I've done further investigation, and would appreciate your thoughts! Thanks to Alan Toms for suggesting checking the wheel gauge! Back to back gauge difference between Hornby and Bachmann hall was minimal: Bachmann 0.1mm wider. I decided to measure distance between *outer flange surface* (much more important, as it ignores flange thickness) and found much greater difference. I also measured other Bachmann problem locos too, here are the results. Each result is an average taken from all three driven axles. Hornby vs Bachmann Hall: 15.36mm vs 15.93mm, Bachmann 0.57mm wider. Hornby K1 vs Bachmann K3: 15.30mm vs 16.26mm, Bachmann 0.96mm wider. Hornby 4P vs Bachmann STD4: 15.43mm vs 15.76mm, Bachmann 0.33mm wider. As you can see, Bachmann are gauged consistently wider than Hornby by an average of 0.62mm. My questions then: - Is this significant enough to contribute to the running issues? - What should the gauge be? (outer flanges, not back to back) - Is this difference typical across other models? If you can, send me your own data (as above) for comparable Hornby vs Bachmann models, and we can do some 'proper' research! I'll do some more measuring if I have time too!

@jimross623

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Sam, What happens if/when you reduce the Bachmann outer flange width to the same as the Hornby? That should be simple enough for a mechanical genius such as yourself! There are several back-to-back brass OO gauges available to buy to set correct widths aren’t there. Regards, Jim

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimross623 haha definitely not a genius Jim - messing with gauge scares me, that's for sure! We're talking a fraction of a mm ... too risky for me!! I don't think a back-to-back gauge would help much, because the thickness of the flanges could be different. Hoping someone can provide the answers!

@GenericGeeza

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe try making the tender have pickups and put the decoder in there

@lukeslocomotives

3 жыл бұрын

As usual, bachmann likes money

@Poliss95

3 жыл бұрын

@Sam. You need to measure the Front to Back dimensions as shown on the DOGA website. It should be 15.2mm max. www.doubleogauge.com/standards/commercialwheels.htm Also the track gauge itself. www.doubleogauge.com/standards/commercialtrack.htm

Bachmann tender locos: Quality - sometimes Out of date - Always Expensive - it wouldn’t be Bachmann if it wasn’t

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha, you said it, not me! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@the_autism_express

3 жыл бұрын

It's true. I was looking at the HO thomas locomotives for which tender engine was the cheapest (for my birthday in march), and the winner was james. ($129.00) while the loser was Spencer ($179.00)

Literally I heated up popcorn to watch this, I was like “Oop, Sam uploaded again” So I went to the kitchen 😂 -Nick

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha fantastic!! Hope you enjoy it Nick! :D

Really not surprised in the slightest that Oxford don't charge for weathering, if only manufacturers like Bachmann took a leaf out of their book.

@TestECull

3 жыл бұрын

I'd rather they not weather it at all, leave it to us. And sell more undecs. I vastly prefer buying undecs, especially with locomotives.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha I know right - good old Oxford - just proves how little it must really cost! Bachmann are like that - they've even started charging more for the complex liveries (812) - not aware of any other manufacturer doing that either! But yeah, home weathering is usually best, particularly if the alternative costs you an extra £10!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I have a Bachmann Hall and have had it since 2007 I think. It’s a been brilliant model, never gone wrong, work fine on all layouts I use it, it’s also had very little maintenance. And like all my mid 2000s Bachmann they do fine with being put in and out of there box with all detail still surviving (something I cant say about my Hornby models). I recommend trying the Bachmann 9F from the mind 2000s. Iv had mine pulling 66 wagons on lay out with gradients.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing - glad to hear some of them work well then! Why do I always get lemons?!? :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@jettgabbert3635

Жыл бұрын

Wow

Thanks, Sam for uploading. Was thinking of getting this particular Hall class from Bachmann but I’m glad I didn’t. Thanks for saving me a lot of money. Always look forward to seeing your reviews because you don’t hold anything back, you speak your mind and get down to the nitty and gritty stuff that mechanically-minded people look for in a locomotive, and for that we thank you. Cheers 👍

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

No problem Caleb - I honestly think the Hornby is the better model, cemented by the fact that it's so much cheaper! A pleasure mate - always worth being so brutally honest to read comments like this one! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

If you hadn’t shown how that train runs, I would have bought it. Seriously Bachmann stop doing this.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly - so often the case - really upsetting isn't it?! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Ye Sam, I have it, it’s an amazing model aesthetically, but not the best when it comes down to running. 😢 (I had to modify mine)

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Henry, yeah that's basically it in a nutshell! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thank you Sam, now when I ever get up the courage to make a Lego one of these, I could always just search the vid and see your 360 shot of the engine, you don't know how much your videos help.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Ooh fantastic - that'd be super cool! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

It looks amazing Sam keep up the good work and have a good one!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot mate, have a good one too! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

The MainLine Railways Bachmann Manors are better than that. No-one likes to hear of preserved railways under lockdown being vandalised by thoughtless offenders. The Llangollen Railway has suffered severe vandalism in this second lockdown situation; carriage windows have been smashed, seats ripped up and empty alcohol bottles have been left as evidence. Without money to pay for repairs and possible replacements, it could be the end of the one railway I'm a member of. Please send a message to everyone about vandalism. It's upsetting me greatly. I may never get another ride behind my beloved Foxcote Manor again. Also, it might mean the end of my driving and firing sessions with 5 inch gauge engine Holy War. Sniff!

@kyle5674

3 жыл бұрын

That's just ridiculous. What do people hope to gain by destroying these historic machines and damaging the stock? That's just stupid. Losing faith in humanity...

@kyle5674

3 жыл бұрын

I love the Llangollen Railway, my grandparents took me there last time I was visiting them, its such a shame people would do that. It's a beautiful bit of heritage.

@RobA500

3 жыл бұрын

That is just sickening, these people need locking up and the key’s thrown away so they never see the light off day again.

@bentullett6068

3 жыл бұрын

We had worse at the Severn Valley Railway at Bewdley station yard as we had a visit off the ORR (office of road and rail) before lockdown, as someone fell from some scaffolding and injured themselves in a serious way. This has caused them to close the yard for all of the volunteer groups (apart from engine crews) until they employ a yard manager who has to make sure the yard is safe to work in. We get our lovely carriages occasionally vandalised as well if in the carriage works yard at Kidderminster by people who assume spray painting everything is fun.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

The society we live in is far too soft. If a kid destroys something these days, what do they get? A pat on the head and some kind of diagnosis. If there were proper consequences for modern stupidity, the world would *have to become* a smarter place. Thanks Kelly for sharing this - let's hope proper justice can be done!

Is nice just watching you do your thing in the evening Sam. Keep doing what you do 😄

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, that's lovely to read!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Hello Sam! I have been loving the uploads. Keep up the good work mate.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Jed! :D

Great review Sam certainly looks like a nice livery and it is great to see a GWR engine in BR black

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks David, yes a great pleasure to find one in this livery! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

awesome review sam! Also from when I’m typing this your very close to 90K subscribers!!! -TheImperialDiamondSpinosaurus

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much mate - I know, I can't believe that!! :O Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I love the videos hope you have a good week next week I love the express videos and the second hand ones

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Oliver, have a good week my friend! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

The class 4900 is my FAVORITE class of all time, my favorite engine in that class is witherslack hall, im glad u made this

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Ooh good choice - yeah they're lovely engines! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Once again Sam, you've highlighted the shortfall in Bachmann steam locos now on offer at ridiculously high prices...You are a real treasure....Thanks.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Bob - it's all worth it to read comments like that! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

One of your best Sam that review. Valuable advice

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!! :D

Thanks for this Sam, I have been looking at getting a Bachmann train pack containing a Hall Class. This has given me something to think about. In the meantime I still have my trusty old Tri-ang Albert Hall, she runs a lot better as well nice and smooth and surprisingly quite for an X04 motor.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

No problem Rob - given the right price, they could be worth it - but just be aware that you're not buying a quality modern loco as Bachmann may suggest! Absolutely - besides the noise, my tri-ang Halls can literally out-perform this!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I’ve got the exact same one as you and had no issues at all

This looks really nice sam! I have an early hornby 'saint' class - 2937 Clevedon Court in the same livery. Ringfield motor in the tender but better than nothing... Great Video!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that! I'd forgotten Hornby did those - awesome!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I love the elegance of the Hall Class, great locomotives ❤️

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Me too, a truly beautiful class! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

We are at 90k. Well done Sam!:)

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Wow!! Amazing stuff - can't think you enough for all your kind support! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Absolutely beautiful loco this great to see and greatly appreciated thanks Sam 🚂

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, really glad you liked it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I gotta say, I got the modified Hall a couple of years ago and had the exact same issues. It was one of the newer versions of the model and there was no room to fit a decoder. In the end I had to use the bachmann decoder which plugs in but is wired to another plate (don't know the technical term haha) I removed the weight in front of the motor and place it in there, feeding the wires around the motor. Was a very tight fit. It does seem to be a recurring thing with Bachmann where they don't utilise the room in the tender. Not all locos granted but certainly most of them. But if I recall, I operated it on DC and the performance wasn't too bad.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing Chris - yeah I did a lot of research into that, even the new ones are the same! Sounds like an absolute nuisance that does! D: Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Hi Sam, I must rush out and buy one of those then. Thanks for the recommendation! I think Bachmann have been at the coffee, but it was 1960’s British Rail coffee. Regards, Jim

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha thanks Jim - yep, in bed with a stomach upset I reckon! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I have a bachmann split chassis modified hall. For some reason they made the piston guides out of plastic, so one snapped and I had to replace it. Also the body mounting screw part snapped so the body is loose. It doesnt have sprung buffers or a metal running plate, but it still has those large lamp brackets. I'm going to wire an 8 pin socket into the tender at some point to get it running on dcc, like I've done with my split chassis manor and J39 and others, but I think I'll do my B1 first.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Oh god, that's awful isn't it?! Sounds like a right waste of time - at least they fixed some of that then!! ;D Good luck with the DCCing - that was always my nemesis!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

great review sam!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!! :D

This loco looks great! I like the livery and the body shape!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Me too - the livery was fantastic! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Great review Sam! You should review some modern and new coaches like the LNER 61ft teak coaches or the Hornby A4 Bitten with the double tenders

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Daniel, I'd love that actually - great idea! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Hi Sam! I bought the more modern version a few months ago for an absolute bargain at £90, and you'll be glad to hear they have refined it. The lamp irons are much more realistic size, and the performance is far more realistic in terms of speed, and does a far better crawl. I haven't looked inside it so I can't comment on the motor type or the bearings, but there still isn't any tender pickups, so I'd imagine the decoder space is still under the cab or in the boiler. It also doesn't slow down on the corners like yours does. I haven't tested it on any hills, so again I can't comment

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, for £90 it's way better! Interesting about the lamp irons - the photos on Rails of Sheffield still show them being huge! Great to hear yours runs better - let me know what the innards are like if you get chance to look! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I had the same model when they first came out, DCC fitting was actually straight forward, as you mentioned you can feed the wires up and over, either that or you could route the harness into the tender, which is how I did mine as well as sound fitting and extra pickups. It was the first model I ever did my own sound install with, and was really quite easy (Try DCC fitting the Ivatt 4MT...THAT was a real pig!). Dead right about the gearing though, it saps so much of the available torque from the motor and makes it less responsive for low speed running. I'd be interested to see what the back to backs are on that model, its almost as if its the wheel backs are interfering with the chassis block when it is on tight curves, so there is probably not enough sideplay somewhere; it was the Bachmann Std4 MTT which you had that did the same thing on curves.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for sharing - yes I'd opt for wiring it into the tender too... just a pity Bachmann didn't design it that way from the start! You're right about the 4MT - don't even get me started on that one, haha! Check out my pinned comment at the top - I've measured the gauging and posted the results! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Now you have shown me this and other Bachman locos, I won’t be wasting my money on them

@bentullett6068

3 жыл бұрын

Some bachmann models are good its just they have a few old clunkers that they still have in the range from 10 or more years ago that they tend to charge a high price for. I have 2 of the GWR Pannier tank locomotives and they are brilliant compared to the really old hornby open station cab model.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that's true Ben - models from Bachmann designed in the last 4 years or so are much better (often not quite up to Hornby's standard), but worth buying for the right price overall! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I'd say that its a fair review for the model you picked up, Sam. I own Bachmann's Raveningham Hall in lined GWR livery (as it looked on the WSR) and the only issue I've had with it is one of the wheels slipped out of its gauging and caught the running gears. But thats once in 5 years and its been brilliant ever since. I'm not sure if its newer or older than yours, but my Hall is able to crawl brilliantly with no jerkiness and it pulls up to 10 coaches without any complaining. Hope you're keeping well and safe mate :)

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing Markus - that sounds like quite a novel issue, can't say I've had that before... was it the earlier split-chassis version by any chance?? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

This was my first OO loco! Sadly it isn’t in running condition I need to replace a lot of stuff but it’s definitely going to run soon

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Lovely looking loco - not surprised it's not running! Good luck my friend, you'll need it! xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)

That hornby railroad hall class was one of my first models

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome!! Such a great model to start with!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I have the DCC with sound Hogwarts loco and it is beautifully detailed with pretty decent sounds and runs very smoothly - very happy with it for the price I paid.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

You're right - they are beautiful, and I bet even with sound it was less than Bachmann's RRP! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@magnificus8581

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains got it off of Ebay for $175

So cool thanks for showing me this locomotive

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

No problem mate, glad you liked it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Sam you've come so far mate! So close to tbe big 90k!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much - I know, totally crazy isn't it?! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@zacsrailways8020

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains it most certainly is! And I've supported you all the way

Beautiful model Sam! Probably the most successful GWR engines! 10 preserved is a healthy number! Only 3 left to be restored!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Ryno - yes indeed, great about that! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

The buffers on the front of the tender remind me of the thomas & friends take-along tender engines.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Ooh really?? Do they have those?! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

That's my fifth favorite class of Ten Wheeler, after the LMS Black 5, the Baldwin T-12 Class in D&RGW's Bumblebee Yellow paint scheme, the Baldwin T-31 Class in Southern Pacific's black with silver highlights, and the Caledonian Railway 918 class.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Ooh nice - some fantastic machines listed there!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I have 4965 Rood Ashton from the Shakespeare Express train pack. Quite a good runner on DCC despite claims saying otherwise.

Nice vid Sam!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tom! :D

Your videos make my day, do you reckon maybe you can do another running with the mallard?

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Louis, sure I can look into that! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I love your Layout mate🚂🚂💙💙

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!! :D

These vids never get boring😀😀

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha thank you so much Jayden! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Look at the Epping Ongar Railway website to see Pitchford Hall in this EXACT livery. She was at the GCR when she was being overhauled

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Ooh very awesome!! Thanks for sharing mate! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Sam Your vids keep getting better 😀 keep it up Alfie 🤩

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Alfie, that's really kind of you! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I love the BR black, it is a smart livery and when you see the livery in the grime it is really cool.-Das Mann:)

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

I love it too - absolutely fantastic! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Brilliant video Sam 👍

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! :D

The hall class locomotive really is a nice model. I almost bought one of these in the past but I really could not justify the price. Sad to see how it ran tho! For the price you would expect much better. That DCC socket space and placement really is not well thought out. Great video as always Sam, Clint.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Clint, I think you had a lucky miss - I've always enjoyed my Hornby ones much more! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Nobody Sam with Bachammm models: *you're free trial of life has expired*

They looks 1-0 hornby on his ur the tracks. They looking nice Sam's train

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks llesh! :D

@LleshGordon2122

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains ur welcome mate

Cool video sam always like Bachmann models

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Fred, I can't help liking them too! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I think this Thomas and friends quote explains the mechanism Henry: Dis- dis Gordon: Disgraceful! James: Disgusting! Henry: Despicable!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha they're absolutely right!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I got myself one of these a few days ago, coast me £55 and I think it’s a good loco

My favourite class of locomotives from Britain. Wait They make it in the BR livery that looks splendid

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear that! Yeah it does look grand in BR black doesn't it?! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Re DCC fitting in the Bachmann Hall Class loco. There is a weight in Front of the motor sitting in a plastic thing, it is held in place by some black tape. If you remove the tape you can take the weight and the decoder fits into the plastic thing in place of the weight. There should also be ‘clips’ to route the decoder wires through and should keep the out of the way of the motor.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that's correct Mike, thanks for that! Pity about losing the weight in the process though! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

sam : *gets train* me : *MEME TIME*

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha!! Do your worst!! xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I love toy trains this is my new favorite chanel!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!!! :D

Good vid Sam 👍🏻

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! :D

hi sam great video its my birthday tomorrow and just a question im planning to get a ddc ready tornado for my birthday but i dont think it has tender pickups now the question is: what is the best way to let it run without it cutting out? have a good day: ian

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Ooh hope you have a very happy birthday tomorrow! The only way is to regularly clean the tracks, wheels and pickups - then they should work well!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Looks so good

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! :D

My favourite hall is guild hall I am very impressed by it.😀👍 Make the 100k special your best video ever

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Ooh nice - who made that one?! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@jamessavage7987

3 жыл бұрын

Bachmann

Hey Sam, I own some Lima coaches and the paint scheme has kinda darkened over time. Is there a way I can “brighten up” the paint scheme without having to repaint the coaches entirely? Thanks

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Ahh interesting - have you tried giving them a good wash?? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

The Saint and Hall class were the same size. The main differences were the Hall had smaller wheels and a cab with side windows. The DCC chip is supposed to replace the weight mounted in front of the motor (there are clips to hold the wiring in place). It’s not a great location, tricky to squeeze in and by removing the weight it doesn’t exactly improve the performance

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this Andrew, that makes sense! Can't believe that - I'd never want to sacrifice all that weight just for DCC, what were they thinking?! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Nice to return after an absence, and see this helpful vid, Sam. I wasn't aware of Bachmann's not using proper bearings until I saw some of your previous videos. Their locos are usually so visually appealing, it's a shame about the apparent mechanism problems. I have a Bachmann Hall, purchased about 15 years ago, but never ran it much after the first brief (OK) test run so can't really assess its performance. I should give it a good workout with rolling stock and see. I thought Bachmann announced 2-3 years ago they would concentrate on quality in all future releases. Do you know if they have?

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Rob - yeah you're right - many of their releases are all-looks and no guts - yeah sure, see how you go on with it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

For a old model it is very well designed I have the modified version

#4971 "Stanway Hall" was built at Swindon Works in January 31st, 1930 and saw service until it was withdrawn on August 13th, 1962. It was cut up at R.S. Hayes Scrapyard at Birds, Tremains Yard, Bridgend on January 31st, 1964 on its 34th birthday.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this Vincent, great to see you again! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

This loco did first come out in 2004-2005 so not surprising it doesn’t have tender wiring.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

True, but now it's 2020 and Bachmann's latest version *still* doesn't have tender wiring... and it's £169 - and that's my problem! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I saw some magnetic couplings (I think they were called Hunt couplings), they allowed the coaches to get much closer than with the standard couplings. Maybe those could be something you could review? Yet another great review Sam 👍

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah you're right - I reviewed them once in a live stream - they worked well, but far too fragile - most of mine just broke when I removed them from the NEM pockets! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Excellent review video of the Bachmann GWR Hall Class Sam 👍👍 Well excellent to your video, but not to this model as I can’t believe that it run fast & slow while on the move. And even it has great details, it is a bit outdated to not only the modern Bachmann Hall Class, but to the Hornby Hall Class as they have great details as well I like the driving wheels look so smooth with better axels than Bachmann. I know it late for to say about your latest Model Railway news and I’m sorry for me to comment, but I like to say that I like the 4-6-2 Pacific from Australia which is a Hornby product and that look excellent. Sam, have you got those new J94 Austerity from EFE Rail?

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much Joe - yeah you're absolutely right! Yeah the ARM C38 is looking really interesting! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Congratulations for reach6 90k!!!!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Oliver!! :D

@oliverthebrblack5330

3 жыл бұрын

Your welcome

I really like this comparing locos of different manufacturers against each other and against the real thing Fantastic review! Even if Bachmann get round to improving their mechanisms There’s still the issue of extra price ! From my memory I think they’ve always been more expensive than Hornby 😊

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Jon - you're right - even with a better mechanism, this wouldn't be compelling against Hornby's much cheaper offering! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

The first Hall class locomotive was originally a Saint, 2925 Saint Martin was rebuilt into a Hall.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing William - they were similar in design then?? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@williamtown4058

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains No problem, almost, I think the Saints had bigger wheels.

All of these locomotives are wonderful

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

They are, just some more than others! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I have a few of these. Agree the Hornby one is better but I did improve the performance of the bachmann version by removing the fitted DCC equipment and the resistor over the motor and wiring a decoder and keep alive in the tender. Some extra holes are required in the chasis and tender but the 3 halls I've done run really well configured that way. On the subject of weathering I always do my own even on weathered versions.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this Chris - and that's very interesting, that could explain why the voltage drop kills these so badly, if there's a resistor in series too! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I’ve got one of them Sam the only truble with it is that it’s bogie axle at the front likes to jump at the points I need to take a look at that lol Thx Ben :)

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Ahh very interesting Ben! Of all the things wrong with mine, I've never seen it do that! Good luck mate! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@agriben7591

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains thanks

It has the decoder there because backmann know that the people that use decoders are just going to send it back or bin it or use it for experiments

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha maybe you're right, lol! ;D

Great video as alway Sam, have you ever thought of getting a Rivarossi Union Pacific Big boy? I bought the 4014 special editon and it's running superb, it's the best crawler and the strongest locomotive i have, even though it's on H0 scale instead of OO it beats all of my Hornby locomotives strength wise. It is a bit slow but again the crawl and detail is superb so i can really recommend getting one. (If they are still being sold new/second hand since i can't find any special editions anymore. Also they may be really expensive since i paid €400 for mine.)

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

I've thought of it, it would be great fun, good idea! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Dyou reckon you'll buy the new hornby br standard 2mt when it comes out? Great review! :)

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

I hope to yeah - they're looking grand! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

When you were analysing (you analyse, I analyze--thanks, Noah Webster) the front buffers, I was reminded of something I've been curious about: do any commercial railway models feature working screw link couplings? Also, I'm sorry I always comment twice on your videos; it's just that they're so thought-provoking.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Check out my Hatton's O gauge Warwell wagon - that certainly did! Can't say I've ever seen it in OO though! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Hi Sam. Is it a trick of the camera or lighting that the paint looks quite dull on the hornby models? The bachmann model looks good on screen. The hornby paint appears flat and dull.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

You're right - the colours do pop better on Bachmann - I can't put my finger on why it is, but it's not just a trick of the light! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Although - some of the footage taken of the Hornby hall was shot some years ago on a different camera - so to be fair that could have contributed!!

@mikelight

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains maybe we need an enterprising modeler to fit bachmann bodies on hornby chassis, the best of both worlds!

amazing sam

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jimmy!! :D

I know it should have a decent motor in the first place but, if you find you've got one of these is it possible to take the three pole motor out and put a 5 pole in?

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

That's the big question! I've never been able to find a replacement for Bachmann's motors - I think they use their own design, unlike Hornby, so all the standard motor sizes just won't fit! I often search, but never find! :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I had the exact same model a while back when it was a lot cheaper from hattons. Detail was great and slow speed was better than your example but had terrible trouble with it derailing all the time for the fun of it. Was really frustrating as was the only loco in my collection that did it

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've seen that the price used to be less than half what it is now - unbelievable!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

You should review the Union Pacific 844 which is a 4-8-4. When I way little I was in the cab on one of its trips in Kansas. I still got some smashed coin’s from the trip

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

That sounds fantastic Lane, I'll look out for one! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Talking of the Harry Potter version reminds me of the first time my family watched the first movie. My grandfather (who used to work for LNER in Scotland) was like “I have 2 questions.... What is a GWR loco doing in King’s Cross? And why is a Hall Class wearing Castle nameplates??” 🤣🤣

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha fantastic - I've heard the same thing many times myself, very good questions indeed, lol! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Hi sam because i own one of the more modern bachmann halls i can confirmed that some of the issues have been updated on my gwr livery one mainly the details and the running quality are much better then yours

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that Callum! Does yours have tender pickups and decoder socket, or proper metal bearings? I don't think they do, but I'd like to have it confirmed! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I have that model too but I do have problems connecting to the tender. It keeps disconnected of on the loco

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

You're right - that's another nightmare feature i didn't mention, haha! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@randomtransportguyx4397

3 ай бұрын

I know I'm a few years late to the party. But I have found with these tender draw bars you just have to bend them upwards and they stay connected. I know it basically destroy's any value. But there we are haha

Is there actually any Bachmann locos that actually have wheel bearing? I just can't remember seeing any that have

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah lots of their modern ones do, which suggests they *know* they're beneficial, but they won't update their old models! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@OlivierGabin

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains When they update their old models, the prices skyrockets. Look at their LNER V2 for instance...

I am NOT defending Bachmann here, but I do recall your new Hornby Prairie tank struggling with near stalls on curves as well.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Yes you're absolutely right - this was actually filmed just before the Large Prairie came out (I film a bunch of reviews in one go, and release them slowly. New model reviews get to jump the queue and go early) So yes - the Large Prairie was just as bad - and I was just as harsh in that review too!! That one was even worse as it was a brand new 2020 design! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Time for #BoycotBachman I think. (I purchased their Jubilee Madras from rails from Sheffield and have the same problems, luckily it was under £100!) Looking forward to their 94xx’s though! (any chance of any news about them in your next update video?) Cheers for another great video

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha I don't really want to boycott them because I want to know whether their new releases (what new releases?) are better! But sure, I certainly wouldn't recommend many of Bachmann's locos, besides the ones designed in the last 4 years or so! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Hi Sam, Looking at Britain's Model Trains 2020 (an annual compendium of all UK ready-to-run model railway items - from Model Rail magazine), I see that they gave the Hornby Hall 92% and the Bachmann Hall 88%. The latter is a higher score than I would expect going on your comments. The Bachmann one is a lot better than the 1966 Triang Hornby version I previously had! - it had the old XO4 motor and made an ozone smell when it ran.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks James, there's no doubt it's much better than the Tri-ang one, but 88% is far too generous in my opinion, as is often the case with magazine reviews. I can't blame the mags though - if they started criticising manufacturers heavily, they'd lose their free samples and probably lots of advertising money too... fortunately I don't have those worries, so I can be candid. It's paid off so far! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Sam, did tender locomotives have buffers between engine and tender? Because I never saw that before.

@bentullett6068

3 жыл бұрын

Yes they do have buffers between the tender and the locomotive in real life.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah!! It's just they're not always represented on models, though maybe some locos don't have them? I've seen a few in real life that don't! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

hey sam how many coaches can your hornby J94 pull?

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure about that - quite a few though, it's pretty heavy! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

hi sam. great video, bachmann do charge rather a lot, you can get a triang one for less, i agree the loco on the box is not what is inside. look at the class 20, i bought a green one, onthe box was blue one.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter - I've heard their class 20 is superb, I must try one!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

10/10 I WILL BUY THIS NICE LEMON FOR MY TRAIN COLLECTION!!!!!!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

haha!! xD