more and more airheads getting into gaming every year that number will only grow. as long as people dont give enough of a shit about their own money to not quite literally let someone legally steal it from them it will never ever crash.

The character comparison part was heartbreaking. So much effort went into making the survivors of l4d and l4d2 into human beings and b4b can only produce the most generic smarmy marketable non people I've ever seen and heard in my life

@Xenunnaki

2 жыл бұрын

They feel like NPCs from Sunset Overdrive

@David-fx1eq

2 жыл бұрын

@@Xenunnaki except sunset did it on purpose

@destubae3271

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, b4b characters feel like corporate pandering. Nothing really memorable except the negative aspects. That one tuff girl that constantly spams "oh, so I'm to blame?" after friendly fire makes me want to team kill her immediately

@th0uxan

2 жыл бұрын

It’s just so uninteresting and booring, no character or color to the characters at all.

@ColaEuphoria

2 жыл бұрын

The characters in B4B are like a Flanderized ripoff of Kickass or Suicide Squad. Just painfully cringy "fuck you we got this lol" bullshit.

every new game kinda feels like the grey burgers from spongebob

@jendouglas9781

3 ай бұрын

You mean the synthetic patty?

@necktwister666

3 ай бұрын

@@jendouglas9781yes

This discussion proves that a good looking game has nothing to do with how many thousands of polygons or lighting arrays. Graphics have a say, sure, but artstyle does too.

@_dibbs

2 ай бұрын

art direction over graphics every single time and if you think otherwise you are probably young or a casual dad gamer with kids in his late 30s

The ending was done so well. The last 5 seconds alone tell you all you need to know about this game.

@aliupsr

2 жыл бұрын

The debunking of “the creators of Left4Dead” selling point was also huge. Back4blood really used that tagline as a crutch in their PR moves. Fooled people into trusting that the game was in good hands. People who are now questioning the drop in quality and not being able to pinpoint it.

@sanderzphillips

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't even have to look at direct gameplay to realize it wasn't gonna be good. The trailers themselves were obvious, and awful. Just another studio shamelessly relying on a now very ancient success. I always hated that shit.

@reaperz5677

2 жыл бұрын

I was about to complain that that's illogical, NOTHING can explain everything in 5 seconds, not even Crowbcat. Then I saw the ending and I completely changed my mind. Lol.

@nguyenquyetthang1326

2 жыл бұрын

@@sanderzphillipsand solidify that Valve had a lot to do with L4D's success

@aaronkatzke7320

2 жыл бұрын

This is why its dangerous to focus on studios and not the talent who made the games. Studios don't make games, artists do.

Unfortunately, this isn't just a problem for Turtle Rock. This is an example that very accurately demonstrates the shift in the industry as a whole.

@Stigmaphobia777

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently unless you're Nintendo.

@DemodiX

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stigmaphobia777 dunno, i can't wrap my mind around the idea of playing mario for 30 years.

@Bacony_Cakes

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Stigmaphobia777 Nintendo still thinks a kid in a basement making sprite mods for Mario Bros. will crash the video game industry.

@Stigmaphobia777

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bacony_Cakes The point is they still give a shit about polish, don't chase graphical fidelity at the expense of everything else, and do their own thing-for better or worse. Not that I endorse everything the company does forever, or even play most of what they put out.

@Bacony_Cakes

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stigmaphobia777 I'm just saying that Nintendo should be less murderous when it comes to fan content.

One really minor thing about L4D i just thought of was that i never had a favorite character. Everytime i loaded into the game no matter what character i was i was always excited. They all have such fun and unique personalities that make them all fun to play.

@SomeOne-vf1rs

7 ай бұрын

Except people don’t really like rochelle, unless you specifically just mean L4D 1. I like every character, and rochelle isn’t anything special but she’s not a bad character. Maybe that’s why they don’t like her, because the rest of the characters *do* feel like something special.

@johnnodwarf1201

5 ай бұрын

@@SomeOne-vf1rs rochelle is a fine character and ill always be down to play her, but she's just outshined by the other three of L4D2

@jasminericenic

5 ай бұрын

@@johnnodwarf1201 she was actually originally going to be much different, but the devs removed a lot of her voicelines and personality last minute :/

@k-ondoomer

5 ай бұрын

grabbin pills

@train_go_boom2065

5 ай бұрын

​@@jasminericenicbut returned for tls update and now she feels like a real human being

I really appreciate how this video just lets the devs of L4D and the games speak for themselves.

good lord the zoey face animation at 17:53 paired with the scream portrays such genuine terror its uncanny

I wish more games had the developer commentary that a lot of Valve games have. They provide a fantastic look into what the developers had in mind when they were making their games.

@MyHeadHz

2 жыл бұрын

Same tbh

@moonmanwun

2 жыл бұрын

There’s a fantastic game called gunpoint that has this if you’d be interested in checking it out. It is dlc though.

@cajunboy67

2 жыл бұрын

How many developers have the kind of thoughtfulness and commitment to quality that Valve does?

@lilith.xoxoxo

2 жыл бұрын

@@cajunboy67 probably a lot, you just cant see it because they dont have development comentaries

@kentstopme

2 жыл бұрын

Cry of fear also had those dev cpmmentary and mind you they were pretty good and not just slapped there because

I think the big difference between the 2 games is that L4D *FEELS* like a zombie infection takeover while B4B feels like a lifeless COD mod

@bananabreadguy7960

10 ай бұрын

Haha I can see that

@m.n.s.s2825

9 ай бұрын

Unreal engine sux

@kelly4187

8 ай бұрын

There are literal mods made for half life 1, a decade or more before B4B, that had more life and energy than B4B.

@ekris5072

8 ай бұрын

L4D has that certain vibe to it which many other valve games at that time had which was completely lost in B4B

@OgSuda

7 ай бұрын

@@m.n.s.s2825 It does not at all, the developers suck.

L4D 1 and 2 could be the curriculum in a masterclass on game design. It's actually hard to believe how simple and elegant they were, looking at them from a modern perspective. AAA mutliplayer games with no costmetics, loot boxes, microtransactions, crafting, levelling or perk unlocking. No treadmills of any kind to artificially extend playtime - just extremely well-designed, fun-as-hell gameplay. Created by devs who carefully considered every aspect, right down to the tiny details. I've always wished for a game to recapture a similar feeling to the many hours I spent playing them, and have never found one.

@ErniLandia

4 ай бұрын

And to think that down the hood they are empowered half life 2 mods lol

left 4 dead gives me the “oh man that thing is coming at me” vibe while back for blood is just “thats a thing i gotta press my button on”

This demonstrates how you can take so much detailing and polish for granted in the moment but you notice immediately when it's no longer present.

@Upsetkiller456

2 жыл бұрын

Details are what makes a good game great

@yongyea4147

2 жыл бұрын

Only Crowbat noticed.

@folx2733

2 жыл бұрын

@@yongyea4147 Nah as a Left 4 Dead fan it was blatantly obvious that special infected have missing cues, there's no music, and the AI director is just constantly spawning zombies around you without any valleys in the action, same thing with every single level being boring. I guess designing organically progressing linear environments is much harder than just funneling players through couple feet wide corridors. It's almost like you need actual talent to make a fun game, not just the "original creator's" idea. I deleted the beta of Back 4 Blood and never looked back. It's mindbending that 10 years later they made a WORSE, more generic zombie shooter

@demonsluger

2 жыл бұрын

@@folx2733 " It's mindbending that 10 years later they made a WORSE," game i think this is the story of most games coming out now.

@uccidere1939

2 жыл бұрын

@@yongyea4147 No, the violence, characters, music, refined gameplay, and stellar visual effects are hardly thing you don't notice go missing. And all of that IS MISSING in Back 4 Blood.

This actually makes me so sad man. Can't believe we got to the point where 10 year old games have more features than new ones.

@WelcometotheNHK.

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah its all about cash grabs mostly now devs don't really care what they put out apart from a few rare ones

@JerkyJones100

2 жыл бұрын

It makes me mad actually. The gaming industry has been corrupted from the inside out.

@Skitz0frenix

2 жыл бұрын

It was already like this when GTA V came out. Crowbcat even did a comparison between IV and V where IV had more detail and thought in it than V

@philiplorio9820

2 жыл бұрын

@@WelcometotheNHK. look at Halo infinite, it's lazy.

@manzanito3652

2 жыл бұрын

@Diru Dozur I mean, if you think inclusion is the problem, your probably are racist.

gave B4B a hell of a try, for almost a full year its pretty much all I played... but you know what happened. I Started playing L4D2 again and havent stopped... There is no comparison when it comes to Replay L4D2 is a Juggernaut even after 10+ years.

@AceofSpades-zi6zx

5 ай бұрын

I also gave b4b a 4th try yesterday, but I got bored of it, and rather frustrated from it, because stuff like trauma and the continue system limit creativity and fun with the game.

@jayh5840

3 ай бұрын

I've been trying and it's o.k. but I'm unable to get past a part in the abomination fight without someone else because the bots don't shoot at the objective only at infected. Still absolute garbage compared to L4D and there's way too much extra junk with all the supply lines and cards.

@regalt1987

3 ай бұрын

it started getting to the point where there were no players and I was waiting forever for a game to start. @@jayh5840

I remember my first time through the airport getting outside and the plane crashed. Louis, Bill, Francis and Zoey, in unison, yelled "HOLY SHIT!" I have never been able to replicate that experience. They have never done it again. It was and is magical the way this game is designed to feel so infinitely replayable.

@newturtle3

4 ай бұрын

Closest is in l4d2 when you do the concert finale in dark carnival imo

@Someone23678

2 ай бұрын

​@@newturtle3don't forget you can walk coach to the mic and make him sang some bits

Remember kids, studios don't make games, talented people do. This video made me appreciate L4D even more, and I did not think that was possible.

@Deoxys_Used_Mimic

2 жыл бұрын

BioWare and Square taught me that lesson.

@Grandmaster-Kush

2 жыл бұрын

CDPR still #1 example

@BackSlashJvb125

2 жыл бұрын

tbh it is the same talented people, i guess they didnt put much of their talent on this one tho

@GREY-te1vm

2 жыл бұрын

I'm going to make a backup of that first sentence. Couldn't have been said better.

@SenseiMasterShikikan-sama

2 жыл бұрын

12 years in, me and the bois still opting for L4D2 during game nights

I only realized this just now but at 0:30, Francis tries to shove the hunter when he wakes up out of pure instinct. That's some attention to detail from the animator.

@ammagon4519

2 жыл бұрын

Lucky, you got hearted by a guy that barely even talks lol.

@Left4Coochie

2 жыл бұрын

yeah you can definitely hear the shoving sound

@medalex195322

2 жыл бұрын

An attention to detail that would make Valve proud, unlike with B4B.

@PootisPlayer

2 жыл бұрын

deadstopping hunters has always been fucking awesome

@liquidchris4147

2 жыл бұрын

insane detail

This video right here NEEDS to be required viewing for all kinds of game development schooling. This is an absolute must watch.

This is the example of the true example of when people say old games don't hold up because of graphics, they're dead, wrong. Old games don't hold up because of their mechanics and their stiffness in their controls but left for dead. For example, in 2008 the animations, the controls the smoothness of the game play, the smoothness of the healing the smoothness of the teen controls the residual generation of objects and other things. And then the realistic ragdoll facts mixed with animations makes the game in presentation still hold up graphically because everything looks good, feels good, so then like, yeah, the textures aren't the best, but there's still 2008 source 2 engine textures, it holds up because everything else holds up. It's be like saying borderlands doesn't hold up when it does because it's controls, it's.

@anthonymorris9794

8 ай бұрын

I agree but I will add I can’t play borderlands 2 anymore because 3 is soooo smooth. Not that borderlands 2 isn’t smooth anymore it’s just 3 got it so fucking good I can’t go back

@angeemmanuelassassindri8090

4 ай бұрын

Here is me still playing Fallout New Vegas, GTA San Andreas and trying Fallout 1 on my phone. Games made with heart are treasure. Bland game money grabber are tasteless.

I didn’t realize how big of a deal the breakable objects are, it really adds to the realism and it doesn’t feel right to shoot at a tv and it doesn’t break

@FluffyDragon

2 жыл бұрын

This whole video is full of stuff that make you realise you never fully appreciated til it's pointed out and compared to a much worse game The fact it all just works so seamlessly and flawlessly means you don't even *notice* it, most of the time

@rioppp7855

2 жыл бұрын

i play video games for the breakable objects desu

@obligatorylynx308

2 жыл бұрын

I dont hate Back4Blood but I was very disappointed in it. Because of all the reasons in this video. How a game from a decade ago can out class a new game like Back4blood in almost EVERY way is baffling. Watching this just drives it home even harder. Its very frustrating watching game companies go down the drain. Its pathetic how Indie games out class most triple A games.

@sand451

2 жыл бұрын

@@obligatorylynx308 And it's not like they didn't have the time....

@breakerboy365

2 жыл бұрын

B4B does have breakable objects, crowbcat just showed all the non breakable ones

When Crowbcat comes out of hiding, it means that someone somewhere must have fucked something up.

@shauncordier1264

2 жыл бұрын

The Vidja Vigilante puts on the suit once again.

@youtindia

2 жыл бұрын

He is taking his sweet time making a video for GTA Trilogy "Definitive" edition.

@MrSolidBlakeGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Still waiting on rust “CoNsOlE eDiTiOn” or GTA trilogy

@babywaffles69

2 жыл бұрын

“Back 4 Blood”

@EvilPhoenix007

2 жыл бұрын

@@youtindia I'm patiently waiting for his Halo Infinite one.

What I like about this channel is that he isn’t a total negative guy. He loves the show how brilliant and well-designed these games games used to be

Not sure if anybody has already pointed it out but I like how in the beginning animation Francis, after getting spooked by B4B’s equivalent of a Hunter, he does a shove move as if he was trying to counter a Hunter’s pounce before falling to the floor. It even looks like he was doing so as if holding a two handed gun such as his preferred shotgun.

The fact they literally said that they won't allow mods for B4B and never will in the future is enough to convince me that the game is gonna go straight to the trash bin.

@impartialknockback

Жыл бұрын

I mean, I was convinced when the actively nerfed the speed perks in order to force the speedrunners to play the game in only the way they intended.

@Gr00t

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanhendricks1027 just force crossplay off if any mods are installed?

@Gr00t

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanhendricks1027 not that I can think of off the top of my head, just thought it was an obvious solution.

@Gr00t

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanhendricks1027 Microsoft does it fine with mcc actually, seperate launch option in steam for mod support.

@LuvzToLol21

Жыл бұрын

23:22 even the reporter couldn't help laughing when they said B4B will have no modding support

My favorite thing about these videos is when it shows the empty, corporatized hype at game shows/reveals, and cuts right to janky, soulless gameplay. It's the same punchline everytime, but it never fails to entertain.

@kasket007vod4

2 жыл бұрын

B-b-bro we have... Oh my god we have the same... 😳

@drkriegkorps294

2 жыл бұрын

@@kasket007vod4 brøther

@Tubleorne

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly the best part about these videos. Sure someone can sit down and have a huge rant/essay/review about why something is bad, but humans tend to be emotional, opinionated and biased. This type of video "commentary "is just clips side by side. Let the game and the devs and marketings own words speak for themselves. Quite the sobering experience.

@AImighty_Loaf

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrLachapell literally Disney

@frederickpeebles8142

2 жыл бұрын

At this point, it doesn't entertain. It simply depresses.

This just helps to show just how timeless L4D and L4D2 are, it’s genuinely sad that nothing has been able to replicate the experience that they have

@Harry-et7dc

3 ай бұрын

BO III zombies is pretty good

“Bring it up to modern standards with modern graphics and technology.” I assure you. L4D1/L4D2’s graphics were either way ahead of their time or B4B’s definition of modern graphic is just fortnite.

@VanessaMagick

Ай бұрын

L4D graphics are fairly mediocre for a AAA company. The Source engine was showing its age and it didn't really hold up graphically. Almost nobody actually thinks this, though, because L4D and L4D2 had fantastic visual design and a whole lot of thought was put into both the assets and presentation. And THAT matters more than graphical fidelity. People usually don't care if textures are low resolution, or models are low poly, because that's only one part of what makes a game look GOOD.

@carinhatube3727

26 күн бұрын

​​@@VanessaMagick *Bro really called Source engine mediocre and said it did not aged well.*

@VanessaMagick

21 күн бұрын

@@carinhatube3727 Only in terms of graphic fidelity and nothing else. I realize getting through two whole paragraphs is hard so I won't blame you for not reading the second one but come on, I made it clear in the first sentence.

@carinhatube3727

20 күн бұрын

@@VanessaMagick I actually read it all. But, I misinterpreted. I'm sorry, you're right.

L4D truly is a masterpiece that holds up incredibly well even now

@neonkapawn

2 жыл бұрын

Yoo Tetra!

@keterpatrol7527

2 жыл бұрын

YOOOOOO ITS THE (will think of funny and creative title later, too tired)

@luckymstr5614

2 жыл бұрын

hi

@Gambit2483

2 жыл бұрын

Welp...

@thedatathief4313

2 жыл бұрын

As a kid now teenager I never played left for dead because I only had a PlayStation, and playing it for the first time when I turned 18 and saved up for a computer really made me appreciate it more today.

I never really noticed the zombie animations in L4D much. I kind of took it for granted. But focusing in on them, they are truly amazing and really add depth and emersion to the atmosphere and experience.

@MangaGamify

2 жыл бұрын

I also took it for granted, thinking it's generic staple quality animations, cuse I really didn't know any better, and the zombie craze was just getting started if not started at all back then,

@heirofaniu

2 жыл бұрын

I think that the fact you never noticed them until you looked is the best statement of their quality possible. The best implemented systems are the ones that are so seamless you don't notice them.

@DSHPerotecH

2 жыл бұрын

Crazy to think I lived through the "L4D2 Boycott". Even if the game is simple on the surface, the amount of polish that you can't physically see (The Director, music cues, AI, animations, map design) explain why L4D2 has stood the test of time. Heck, it's one of only a few games I have never uninstalled on my computer.

@hardboiled2987

2 жыл бұрын

@heirofaniu exactly, well put. That is what they were going for.

@JaymayTV

2 жыл бұрын

They're so good that you don't even notice them.

crazy how he just uses dev notes and gameplay to show his point.

That burn at the end with Evolve.

Never really noticed these nuances when playing L4D2 when I was younger. But I guess thats the point right? It added so much to the atmosphere and tone and you don’t really notice how much it matters til its not there anymore. First time seeing B4B all I could think was “Something’s off, something is missing” now i know

@bomnitoperro9422

2 жыл бұрын

I always noticed those things inside valve motor. Thats why i have playef half life 2 campaign since im like 14 years old xd. That game feels diferent, is like a world inside a world. The vast mayority of other games feel more superficial in comparison. Even to this day. Another good example of that is dishonored, the game feels alive with that little details.

@shadowpeople2645

2 жыл бұрын

that is true when i played b4b the first few times it felt.....off, maybe its cuz i didnt notice the gore like l4d2 has or guns dont have the weight behind them like when ya fired a magnum in l4d2 you felt the power it has vs b4b weightless feel

@juliapigworthy

2 жыл бұрын

@@bomnitoperro9422 Walking around in the real world these days is a bit like walking around City 17 in Half-Life 2 with the covidstapo shutting down businesses and oppressing the people.

@sirpieman300

2 жыл бұрын

i know right, its amazing how much you don't realize how all the little things just add on to make a game go from amazing to " this doesn't feel right"

@OBrien1510

2 жыл бұрын

Was thinking of this watching this. I didn't even notice the detail of zombie animations in L4D when I was younger until I watched this video but when you compare it to an experience without it, it's night and day. The contextual music is a huge one as well. Didn't neccessarily notice it when it isn't there but it definitely makes a huge difference sub conciously

I was expecting an improvement of L4D, but B4B seemed to have trouble even standing up to where L4D was.

@walmorcarvalho2512

2 жыл бұрын

Shit, going for what they went they barely reach Payday 2. And PD2 was built on a shit engine

@tyler-qe7ls

2 жыл бұрын

this comment is putting it lightly lol

@unholymackerel8072

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, standing up to Left 4 Dead is an extremely high bar to pass. But yeah, this video really encapsulates the difference between making a game as a form of art, and making a game as a form of revenue

@SwedishEmpire1700

2 жыл бұрын

More like Ass2Ass

@whitetheknight1168

2 жыл бұрын

"I was expecting an improvement of _____, but ___ seems to have trouble even standing up to where _____ was." -The Entire videogame industry as of now.

It’s unreal how truly scary and immersive left 4 dead 1 and 2 still are. There’s still never been a zombie game to beat it.

One thing I appreciate is that Valve acknowledged that they wouldn't be the company they are today without their fans which is something alot of studios nowadays seem to forget. It's one of the main reasons Valve's games are beloved cause they understand what their fans want and how to deliver.

Damn the stark differences in quality... back to L4D2 we go!

@luunna2275

2 жыл бұрын

Back4L4d2😳

@olympian3

2 жыл бұрын

finally.... I'm really glad people are done wasting their time with new games like b4b. I play l4d2 often and the only other ppl are latinos and asians, I love that they play but they often don't speak english like me so its hard to communicate.

@3yebex

2 жыл бұрын

I'ma be real with you. The quality is in L4D1, not L4D2. A lot of stuff is janky or got gutted in L4D2 even with the maps transitioned over.

@dielan6847

2 жыл бұрын

@@3yebex like what exactly?

@bobthebuilder1360

2 жыл бұрын

Someone play l4d2 on xbox with me no 1 ik got it

Damn I never really thought about how left 4 dead zombie behaviour and animations were so detailed. Gotta appreciate that.

@half-blindentity9846

Жыл бұрын

I didn't even notice if they fought amongst eachother, I just shot them as soon as I saw 'em

@ProphetJigalo

Жыл бұрын

Usually the small things you only notice and miss when they are gone 😢

@somthing5705

Жыл бұрын

Personally it’s so hard to tell when it gives off so much fun you end up spending so much hours on the game

@winvey

Жыл бұрын

Never thought but definitely felt.

@user-qy3pk5no2h

Жыл бұрын

And to think that this game runs smoothly on a potato computer such as mine is just another level.

the character writing part is what made me realize how much i hate this "Millenial Writing". like lady; there's a zombie apocalypse, your loved ones are already dead or something worse happened to them, your life will never be the same "I'M a CoLLeGe GirL wiTH a BasEbALL bAt". left 4 dead games also had humor in them but it never felt misplaced, the bickering between characters felt real and allowed players to understand them better. while B4B characters just make lifeless jokes and drop meaningless F-bombs

@OperatorMax1993

5 ай бұрын

Exactly. That's why I love characters like Nick. While he seems very spiteful, almost like he hates the rest of the group. Throughout the campaigns they grow on him as he also feels concerned for them (especially if you hear the dialogue when he heels teammates)

@ZelphTheWebmancer

5 ай бұрын

Can we *not* make "Millennial Writing" a thing? Like, sure it's not good writing in this case, but the term is such a nothing burger.

@painfullyhuman

5 ай бұрын

@@ZelphTheWebmancercringe millennial spotted

@ZelphTheWebmancer

5 ай бұрын

@@painfullyhuman Weak reply. I'm not millennial, I was born in '97, but even if I was my point still stands.

@WickedParanoid

5 ай бұрын

​@@ZelphTheWebmancerTell that to those "quirky" writers then. Or, better yet, tell them to quit their jobs since writing isn't something they're good at.

Left 4 Dead 2 is so good that it not only made its predecessor obsolete, but its successor as well

@RmFrZQ

6 ай бұрын

Nothing can make Left 4 Dead obsolete. You can port maps and campaigns to Left 4 Dead 2, but the atmosphere, the look and feel simply cannot be ported. These almost like an intangible feelings, from the intro movie to the campaign ending cutscenes.

@CursedSFMS

4 ай бұрын

@@RmFrZQthe entirety of L4D is in L4D2 for free L4D is literally obsolete

Changing the steam description to "creators of Evolve" is the hottest, sickest burn ever. I can't believe that I was tricked into thinking that Turtle Rock were the geniuses behind everything great about Left for Dead.

@redthunderboar1323

2 жыл бұрын

It explains so much about the game and how it works on so many levels.

@_untitld7174

2 жыл бұрын

weve seen great rebirths from original-studios-now-free in recent years though (planet coaster, tony hawks), so its not too far fetched to have thought b4b would be a great redoing of l4d

@DrCranberry

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, they were the geniuses behind left 4 dead. Then valve hired everyone of those geniuses and left behind everyone else to pick up the scraps of the company lmao

@tuf2500

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrCranberry Valve did more work than them lmao.

@zerpent5767

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrCranberry turtle rock might be “geniuses” that came up with l4d but valve was by far and away the ones running the show creative wise and business wise

imagine if valve said “Fuck this" and decided to create L4d3

@The_whales

Жыл бұрын

maybe they somehow predict a future where the 3rd installment of their popular IP’s goes horribly wrong and got dunked on harder than if they didn’t release

@bornrhapsody8016

Жыл бұрын

@@The_whales There were rumours about L4D3 being an open world game (back when Valve still made games), but i'm completely sure that current L4D playerbase would have despised that lol

@miguelcondadoolivar5149

Жыл бұрын

A third Valve game on a Valve franchise? Never.

@StickRV

Жыл бұрын

It appeared in the codes

@visual_Memories

Жыл бұрын

I don't trust the current Valve to make a great game ever again. The old masters left a long time ago.

The reason why the Back 4 Blood devs refuse to make it open to mod makers, is because they're insecure that the modders will do a better job at making Back 4 Blood a better experience. Meanwhile in Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2, you can play as Obama, Altair, Kiryu, and 2B fighting a horde of Amogus with an M60 straight from nam, a balloon sword, chicken, a case of bud light, and anabolic steroids.

Man, I have A LOT of core memories for Left 4 Dead. I still remember my 1st playthrough and I stopped playing the game immediately when I heard the witch's crying and its creepy music. Also there are fond memories playing L4D2 with my friends and our hilarious moments on it. When Back 4 Blood was announced, I was so excited about it. But luckily I didn't have the cash to spend so much for the game, and one of buddies who bought it told us to not buy it and he greatly regretted purchasing the game. 😂

@RellHearts

7 ай бұрын

During the time it first came out I luckily had gamepass on Xbox and was able to play it for free, me and my friends spent a hour on it and never played it again. So glad I didn’t spend money on it.

Generally when the marketing goes "from the creators of [older but amazing IP]" what they generally mean is that they just have one or two people from the original team.

@commanderzander580

2 жыл бұрын

That's how I kind of felt when they kept selling Outer Worlds as "From the creators of Fallout: NV". Granted, Outer Worlds turned out rather well and stands as a good game on its own. But you can't call it another New Vegas by any stretch.

@NicolasREVA7X

2 жыл бұрын

@@commanderzander580 Damn not even close. FNV was all sorts of incredible, OW is just ok.

@Djangolulu

2 жыл бұрын

It had the 2 of the 6 Turtle Rock employees who made L4D.

@raka1996

2 жыл бұрын

@@commanderzander580 Well, now we got Bethesda and the creators of Fallout: NV in one place... **insert wild imagination here**

@tablasmpablas7594

2 жыл бұрын

@@commanderzander580 outer worlds was made by the creators of the fallout universe in general, not 1 or 2 devs but the ones that came up with every concept and were behind fo1, fo2 and NV

Its crazy how good, the ragdoll animation/physics is. When they standing up, they support themselves with their arms. Valve did so many things so much ahead of its time. There's still so much that other companies haven't done as well to date.

@yes5991

Жыл бұрын

and to think that left for dead, which was made back in 2008, absolutely DECIMATES back for blood, which was released in 2021.

@shalashaska69420

Жыл бұрын

literally valve if they had the graphics capabilities of today they would be unstoppable

@jcdentonunatco

Жыл бұрын

@@yes5991 I disagree. I don't think the differences between the two games are that severe. Left 4 Dead is fantastic, and is probably the better game overall, but Back 4 Blood has some advantages. Overall I think the issues this video outlines are mostly pretty minor

@c0rn322

Жыл бұрын

@@jcdentonunatco True, this video only showed that L4D had better animations, physics, gore, atmosphere, mechanic, AI, audio design, etc... People are just overreacting over these very minor issues and overlooked B4B's advantage that is the quirky diverse cast and RNG card gameplay.

@devyn.

Жыл бұрын

@@c0rn322 yeah. only what you'd need in a zombie shooter. what people really care about are the graphics. and RNG.

The fact that Left 4 dead 2 was rushed in one year after L4D1 and its still vastly superior, makes Back 4 Blood incredibly pathetic. Only credit they have is basic cast concept early on and doing what i did as kid in Counterstrike 1.6 with terrorist only bots with knives and me as single ct. Its nothing special.

Left 4 Dead 2 right now: 26,909 in-game on Steam, soon to be 26,910 when I finish downloading the game. c-: Edit: It hit 58,229 on March 16th, 8 days ago. Wow.

@Aro748

2 ай бұрын

You know there’s something wrong with the way AAA games are made, when a 15 year old game has more active players than a 2 year old game.

I remember 10 years ago imagining what games would be like 10 years in the future. Never did I expect them to be worse.

@pbateman4124

2 жыл бұрын

And remember back in 2001 when games like Deus Ex and MGS 2 released.

@ishkool8664

2 жыл бұрын

yeah exactly, now it's just yo we have battle royale at 4k and 1000 micro transactions

@gaborvarga6567

2 жыл бұрын

Because studios like valve and rockstar are just milking their online games and lazy to make new ones.

@thehorse5307

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like the better technology and more cookie cutter development of games in general seems to have killed a lot of the ingenuity that led to the flavour of these games. I'm not trying to say they aren't working hard, but it seems like maybe due to the size and scale of these games, the original vision for what the game should be gets clouded and lost somewhere in the development. It's why indie games seem to still give me that feeling old games did, whilst most AAA games tend to leave me thoroughly dissatisfied.

@BestOpinionHaver

2 жыл бұрын

@@gaborvarga6567 I dont know about that. I havn't played Half-Life Alyx but I'm told its a master-piece. Also Gabe Newell is basically the Elon Musk of the gaming industry, a genious. Who's to say they currently arent working on the next master-piece, dare I say HL3:D

Its amazing how the technology as a whole has improved yet games keep devolving more into these hollow, uninspired cash grabs

@riccardodepieri4582

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Nowadays the only developers I really trust are indie ones and one or two reliable big houses. Other than that when a new big game comes out I wait at least a year for reviews and potential sales even if I'm really interested (which is not often though realistically)

@ruok3351

2 жыл бұрын

When game engines and such are becoming more accessible and easier to use - the talent, effort and knowledge to create something actually great decline. Devs have become lazy. Too many recent games with lack of effort and thought into the overall design. Only a few studios are still passionate to uphold their reputation for the highest standards like Rockstar, Valve and Naughty Dog.

@chinesemassproduction

2 жыл бұрын

@@ruok3351 remove Naughty Dog and replace it with Capcom

@ruok3351

2 жыл бұрын

@@chinesemassproduction Disagree. Story is subjective. But Last of Us 2 gameplay design and animations is like no other, down to the smallest details.

@GeeseAreDeadly

2 жыл бұрын

​@@ruok3351 Rockstar used to be amazing, but now with how much they keep milking GTA online and not focusing on making a new game, I think its safe to say that they have fell into making cash grabs. Imagine how great it would be if we had a new gta with all the modern technology, but for the past 7 years its been the same game, with dlcs that are used to boost shark card sales, and then they just have shitty remasters of their old games that carried their company. Imagine a new GTA game with all the detail that GTA IV and V had.

OOF. That Evolve roast at the very end. Great video.

I've never touched L4D, but now I think I will. What's funny is both L4D games cost £8.50, B4B costs £49.99. Somehow, the cheap game being the better game isn't a surprise.

Ай бұрын

It’s not that cheap when it was released in 2008. L4D was 60$ when it first come out.

@carinhatube3727

26 күн бұрын

​@ *You've completely misunderstood his argument.*

The death animation portion really made me think. Left 4 Dead's weaponry really feels powerful, it feels like it actually does something to the zombies you are fighting and the death animations gives that grotesque and macabre vibe of the life slinking from the exhausted and dying infected you just shot. In Back 4 Blood, the weapons can simultaneously feel like they barely do anything to the infected while also throwing them like I hit them with a 20kg shotgun slug at point blank range. It doesn't feel right. A true L4D3 game would be MOUNDS better and I wouldn't mind waiting an entire 10 years for it to exist.

@ultramagnus1859

2 жыл бұрын

The real tragedy is we’ve already waited MORE than ten years...and yet, I’ll keep waiting, just for the chance at something that great to exist

@horizont6883

2 жыл бұрын

really makes you wonder how a 1911 can send a zombie flying back a few meters but all the m4 does is just stop the zombie's movement

@mr-x7689

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldent it be funny if valve decided to make a L4D 3 And only using the original L4D2 engine and assets, and just updating the graphics. And having it turning out to be waaaay better than B4B? :)

@saloz9483

2 жыл бұрын

At this point LFD3 is just a realistic as HL3 and no that VR only game does not count. Valve just doesn't give a crap anymore.

@fus132

2 жыл бұрын

@@horizont6883 A punch from 1911 would technically be stronger than from a rifle, due to it's bigger projectile (.45 ACP being 11.4mm vs M4's 5.56mm) and slower speed of said projectile, doesn't penetrate as well, so to speak.

Seeing how many of L4D's team is not present in the making of B4B makes you quickly realize why things turned out the way it did

@DiceBard

7 ай бұрын

Well, that and being published by a publicly traded corporation this time instead of a privately own business like Valve

@dcmcmother3531

6 ай бұрын

The people who made B4B are people that gave the concept of l4d

@Brendakye2468

6 ай бұрын

​​@@dcmcmother3531not really. A couple of people at turtle rock were involved with valve a long time ago and turtle rock used that as a marketing ploy but a majority of turtle rocks team had never been involved and those that eere involved with valve... Well... Their involvement with l4d2 was definitely misrepresented To be clear I am referring to the employees of turtle rock at the time of back4blood. Yes turtlerock was the studio that originally made l4d but there had been staffing changes.

@allxtend4005

6 ай бұрын

5-7 people from left4dead Made b4b and people say "the creators of left 4 dead" the next Thing IS "the creators of evolve" i did Not know that but yes they cant make good Games because they dont have the Skill for that.

@anomonyous

5 ай бұрын

@@dcmcmother3531 Concepts are easy, concepts are cheap. Go to any pub around the world and have a few drinks with a mate, you'll have hundreds of free "concepts" right there already. Actually implementing them, however.... That takes skill, talent, time and dedication.

I loved Left4Dead 1 and 2 but this gave me a whole new appreciation for those games.

Hearing Gabe talk about “making a game that our fans would be proud of because they built our business” feels like a fever dream. Hearing passion and drive to make a good product is all to rare in the industry nowadays. Investors decide what gets put out and it’s going to be what makes the most $$$

@RaydeusMX

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah and keep in mind the context of it also was that L4D2 was released very shortly after the first game, so there were many people asking if it was proper sequel or if it should have been a DLC for the original.

@OllieMendes

2 жыл бұрын

That's where the "companies exist to make money" mindset got us. Money above all else, and then you'll get blamed for expecting a decent product and buying it like a constant game of "quit hitting yourself".

@Valfezant

2 жыл бұрын

​@@MacenW I feel the same. Though the company's policies and relationships with their own series are debatable, it's hard not to trust them at least a bit, considering arguably everything they've put out is still regarded a wonder of game design decades later

@ezioassassain

2 жыл бұрын

i can only dream about a left 4 dead 3 with mod support. i hope it happens one day

@voltairethegoldflame9280

2 жыл бұрын

Valve is privately owned. They don't have investors.

Those last seconds of the video gave me chills, i knew something was off with B4B after i stopped playing it cause it bored me unlike L4D that i've been playing for years.

@dannygreen5477

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

@chedsalvia6270

2 жыл бұрын

who can forget Shrek Tank

@yaboibunsen363

2 жыл бұрын

forsenBB CHILLS

@fastest-man-alive

2 жыл бұрын

GEE WIZ

@astrabirry

2 жыл бұрын

dude i legit got bored after playing 3 hours early access, i got a key from watching a streamer and legit got bored of the game in a single day, and i saw the price of the game when it released and i couldnt believe it.. because i literally spent less than 5 dollars on L4D2 4 years ago and yet i still enjoy it to this day

The last 5 seconds of this video is absolutely brutally savage

I love the fact that this guy never said a word in the video, literally showing, not telling

I never realized how incredibly polished Left4Dead was until seeing this. Had not seen the commentary before now either. But this shows only a tiny piece of how difficult this all is. I hope Turtle Rock can be more successful with their goals in the future.

@SomeYouTubeTraveler

2 жыл бұрын

The commentary in _all_ of their old games is amazing, and a genius way to interact with it. 2000's-Valve were the pinnacle of linear storytelling, both on an in-game and meta level. They'd mastered "show, don't tell"... but when they decide to tell, hoo boy do they tell.

@ADRENELINEDUDE

2 жыл бұрын

Turtle Rock will never be successful, look at Evolve.

@Biggssyyy

2 жыл бұрын

@@ADRENELINEDUDE yeah honestly turtle rock should just give it up at this point. Evolve could have been great but they turned it into shit

@BigTuk

2 жыл бұрын

Now we know why Valve time is what it is. and Yeah you don't notice polish because i feels and looks natural, like its supposed to be there. You know it by its absense

@charlottecorday8494

2 жыл бұрын

Turtle Rock will not EVER be successful now that they're owned by commies